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And Shion from Xenosaga.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
And Shion from Xenosaga.
KOS-MOS too oh ya Elly and Emerelda from Xenogears.
I'm a female gamer.. when I log into a female character! LOL
On a serious note.. what's wrong with being labeled as a female gamer.. it's just one more thing for us nerd guys to "ooh and aaaah" about.. Generally women don't find nerdy, indoors, nice guys of any use.. you always want the badass that can cut down a tree with his steroid induced muscles with a pinky chop, but doesn't give a flying damn about you.
But i'm here to tell ya sista this nerd can cut down a tree with a chain saw.. with no steroids.. FREAKEN AMAZING! lol... ok that was dumb.. i'm sorry..
On a new serious note.. does it matter? Not like it's degrading you.. men think more highly of girl gamers then guy gamers.. it actually makes you better then us just by not having balls and towing around a pair of breasts. What's wrong with that picture? Nada.
Women always wanting to be equal.. well here's a good situation where you're better then equal.. why ruin it? Silly you! Must be a lesbian -_-
Then when the attractive girl gamers pose in skimpy gamer outfits.. it totally pwns us.. that's an iwin button and it isn't fair.. so i claim.. NEEEERFFF! Bye bye kkthx DONE!!1111!oneone!1eleven
[ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos
[ Playing ] Everquest II
[ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan
You know what's ironic about all this? Her incessant whining about the importance of "girl gamers" undermines the point I think she is trying to make: that females are a relevant and growing portion of the game playing community. This is a point, by the way, that I think is valid.
However, the repeat posts on the same topic make her look like an obsessive attention whore just looking for validation and empowerment from outside of herself. An image which only breeds more contempt from a predominantly (some would say "overly") male-driven industry. She perpetuates the very image I think she would like to dispel.
She would be much more well served simply by being a fun and gracious player. And if anyone asks her, then respond:..."yes, I'm a girl."
Of course, let's not forget that we are still talking about video games. A hobby. Essentially, a complicated toy. There is nothing socially important about the things we are doing here. To make more of gaming than a simple pass-time is actually pathetic in itself.
A word of advice to the OP: No one cares that you are a "girl gamer" except you.
Zorvan, just to add some balance. I did not wish to discuss the Femmes Fatales guild but some of what I have read thus far in this thread is very unforgiving and harsh. The article was posted to further develop the concept of the female gamer. I did say the identity of "girl gamer" was contestable for various reasons. I accept these are controversial issues for some, and the posts on this topic have already demonstrated such. For others the issue is largely irrelevant. Again this has been pointed out by some contributors who are not in slightest bit interested on the impact of gender differences on MMO configurations. An interesting question is what makes the issue of female gamers relevant to some and not to others? The thread has begun to answer that question.
I had hoped the material from the very first research conference at UCLA (a fairly respectable institution) that had "girl gaming" as its specialist theme might provoke some interesting discussion. I apologize for posting on the same theme within a few days, but this was done to follow up immediately with a more research minded piece. It was not attention seeking behaviour. Neither is it "incessant whining", as I simply posted two new threads in close succession. It was also hoped to inform the mmorpg.com readership of some interesting developments in female gaming. I sincerely hoped that the "silent majority" who read these posts, but DO NOT find the need to comment every few hours (to ratchet up their number of posts) would find the material helpful.
The Victoria Secret's metaphor is hardly an accurate representation of what is on the Femmes Fatales myspace web site. In short, it is not very fair. In fact most of the images used on the myspace site are of femme gaming and associated imagery. However, we call ourselves "Femmes Fatales" for good role playing reasons and the myspace site conveys some aspects of the dangerous woman. If you read our philosophy you will understand the relationship between text and image, and the reason why a particular emphasis is developed.
Whether "gamer chicks" are hot or not seems to us to be immaterial. One thing I am certain of and that is that you are not referring to the Marshall McLuhan distinction between "hot" and "cold" media.
In fact, I think most female gamers would resent your label "gamer chicks" and regard it as derogatory. Indeed, we make the guild members photo gallery private to "friends only" on the myspace site precisely to avoid these kinds of less than flattering comments. However, our own guild members tend to be intelligent, educated, attractive females, but most importantly are committed gamers, who would like these kinds of issues debated and discussed especially in light of new gaming concepts and designs (I refer you here to the recent post on film-noir and its applicability to MMOs).
Finally, and to repeat myself, Femmes Fatales is not feminist, and neither am I. If anything we are anti-feminist. Again if you read the myspace site this is very clearly stated and reasons given.
thank you for your attention (sic)
The only thing that makes female gamers different from male gamers is that females are putting "female" in front of "gamer".
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
She uses big text.. i like that.. easy to read..
Anyway, WHAT? lol..
I didn't read the article, but then again I don't need to. What's the issue here? Girls being labelled as carebears? Huh? I've seen and hunted with more hardcore gamer girls then me as a gamer guy..
The only people labeling are the idiots, but then again 95% of the intraweb is filled with dumb people, including my self. So what do you expect? We thing boobs.. then lose all hope of maturity. ROFWAFFLES!11one
I guess from what i've read you're saying girls don't like "real" games, which is highly untrue. Hell my GF has played MMOs with me ever sense we met. She does focus more on appearance then gameplay as well as side crap like decorating a stupid house more then I do, but then again I don't think like a female. Scientificly you women use different parts of your brain for stimuli. Apparantly decorating a dumb house triggers it. For me, well it's blowing shit up. I don't see why game devs can't please both easily.. several games already do.
[ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos
[ Playing ] Everquest II
[ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan
Jeeze! I got into gaming with the hopes of retaining a small fragment of individuality after getting married. Alas, it was the only safe escape from the eternal damnation of wedlock.
So what does my wife do...
She gets into gaming as well!
Now she not only controlls my soul in real life, but my avatar's as well.
WoW has no fury like a woman scorned for a guild raid!
Zorvan, just to add some balance. I did not wish to discuss the Femmes Fatales guild but some of what I have read thus far in this thread is very unforgiving and harsh. The article was posted to further develop the concept of the female gamer. I did say the identity of "girl gamer" was contestable for various reasons. I accept these are controversial issues for some, and the posts on this topic have already demonstrated such. For others the issue is largely irrelevant. Again this has been pointed out by some contributors who are not in slightest bit interested on the impact of gender differences on MMO configurations. An interesting question is what makes the issue of female gamers relevant to some and not to others? The thread has begun to answer that question.
I had hoped the material from the very first research conference at UCLA (a fairly respectable institution) that had "girl gaming" as its specialist theme might provoke some interesting discussion. I apologize for posting on the same theme within a few days, but this was done to follow up immediately with a more research minded piece. It was not attention seeking behaviour. Neither is it "incessant whining", as I simply posted two new threads in close succession. It was also hoped to inform the mmorpg.com readership of some interesting developments in female gaming. I sincerely hoped that the "silent majority" who read these posts, but DO NOT find the need to comment every few hours (to ratchet up their number of posts) would find the material helpful.
The Victoria Secret's metaphor is hardly an accurate representation of what is on the Femmes Fatales myspace web site. In short, it is not very fair. In fact most of the images used on the myspace site are of femme gaming and associated imagery. However, we call ourselves "Femmes Fatales" for good role playing reasons and the myspace site conveys some aspects of the dangerous woman. If you read our philosophy you will understand the relationship between text and image, and the reason why a particular emphasis is developed.
Whether "gamer chicks" are hot or not seems to us to be immaterial. One thing I am certain of and that is that you are not referring to the Marshall McLuhan distinction between "hot" and "cold" media.
In fact, I think most female gamers would resent your label "gamer chicks" and regard it as derogatory. Indeed, we make the guild members photo gallery private to "friends only" on the myspace site precisely to avoid these kinds of less than flattering comments. However, our own guild members tend to be intelligent, educated, attractive females, but most importantly are committed gamers, who would like these kinds of issues debated and discussed especially in light of new gaming concepts and designs (I refer you here to the recent post on film-noir and its applicability to MMOs).
Finally, and to repeat myself, Femmes Fatales is not feminist, and neither am I. If anything we are anti-feminist. Again if you read the myspace site this is very clearly stated and reasons given.
thank you for your attention (sic)
Get lost please.
We don't need you or anyone else "representing" female gamers. There's simply no need. And I don't want to be associated with you in any way.
I'll talk / interact and cuss to guys just the same as I do to girls.
I don't need you differentiating between a girl and a guy, I'll make that decision for myself thanks.
You seem like a tool.
Zorvan, just to add some balance. I did not wish to discuss the Femmes Fatales guild but some of what I have read thus far in this thread is very unforgiving and harsh. The article was posted to further develop the concept of the female gamer. I did say the identity of "girl gamer" was contestable for various reasons. I accept these are controversial issues for some, and the posts on this topic have already demonstrated such. For others the issue is largely irrelevant. Again this has been pointed out by some contributors who are not in slightest bit interested on the impact of gender differences on MMO configurations. An interesting question is what makes the issue of female gamers relevant to some and not to others? The thread has begun to answer that question.
I had hoped the material from the very first research conference at UCLA (a fairly respectable institution) that had "girl gaming" as its specialist theme might provoke some interesting discussion. I apologize for posting on the same theme within a few days, but this was done to follow up immediately with a more research minded piece. It was not attention seeking behaviour. Neither is it "incessant whining", as I simply posted two new threads in close succession. It was also hoped to inform the mmorpg.com readership of some interesting developments in female gaming. I sincerely hoped that the "silent majority" who read these posts, but DO NOT find the need to comment every few hours (to ratchet up their number of posts) would find the material helpful.
The Victoria Secret's metaphor is hardly an accurate representation of what is on the Femmes Fatales myspace web site. In short, it is not very fair. In fact most of the images used on the myspace site are of femme gaming and associated imagery. However, we call ourselves "Femmes Fatales" for good role playing reasons and the myspace site conveys some aspects of the dangerous woman. If you read our philosophy you will understand the relationship between text and image, and the reason why a particular emphasis is developed.
Whether "gamer chicks" are hot or not seems to us to be immaterial. One thing I am certain of and that is that you are not referring to the Marshall McLuhan distinction between "hot" and "cold" media.
In fact, I think most female gamers would resent your label "gamer chicks" and regard it as derogatory. Indeed, we make the guild members photo gallery private to "friends only" on the myspace site precisely to avoid these kinds of less than flattering comments. However, our own guild members tend to be intelligent, educated, attractive females, but most importantly are committed gamers, who would like these kinds of issues debated and discussed especially in light of new gaming concepts and designs (I refer you here to the recent post on film-noir and its applicability to MMOs).
Finally, and to repeat myself, Femmes Fatales is not feminist, and neither am I. If anything we are anti-feminist. Again if you read the myspace site this is very clearly stated and reasons given.
thank you for your attention (sic)
Get lost please.We don't need you or anyone else "representing" female gamers. There's simply no need. And I don't want to be associated with you in any way.
In fact, I think most female gamers would resent your label "gamer chicks" and regard it as derogatory.
But labeling yourself a "gamer girl" instead of simply being a gamer, therefore committing self-segregation, is not derogatory?
I'm sorry, but the more you try to defend your position, the worse you make yourself look. The article you copied and pasted into your original post has made some good points. You, however, have done more of a disservice to your cause than you are apparently aware of at this moment.
Edit: By the way, you should tell all the women who game at www.gamerchicksrule.com/ how derogatory they are.
Zorvan, ....
Finally, and to repeat myself, Femmes Fatales is not feminist, and neither am I. If anything we are anti-feminist. Again if you read the myspace site this is very clearly stated and reasons given.
thank you for your attention (sic)
Get lost please.
We don't need you or anyone else "representing" female gamers. There's simply no need. And I don't want to be associated with you in any way.
I'll talk / interact and cuss to guys just the same as I do to girls.
I don't need you differentiating between a girl and a guy, I'll make that decision for myself thanks.
You seem like a tool.
pwned?
Futilez - Mature MMORPG Community
Correcting people since birth.
I am still at a loss how this topic can generate so many hits...and such a hugely inflated discussion. The more you reply to it, the more attention this person gets, you -are- aware of that, aren't y'all?
...
OOOOps...did it myself. ^_^
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Who cares... fame /= popularity
Futilez - Mature MMORPG Community
Correcting people since birth.
i want more post counts lol
The Girls and Games conference is listed as being from 2006. Kind of old news isn't it? If the op is trying to show where women and gaming is currently at, she should be quoting current conferences, showing prominent women in the games industry and what they have to say, etc.
The title of the post doesn't play out, where do you talk about the deadly women aspect?
Your instincts are good but you need to focus a bit, and be more up to date.
Cheers, Athela
AND you are right. I wondered about the deadly women too, but since I just scanned through the article I didn't dare to comment here
Yes, girls play video games.
we get it.
Zorvan, just to add some balance. I did not wish to discuss the Femmes Fatales guild but some of what I have read thus far in this thread is very unforgiving and harsh. The article was posted to further develop the concept of the female gamer. I did say the identity of "girl gamer" was contestable for various reasons. I accept these are controversial issues for some, and the posts on this topic have already demonstrated such. For others the issue is largely irrelevant. Again this has been pointed out by some contributors who are not in slightest bit interested on the impact of gender differences on MMO configurations. An interesting question is what makes the issue of female gamers relevant to some and not to others? The thread has begun to answer that question.
I had hoped the material from the very first research conference at UCLA (a fairly respectable institution) that had "girl gaming" as its specialist theme might provoke some interesting discussion. I apologize for posting on the same theme within a few days, but this was done to follow up immediately with a more research minded piece. It was not attention seeking behaviour. Neither is it "incessant whining", as I simply posted two new threads in close succession. It was also hoped to inform the mmorpg.com readership of some interesting developments in female gaming. I sincerely hoped that the "silent majority" who read these posts, but DO NOT find the need to comment every few hours (to ratchet up their number of posts) would find the material helpful.
The Victoria Secret's metaphor is hardly an accurate representation of what is on the Femmes Fatales myspace web site. In short, it is not very fair. In fact most of the images used on the myspace site are of femme gaming and associated imagery. However, we call ourselves "Femmes Fatales" for good role playing reasons and the myspace site conveys some aspects of the dangerous woman. If you read our philosophy you will understand the relationship between text and image, and the reason why a particular emphasis is developed.
Whether "gamer chicks" are hot or not seems to us to be immaterial. One thing I am certain of and that is that you are not referring to the Marshall McLuhan distinction between "hot" and "cold" media.
In fact, I think most female gamers would resent your label "gamer chicks" and regard it as derogatory. Indeed, we make the guild members photo gallery private to "friends only" on the myspace site precisely to avoid these kinds of less than flattering comments. However, our own guild members tend to be intelligent, educated, attractive females, but most importantly are committed gamers, who would like these kinds of issues debated and discussed especially in light of new gaming concepts and designs (I refer you here to the recent post on film-noir and its applicability to MMOs).
Finally, and to repeat myself, Femmes Fatales is not feminist, and neither am I. If anything we are anti-feminist. Again if you read the myspace site this is very clearly stated and reasons given.
thank you for your attention (sic)
Get lost please.
We don't need you or anyone else "representing" female gamers. There's simply no need. And I don't want to be associated with you in any way.
I'll talk / interact and cuss to guys just the same as I do to girls.
I don't need you differentiating between a girl and a guy, I'll make that decision for myself thanks.
You seem like a tool.
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Same I rarely tell people I play with anything about me including my gender. There is no point, they'll find out soon enough when we raid or do w/e and have to use TS or Vent. And I don't really see why the orginal post was needed?.... It was kinda embarrassing to read just because it's making a such a big deal that girls play. I'm treated the same as any other member of my guild. Since i'm just another gamer.
Zorvan, just to add some balance. I did not wish to discuss the Femmes Fatales guild but some of what I have read thus far in this thread is very unforgiving and harsh. The article was posted to further develop the concept of the female gamer. I did say the identity of "girl gamer" was contestable for various reasons. I accept these are controversial issues for some, and the posts on this topic have already demonstrated such. For others the issue is largely irrelevant. Again this has been pointed out by some contributors who are not in slightest bit interested on the impact of gender differences on MMO configurations. An interesting question is what makes the issue of female gamers relevant to some and not to others? The thread has begun to answer that question.
I had hoped the material from the very first research conference at UCLA (a fairly respectable institution) that had "girl gaming" as its specialist theme might provoke some interesting discussion. I apologize for posting on the same theme within a few days, but this was done to follow up immediately with a more research minded piece. It was not attention seeking behaviour. Neither is it "incessant whining", as I simply posted two new threads in close succession. It was also hoped to inform the mmorpg.com readership of some interesting developments in female gaming. I sincerely hoped that the "silent majority" who read these posts, but DO NOT find the need to comment every few hours (to ratchet up their number of posts) would find the material helpful.
The Victoria Secret's metaphor is hardly an accurate representation of what is on the Femmes Fatales myspace web site. In short, it is not very fair. In fact most of the images used on the myspace site are of femme gaming and associated imagery. However, we call ourselves "Femmes Fatales" for good role playing reasons and the myspace site conveys some aspects of the dangerous woman. If you read our philosophy you will understand the relationship between text and image, and the reason why a particular emphasis is developed.
Whether "gamer chicks" are hot or not seems to us to be immaterial. One thing I am certain of and that is that you are not referring to the Marshall McLuhan distinction between "hot" and "cold" media.
In fact, I think most female gamers would resent your label "gamer chicks" and regard it as derogatory. Indeed, we make the guild members photo gallery private to "friends only" on the myspace site precisely to avoid these kinds of less than flattering comments. However, our own guild members tend to be intelligent, educated, attractive females, but most importantly are committed gamers, who would like these kinds of issues debated and discussed especially in light of new gaming concepts and designs (I refer you here to the recent post on film-noir and its applicability to MMOs).
Finally, and to repeat myself, Femmes Fatales is not feminist, and neither am I. If anything we are anti-feminist. Again if you read the myspace site this is very clearly stated and reasons given.
thank you for your attention (sic)
All I heard was "WOOT IM SPECIAL AND COOL CUS IM USING BIG WORDS LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!"
I could go on about how we don't care if your a female and blah blah blah, but I think the other 50 posters have already given you enough of it.
Same I rarely tell people I play with anything about me including my gender. There is no point, they'll find out soon enough when we raid or do w/e and have to use TS or Vent. And I don't really see why the orginal post was needed?.... It was kinda embarrassing to read just because it's making a such a big deal that girls play. I'm treated the same as any other member of my guild. Since i'm just another gamer.
The OP can learn alot from you and your attitude as a gamer amy_jo.
Honestly, threads like this one absolutely disgust me--and I'm a girl! Those of you who refer to yourself as "female gamers" need a reality check. Don't put a label on yourself; we're all "gamers" here, so get over yourselves. This thread only serves to create a rift between males and females from my perspective. I find the OP offensive. I always treat people the same regardless of their gender, and I expect no less in return.
And what the hell was that about women wanting "pink dragons" in a game? Get real... More guys like cute little pink things than I do. Don't stereotype women, OKAY? We're not all attention whores who think we should be treated differently because we're females. I, for one, typically play male characters to prove my point.
Also, if this is the same Keridwan I remember from the DnL forums, you really never give up, do you? You were spewing the same crap back then, too.