If the Devs and producers gave a damn about the crafting and player economy aspect of the game, they'd have done something about it a long time ago, not 2+ years on. There isn't anyone left who is a pure crafter. There were a hell of a lot of them pre CU. Nothing has been done to address the supremecy of loot/reward weapons over craftables. The fact that crafted armor is better than looted seems more of an accident than an intent, IMHO, they just forgot to nerf the crafters and crank up the loot drops. The answer to everything the playerbase wants, even most of the shrunken mess left, is that they want it the way it was, not the way it is. Even today. Today i will not comment but i have returned last year for 8 month PURE CRAFTER, together with a few other people i met, yes yes hold your breath it wasn't pre-cu "others", but still crafting is not that much changed. Once you finaly come to terms and understand it the community that has changed, that many simply do not have the patients or time to devote to be a pure crafter is what makes it for seem as if crafting isn't usefull, those of use that have put in some effort at return DO KNOW that crafting is still very usefull, only those who have not played the trader profession can say crafting isn't usefull, others CAN NOT in no way, yes i agree it would be cool to have seen not such a big swift in how people play the game, but it happens and it will continue to happen. Only prof at my return that wasn't as usefull it was ,was tailoring which only become usefull at master lvl, all the other trade profession i was making profit from lvl 1>max.
3 short statements
1. a) You pretty much verify Trader isn't the class for targeted audience
b) pure crafter isn't very popular and cause of the bad game design few player try it out. PRE CU you could mix some combat skills in and here you go with the fun (genial designed)
2. Not surprisingly crafting can be useful and fun, it is a PRE CU invention ! Since then developers tried to make crafter's life as harder as they could with the CU and NGE patches, maybe they realize that as mistake now. Now because of the wrong design decisions still having a negative effect on crafting it isn't nowhere where it used to be.
3. It still requires a Veteran who points at the beauty of crafting . Wish you fun.
Very true, but do you also see that i play how i want to play, maybe not the target SOE is aiming for but i don't give a shit aslong when i returned I had fun is the only thing that matters as i'm the one who pay'd my sub, if SOE or anyone else would pay my sub maybe i would probebly addept to the more target type of player, but fact remains i aint a sheep that needs to follow what most do, also a fact i aint WOWEFIDE so thats also a big difference in how i play these type of games, tbh i have yet to see a MMO or MMORPG that is similair to WOW where i see statement at almost EVERY SINGLE MMO/rpg outthere with people pretending it's a WOW clone if one is WOWEFIDE then WOW seems to be everywhere. Just how i played and like'd pre-cu i have not changed that much in my playstyle, only my playtime has changed ALLOT! And yes like Soi. said the sandbox playworld is still there, but like i said many MANY times the community isn't there in the way we played the game ( me still paying this genre not SWG atm) , and hte community that is there is indeed very different and for a large part impatient compared to use who have been ultimate patients with pre-cu. Also let me be straight i wished hte game had more to offer, similair to what pre-cu was but it was not happinging and probelby never will happen again....unfortunaly ...mostly for those looking for a similair experiance.
Jenus1, you simply just were NOT around for the history of SWG. The only thing you have experienced is the NGE for this game, and honeslty I'm sorry about that. The game did suffer a catastrophic hit in the population when the NGE came about. Anyone that refuses has some coke bottle glasses with roses painted on them. Some of the veterans that still play SWG cannot deny that. My Sister that still plays SWG who I introduced in the last months of the Pre-CU days can't deny that. Us veterans who left but were around before the NGE and / or the CU were around for it. Let me exclude the contrasts in gameplay, the bugs, etc. If you can imagine, with the current population of the NGE that you see in the game... if you can imagine coming across x4 to x6 the amount of players in game to play with than the NGE, where everyone really needed each other. Crafters needed us adventurers. Adventurers needed the Crafters. Everyone could draw benefits from Entertainers. It was all a circle that everyone played a role. And lots of players were involved in it. But it's all gone. The interdependence is gone, but the population is irrevocably, GONE.
Bravo , well said!
You say it with such certainty and yet you can't provide to proof, certainty without proof or facts is only for fools.
Please, if theres any proof i am missing, please give it to me.
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Missing proof? It's already there in SWG. The lack of players is one of the largest, single piece of proof there is.
The lack of crafters is another sign, especially since you don't really need crafters in the NGE now. Just do some quests and loot to get the ONLY essentials of the game: Armor & Weapons.
Better yet, I have a challenge for you. Go over the Official SWG Forums, specifically the Gameplay Forum (it's the busiest there), start a thread and ask about how many players there used to be before the NGE. Pay heed to the repliers with registration dates from 2003 to 2005. Yes, some of them may have been E-bay players (bought a veteran's account over E-bay), but there are still some old school vets there.
Again, ask how many player numbers from the ones who were there a long time. Have them compare the population size BEFORE the NGE and AFTER the NGE.
Despite you NEVER having even played before 2007 and us having been on SWG for years, you will not believe us. So, go over back to the safe haven and ask.
By all means, link that thread to here so we can follow it... if SOE doesn't delete it, which I imagine they will given enough time... but it will be an interesting effort.
Who knows? They might suspend your forum login for mistaking you to be one of us disgruntled vets!
EDIT TO ADD: Don't ask for specific numbers. You'll never get that. Ask something along the lines of how much of a crowd there is THEN and NOW. Or put it bluntly, was there more people playing before the NGE or after.
It feels weird quoting myself, but anyways...
You took on the challenge Jenus1? I know you're around here. If you can't possibly believe the experience of us disgruntled vets, ask the few who are still over at SWG.
/whistleinnocently
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
Taking the challenge yet, Jenus1? Doubts about our facts about the drastic loss of player population after the NGE?
/stillwhistleinnocently
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
Taking the challenge yet, Jenus1? Doubts about our facts about the drastic loss of player population after the NGE? /stillwhistleinnocently
What's left to challenge in SWG? Honestly, that's like bashing the bible for inconsistency.
People will believe what they want because it's their right to do so, even if you tell them it's possible to disprove or already has been.
It's quite obvious that the NGE left a nasty one and scared away most of the subscribers due to the smell alone, but some others of a different kind were attracted to it. Go figure, it's their pile of <Mod Edit> now.
Originally posted by Plasuma!! What's left to challenge in SWG? Honestly, that's like bashing the bible for inconsistency. People will believe what they want because it's their right to do so, even if you tell them it's possible to disprove or already has been. It's quite obvious that the NGE left a nasty one and scared away most of the subscribers due to the smell alone, but some others of a different kind were attracted to it. Go figure, it's their pile of <Mod Edit> now.
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3 short statements
1. a) You pretty much verify Trader isn't the class for targeted audience
b) pure crafter isn't very popular and cause of the bad game design few player try it out. PRE CU you could mix some combat skills in and here you go with the fun (genial designed)
2. Not surprisingly crafting can be useful and fun, it is a PRE CU invention ! Since then developers tried to make crafter's life as harder as they could with the CU and NGE patches, maybe they realize that as mistake now. Now because of the wrong design decisions still having a negative effect on crafting it isn't nowhere where it used to be.
3. It still requires a Veteran who points at the beauty of crafting . Wish you fun.
Very true, but do you also see that i play how i want to play, maybe not the target SOE is aiming for but i don't give a shit aslong when i returned I had fun is the only thing that matters as i'm the one who pay'd my sub, if SOE or anyone else would pay my sub maybe i would probebly addept to the more target type of player, but fact remains i aint a sheep that needs to follow what most do, also a fact i aint WOWEFIDE so thats also a big difference in how i play these type of games, tbh i have yet to see a MMO or MMORPG that is similair to WOW where i see statement at almost EVERY SINGLE MMO/rpg outthere with people pretending it's a WOW clone if one is WOWEFIDE then WOW seems to be everywhere. Just how i played and like'd pre-cu i have not changed that much in my playstyle, only my playtime has changed ALLOT! And yes like Soi. said the sandbox playworld is still there, but like i said many MANY times the community isn't there in the way we played the game ( me still paying this genre not SWG atm) , and hte community that is there is indeed very different and for a large part impatient compared to use who have been ultimate patients with pre-cu. Also let me be straight i wished hte game had more to offer, similair to what pre-cu was but it was not happinging and probelby never will happen again....unfortunaly ...mostly for those looking for a similair experiance.
Bravo , well said!
You say it with such certainty and yet you can't provide to proof, certainty without proof or facts is only for fools.
Please, if theres any proof i am missing, please give it to me.
{Mod Edit}
Missing proof? It's already there in SWG. The lack of players is one of the largest, single piece of proof there is.
The lack of crafters is another sign, especially since you don't really need crafters in the NGE now. Just do some quests and loot to get the ONLY essentials of the game: Armor & Weapons.
Better yet, I have a challenge for you. Go over the Official SWG Forums, specifically the Gameplay Forum (it's the busiest there), start a thread and ask about how many players there used to be before the NGE. Pay heed to the repliers with registration dates from 2003 to 2005. Yes, some of them may have been E-bay players (bought a veteran's account over E-bay), but there are still some old school vets there.
Again, ask how many player numbers from the ones who were there a long time. Have them compare the population size BEFORE the NGE and AFTER the NGE.
Despite you NEVER having even played before 2007 and us having been on SWG for years, you will not believe us. So, go over back to the safe haven and ask.
By all means, link that thread to here so we can follow it... if SOE doesn't delete it, which I imagine they will given enough time... but it will be an interesting effort.
Who knows? They might suspend your forum login for mistaking you to be one of us disgruntled vets!
EDIT TO ADD: Don't ask for specific numbers. You'll never get that. Ask something along the lines of how much of a crowd there is THEN and NOW. Or put it bluntly, was there more people playing before the NGE or after.
It feels weird quoting myself, but anyways...
You took on the challenge Jenus1? I know you're around here. If you can't possibly believe the experience of us disgruntled vets, ask the few who are still over at SWG.
/whistleinnocently
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
Taking the challenge yet, Jenus1? Doubts about our facts about the drastic loss of player population after the NGE?
/stillwhistleinnocently
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
What's left to challenge in SWG? Honestly, that's like bashing the bible for inconsistency.
People will believe what they want because it's their right to do so, even if you tell them it's possible to disprove or already has been.
It's quite obvious that the NGE left a nasty one and scared away most of the subscribers due to the smell alone, but some others of a different kind were attracted to it. Go figure, it's their pile of <Mod Edit> now.
^^ What he said ^^