I asked you what motivates you time after time returing to the DF forums. You failed to do so. Now, you have made your point, you think DF is vaporware. Fine, the horse is dead, time to move on. Is your need to be right at all cost so great ? Isn't it better to leave us fools and fanbois to our mindless worship alone?
You cannot change our minds no matter what!
So move on already.
Now, let me tell you one reason I don't thing DF is going to be VW.
10+ norwegians does not move to another country because they wants to do fraud or scam someone of their cash. It doesn't happen. Let me tell you why, Norway is a great country to live in. 5+ week vacations, free healthcare and one of the most family friendly workenvironments in the word. Norway frequenty top UN's "Best country to live in". Even criminals rather spend their times in norwegian jails than in their own country. Now, why trade all that away, just to scam you ?
Aventurine wants to make a game we all wants to play. Every vaporware cry is disresepectful to the effort the devs that puts all their hopes, dreams, talent into. These guys have a dream and they are following it. So they are putting their energy into actually creating the game, rather than holding the potential customers hands all the time. Ever thought they have so much respect for ther customers that they would not even dream to show them an unfinished product ?
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
I asked you what motivates you time after time returing to the DF forums. You failed to do so. Now, you have made your point, you think DF is vaporware. Fine, the horse is dead, time to move on. Is your need to be right at all cost so great ? Isn't it better to leave us fools and fanbois to our mindless worship alone? You cannot change our minds no matter what! So move on already.
I ask you what motivates you year after year to make posts about how amazing darkfall is going to be on these forums and others with absolute zero evidence to back up these cliams. Now, you have made your point, you think DF is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Fine, the horse is dead, time to move on. Is your need to be right at all cost so great? Isn't it better to leave us fools and non-believers alone?
I asked you what motivates you time after time returing to the DF forums. You failed to do so. Now, you have made your point, you think DF is vaporware. Fine, the horse is dead, time to move on. Is your need to be right at all cost so great ? Isn't it better to leave us fools and fanbois to our mindless worship alone? You cannot change our minds no matter what! So move on already.
I ask you what motivates you year after year to make posts about how amazing darkfall is going to be on these forums and others with absolute zero evidence to back up these cliams. Now, you have made your point, you think DF is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Fine, the horse is dead, time to move on. Is your need to be right at all cost so great? Isn't it better to leave us fools and non-believers alone?
You cannot change our minds no matter what!
So move on already.
See how that works? Thanks for reading.
I'm very sorry but it didn't work. It had a great potential for being funny but you failed. Sorry
And please link me the post I actually said those things. Please...
I am here to support any sandbox, skillbased games out there. Period. I have never stated this game is the great. I don't know that because I haven't tested it. However based on what I read and hear, there are actually some 30+ people in Greece that is develpoing a game they call Darkfall.
Will they actually pull it off ? I don't know. The only one here in a hurry seems to be the trolls.
Why is there no beta ? Why is the journal 3 hours late ? Why, why ? Bohooooo *sniffle*
I want to play this type of game, therefore I am here. You don't want to play this game, fine. Why are you here then ?
I will not pay for any game, I haven't tested my self. That includes DF.
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
Why do I come here and read these forums? Because I have been following Darkfall since BEFORE it was officially announced. Because I am one of the most die-hard lovers of sandbox style MMORPG's and even helped develop a few sandbox style MU*'s back in my programming days. Perhaps because I have a interest in this game because I'd like to actually play it?
Why do I respond to threads?
Because if a thread interests me I will respond. If someone argues or debates a point I make I will make a counterpoint or arguement. Why must I always be right? I've never said that I must. I take any discussion into consideration in all my views. When given facts and good information to think about I've been known to change my views on things. But in the case of Darkfall? The only proof at this point that would suffice is this game going into active beta. I don't even have to be invited. But they need to put this sucker in beta before most of us will believe it's ever coming out at this point.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Why do I come here and read these forums? Because I have been following Darkfall since BEFORE it was officially announced. Because I am one of the most die-hard lovers of sandbox style MMORPG's and even helped develop a few sandbox style MU*'s back in my programming days. Perhaps because I have a interest in this game because I'd like to actually play it? Why do I respond to threads? Because if a thread interests me I will respond. If someone argues or debates a point I make I will make a counterpoint or arguement. Why must I always be right? I've never said that I must. I take any discussion into consideration in all my views. When given facts and good information to think about I've been known to change my views on things. But in the case of Darkfall? The only proof at this point that would suffice is this game going into active beta. I don't even have to be invited. But they need to put this sucker in beta before most of us will believe it's ever coming out at this point.
So how you support sandbox games by crying VW all the time ? AoC has the same "chacteristics" ie long delelopment time and many delays. Are you crying VW in those forums as well ?
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
Why do I come here and read these forums? Because I have been following Darkfall since BEFORE it was officially announced. Because I am one of the most die-hard lovers of sandbox style MMORPG's and even helped develop a few sandbox style MU*'s back in my programming days. Perhaps because I have a interest in this game because I'd like to actually play it? Why do I respond to threads? Because if a thread interests me I will respond. If someone argues or debates a point I make I will make a counterpoint or arguement. Why must I always be right? I've never said that I must. I take any discussion into consideration in all my views. When given facts and good information to think about I've been known to change my views on things. But in the case of Darkfall? The only proof at this point that would suffice is this game going into active beta. I don't even have to be invited. But they need to put this sucker in beta before most of us will believe it's ever coming out at this point.
So how you support sandbox games by crying VW all the time ? AoC has the same "chacteristics" ie long delelopment time and many delays. Are you crying VW in those forums as well ?
As I 'm not following VW at all, since it's obviously NOT a sandbox game, why would I be posting there? I don't even read there.
As far as supporting sandbox games? I play UO, EVE and played SWG. I have supported, at least initially, every sandbox game that's come out. I even tried Ryzom (though I really don't feel that one is a sandbox). I have beta tested every single one of them as well and given feedback, etc. When Darkfall first was announced I was a huge supporter of the game. Still am really but have lost 'faith' in adventurine. That's all. I just don't think they'll ever release it.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
There is no Darkfall. There is no Darkfall. There is no Darkfall...
Its amazing what the anticipation of a game with certain (very nice I must admit) characteristics can do to you. It can make you see a game where there is none. It can make you think that a project going on for 6+ years that has not produced a single screenshot (ok maybe a couple of screens) or video or interview or something is launching soon. It can make you believe that a Greek(!!!) company with 10 developers, no producer and absolutely no presence (not even a web site) can produce the game world you've been waiting for for the whole of your life.
Get real guys. Especially those who spend their time in their forum, thinking that they are "following Darkfall". You are going to regret it. Greece is a haven of corruption, and it is obvious that Aventurine is doing shady business here.
Just go 3 forums up. You'll find Age of Conan there. These are serious Norwegian game developers.
Bureaucracy, corruption hurt business in Greece: report
Bureaucracy, corruption and high taxation have kept investors away from Greece and undermined the country's competitiveness, according to a World Bank report.
And another report by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) shows that foreign direct investment in Greece dropped 71 percent to 600 million U.S. dollars last year, from 2.1 billion dollars in 2004, taking Greece to last place among the 30 OECD member states, the English-language daily Kathimerini reported on Monday.
Greece is also next to last among the old 15 European Union (EU) members regarding competitiveness, with only Italy being worse.
Several factors, including high taxes and relatively high wages, have contributed to high business costs in Greece. However, most of the costs could be attributed to bureaucracy and corruption.
According to the World Bank report, 56 percent of the surveyed business people expect to pay a bribe to tax officials to expedite procedures or avoid a more thorough inspection of their books.
Trade unions have signed a collective agreement with the public service units earlier this year following several national strikes, under which there will be an 11.5-percent increase in salaries in the upcoming year.
Nikos Daskalaki, a lawyer for corporation services, told Xinhua that the salary increase, which means a higher labor cost, will undoubtedly hurt Greece's economic competitiveness.
The World Bank survey also shows that enterprises with a presence in Greece suffer more from cuts in electricity and water supplies, twice the average in OECD countries. They also spend twice as much as in other OECD countries on security measures.
Meanwhile, the difficulty in starting a business in Greece also hits investment. The Greek government hopes that the new investment law, approved by parliament last year, would attract more foreign investment.
However, business consultant Rena Kitsopanidou who took part in drafting the law told Xinhua that under the new investment law, foreigners from a non-EU country will have more difficulty getting a residence and work permit, some procedures will be simplified.
There is no Darkfall. There is no Darkfall. There is no Darkfall... Its amazing what the anticipation of a game with certain (very nice I must admit) characteristics can do to you. It can make you see a game where there is none. It can make you think that a project going on for 6+ years that has not produced a single screenshot (ok maybe a couple of screens) or video or interview or something is launching soon. It can make you believe that a Greek(!!!) company with 10 developers, no producer and absolutely no presence (not even a web site) can produce the game world you've been waiting for for the whole of your life.
Get real guys. Especially those who spend their time in their forum, thinking that they are "following Darkfall". You are going to regret it. Greece is a haven of corruption, and it is obvious that Aventurine is doing shady business here.
Just go 3 forums up. You'll find Age of Conan there. These are serious Norwegian game developers.
Yeah, AoC have been in development for 4.5 years. They have 200+ people working on it, and its class/level based. DF have 30+ people working, and a much more complex gameplay.......do the math.
Im still amazed some people believe they could make DF themselves in less time it would take a small indie developer in greece to do it.
There is no Darkfall. There is no Darkfall. There is no Darkfall... Its amazing what the anticipation of a game with certain (very nice I must admit) characteristics can do to you. It can make you see a game where there is none. It can make you think that a project going on for 6+ years that has not produced a single screenshot (ok maybe a couple of screens) or video or interview or something is launching soon. It can make you believe that a Greek(!!!) company with 10 developers, no producer and absolutely no presence (not even a web site) can produce the game world you've been waiting for for the whole of your life.
Get real guys. Especially those who spend their time in their forum, thinking that they are "following Darkfall". You are going to regret it. Greece is a haven of corruption, and it is obvious that Aventurine is doing shady business here.
Just go 3 forums up. You'll find Age of Conan there. These are serious Norwegian game developers.
Yeah, AoC have been in development for 4.5 years. They have 200+ people working on it, and its class/level based. DF have 30+ people working, and a much more complex gameplay.......do the math.
Im still amazed some people believe they could make DF themselves in less time it would take a small indie developer in greece to do it.
Get real, things take time!
I haven't followed AOC at all but I find your figure of 200 developers a bit hard to swallow.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Not for a holiday, but instead to visit Oslo and the rather impressively sized offices of Funcom. The company itself takes up five floors out of the six in the unassuming Norwegian building and houses their roughly 300 employees.
MMORPGs are major undertakings, practically like major motion pictures. You need *at least* $30 million just to get your foot int he door. And be prepared to shell out even more.
These numbers are actually one of the major hurdles Darkfall has going against it. MMORPGs are so big that the question is how much can an indie company do, especially if they are trying to out-design games that have 100s of people working on them?
I'll start believing more of DF's hype when they start presenting more solid evidence. Anyone who follows MMORPGs should know that hype is meaningless. Look at 2007 and see all the games that failed/collapsed. The community shouldn't trust a single word out of a Developer's mouth unless it can be backed up with videos, outside reviews and most importantly, firsthand accounts from the players themselves.
For start let me say I really really wish DarkFall will pull it out with all the complexity and features.
But as someone said: features/complexity sounds great on paper but so does time travel.
Dont get me wrong Iam not here to bash the game and all this negativity does not help at all, why dont you leave the players to be hyped and happy about it. Its quite stupid to bash something you did no one played.
I agree if game is suck at release and you tried it you can "warn" players from posts made by "fain bois", but there is no need to do it now.
Personally my days of being hyped about any MMO died with several latest game and I said to my self never never again ...
Horizons, Dark and Light and the latest Vanguard ...but after Dark and Light I was never really hyped about anything as I was before. ( Vanguard was just the last nail in the coffin )
Its really not worth to be "overhyped" as it can only lead into disapointment regardless of game state after release, couse its a fact promised features will NEVER 100% match at release as things get changed during development either couse they find out its stupid, boring or will never work as they intended so they get scraped or changed.
Let all hope we will get at least 3 good and decent games in 2008 : Age of Conan, Warhammer Online and Darkfall.
p.s. Huge fonds and dev teams does not mean much: Vanguard is really good proof for it.
Comments
I asked you what motivates you time after time returing to the DF forums. You failed to do so. Now, you have made your point, you think DF is vaporware. Fine, the horse is dead, time to move on. Is your need to be right at all cost so great ? Isn't it better to leave us fools and fanbois to our mindless worship alone?
You cannot change our minds no matter what!
So move on already.
Now, let me tell you one reason I don't thing DF is going to be VW.
10+ norwegians does not move to another country because they wants to do fraud or scam someone of their cash. It doesn't happen. Let me tell you why, Norway is a great country to live in. 5+ week vacations, free healthcare and one of the most family friendly workenvironments in the word. Norway frequenty top UN's "Best country to live in". Even criminals rather spend their times in norwegian jails than in their own country. Now, why trade all that away, just to scam you ?
Aventurine wants to make a game we all wants to play. Every vaporware cry is disresepectful to the effort the devs that puts all their hopes, dreams, talent into. These guys have a dream and they are following it. So they are putting their energy into actually creating the game, rather than holding the potential customers hands all the time. Ever thought they have so much respect for ther customers that they would not even dream to show them an unfinished product ?
---
And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
I ask you what motivates you year after year to make posts about how amazing darkfall is going to be on these forums and others with absolute zero evidence to back up these cliams. Now, you have made your point, you think DF is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Fine, the horse is dead, time to move on. Is your need to be right at all cost so great? Isn't it better to leave us fools and non-believers alone?
You cannot change our minds no matter what!
So move on already.
See how that works? Thanks for reading.
I ask you what motivates you year after year to make posts about how amazing darkfall is going to be on these forums and others with absolute zero evidence to back up these cliams. Now, you have made your point, you think DF is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Fine, the horse is dead, time to move on. Is your need to be right at all cost so great? Isn't it better to leave us fools and non-believers alone?
You cannot change our minds no matter what!
So move on already.
See how that works? Thanks for reading.
I'm very sorry but it didn't work. It had a great potential for being funny but you failed. Sorry
And please link me the post I actually said those things. Please...
I am here to support any sandbox, skillbased games out there. Period. I have never stated this game is the great. I don't know that because I haven't tested it. However based on what I read and hear, there are actually some 30+ people in Greece that is develpoing a game they call Darkfall.
Will they actually pull it off ? I don't know. The only one here in a hurry seems to be the trolls.
Why is there no beta ? Why is the journal 3 hours late ? Why, why ? Bohooooo *sniffle*
I want to play this type of game, therefore I am here. You don't want to play this game, fine. Why are you here then ?
I will not pay for any game, I haven't tested my self. That includes DF.
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
For the entertainment value.
Why do I come here and read these forums? Because I have been following Darkfall since BEFORE it was officially announced. Because I am one of the most die-hard lovers of sandbox style MMORPG's and even helped develop a few sandbox style MU*'s back in my programming days. Perhaps because I have a interest in this game because I'd like to actually play it?
Why do I respond to threads?
Because if a thread interests me I will respond. If someone argues or debates a point I make I will make a counterpoint or arguement. Why must I always be right? I've never said that I must. I take any discussion into consideration in all my views. When given facts and good information to think about I've been known to change my views on things. But in the case of Darkfall? The only proof at this point that would suffice is this game going into active beta. I don't even have to be invited. But they need to put this sucker in beta before most of us will believe it's ever coming out at this point.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
So how you support sandbox games by crying VW all the time ? AoC has the same "chacteristics" ie long delelopment time and many delays. Are you crying VW in those forums as well ?
---
And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
So how you support sandbox games by crying VW all the time ? AoC has the same "chacteristics" ie long delelopment time and many delays. Are you crying VW in those forums as well ?
As I 'm not following VW at all, since it's obviously NOT a sandbox game, why would I be posting there? I don't even read there.
As far as supporting sandbox games? I play UO, EVE and played SWG. I have supported, at least initially, every sandbox game that's come out. I even tried Ryzom (though I really don't feel that one is a sandbox). I have beta tested every single one of them as well and given feedback, etc. When Darkfall first was announced I was a huge supporter of the game. Still am really but have lost 'faith' in adventurine. That's all. I just don't think they'll ever release it.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
There is no Darkfall. There is no Darkfall. There is no Darkfall...
Its amazing what the anticipation of a game with certain (very nice I must admit) characteristics can do to you. It can make you see a game where there is none. It can make you think that a project going on for 6+ years that has not produced a single screenshot (ok maybe a couple of screens) or video or interview or something is launching soon. It can make you believe that a Greek(!!!) company with 10 developers, no producer and absolutely no presence (not even a web site) can produce the game world you've been waiting for for the whole of your life.
Get real guys. Especially those who spend their time in their forum, thinking that they are "following Darkfall". You are going to regret it. Greece is a haven of corruption, and it is obvious that Aventurine is doing shady business here.
Just go 3 forums up. You'll find Age of Conan there. These are serious Norwegian game developers.
Bureaucracy, corruption hurt business in Greece: report
Bureaucracy, corruption and high taxation have kept investors away from Greece and undermined the country's competitiveness, according to a World Bank report.
And another report by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) shows that foreign direct investment in Greece dropped 71 percent to 600 million U.S. dollars last year, from 2.1 billion dollars in 2004, taking Greece to last place among the 30 OECD member states, the English-language daily Kathimerini reported on Monday.
Greece is also next to last among the old 15 European Union (EU) members regarding competitiveness, with only Italy being worse.
Several factors, including high taxes and relatively high wages, have contributed to high business costs in Greece. However, most of the costs could be attributed to bureaucracy and corruption.
According to the World Bank report, 56 percent of the surveyed business people expect to pay a bribe to tax officials to expedite procedures or avoid a more thorough inspection of their books.
Trade unions have signed a collective agreement with the public service units earlier this year following several national strikes, under which there will be an 11.5-percent increase in salaries in the upcoming year.
Nikos Daskalaki, a lawyer for corporation services, told Xinhua that the salary increase, which means a higher labor cost, will undoubtedly hurt Greece's economic competitiveness.
The World Bank survey also shows that enterprises with a presence in Greece suffer more from cuts in electricity and water supplies, twice the average in OECD countries. They also spend twice as much as in other OECD countries on security measures.
Meanwhile, the difficulty in starting a business in Greece also hits investment. The Greek government hopes that the new investment law, approved by parliament last year, would attract more foreign investment.
However, business consultant Rena Kitsopanidou who took part in drafting the law told Xinhua that under the new investment law, foreigners from a non-EU country will have more difficulty getting a residence and work permit, some procedures will be simplified.
Source: Xinhua
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200607/03/eng20060703_279572.html
Yeah, AoC have been in development for 4.5 years. They have 200+ people working on it, and its class/level based. DF have 30+ people working, and a much more complex gameplay.......do the math.
Im still amazed some people believe they could make DF themselves in less time it would take a small indie developer in greece to do it.
Get real, things take time!
Yeah, AoC have been in development for 4.5 years. They have 200+ people working on it, and its class/level based. DF have 30+ people working, and a much more complex gameplay.......do the math.
Im still amazed some people believe they could make DF themselves in less time it would take a small indie developer in greece to do it.
Get real, things take time!
I haven't followed AOC at all but I find your figure of 200 developers a bit hard to swallow.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/gameId/191/setView/features/loadFeature/1708
Not for a holiday, but instead to visit Oslo and the rather impressively sized offices of Funcom. The company itself takes up five floors out of the six in the unassuming Norwegian building and houses their roughly 300 employees.
MMORPGs are major undertakings, practically like major motion pictures. You need *at least* $30 million just to get your foot int he door. And be prepared to shell out even more.
These numbers are actually one of the major hurdles Darkfall has going against it. MMORPGs are so big that the question is how much can an indie company do, especially if they are trying to out-design games that have 100s of people working on them?
I'll start believing more of DF's hype when they start presenting more solid evidence. Anyone who follows MMORPGs should know that hype is meaningless. Look at 2007 and see all the games that failed/collapsed. The community shouldn't trust a single word out of a Developer's mouth unless it can be backed up with videos, outside reviews and most importantly, firsthand accounts from the players themselves.
For start let me say I really really wish DarkFall will pull it out with all the complexity and features.
But as someone said: features/complexity sounds great on paper but so does time travel.
Dont get me wrong Iam not here to bash the game and all this negativity does not help at all, why dont you leave the players to be hyped and happy about it. Its quite stupid to bash something you did no one played.
I agree if game is suck at release and you tried it you can "warn" players from posts made by "fain bois", but there is no need to do it now.
Personally my days of being hyped about any MMO died with several latest game and I said to my self never never again ...
Horizons, Dark and Light and the latest Vanguard ...but after Dark and Light I was never really hyped about anything as I was before. ( Vanguard was just the last nail in the coffin )
Its really not worth to be "overhyped" as it can only lead into disapointment regardless of game state after release, couse its a fact promised features will NEVER 100% match at release as things get changed during development either couse they find out its stupid, boring or will never work as they intended so they get scraped or changed.
Let all hope we will get at least 3 good and decent games in 2008 : Age of Conan, Warhammer Online and Darkfall.
p.s. Huge fonds and dev teams does not mean much: Vanguard is really good proof for it.
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