Warhammer Online = World of Warcraft!

Hrothmund

Originally posted by markoraos


 
Originally posted by CCDeathCC











And there you have it. While both games share in their similarities they differ greatly as you look beyond the superficial. The reason I am so excited about Warhammer Online is because it revives the sense of purpose in gameplay that I have not felt since DAOC. Everything I do is contributing to the glory of my realm not just in theory but in practice. My actions, regardless of how small even at level 5 will impact the actions of the level 40's sieging cities. The sense of pride and honor in your accomplishments is further strengthened by the tangible goals and achievements at every turn.

 

 

To OP:

Look mate, I have no idea why the troll headline since your conclusion is that WAR obviously IS NOT WoW.

 

I'm really confused at your motives there. You've obviously given it more time and effort than your average troll post so.. what's the score?

 

If you had actually bothered to read and try to understand the OP's line of thought, you would have realised that the argument you raised was based solely on the misleading title and not the post itself, which is very well put together and a good analysis of WAR and how it compares to other MMOs.

Kedoremos

Originally posted by markoraos


 
Originally posted by CCDeathCC











And there you have it. While both games share in their similarities they differ greatly as you look beyond the superficial. The reason I am so excited about Warhammer Online is because it revives the sense of purpose in gameplay that I have not felt since DAOC. Everything I do is contributing to the glory of my realm not just in theory but in practice. My actions, regardless of how small even at level 5 will impact the actions of the level 40's sieging cities. The sense of pride and honor in your accomplishments is further strengthened by the tangible goals and achievements at every turn.

 

 

To OP:

Look mate, I have no idea why the troll headline since your conclusion is that WAR obviously IS NOT WoW.

 

I'm really confused at your motives there. You've obviously given it more time and effort than your average troll post so.. what's the score?

 

You'd know the score if you read his post.

Mrbloodworth

 

 

 

 

 

 

kadepsyson

I have to agree with SaintViktor here.  An MMO based solely on PVP just doesn't have the lasting appeal of one with a mix of decent PVE and PVP.  I think this, among other reasons, is a good reason why Warhammer will not take a chunk out of the world of warcraft userbase.  People will try it, get bored, and quit.

kadepsyson

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Learn to read beyond the title of forum posts.

Oversoul87

This is an interview I found on another site while trying to find the news piece on talks between GW and Blizzard on Warhammer IP. The interview goes over some of the comparisons of Warhammer IP, and what was later created and became Warcraft later. Will continue my search for the other news bit, but only finding old "rumor" pages, and broken news links.

Part 1: pc.gamezone.com/news/04_17_06_11_29AM.htm

Part 2:pc.gamezone.com/news/05_18_06_10_45AM.htm

Cerion

 

Originally posted by Hrothmund


 
Originally posted by Oversoul87

Originally posted by Cerion


Well considering WoW is in fact the culmination of failed IP negotiations between Blizzard and Games Workshop, WAR and WoW will be similar.
But wait! WoW is original! Warcraft is Original!  Sorry to burst your bubble.  Years ago, Blizzard was in negotiations with Games Workshop to make a computer game of Warhammer. Negotiations failed, GW pulled their IP, but Blizzard thumbed their corporate noses and created Warcraft instead, copying many of Warhammer themes already in development.
So yeah, WAR and WoW will be similar.  But to the victor go spoils and history. Few will remember that WoW is a direct rip off of Warhammer.

I end up screaming this at so many of my friends who had never heard of this bit of news. Then they laugh, and continue to say WoW had all the original ideas, and I go a little more bald.

I've found no references to failed IP negotiations, but it is obvious the Warcraft universe was modelled after the Warhammer world and is more or less a blatant rip-off, but a good one at that.

 

 

I'd actually like a link with some convincing proof that Blizzard and Games Workshop were actually in talks regarding the Warhammer IP, if you have one handy.

 

You'll likely not find a link as this dispute goes back years, to the beginnings of Warcraft itself. Those of us who've followed the Warhammer table top game for years (since the early 1990s myself) remember the history (though exact details may be lost).

Oversoul87

Yeah I know, but it would be nice to find it written somewhere for the people who haven't heard it, or just don't believe hah.

markoraos

 

Originally posted by kedoremos


 
Originally posted by markoraos


 
Originally posted by CCDeathCC











And there you have it. While both games share in their similarities they differ greatly as you look beyond the superficial. The reason I am so excited about Warhammer Online is because it revives the sense of purpose in gameplay that I have not felt since DAOC. Everything I do is contributing to the glory of my realm not just in theory but in practice. My actions, regardless of how small even at level 5 will impact the actions of the level 40's sieging cities. The sense of pride and honor in your accomplishments is further strengthened by the tangible goals and achievements at every turn.

 

 

To OP:

Look mate, I have no idea why the troll headline since your conclusion is that WAR obviously IS NOT WoW.

 

I'm really confused at your motives there. You've obviously given it more time and effort than your average troll post so.. what's the score?

 

 

You'd know the score if you read his post.

 

Well you obviously didn't read the 2 sentences I wrote... the headline says one thing while th post ends with an opposite conclusion.

The headline is misleading and troll-inviting. It should have at least ended with a question mark .. "Warhammer Online = War of Warcraft?" instead of an exclamation.

This is like making a "EVE is crap" post on EVE forums and then listing all the reasons why EVE rocks.

Rubakai

1. I think everyone who has posted without reading the actual post (xzeve & chaosxs) should be banned straight away as they contribute nothing but tripe to these forums and are clearly illiterate and ignorant.

 

2. Please please please people read about warhammer before judging it. Whoever those people were you say WAR is just PvP need to get a grip. They have PvP AND PvE. Just please look at Public quests, one of the most original and cool PvE mechanics that have been brought in for a long long time.

 

READ READ READ then make your conclusion.

 

PS Nice post

saveit11

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As for the OP....the post is very informative and well written. However, I'm still holding off my judgements on WAR until the game is actually released. Anybody who's been around the MMO scene for the past 3 years or so has to learn to realize that you can't expect everything the developers promise in a game, and until I actually play the game for myself or see a mass-release of it, I can't trust word of mouth either.

However, at this point, WAR looks like it will be the king of PvP games.

Smartwhois

Undoubtably, EA Inc. will push to make Warhammer very similar to WoW - a game that appeals to the lowest common denominator.

You can count on that.

Whiskeyjack1

 

Originally posted by kadepsyson


I have to agree with SaintViktor here.  An MMO based solely on PVP just doesn't have the lasting appeal of one with a mix of decent PVE and PVP.  I think this, among other reasons, is a good reason why Warhammer will not take a chunk out of the world of warcraft userbase.  People will try it, get bored, and quit.

1st: LOL , did you just called wow pvp "decent" ... omg. As a ex-GM and arena veteran , I can tell you that pvp is a minigame , an afterthought. Hell , some crappy Free-to-play mmo's have better pvp system than wow . god.

 

WoW main game is PvE raiding. Which is highly repetitive and boring after a while ( got to the Eye and was mid Naxx when expansion came out.) but 8+ million players are still playing it .

 

2nd : 70% of the players I have known in Wow where pvper , that either quit because of the lack of it ( world pvp) or joined raiding guilds ( like me ) to see more of the game and eventually got burned out . WoW crappy pvp have keeped a good amount of players into the game for years . How can  world-wide , meaningful and epic pvp get boring fast? Players have grinded WSG and such for months just to participate in some pvp. WoW won't lose much in numbers maybe , but the BG's and arena will be almost empty where only the most rabid wow fanboi will stick to this punishing experience .

Hell , even wow is coming with a "Huge all-out pvp zone" (what, like world pvp on pvp servers? .. FAIL!  ) and "siege engines" , so war must be doing something right. Even pvp is some form of pve in wow. Let me guess the pvp map in the expansion ... Siege engine only usable in the pvp map and probably fixed locations.  1 camp full of npc with "pvp" quests ( new factions to grind) for each side . Players will grind them ( quests , faction pts , etc..)  until its capped , then moved on to pve raid encounters leaving an empty map.. ( hardcore pve guild will just go right ahead with progression .) 

The 80%+ pve population will stay on to grind that stuff and pvpers will be moving to WAR or AoC. I know i am , so are my 80+ pvp minded guildmates .  

Viviance

All of you who are so convinced that WAR will not make it because 'it's more focused on PvP' must've never played DAoC. You could be basing the concept of 'PvP' on WoW's style, where you go to the battlegrounds, fight toward the same goal, and repeat. But, in games like DAoC (and WAR in the future) you will find that PvP gives the game an immersive feel. You and your allies must protect your territory or it will be taken/destroyed by the enemy. Unlike WoW, where raid groups are formed to go 'attack' a city, kill some NPC's, and laugh as it inconveniences the other faction until they respawn again, you will be fighting for complete control. In DAoC, guild keeps could be completely razed to the ground. This results in a large loss to the guild, making the keep more valuable itself. (I played on a PvP Server on DAoC, and this is coming from that viewpoint)  If the developers of WAR use the same basic concepts of DAoC RvR/PvP and improve on it, I'm sure it will be one of the best PvP games out there.

In my opinion, WoW is a complete grindfest. If you like that, then play WoW. But as other posters have said, most PvPers will be moving on to the newer games that have more of a focus on PvP.

As for the 'WoW clone'-ness, I'm pretty sure you could find similarities between WoW and any othe MMO out there. Yes, WoW was/is successful and other developers will observe the reasons behind it, but they will also develop their own ideas. Get over it.

Btw, nice OP.

Impyriel

To the OP,

I disagree with alot of what you say (similarities wise), but the post is set up nicely. (Besides the title, would of went with something else)

You shouldn't be comparing WAR solely to WoW, many aspects came before that game.

I might be one of few as well who thinks WAR and WoW graphicly share little similarities. 

Bleh, not even close for me.

The things that do seem to be similar to me though are some quests and animations, but then I rationalized and figured there is only a finite way you can stab or slash at someone with a weapon.

Oh and the reason why I don't go beyond this to explain, is quite frankly I am tired of trying to. The horse is just a pile of meat now.

 

Oasis21

Haha nice Death, never really cared for WoW similarities but if you make war characters more bright, less realistic with skin texture and armor, and more roundish all around they do look similar.

But other than that WAR came before WoW

knives22

Gameplay = Exactly the same, Hell they probably stole some code from blizzard.

Graphics = both are very ugly.

Shifty360

Originally posted by knives22


Gameplay = Exactly the same, Hell they probably stole some code from blizzard.
Graphics = both are very ugly.

So I'm guessing you have played beta? or not?

Publish6246

I think your all kidding yourselves tbh....



Most mmorpgs are clones atm and play esactly the same as eachother and WAR is going to be no different.....



Grind to end level then do high end PVE and PVP.

Urrelles

WAR is basically WoW with PvP focus done right and not a bunch of ridiculous PvE raids.  After watching a gameplay video the look to play almost the same.

memorie

WAR is going to be a RvR game they have said that over and over agian. WoW is a gear centric game with PvP thrown in that is why I dont like it. As long as WAR stays with RvR im sure I will love it and could careless if some fanboi thinks its a WoW clone

Nergle

In all honesty, I think that picture Imp showed looked more like a DDO screen shot than a WOW shot.

To the op you kinda lost me as reading your topic when you said that WOW was older than Warhammer. I strongly suggest you go to a Borders book store and go look at some of the rule/art books and look at the date on them before posting that WOW is older than Warhammmer. "1983 anyone?"

 

mehhem

Well I have to admit I'm more interested in Warhammer now than I was before reading this post.

kwai

Originally posted by Gurkz


I like WoW graphics the style is different and thats fine by me.  What I dont like about WoW is the gear grind, the honor grind, the lame BGs/arenas, the instance grind the lack of no open world pvp.  If you are saying that WoW and WAR are the same but WAR fixes all the things that make me not like WoW then yes I will for sure enjoy WAR.  I like PvP and RvR and if WAR makes good on both of those thats really all that matters to me. 
On top of that there are clear differences WAR focuses on RvR, WoW is a focus on end game raiding.  WAR has 24 classes to pick from WoW has 8.  As far as the race thing WoW didnt come up with that LoTR did so thats been copied for years (DAOC, L1, L2 and the list goes on).  WoW could of been a fun game but its a gear/pve centric game and from what we have heard WAR is gated to be a RvR game.
The reason people dont like WoW is because all you do is grind stuff.  First you grind levels, then money for a mount, low level gear to be able to do instances with high level gear and then you do raid grinds for epic gear.  Then you pvp for gear, honor, rep, rank and the grinds go on and on.  Then Blizzard brings out expansion X and you get to grind all the same stuff over agian.  If WAR does the same thing I wont play WAR either its as easy as that. 

 

Amen brother

jazz.be

I don't mind if there are similarities between Warhammer and WoW.

Allthough WoW was my first mmorpg, I played some other mmo's since then, about 7 or 8. Some payed, some free. WoW is a good game, none of the other games kept my attention. It was perfect...but it's completely consumed. It's like playing streetfighter over and over and over again... If other devs re-use the best out of WoW and implement their ideas and their concept, then I'm 100% behind them.

Something completely new doesn't make it good