Originally posted by Anofalye IF they bring some stealth in the game...
It would only work vs PvE mobs, not players. Stealth is extremely interesting in PvE, not necessarily for a class and not as a permanent ability necessarily, but it is FUN to be stealth in PvE (and maybe some mobs see throught it...hehehe)
Don't expect stealth for PvP.
(That is a big IF, I am not sure they care enought about PvE to bring some stealth for PvE...but who know?)
How is stealth fun against stupid mobs? I've played many, many stealthers and stealthing against pve mobs was never fun.
1) Stealth of some kind will be in as a "charge" like ability for paper tiger type classes to gain ground. 2) It will be timed and/or "draining" to use. No permanent "wait and gank". 3) No stun locks. 4) Possibly: Can't be used in combat.
a charge like skill does not qualify as stealth ! stealth is the ability to move or hide unseen! not movement speed,
It does if during that charge your "cloaked"
As much as I hate Stealth thanks to the way its been severly overpower / poor implemented so that it can be exploited unfairly if Stealth was brought into the game and it was limiting and fair enough so the player could say get up close to attack someone but not allow them to suddenly go invis over and over I'd be alright with it. ie of a bad stealth system -> invis, attack, move, invis attack move. Basically making it impossible for a person to turn and fight fairly. The idea you can stealth and run off invisible in the middle of a desert with the person basically looking right at you is retarded too once you've revealed yourself it should be considered damn hard to rehide. Squishies often have the hardest time getting up close for Melee without getting hacked to death first but it doesn't mean they should be blink dogs.
Its like if I want to fight blinking dogs I'll play second edition D&D those things were a pain in the ass.
Not really ! what you are mixing up here is that if you have movement speed enough it's a charge , if you are not to be seen as you are charging then its not stealth , its more like a teleport ! Maybe a slow teleport ! But its a teleport! Thats not stealth! Stealth give 2 things , surprise and the ability to reach an opponent you othervise couldn't have cought ( unaware or not)! Teleport does the same. The difference is with stealth there is a movement issue! Charge does negate that, making it a teleport like move if cloaked!
I am not completely aginst stealth ! And Warhammer Roleplay had stealth in form of counsealment rural and urban skills! This was like a hide in shadows skill! To work they had condition to meet! There needed to be something to hide in! As far i am concerned , a stealth like skill there require som condition to meet to be able to use could be ok ! because players would learn when there could be someone hidding , and they should offcause have a "search" skill to counter it ! And that would make stealth attacks something that could happend in certain places, and that you could do something about! Thats ok wth me!
But my general point of view is it's not really needed in war. As far as i am informed WAR is already doing alot to let people use terrain features too their advantage! And does it really ad something to PvP ! Not at all, only if PvP is lacking quality , then stealth make it more interesting! But if PvP is really good , then hard stealth is just spoiling the game! Remember that for stealth to be a really good feature , the ones on the reciving end has to think its a part of the gameplay that they want to be there!
1) Stealth of some kind will be in as a "charge" like ability for paper tiger type classes to gain ground. 2) It will be timed and/or "draining" to use. No permanent "wait and gank". 3) No stun locks. 4) Possibly: Can't be used in combat.
I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that:
1) Paul Barnett is a well-known jokester.
2) Paul Barnett likes to be funny.
3) "Welcome the man who brought you stealth..." was his idea of a joke.
4) Possibly: His joke was pulled because it was misleading.
You know, I do not care one way or the other, while I do admit that I have enjoyed stealth in the past, it is definitely not what sells the game to me (unless we are talking Thief or Splinter Cell kind of stealth). If they can put stealth in balanced and (somehow) true to the lore, sure gimme, if not I will not cry about it.
And extra points to Paul Barnett if this is all a joke.
I cant understand why some fanbois still talking about AoC or another game... ¬¬u
Every conversation on WaR or AoC need to be fruit of a fight between lovers and detractors from this games? what have aoc to be in war stealth. This is just a new from a game that dont need to be compared with wow or aoc cause is hyped enought to get its "own world".
It was pretty obvious to me that stealth was going to be in the game at some point, how else would a lightly armoured melee character reach a ranged DPSer especially without that CCs
Here is a copy paste of my reply on the other stealth thread.
Paul Barnett interview with Jeuxonline part 2 of 2 (part one is also a very good watch and answers a few other common questions) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcMRSLP6tKc&NR=1 Here you are everyone who believes stealth will be in the game. There is also info regarding Taunts and Fear skills.
Taunt and Fear 4 min 15 sec No Stealth 4 min 58 sec (and make sure you watch until 6 min 50 sec) If it still doesn't set in, please watch 6:30 - 6:45 repeatedly.
They said that over a year ago, they could have changed their minds quite easily within that time.
But meh... I couldn't care less whether stealth is in or out, it's definitely not a factor for me - I just want to kill people, take over and destroy buildings.
They won't introduce stealth, it was very much set in stone as something they would not include.
While that was over a year ago, they still have the same crew. Therefore I do not believe this rumor that has been circulating around will change anything at all. It is out, and they made that clear from the start.
I played daoc for 5+ years and from Mythic's track record whatever they said means jack. They changed their mind all the time and said stupid stuff that cant be fixed but was fixed later. I just dont trust them at all. They are going all out to get as much customer as they can so it wont surprise me if they want some cash from stealther lovers.
Give me some examples of them saying "we will do this" but changed thier mind completely. Or vice versa, "we will not do this" and in return chose to do so.
Saying they denied something being fixable, and fixed it later sounds like rubbish. "My friend said she couldn't go eat out because she was busy with work" "A month later when she was not busy, we went out and got some dinner" She said she couldn't go last month, but here we are now. What a liar! I don't trust her at all!
Easy there champ. This thread was started due to the actions of Mythic themselves. For whatever reason, in the latest newletter, for a brief period they had a short video clip from Paul introducing the "man who brought you stealth". It provided no more info than that, and no one knows why they are messing with us (except perhaps to stir up some "buzz" around the game.)
I didn't see the video clip, but a whole bunch of folks did, so I have no reason to believe it wasn't there.
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Give me some examples of them saying "we will do this" but changed thier mind completely. Or vice versa, "we will not do this" and in return chose to do so.
Saying they denied something being fixable, and fixed it later sounds like rubbish. "My friend said she couldn't go eat out because she was busy with work" "A month later when she was not busy, we went out and got some dinner" She said she couldn't go last month, but here we are now. What a liar! I don't trust her at all!
Easy there champ. This thread was started due to the actions of Mythic themselves. For whatever reason, in the latest newletter, for a brief period they had a short video clip from Paul introducing the "man who brought you stealth". It provided no more info than that, and no one knows why they are messing with us (except perhaps to stir up some "buzz" around the game.)
I didn't see the video clip, but a whole bunch of folks did, so I have no reason to believe it wasn't there.
More like, the actions of Paul Barnett posting a podcast as a joke.
I can see he got his laugh judging by the results.
This however has nothing to do with the credibility of Mythic Entertainment.
Give me some examples of them saying "we will do this" but changed thier mind completely. Or vice versa, "we will not do this" and in return chose to do so.
Saying they denied something being fixable, and fixed it later sounds like rubbish. "My friend said she couldn't go eat out because she was busy with work" "A month later when she was not busy, we went out and got some dinner" She said she couldn't go last month, but here we are now. What a liar! I don't trust her at all!
Easy there champ. This thread was started due to the actions of Mythic themselves. For whatever reason, in the latest newletter, for a brief period they had a short video clip from Paul introducing the "man who brought you stealth". It provided no more info than that, and no one knows why they are messing with us (except perhaps to stir up some "buzz" around the game.)
I didn't see the video clip, but a whole bunch of folks did, so I have no reason to believe it wasn't there.
More like, the actions of Paul Barnett posting a podcast as a joke.
I can see he got his laugh judging by the results.
This however has nothing to do with the credibility of Mythic Entertainment.
I can go along with the joke theory, sort of fits what happened. (though I would have expected them to wait until April 1st, but oh well).
Mythic has some credibility issues to make up for in some peoples eyes. I played a lot of DAOC and while I loved the game, Mythic made some big mistakes in many folks opinions.
But I agree with you, regarding stealth the official public line is "no stealth"
Doesn' t really matter one way or another though... I'm still playing.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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They won't introduce stealth, it was very much set in stone as something they would not include.
While that was over a year ago, they still have the same crew. Therefore I do not believe this rumor that has been circulating around will change anything at all. It is out, and they made that clear from the start.
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Explain to me how that proves they are adding it?
The rumor was that they DID add it, not that they have considered it.
It may not prove that they're adding it, but it certainly proves that he's changed his mind about one of his "Global Rules" since it's something that is now under consideration rather than just ruled out.
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All i can say
STEALTH
How is stealth fun against stupid mobs? I've played many, many stealthers and stealthing against pve mobs was never fun.
D.
a charge like skill does not qualify as stealth ! stealth is the ability to move or hide unseen! not movement speed,
It does if during that charge your "cloaked"
As much as I hate Stealth thanks to the way its been severly overpower / poor implemented so that it can be exploited unfairly if Stealth was brought into the game and it was limiting and fair enough so the player could say get up close to attack someone but not allow them to suddenly go invis over and over I'd be alright with it. ie of a bad stealth system -> invis, attack, move, invis attack move. Basically making it impossible for a person to turn and fight fairly. The idea you can stealth and run off invisible in the middle of a desert with the person basically looking right at you is retarded too once you've revealed yourself it should be considered damn hard to rehide. Squishies often have the hardest time getting up close for Melee without getting hacked to death first but it doesn't mean they should be blink dogs.
Its like if I want to fight blinking dogs I'll play second edition D&D those things were a pain in the ass.
Not really ! what you are mixing up here is that if you have movement speed enough it's a charge , if you are not to be seen as you are charging then its not stealth , its more like a teleport ! Maybe a slow teleport ! But its a teleport! Thats not stealth! Stealth give 2 things , surprise and the ability to reach an opponent you othervise couldn't have cought ( unaware or not)! Teleport does the same. The difference is with stealth there is a movement issue! Charge does negate that, making it a teleport like move if cloaked!
I am not completely aginst stealth ! And Warhammer Roleplay had stealth in form of counsealment rural and urban skills! This was like a hide in shadows skill! To work they had condition to meet! There needed to be something to hide in! As far i am concerned , a stealth like skill there require som condition to meet to be able to use could be ok ! because players would learn when there could be someone hidding , and they should offcause have a "search" skill to counter it ! And that would make stealth attacks something that could happend in certain places, and that you could do something about! Thats ok wth me!
But my general point of view is it's not really needed in war. As far as i am informed WAR is already doing alot to let people use terrain features too their advantage! And does it really ad something to PvP ! Not at all, only if PvP is lacking quality , then stealth make it more interesting! But if PvP is really good , then hard stealth is just spoiling the game! Remember that for stealth to be a really good feature , the ones on the reciving end has to think its a part of the gameplay that they want to be there!
1) Paul Barnett is a well-known jokester.
2) Paul Barnett likes to be funny.
3) "Welcome the man who brought you stealth..." was his idea of a joke.
4) Possibly: His joke was pulled because it was misleading.
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You know, I do not care one way or the other, while I do admit that I have enjoyed stealth in the past, it is definitely not what sells the game to me (unless we are talking Thief or Splinter Cell kind of stealth). If they can put stealth in balanced and (somehow) true to the lore, sure gimme, if not I will not cry about it.
And extra points to Paul Barnett if this is all a joke.
I wonder if it will be total DAOC/EQ2 stealth or WoW type stealth.
I cant understand why some fanbois still talking about AoC or another game... ¬¬u
Every conversation on WaR or AoC need to be fruit of a fight between lovers and detractors from this games? what have aoc to be in war stealth. This is just a new from a game that dont need to be compared with wow or aoc cause is hyped enought to get its "own world".
It was pretty obvious to me that stealth was going to be in the game at some point, how else would a lightly armoured melee character reach a ranged DPSer especially without that CCs
Here is a copy paste of my reply on the other stealth thread.
Paul Barnett interview with Jeuxonline part 2 of 2
(part one is also a very good watch and answers a few other common questions)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcMRSLP6tKc&NR=1
Here you are everyone who believes stealth will be in the game.
There is also info regarding Taunts and Fear skills.
Taunt and Fear
4 min 15 sec
No Stealth
4 min 58 sec
(and make sure you watch until 6 min 50 sec)
If it still doesn't set in, please watch 6:30 - 6:45 repeatedly.
They said that over a year ago, they could have changed their minds quite easily within that time.
But meh... I couldn't care less whether stealth is in or out, it's definitely not a factor for me - I just want to kill people, take over and destroy buildings.
-iCeh
They won't introduce stealth, it was very much set in stone as something they would not include.
While that was over a year ago, they still have the same crew. Therefore I do not believe this rumor that has been circulating around will change anything at all. It is out, and they made that clear from the start.
I played daoc for 5+ years and from Mythic's track record whatever they said means jack. They changed their mind all the time and said stupid stuff that cant be fixed but was fixed later. I just dont trust them at all. They are going all out to get as much customer as they can so it wont surprise me if they want some cash from stealther lovers.
Give me some examples of them saying "we will do this" but changed thier mind completely.
Or vice versa, "we will not do this" and in return chose to do so.
Saying they denied something being fixable, and fixed it later sounds like rubbish.
"My friend said she couldn't go eat out because she was busy with work"
"A month later when she was not busy, we went out and got some dinner"
She said she couldn't go last month, but here we are now. What a liar! I don't trust her at all!
Easy there champ. This thread was started due to the actions of Mythic themselves. For whatever reason, in the latest newletter, for a brief period they had a short video clip from Paul introducing the "man who brought you stealth". It provided no more info than that, and no one knows why they are messing with us (except perhaps to stir up some "buzz" around the game.)
I didn't see the video clip, but a whole bunch of folks did, so I have no reason to believe it wasn't there.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I'm glad they added stealth.
Easy there champ. This thread was started due to the actions of Mythic themselves. For whatever reason, in the latest newletter, for a brief period they had a short video clip from Paul introducing the "man who brought you stealth". It provided no more info than that, and no one knows why they are messing with us (except perhaps to stir up some "buzz" around the game.)
I didn't see the video clip, but a whole bunch of folks did, so I have no reason to believe it wasn't there.
More like, the actions of Paul Barnett posting a podcast as a joke.
I can see he got his laugh judging by the results.
This however has nothing to do with the credibility of Mythic Entertainment.
They did not add stealth.
Stealth is in Casters are out.
ok now listen because this is realy starting to pi,,, me off stalth is not coming in period
Easy there champ. This thread was started due to the actions of Mythic themselves. For whatever reason, in the latest newletter, for a brief period they had a short video clip from Paul introducing the "man who brought you stealth". It provided no more info than that, and no one knows why they are messing with us (except perhaps to stir up some "buzz" around the game.)
I didn't see the video clip, but a whole bunch of folks did, so I have no reason to believe it wasn't there.
More like, the actions of Paul Barnett posting a podcast as a joke.
I can see he got his laugh judging by the results.
This however has nothing to do with the credibility of Mythic Entertainment.
I can go along with the joke theory, sort of fits what happened. (though I would have expected them to wait until April 1st, but oh well).
Mythic has some credibility issues to make up for in some peoples eyes. I played a lot of DAOC and while I loved the game, Mythic made some big mistakes in many folks opinions.
But I agree with you, regarding stealth the official public line is "no stealth"
Doesn' t really matter one way or another though... I'm still playing.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
And I will be playing as well
Ambush /= Stealth
Yes Ambush is usally an attack from behind, this no way implies that 'invisability' in involed to use it..
WoW skills != All MMO skils
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
They did not add stealth.
Yes... they did.
They did not add stealth.
Yes... they did.
Once again, until there is undeniable proof that Mythic has added stealth into the game, they have not added stealth into the game.