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The SOE hatred just has to stop..
summitus
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I feel its time some regular people like myself should say a few things in defence of SOE,they are the focus of so much hatred and unwarranted accusations, and its just become riduclous and seems now to be a favorite sport on some forums ( especially this one ) to hurl unwarranted attacks on the company and even persomal individuals who work for SOE or even used to work for them, I personally think that the only culprit/s worthy of your hatred and critisism are possibly John Smedley and maybe Lucas Arts as after all the buck stops at them basically.
To carry on hating everyone and anything to do with SOE is downright Dark Ages behaviour, wishing bad things on people that work there or feeling good if they leave there jobs etc is appalling. People have to start thinking of the great things SOE do or have done in the past , the groundbreaking Everquest games to start with, I believe the EQ games are partly the inspiration for most of the games we play and love today, it is also a game they have supported and improved constantly over the years and still do today.
They also rescued Vanguard a game that was doomed to failure, now after about a year its picking up nicely and will soon be a very solid game with a decent dedicated user base.
They were the fist company to intoduce a Pass subscription so you can play and enjoy all there games even the contoversial SWG can now be played for just a few dollars/pounds/Euro's a month, I think the SOE station pass is one the most underated and best value for mone gaming products out there, I for cant count the countless hours of pleasure I've had dipping in and out of all the different games , and the list of games is growing now too with Potbs just recently being added.
They have also made available some cool free stuff which can be played for free such as LON and a new family oreintated Mmo thats coming soon.
Not to mention loads of other cool stuff they have such as Station Exchange and things in development such as the Agency.
Ok they made one mistake which we all know as SWG, a huge mistake in fact but they have apologized for and are trying to make ammends by improving the game as it is now, I played Pre CU/Nge and was'nt happy like a lot of people, but hey you know what ? the game is'nt that bad now if your willing to give a shot with an open mind.
Even aftrer writing all this yes I do think John Smedley is personally responsible for SWG, but to hate anybody and anything do with SOE is just downright sad and appalling. Should John Smedley resign ? .. maybe I dont know and certainly woud'nt like to judge. Should anybody hate SOE and anything related to it ? .. well its certainly no they should not . SOE even with John Smedley at its Helm is a huge part of the Mmo industry and gaming as a whole, they should as a company be appluaded for the massive contibutions they have made to the type of games we all love.
I do hope there are other people that feel the same way, and I feel SOE has so much more to offer us as gamers in the future and they just dont deserve all the Hate and unwarranted accusations that are hurled at them.
I know the haters will still flame this post especially SWG Vets but hey thats your perogative,does'nt make the hate right tho does it .
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No it don't...
EQ is now trash
EQ2 was trash when it launched and still is.
SWG is now trash and had the worst release ever.
PS is now trash
Vanguard is trash
They feel the need to ruin all their games and release expansion after expansion without thinking just because they want quick cash. I wish they took the time and quality of say Blizzard I mean they don't release until it's ready.
Now they are making mmorpgs for the PS3/PC so you know they'll be dumbed down or badly ported to PC.
When SOE shows that they truly understand how many games they have ruined and how many gamers they have alienated, by removing Smedley from their team, thus signaling a real change, then I will cut them some slack.
A post not really worthy of a response I'm afraid.
Glad you found it amusing...
SO your kinda agreeing are you not if you would change your opinion of the if John Smedley left ?
While SOE continues to do more harm than benefit to my chosen gaming genre (MMO's) then I'll continue to hate them; their children, their children's children and six generations of their ancestors.
If SOE want to pull their name from the toilet (I can't imagine they care in the slightest) then they are going to need to prove themselves big-style, 'cos the overwhelming public perception is that SOE = where good games to go die.
Sadly another post not worthy of a response..
I really, really want to like SOE. If they can get back to what made Verant successful, maybe I still can.
Unfortunately though, SOE and the whole "Austin mentality" is destroying all of the aspects that built this genre from the Origin and Verant days, and what I'm talking about are unrestrained live teams who claim too strong of a prerogative to change the game at will. SWG is the most evident example of this, but you can also claim the same thing for how they butchered EQ2's crafting system.
In short, I really don't feel comfortable subscribing to an SOE game, or purchasing things from SOE anymore. I don't, because I never can be sure that the things I pay for today will be enjoyable tomorrow. And that's because while their products are generally good, the service associated with the product turns it into junk in short order.
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Thats an intersting opinion, although I cant really comment on EQ and the crafting system you say they have butchered,as I play and enjoy EQ 2 but hav'nt really got into the Crafting side of things,only very briefly. However I do think that EQ 2 is a very strong part of SOE's portfolio though not as Strong as EQ 1 was.
when you are done here they need someone to defend dark and light as well....
arguing with a corporate fanboi is like teaching special education.
even if you teach him something...at the end of the day he's still retarded.
Sadly yet another post not worthy of a response.
You won't change the mind of people who have been burned by SOE in the past when they show absolutely no sign of reform. In the past, SOE has been responsible for some very negative developments in the eyes of the MMO community. This is indisputable fact. They've earned their bad name and who are YOU to tell us that we should forget about all that?
They're a company that caters to consumers; if Pepsi decide to change their recipe to something that I hate,t hen I'll stop buying Pepsi, and no amount of forum posts will persuade me otherwise.
If in the future SOE turn themselves around and start doing good work on behalf of us MMO enthusiasts, then I'll be happy to purchase their products and support them as a company.
That time has not come.
When SOE stops sucking people will stop hating. (Never)
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You won't change the mind of people who have been burned by SOE in the past when they show absolutely no sign of reform. In the past, SOE has been responsible for some very negative developments in the eyes of the MMO community. This is indisputable fact. They've earned their bad name and who are YOU to tell us that we should forget about all that?
They're a company that caters to consumers; if Pepsi decide to change their recipe to something that I hate,t hen I'll stop buying Pepsi, and no amount of forum posts will persuade me otherwise.
If in the future SOE turn themselves around and start doing good work on behalf of us MMO enthusiasts, then I'll be happy to purchase their products and support them as a company.
That time has not come.
Well perhaps not for you but aside from the SWG stuff, I'm quite happy with what SOE offer, as are I'm sure thousands of other people.
But as it is, SOE has long record of releasing unfinished and bugged games (SWG, Vanguard, etc), and making so radical gameplay changes (like NGE) that people who once bought 1 game may end up having entirely diffirent game.
SOE also has a habit of publishing so many expansions, and trying to get players to buy extra monthly fee for things like character slots, station player services, etc. That playing one of their games costs easily much more than what the game's monthly fee is.
Of course there are always much haters on these forums who hate practically everything. But those who hate SOE have generally a viable reason for their hate.
I forgot about that one. They even screwed that up. That was the "summit" where they invited uberguilds only out to their studio and took them to a baseball game. That was the best indication SOE had given to date that they were completely clueless about their game and the people who really made it successful.
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As far as the hate is concerned it has spread like a Disease from a handful og disgruntled SWG vets to everyone else, so I suppose they are winning in twisted and appalling way, the problem is too many people these days like to hate and will jump on any hate bandwagon they can find.
When they release a game worth playing from day one then opinions will start changing. Ripping gamers of by releasing beta versions of games should be frowned upon and they deserve their reputation for that.
They dont rip anyone off, people have a choice to Buy /suscribe whatever, and thats just your opinion,all Mmo's have been flawed or had problems on release with the exeption of maybe Lotro.
As far as the hate is concerned it has spread like a Disease from a handful og disgruntled SWG vets to everyone else, so I suppose they are winning in twisted and appalling way, the problem is too many people these days like to hate and will jump on any hate bandwagon they can find.
Nothing wrong with their games? Right...........................
They ruined Planetside and everyone quit and they ruined SWG and everyone quit. Then they ruined EQ and refuse to put up classic servers and most people quit that game. Vanguard and EQ2 got released as complete crap and well they couldn't really get any worse so obviously these games are getting better but still they suck and arn't any fun. Theres a trend in all SOE's games of having a low population and people try to tell you that the servers are alive but you havn't seen alive until you played WOW or EVe seeing as it's only got the one. They release expansion after expansion and none of it is very good or to the quality that Blizzard do or even CCP.
Not to say SOE are the only company that make crap mmorpgs because 99% of them out there are crap and that's the problem with this genre. We need more blockbuster games like everyother genre has with it's Fight nights and gears of war and halo and half-life and team fortress 2 and i could go on.
What can you name for the mmorpg genre......... WOW.
You seem to try and defend SOE by only pointing out and admitting there mistakes with SWG but its not the only mistake they have made in fact they have made mistakes with more than one of there MMO's and they have also repeated them mistakes after admitting they made them. I first came across SOE when they first released planet-side which is now nothing like the game that was released they have cut it up so many times now that its just not funny the biggest kicker was I like alot of people purchased the core-combat expansion pack a few months after they start giving it away free to all accounts! i stopped playing then and there. SWG same deal started off rocky but wasn't too bad they cut it up and well you know this story. Vanguard lol another game they screwed up from day one a year later they are only starting to get the game to a stable release! The biggest mistake that SOE seem to make time and time again is they get their hands on a game and they force the devolopers to release it asap finnished or not with the view to fix the problems as they go, they want their profits asap. Customer surport is another joke the only real way to get help from them is to use the telephone number for surport (premuim rate calls) there Involement with the community is out of sight out of mind. All this and more if you look at the matrix online,EQ 1/2 and now pirates of the burning sea you can see they have and still make the same mistakes they promise not to make. You cant blame one person for all these mistakes a company is run by more than one person they just use someone to be a public face so if it gets to bad they can publicly hang him.
As far as the hate is concerned it has spread like a Disease from a handful og disgruntled SWG vets to everyone else, so I suppose they are winning in twisted and appalling way, the problem is too many people these days like to hate and will jump on any hate bandwagon they can find.
Nothing wrong with their games? Right...........................
They ruined Planetside and everyone quit and they ruined SWG and everyone quit. Then they ruined EQ and refuse to put up classic servers and most people quit that game. Vanguard and EQ2 got released as complete crap and well they couldn't really get any worse so obviously these games are getting better but still they suck and arn't any fun. Theres a trend in all SOE's games of having a low population and people try to tell you that the servers are alive but you havn't seen alive until you played WOW or EVe seeing as it's only got the one. They release expansion after expansion and none of it is very good or to the quality that Blizzard do or even CCP.
Not to say SOE are the only company that make crap mmorpgs because 99% of them out there are crap and that's the problem with this genre. We need more blockbuster games like everyother genre has with it's Fight nights and gears of war and halo and half-life and team fortress 2 and i could go on.
What can you name for the mmorpg genre......... WOW.
Well your entitled to your opinion.
Planetside is an old game now but it has been very successful for along time. You may think they they screwed it up but alot of people would'nt agree with you.