The SOE hatred just has to stop..

altairzq

 

Originally posted by Deathstrike2


 
Originally posted by altairzq


$$$$$$$$$$OE sucks so much... I wish it disappears from the MMO industry one day. Well now it's pretty much fucosing on low quality games/niche games/kid games so it doesn't count like a few years ago, fortunately.

 

So just for clarity, what does the Agency fall under?  Low quality, niche game, or kid game? 

All three probably. Get real, it's a bloody $$$$$$$OE game.

 

 

"$$$$$$$OE We've got your game"

"and we screwed it"

summitus

Originally posted by Mandarr


 
Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Burntvet


$OE and $med have EARNED every bit of their terrible reputation and it is NOT because of a single incident or a single business practice.
The mistake you so blithely dismiss as SWG, to which part are you referring? The NGE that destroyed the game/professions/time investment most people had? The expansion that promised all sorts of features and character enhancements only to have all the promised enhancements removed by the NGE right after the expansion was billed? The refusal to refund the remain portions of year long subscriptions after such a huge game change? The terrible, untested, bug-filled mess that was pushed to live servers over the vocal objections of players/testers? The terrible customer service? The top down business attitude that the customer is wrong, deserves no respect, and will play whatever they are given and should like it? The fact that SOE came out and said that they didn't care anything about their existing playerbase at the time of the NGE? Is that what you mean?
That should be easily forgotten/forgiven after a couple backhanded, half hearted apologies from $med and lackeys with no concrete corrective steps (classic servers) or any form of recompense (free play time to existing customers)? Talk is cheap, especially at $OE. They have NEVER made any concession to anyone that cost them money to do, aside from the much documented PR tour for a few of the SWG boycotters.
And then there is what they did to EQ, EQ2 and planetside on different occasions that were also very bad for their player bases, respectively.  I need not document them here.
Tack onto that the terrible customer service they have always had, their participation now in item/gold selling for their own games, which most players do NOT want.  Their reputation is so deservedly bad, that they can't even put their name on things they distribute anymore, they have spun that business entitiy off as "Platform Publishing" and not $OE.
Someone in another thread put it very well when they said they are tired of "Eating out of the dogbowl" when it comes to playing $OE games. They is EXACTLY how $OE views their customers and delivers content and game changes.
I will not give another dime to $OE, and if I were treated the way $OE treated most of us by another company providing a good or service, I would not do any more business with them either.
This is business, not personal (for me at least).

Your biased and are talking from a disgruntled SWG Vet point of view.

So since Burntvet is a swg vet his oppinion on the topic you started isn't allowed?  I'm a pre cu vet myself and although I may not trust SOE, that doesn't mean my oppinion shouldn't count anymore than yours does.  Did you wake up today and feel like this is the day to try to make SOE look like a good company in everyone's eyes?  You need to go back to bed dude. 

 

 

I wouldn't say I'd never play another SOE game again someday, hell I'd even go back to SWG if they'd release a classic server and didn't have jedi as an option on it.  But I still wouldn't trust them any.  They ruined my mmorpg gaming about 3 years ago now and I haven't been able to find a decent mmorpg game since pre cu swg.  I even mastered every profession there was in the game just to unlock a jedi that wasn't worth playing.  Jedi should've never been put into the game.  There were alot of things that SOE did that I didn't agree with.  As for EQ, I never really played that game.  I was playing UO instead at that time.  But I did try the trial version for EQ2 and I didn't like the game.  That's me though. 

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that just because we may be swg vets doesn't mean our oppinions on SOE don't matter anymore than your oppions in favor of SOE.  If we aren't allowed in your eyes to be worthy of discussion here in this thread, based soley on our veteran status of swg.  Then your posts shouldn't really matter either should they?  Or are you special?

lol when are people going to learn to read posts properly ? Who said he cant have his opinion all I said is that SWG Vet opinions are totally biased toward the Hate side of SOE, Also I wish people would read original posts before they start frothing at the mouth.

Unknown

SWG vets hate SOE, true.

But you say that as if our hatred of them is irrational and without reason!

We had our game stolen from us not once but TWICE within half a year.  The game doesn't even resemble in the slightest the game that we bought years ago.

Let me throw this back on you:  Given what SOE has done to us, why SHOULDN'T we hate them?

 

ShotgunJoe

If its any consolation, I hate EA more than I detest SOE.

summitus

Originally posted by salvaje


My great uncle was a flying ace in World War II.  He told me that his instructors always told him to keep laying fire on a target until it hit the ground, as that was the only certain way to kill.
That's exactly what we pissed off vets are doing to SWG and to SOE, we will keep laying into them until both are in the ground.
SOE is absolutely the most unethical and inept publisher in the industry, and John Smedley is the MMO player's worst enemy.
Fortunately Smed and SOE are their own worst enemy, not us.  Their sheer incompetence will get the job of their destruction done.
 

I notice you say Smed and SOE ?

So even with Smed gone you would like to bring down SOE too ? thats pretty sick.

Deathstrike2

Originally posted by altairzq


 
Originally posted by Deathstrike2


 
Originally posted by altairzq


$$$$$$$$$$OE sucks so much... I wish it disappears from the MMO industry one day. Well now it's pretty much fucosing on low quality games/niche games/kid games so it doesn't count like a few years ago, fortunately.

 

So just for clarity, what does the Agency fall under?  Low quality, niche game, or kid game? 

All three probably. Get real, it's a bloody $$$$$$$OE game.

 

 

"$$$$$$$OE We've got your game"

"and we screwed it"

Actually, EQ2 is better than a lot of games out there right now, Vanguard is pretty good too (much better than when it started).  EQ1 set the standard a long time ago, and SWG was great (so I'm told) until LUCASARTS made the decision to screw it. 

Personally, I don't care if people like SOE or not.  If they put out a good game, I'm going to play it.  And if they change the game in a way I don't like, I'll quit.  I sure as hell won't spend the rest of my life whining about it on some forum.  LMAO!

 

summitus

Originally posted by ShotgunJoe


If its any consolation, I hate EA more than I detest SOE.

Why , EA make some great games dont they , I bet you play EA games too yes ? THey are just companys try to make games and a little profit at the end of the day.

I also guarantee that half the SOE haters still play their games too, after all hating these companys is such a popular pastime now, its almost like a game in its self to some people.

summitus

Originally posted by Deathstrike2


 
Originally posted by altairzq


 
Originally posted by Deathstrike2


 
Originally posted by altairzq


$$$$$$$$$$OE sucks so much... I wish it disappears from the MMO industry one day. Well now it's pretty much fucosing on low quality games/niche games/kid games so it doesn't count like a few years ago, fortunately.

 

So just for clarity, what does the Agency fall under?  Low quality, niche game, or kid game? 

All three probably. Get real, it's a bloody $$$$$$$OE game.

 

 

"$$$$$$$OE We've got your game"

"and we screwed it"

 

Actually, EQ2 is better than a lot of games out there right now, Vanguard is pretty good too (much better than when it started).  EQ1 set the standard a long time ago, and SWG was great (so I'm told) until LUCASARTS made the decision to screw it. 

Personally, I don't care if people like SOE or not.  If they put out a good game, I'm going to play it.  And if they change the game in a way I don't like, I'll quit.  I sure as hell won't spend the rest of my life whining about it on some forum.  LMAO!

 

Well said nice to see a sensible point of view amid all the chaos.

altairzq

Check the thread titled "SOE picks up new IP for MMO......" in the Off-Topic.

smg77

 

Originally posted by jinxit


That is true lucasarts were the brain stormers behind the nge, they believed for the game to survive in the present market it had to change to become more like having a life in the more recent movies and starwars battle front was used as the combat template for  that change, sony had no say in that matter lucasarts even brought in developers of there own to oversee the nge's design

SOE coded the NGE. SOE lied about the NGE. SOE banned people in their forums instead of discussing the problems.

 

LucasArts might have gotten the ball rolling but I reserve 100% of my hatred for SOE and the way they handled the whole mess.

Ponico

People are used to complain, it's in our human nature and it's also part of the side effect of spoiled players. I don't think SOE will ever die because of a bunch of hater simply because, there is alot more happy customers out there.

People say that EQ is trash and yet the game is still up and running with a fairly decent community. The same applies to SWG, EQ2, VAnguard, Pirates and all the other micro games.

 

SOE like many other mega corp made a bunch of mistakes and they will do more in the future due to humans are running the company (I know, I was amazed when I heard that!!!). I will admit that many of their titles had a bad launch and the amount of bugs in their games are a bit above the adverage. City of Heroes, Earth and Beyond are probably the only titles to ever come out perfectly on day 1. I wasn't able to play WOW for almost 1 month due to my server dying and locking my account lol.

People expect too much and want everything to be for them. They become greedy and self centered without thinking of the why something is done.

I'm a manager and once in a while I have to take decisions that really makes a few employee mad. They only see the RIGHT NOW effect and don't think about the future, the why I had to take that decision, the importance of it or if I was maybe forced by my directors. Of course, one thing I do a bit better then SOE is that I communicate the reasons and usually the flames goes down. The point is simple, people should just chill and try to comprehend the meaning of a decision. (Decision includes nerf, CU, NGE, merge etc etc..)

Your a customer, if you're not happy just play something else you know... If I don't like my car, I just sell it and get a different one, why would I torture myself on something that makes me unhappy? I don't go writting hate letters to honda for making a car that I personaly didn't like. (OMG the radio got nerfed, it can't play Mp3s now!!!!!)

 

Their is no reason the world to even be a hater.. none at all because you know what? SOE has what, 5 titles and there's at least 60+ titles on the market. Look around and find something that makes you happy. Seriously, I wouldn't want to meet the SOE haters in RL, they must be eating themselves from the inside at time.

 

in the end... it's a just a game... there's a new game out every week.

 

For the record, I personaly dislike most SOE product, I just don't want to lose my hair over them

 

 

 

Burntvet

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Burntvet


$OE and $med have EARNED every bit of their terrible reputation and it is NOT because of a single incident or a single business practice.
The mistake you so blithely dismiss as SWG, to which part are you referring? The NGE that destroyed the game/professions/time investment most people had? The expansion that promised all sorts of features and character enhancements only to have all the promised enhancements removed by the NGE right after the expansion was billed? The refusal to refund the remain portions of year long subscriptions after such a huge game change? The terrible, untested, bug-filled mess that was pushed to live servers over the vocal objections of players/testers? The terrible customer service? The top down business attitude that the customer is wrong, deserves no respect, and will play whatever they are given and should like it? The fact that SOE came out and said that they didn't care anything about their existing playerbase at the time of the NGE? Is that what you mean?
That should be easily forgotten/forgiven after a couple backhanded, half hearted apologies from $med and lackeys with no concrete corrective steps (classic servers) or any form of recompense (free play time to existing customers)? Talk is cheap, especially at $OE. They have NEVER made any concession to anyone that cost them money to do, aside from the much documented PR tour for a few of the SWG boycotters.
And then there is what they did to EQ, EQ2 and planetside on different occasions that were also very bad for their player bases, respectively.  I need not document them here.
Tack onto that the terrible customer service they have always had, their participation now in item/gold selling for their own games, which most players do NOT want.  Their reputation is so deservedly bad, that they can't even put their name on things they distribute anymore, they have spun that business entitiy off as "Platform Publishing" and not $OE.
Someone in another thread put it very well when they said they are tired of "Eating out of the dogbowl" when it comes to playing $OE games. They is EXACTLY how $OE views their customers and delivers content and game changes.
I will not give another dime to $OE, and if I were treated the way $OE treated most of us by another company providing a good or service, I would not do any more business with them either.
This is business, not personal (for me at least).

Your biased and are talking from a disgruntled SWG Vet point of view.

If so, I have the right to be.  (and it is you're, not your)

Rebut any of that, with fact, if you can.

And you would have to be completely biased yourself, only more so, to deny that all of that stuff is not true (oh,wait....,).

The facts are a hard thing to overcome.

 

zazz

 

Originally posted by summitus


 
Originally posted by Kelador


You seem to try and defend SOE by only pointing out and admitting there mistakes with SWG but its not the only mistake they have made in fact they have made mistakes with more than one of there MMO's and they have also repeated them mistakes after admitting they made them. I first came across SOE when they first released planet-side which is now nothing like the game that was released they have cut it up so many times now that its just not funny the biggest kicker was I like alot of people purchased the core-combat expansion pack a few months after they start giving it away free to all accounts! i stopped playing then and there. SWG same deal started off rocky but wasn't too bad they cut it up and well you know this story. Vanguard lol another game they screwed up from day one a year later they are only starting to get the game to a stable release! The biggest mistake that SOE seem to make time and time again is they get their hands on a game and they force the devolopers to release it asap finnished or not with the view to fix the problems as they go, they want their profits asap. Customer surport is another joke the only real way to get help from them is to use the telephone number for surport (premuim rate calls) there Involement with the community is out of sight out of mind. All this and more if you look at the matrix online,EQ 1/2 and now pirates of the burning sea you can see they have and still make the same mistakes they promise not to make. You cant blame one person for all these mistakes a company is run by more than one person they just use someone to be a public face so if it gets to bad they can publicly hang him.

As I said the Buck has to stop somewhere  and John Smedley is where it stops, and as far as Vanguard is concerned,SOE did'nt screw it up the Developers did, SOE are fixin it and doing a pretty good Job of it too.

 

Planetside is an old game now but it has been very successful for along time. You may think they they screwed it up but alot of people would'nt agree with you.

Well just goes to show you know nothing , SoE bought into Sigil & funded it on collapse of microsoft , then they cut all  funding and demanded Vanguard to be released as they wanted a return on there investment knowing full well what state this game was in...

 

You must be relative of smedley only he would stoop so low & have so little knowledge of his own company.

 

Anofalye

Well...

 

EQ, Vanguard, EQ2 are still building up the hatred...as peoples who like to solo/group find that they have to raid.

 

I don't see this hatred getting any better anytime soon.  It will only get worser.

Daffid011

Swede come on mate.  Vanguard got all types of negative attention from players and game review sites almost universally.  It has nothing to do with SWG vets getting revenge, but everything to do with the shortcommings of the game itself.  The game has retained a little over 10% of its subscriber base which doesn't speak well for "the best MMO on the market", unless you want to say the 200k-ish people that left were all angry SWG vets who are not drinking the same coolaid you are.

Yes SIGIL made the turd of a game that was released, but SOE is directly responsible for it even limping to market.  It should have died a quiet death for the good of the industry.  Instead SOE cut funding in order to "make some revenue" and that shares some responsibility for the disaster of Vanguards launch.

''Microsoft had wanted to launch this thing in July of 2006,'' Mr. Smedley said. ''We felt like the game needed more time, and we have given it more time, but at some point enough is enough, and we have to ship the game and start generating revenue.''-John Smedley

 

 

 

To those who keep saying that they heard the NGE was lucas arts fault it is not true.  It is something the SOE apologists keep saying in order to justify patronage with SOE.  There are many instances of SOE devs admitting to creating and pushing for the change.  Lucas arts surely gave the blessing to proceed, but SOE made the changes. 

Here is a clip from Jeff Freemans blog about the NGE

www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/op-ed/801-SWG-NGE-Crying-Freeman

 

 

 

 

I love how Sigil is at fault for making a bad game and SOE is in no way culpable for anything because they were just the producer, but SOE makes SWG a turd and the apologists want to blame Lucas Arts.  

 

 

BushMonkey

 Until SOE makes ammends for bad behaviour they will remain on a lot of peoples rip list and they have  earned it.

Neanderthal

A man named Smed

To Bradley said

We're making lots o' cash

Let's pimp this whore

By making more

Expansions full o' trash

 

Came EQ two

Smed still knew

What was for the best

We'll hype this fluff

With lot's of stuff

But give gameplay a rest

 

Shamed by WoW

Smedly now

turned his eyes to Galaxies

This ain't good

Blizz in our hood

Let's find a remedy

 

So find he did

He popped the lid

And changed it like he thought he should

That looks fine

Why do they whine?

I really fixed it good!

 

Max_Striker

I will never forget what they did to us on SWG! SOE is nor reliable at all, unfortunately.

summitus

Originally posted by Burntvet


 
Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Burntvet


$OE and $med have EARNED every bit of their terrible reputation and it is NOT because of a single incident or a single business practice.
The mistake you so blithely dismiss as SWG, to which part are you referring? The NGE that destroyed the game/professions/time investment most people had? The expansion that promised all sorts of features and character enhancements only to have all the promised enhancements removed by the NGE right after the expansion was billed? The refusal to refund the remain portions of year long subscriptions after such a huge game change? The terrible, untested, bug-filled mess that was pushed to live servers over the vocal objections of players/testers? The terrible customer service? The top down business attitude that the customer is wrong, deserves no respect, and will play whatever they are given and should like it? The fact that SOE came out and said that they didn't care anything about their existing playerbase at the time of the NGE? Is that what you mean?
That should be easily forgotten/forgiven after a couple backhanded, half hearted apologies from $med and lackeys with no concrete corrective steps (classic servers) or any form of recompense (free play time to existing customers)? Talk is cheap, especially at $OE. They have NEVER made any concession to anyone that cost them money to do, aside from the much documented PR tour for a few of the SWG boycotters.
And then there is what they did to EQ, EQ2 and planetside on different occasions that were also very bad for their player bases, respectively.  I need not document them here.
Tack onto that the terrible customer service they have always had, their participation now in item/gold selling for their own games, which most players do NOT want.  Their reputation is so deservedly bad, that they can't even put their name on things they distribute anymore, they have spun that business entitiy off as "Platform Publishing" and not $OE.
Someone in another thread put it very well when they said they are tired of "Eating out of the dogbowl" when it comes to playing $OE games. They is EXACTLY how $OE views their customers and delivers content and game changes.
I will not give another dime to $OE, and if I were treated the way $OE treated most of us by another company providing a good or service, I would not do any more business with them either.
This is business, not personal (for me at least).

Your biased and are talking from a disgruntled SWG Vet point of view.

 

If so, I have the right to be.  (and it is you're, not your)

Rebut any of that, with fact, if you can.

And you would have to be completely biased yourself, only more so, to deny that all of that stuff is not true (oh,wait....,).

The facts are a hard thing to overcome.

 

Yeah SWG Vets are proof of that !

Unknown

 

Originally posted by summitus


 
Originally posted by salvaje


My great uncle was a flying ace in World War II.  He told me that his instructors always told him to keep laying fire on a target until it hit the ground, as that was the only certain way to kill.
That's exactly what we pissed off vets are doing to SWG and to SOE, we will keep laying into them until both are in the ground.
SOE is absolutely the most unethical and inept publisher in the industry, and John Smedley is the MMO player's worst enemy.
Fortunately Smed and SOE are their own worst enemy, not us.  Their sheer incompetence will get the job of their destruction done.
 

I notice you say Smed and SOE ?

 

So even with Smed gone you would like to bring down SOE too ? thats pretty sick.

 

SWG is on life support.  It won't be around much longer.  And no, for me, it doesn't end with the end of SWG, it won't end until ALL the principals involved in the NGE suffer the consequences.  That includes Smed and SOE.

I, like others, will be watching for their names being attached to other companies and products, and will point it out.  The NGE scarlet letter will follow Smed and his crew forever.

If you want to know what is sick, what do you call casually dismissing 250,000 customers ON PURPOSE because Smed, Cao, and Ward thought the NGE would replace us with greater numbers?

THAT is sick.

And that needs to be punished.

 

Tridian

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by TeflonEddie


While SOE continues to do more harm than benefit to my chosen gaming genre (MMO's) then I'll continue to hate them; their children, their children's children and six generations of their ancestors.
If SOE want to pull their name from the toilet (I can't imagine they care in the slightest) then they are going to need to prove themselves big-style, 'cos the overwhelming public perception is that SOE = where good games to go die.

Sadly another post not worthy of a response..

Then stop responding?

Tridian

Originally posted by salvaje


 
Originally posted by summitus


 
Originally posted by salvaje


My great uncle was a flying ace in World War II.  He told me that his instructors always told him to keep laying fire on a target until it hit the ground, as that was the only certain way to kill.
That's exactly what we pissed off vets are doing to SWG and to SOE, we will keep laying into them until both are in the ground.
SOE is absolutely the most unethical and inept publisher in the industry, and John Smedley is the MMO player's worst enemy.
Fortunately Smed and SOE are their own worst enemy, not us.  Their sheer incompetence will get the job of their destruction done.
 

I notice you say Smed and SOE ?

 

So even with Smed gone you would like to bring down SOE too ? thats pretty sick.

 

SWG is on life support.  It won't be around much longer.  And no, for me, it doesn't end with the end of SWG, it won't end until ALL the principals involved in the NGE suffer the consequences.  That includes Smed and SOE.

I, like others, will be watching for their names being attached to other companies and products, and will point it out.  The NGE scarlet letter will follow Smed and his crew forever.

If you want to know what is sick, what do you call casually dismissing 250,000 customers ON PURPOSE because Smed, Cao, and Ward thought the NGE would replace us with greater numbers?

THAT is sick.

And that needs to be punished.

 

/agreed

 

MSCav

How do people at SOE like Smed keep their jobs lol?  I mean you had a unique game with the 36 professions and skill points and then you trash it for the CU and go against your fan base?  I really question their college degrees, someone should check into it lol!  Then instead of doing what hundreds of thousands want, they make the game worse (well not worse but make you pay monthly for basically SW Battlefront)?  Are these the acts of "intelligent" people?  lol NO!!!

 

summitus

Originally posted by zazz


 
Originally posted by summitus


 
Originally posted by Kelador


You seem to try and defend SOE by only pointing out and admitting there mistakes with SWG but its not the only mistake they have made in fact they have made mistakes with more than one of there MMO's and they have also repeated them mistakes after admitting they made them. I first came across SOE when they first released planet-side which is now nothing like the game that was released they have cut it up so many times now that its just not funny the biggest kicker was I like alot of people purchased the core-combat expansion pack a few months after they start giving it away free to all accounts! i stopped playing then and there. SWG same deal started off rocky but wasn't too bad they cut it up and well you know this story. Vanguard lol another game they screwed up from day one a year later they are only starting to get the game to a stable release! The biggest mistake that SOE seem to make time and time again is they get their hands on a game and they force the devolopers to release it asap finnished or not with the view to fix the problems as they go, they want their profits asap. Customer surport is another joke the only real way to get help from them is to use the telephone number for surport (premuim rate calls) there Involement with the community is out of sight out of mind. All this and more if you look at the matrix online,EQ 1/2 and now pirates of the burning sea you can see they have and still make the same mistakes they promise not to make. You cant blame one person for all these mistakes a company is run by more than one person they just use someone to be a public face so if it gets to bad they can publicly hang him.

As I said the Buck has to stop somewhere  and John Smedley is where it stops, and as far as Vanguard is concerned,SOE did'nt screw it up the Developers did, SOE are fixin it and doing a pretty good Job of it too.

 

Planetside is an old game now but it has been very successful for along time. You may think they they screwed it up but alot of people would'nt agree with you.

Well just goes to show you know nothing , SoE bought into Sigil & funded it on collapse of microsoft , then they cut all  funding and demanded Vanguard to be released as they wanted a return on there investment knowing full well what state this game was in...

 

You must be relative of smedley only he would stoop so low & have so little knowledge of his own company.

 

Nah just a person with a mind of my own and wont be bullied into towing the SOE hate line like so many other's its a sad fact that most or all of the SWG hate has come from a handful of disgruntled people who seem to take great pleasure in trying to make everyone else hate as much as they do !

This post is proof of the pudding so to speak, because as soon as someone tries to look at the positives of SOE ( and there are plenty ) the haters come out of the woodwork and try to make everyone feel the same way as they do. I have a mind of my own and will not be swayed by all the unwarranted extremist SOE hate that infests these forums.

You see they display the most appalling double standards in the fact that no one can like SOE you see. Its fine for them to spew hatred all over the place but as soon as anyone tries to talk some sense they are all over them like ton of bricks. I wont be bullied or intimidated int someone elses point of view, I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone but personal attacks and bullying I wont put with. The SWG Vets seem to have built up a huge sycophantic following of people that just want to please them and agree with anything they say, this forum is a perfect example, I've even seen people that have never even played a SOE game or SWG agreeing with them.

ANyway I suggest people read my original post properly in future .

BushMonkey

Originally posted by salvaje


SWG vets hate SOE, true.
But you say that as if our hatred of them is irrational and without reason!
We had our game stolen from us not once but TWICE within half a year.  The game doesn't even resemble in the slightest the game that we bought years ago.
Let me throw this back on you:  Given what SOE has done to us, why SHOULDN'T we hate them?
 

Let us not forget the lies,insults and downright rude behaviour SOE displayed during this time period.  And  they still display to this very day.