The SOE hatred just has to stop..

todeswulf

Originally posted by summitus


I feel its time some regular people like myself should say a few things in defence of SOE,they are the focus of so much hatred and unwarranted accusations, and its just become riduclous and seems now to be a favorite sport on some forums ( especially this one ) to hurl unwarranted attacks on the company and even persomal individuals who work for SOE or even used to work for them, I personally think that the only culprit/s worthy of your hatred and critisism are possibly John Smedley and maybe Lucas Arts as after all the buck stops at them basically.
To carry on hating everyone and anything to do with SOE is downright Dark Ages behaviour, wishing bad things on people that work there or feeling good if they leave there jobs etc is appalling. People have to start thinking of the great things SOE do or have done in the past , the groundbreaking Everquest games to start with, I believe the EQ games are partly the inspiration for most of the games we play and love today, it is also a game they have supported and improved constantly over the years and still do today.
They also rescued  Vanguard a game that was doomed to failure, now after about a year its picking up nicely and will soon be a very solid game with a decent dedicated user base.
They were the fist company to intoduce a  Pass subscription so you can play and enjoy all there games even the contoversial SWG can now be played for just a few dollars/pounds/Euro's a month, I think the SOE station pass is one the most underated and best value for mone gaming products out there, I for cant count the countless hours of pleasure I've had dipping in and out of all the different games , and the list of games is growing now too with Potbs just recently being added.
They have also made available some cool free stuff which can be played for free such as LON and a new family oreintated Mmo thats coming soon.
Not to mention loads of other cool stuff they have such as Station Exchange and things in development such as the Agency.
Ok they made one mistake which we all know as SWG, a huge mistake in fact but they have apologized for and are trying to make ammends by improving the game as it is now, I played Pre CU/Nge and was'nt happy like a lot of people, but hey you know what ? the game is'nt that bad now if your willing to give a shot with an open mind.
Even aftrer writing all this yes I do think John Smedley is personally responsible for SWG, but to hate anybody and anything do with SOE is just downright sad and appalling. Should John Smedley resign ? .. maybe I dont know and certainly woud'nt like to judge. Should anybody hate SOE and anything related to it ? .. well its certainly no they should not . SOE even with John Smedley at its Helm is a huge part of the Mmo industry and gaming as a whole, they should as a company be appluaded for the massive contibutions they have made to the type of games we all love.
I do hope there are other people that feel the same way, and I feel SOE has so much more to offer us as gamers in the future and they just dont deserve all the Hate and unwarranted accusations that are hurled at them.
I know the haters will still flame this post especially SWG Vets but hey thats your perogative,does'nt make the hate right tho does it .

I see where you're coming from, but the SOE hate does have  its place  in gaming, it tells those of  us that have an IQ above 84, that some Trailer park scrub is about to post some band-wagon hopping Smed  hate without really knowing what the hell he's talking about.

Most folks call these people...idiots.

Daffid011

Originally posted by summitus Nah just a person with a mind of my own and wont be bullied into towing the SOE hate line like so many other's its a sad fact that most or all of the SWG hate has come from a handful of disgruntled people who seem to take great pleasure in trying to make everyone else hate as much as they do !
 
This post is proof of the pudding so to speak, because as soon as someone tries to look at the positives of SOE ( and there are plenty ) the haters come out of the woodwork and try to make everyone feel the same way as they do. I have a mind of my own and will not be swayed by all the unwarranted extremist SOE hate that infests these forums.
You see they display the most appalling double standards in the fact that no one can like SOE you see. Its fine for them to spew hatred all over the place but as soon as anyone tries to talk some sense they are all over them like ton of bricks. I wont be bullied or intimidated int someone elses point of view, I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone but personal attacks and bullying I wont put with. The SWG Vets seem to have built up a huge sycophantic following of people that just want to please them and agree with anything they say, this forum is a perfect example, I've even seen people that have never even played a SOE game or SWG agreeing with them.
ANyway I suggest people read my original post properly in future .

Oh I see where you went wrong.  You seem to be laboring under the assumption that people can't dislike SOE and they must agree with your views or they are somehow bad people.  You know, pretty much "bullying" people into not speaking as you put it so well.

 

Nothing like the "double standard" you so speak of.....

 

 

altairzq

Don't forget EQ vets. $$$OE destroyed EQ too.

summitus

Originally posted by Daffid011


 
Originally posted by summitus Nah just a person with a mind of my own and wont be bullied into towing the SOE hate line like so many other's its a sad fact that most or all of the SWG hate has come from a handful of disgruntled people who seem to take great pleasure in trying to make everyone else hate as much as they do !
 
This post is proof of the pudding so to speak, because as soon as someone tries to look at the positives of SOE ( and there are plenty ) the haters come out of the woodwork and try to make everyone feel the same way as they do. I have a mind of my own and will not be swayed by all the unwarranted extremist SOE hate that infests these forums.
You see they display the most appalling double standards in the fact that no one can like SOE you see. Its fine for them to spew hatred all over the place but as soon as anyone tries to talk some sense they are all over them like ton of bricks. I wont be bullied or intimidated int someone elses point of view, I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone but personal attacks and bullying I wont put with. The SWG Vets seem to have built up a huge sycophantic following of people that just want to please them and agree with anything they say, this forum is a perfect example, I've even seen people that have never even played a SOE game or SWG agreeing with them.
ANyway I suggest people read my original post properly in future .

Oh I see where you went wrong.  You seem to be laboring under the assumption that people can't dislike SOE and they must agree with your views or they are somehow bad people.  You know, pretty much "bullying" people into not speaking as you put it so well.

 

 

Nothing like the "double standard" you so speak of.....

 

 

As I said, learn to read posts properly.

njdevi66

Originally posted by summitus


I feel its time some regular people like myself should say a few things in defence of SOE,they are the focus of so much hatred and unwarranted accusations, and its just become riduclous and seems now to be a favorite sport on some forums ( especially this one ) to hurl unwarranted attacks on the company and even persomal individuals who work for SOE or even used to work for them, I personally think that the only culprit/s worthy of your hatred and critisism are possibly John Smedley and maybe Lucas Arts as after all the buck stops at them basically.
To carry on hating everyone and anything to do with SOE is downright Dark Ages behaviour, wishing bad things on people that work there or feeling good if they leave there jobs etc is appalling. People have to start thinking of the great things SOE do or have done in the past , the groundbreaking Everquest games to start with, I believe the EQ games are partly the inspiration for most of the games we play and love today, it is also a game they have supported and improved constantly over the years and still do today.
They also rescued  Vanguard a game that was doomed to failure, now after about a year its picking up nicely and will soon be a very solid game with a decent dedicated user base.
They were the fist company to intoduce a  Pass subscription so you can play and enjoy all there games even the contoversial SWG can now be played for just a few dollars/pounds/Euro's a month, I think the SOE station pass is one the most underated and best value for mone gaming products out there, I for cant count the countless hours of pleasure I've had dipping in and out of all the different games , and the list of games is growing now too with Potbs just recently being added.
They have also made available some cool free stuff which can be played for free such as LON and a new family oreintated Mmo thats coming soon.
Not to mention loads of other cool stuff they have such as Station Exchange and things in development such as the Agency.
Ok they made one mistake which we all know as SWG, a huge mistake in fact but they have apologized for and are trying to make ammends by improving the game as it is now, I played Pre CU/Nge and was'nt happy like a lot of people, but hey you know what ? the game is'nt that bad now if your willing to give a shot with an open mind.
Even aftrer writing all this yes I do think John Smedley is personally responsible for SWG, but to hate anybody and anything do with SOE is just downright sad and appalling. Should John Smedley resign ? .. maybe I dont know and certainly woud'nt like to judge. Should anybody hate SOE and anything related to it ? .. well its certainly no they should not . SOE even with John Smedley at its Helm is a huge part of the Mmo industry and gaming as a whole, they should as a company be appluaded for the massive contibutions they have made to the type of games we all love.
I do hope there are other people that feel the same way, and I feel SOE has so much more to offer us as gamers in the future and they just dont deserve all the Hate and unwarranted accusations that are hurled at them.
I know the haters will still flame this post especially SWG Vets but hey thats your perogative,does'nt make the hate right tho does it .

Sadly another post not worthy of a response..

baff

 

Originally posted by summitus


 This post is proof of the pudding so to speak, because as soon as someone tries to look at the positives of SOE ( and there are plenty ) the haters come out of the woodwork and try to make everyone feel the same way as they do. I have a mind of my own and will not be swayed by all the unwarranted extremist SOE hate that infests these forums.

The thing is when someone trys to point out Hitlers good points, all the haters some out of the woodwork and shoot them down too.

 

It's all well and good to have your own mind and not be swayed by the opinions of others, but it is also smart to learn from the experiences of your peers.

Just beacuse you don't personally agree with something, does not make it unwarranted or extremeist. Neither will you find SOE hate confined to this forum.

It's not everybody else that is being extreme, it is just you.

Pyrostasis

Originally posted by summitus


I feel its time some regular people like myself should say a few things in defence of SOE,they are the focus of so much hatred and unwarranted accusations, and its just become riduclous and seems now to be a favorite sport on some forums ( especially this one ) to hurl unwarranted attacks on the company and even persomal individuals who work for SOE or even used to work for them, I personally think that the only culprit/s worthy of your hatred and critisism are possibly John Smedley and maybe Lucas Arts as after all the buck stops at them basically.
To carry on hating everyone and anything to do with SOE is downright Dark Ages behaviour, wishing bad things on people that work there or feeling good if they leave there jobs etc is appalling. People have to start thinking of the great things SOE do or have done in the past , the groundbreaking Everquest games to start with, I believe the EQ games are partly the inspiration for most of the games we play and love today, it is also a game they have supported and improved constantly over the years and still do today.
They also rescued  Vanguard a game that was doomed to failure, now after about a year its picking up nicely and will soon be a very solid game with a decent dedicated user base.
They were the fist company to intoduce a  Pass subscription so you can play and enjoy all there games even the contoversial SWG can now be played for just a few dollars/pounds/Euro's a month, I think the SOE station pass is one the most underated and best value for mone gaming products out there, I for cant count the countless hours of pleasure I've had dipping in and out of all the different games , and the list of games is growing now too with Potbs just recently being added.
They have also made available some cool free stuff which can be played for free such as LON and a new family oreintated Mmo thats coming soon.
Not to mention loads of other cool stuff they have such as Station Exchange and things in development such as the Agency.
Ok they made one mistake which we all know as SWG, a huge mistake in fact but they have apologized for and are trying to make ammends by improving the game as it is now, I played Pre CU/Nge and was'nt happy like a lot of people, but hey you know what ? the game is'nt that bad now if your willing to give a shot with an open mind.
Even aftrer writing all this yes I do think John Smedley is personally responsible for SWG, but to hate anybody and anything do with SOE is just downright sad and appalling. Should John Smedley resign ? .. maybe I dont know and certainly woud'nt like to judge. Should anybody hate SOE and anything related to it ? .. well its certainly no they should not . SOE even with John Smedley at its Helm is a huge part of the Mmo industry and gaming as a whole, they should as a company be appluaded for the massive contibutions they have made to the type of games we all love.
I do hope there are other people that feel the same way, and I feel SOE has so much more to offer us as gamers in the future and they just dont deserve all the Hate and unwarranted accusations that are hurled at them.
I know the haters will still flame this post especially SWG Vets but hey thats your perogative,does'nt make the hate right tho does it .

Sorry as a player of almost every SOE game I do have to disagree with you. First off there are a few things a dev can do that are just completely unforgivable. SWG is one of those things.

They sold the fan base a new expansion, and then within 48 hours they changed the entire game with no notice and no warning. Peoples classes were completely removed. Granted every mmo has changes and updates, but SOE was the first game to remove several classes after several years of being live. Thats just unforgivable.

However, everyone makes mistakes, and if that had been the only one sony had made, then they probably would recover...eventually...

However their copy paste expansions from EQ1 where little was done to actually add to the game.... Their horrible dealings with the Station Exchange recently (it being down for 2 months), the fact that they nickel and dime you for everything including benefits most games offer for free.

Take a gander at Station players. You have to pay an extra fee to get that information. Now head on over to the armory WoW created or the camelot herald... both completely free services that offer better functionality and more frequent updates with less bugs. Do they have their issues? Yep... but so does Station Players... and you have to pay for that one.

Even these might possibly fade with time... but with the current leadership and poor customer service on pretty much all of their games leaves most of us rubbed rather raw. You can only slap a customer in the face so many times before the customer decides to throw back.

SoE's customer support or lack there of is rather widely known. It takes between 2 - 5 days to get a petition answered in EQ2 atm... and my personal fav. In december they had some billing issues. One of the CSR's said this to a customer with said issues who lived in Washington D.C.

"

me: hello, I've just signed up on Station Exchange and I am having trouble adding my credit card to my profile

SOE: what seems to be the problem?

me: there's no state entry for "DC", as in Washington, DC

SOE: I see, let me put you on hold and look into this

(3 minutes passes)

SOE: You should be able to enter MD for the state, it's close enough

me: that's not my billing address, it has to be DC

SOE: I'm going to have to put you on hold another minute to look into this

(5 minutes passes)

SOE: I'm sorry to inform you, the station exchange is only available to residents of the United States, as washington, DC is not one of the 50 states your not a resident, like Puerto Rico

me: This is ridiculous

SOE: That's why DC residents can't vote for the President.

me: (this guy is too much of an idiot for me to even hold a conversation with, for the record, DC residents do have a vote for the President, we just don't have a voting member of Senate or Congress) I hang up."

Check here post on second page half way down. If soe wasnt as big as it was, it wouldnt be able to treat its customers the way it does. However, since they have the products that they do, they are able to bend their customers over the counter any time they like... and sadly get away with it.

My Question is why do people keep defending them?

Cik_Asalin

SoE sucks.  And summitus post is too long.

Mandarr

Originally posted by Daffid011


 
Originally posted by summitus Nah just a person with a mind of my own and wont be bullied into towing the SOE hate line like so many other's its a sad fact that most or all of the SWG hate has come from a handful of disgruntled people who seem to take great pleasure in trying to make everyone else hate as much as they do !
 
This post is proof of the pudding so to speak, because as soon as someone tries to look at the positives of SOE ( and there are plenty ) the haters come out of the woodwork and try to make everyone feel the same way as they do. I have a mind of my own and will not be swayed by all the unwarranted extremist SOE hate that infests these forums.
You see they display the most appalling double standards in the fact that no one can like SOE you see. Its fine for them to spew hatred all over the place but as soon as anyone tries to talk some sense they are all over them like ton of bricks. I wont be bullied or intimidated int someone elses point of view, I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone but personal attacks and bullying I wont put with. The SWG Vets seem to have built up a huge sycophantic following of people that just want to please them and agree with anything they say, this forum is a perfect example, I've even seen people that have never even played a SOE game or SWG agreeing with them.
ANyway I suggest people read my original post properly in future .

Oh I see where you went wrong.  You seem to be laboring under the assumption that people can't dislike SOE and they must agree with your views or they are somehow bad people.  You know, pretty much "bullying" people into not speaking as you put it so well.

 

 

Nothing like the "double standard" you so speak of.....

 

 

According to him we're all biased with our feelings for swg pre cu so our oppions aren't worthy.

Anofalye

Originally posted by Pyrostasis
 
My Question is why do people keep defending them?

And that is a pretty good question.

 

Consequences of defending a wrongdooer:

- He doesn't learn.

- He will do the same again, or even worser.

- Legit complaints are confused with spoiled complaints by the devs.

- Devs become extremely confuse and not knowing what is up, and what is down.

 

These peoples plague pretty much every community, they are always prone to trash and dirty talk anyone having a legit issue.  Maybe it is the competitors of the game which have staff praising their competitors, these blind praises are extremely nasty for the 4 points I mention above.

summitus

Originally posted by baff


 
Originally posted by summitus


 This post is proof of the pudding so to speak, because as soon as someone tries to look at the positives of SOE ( and there are plenty ) the haters come out of the woodwork and try to make everyone feel the same way as they do. I have a mind of my own and will not be swayed by all the unwarranted extremist SOE hate that infests these forums.

The thing is when someone trys to point out Hitlers good points, all the haters some out of the woodwork and shoot them down too.

 

It's all well and good to have your own mind and not be swayed by the opinions of others, but it is also smart to learn from the experiences of your peers.

Just beacuse you don't personally agree with something, does not make it unwarranted or extremeist. Neither will you find SOE hate confined to this forum.

It's not everybody else that is being extreme, it is just you.

If anything I find your post amusing... so I'm an extremist beause I dont want see John Smedley's dog run over by a bus or all his relatives run out of town  ? I dont thinks there is anything I can learn from a SOE hater either except maybe how to hate.

I think your attemp to be clever is rather funny tho.

DeathWolf2u

And you are......yeah....no one so STFU summitus 

You think because you spend more time out here blabbijng your big freakin mouth that incorporates you as some kind of importance?

Here's a reality check for you, YOU'RE NOT!

SWG, for your information since you seem to lack any, was broken from day 1. Yet it was in it's prime, very fun and addictive in beta and after it's release for the first two to three months. After that the dev team for SWG ruined it, it's a FACT and you, no matter what you think of yourself to be are no one to argue that. EQ2 was fun upon first release until you reached higher levels and couldn't do squat without grouping, BS. A game should not force players into grouping to advance if they do not like grouping with players they do not know, period.

I have played most of SOE's titles and they all start off the same. They are fun when first released then bastardized after a couple of months.

You think everyone out here on this site and many others that bad mouth SOE don't have a clue??? Are you kidding??? You think you're the answer and defender of SOE and basically you're calling all these people, (which most have more experienced backgrounds in mmorpg's than you, me included) cannot make that call from experience in SOE's games, muwhahaha you are a baffoon if you think so.

Here's the sum up for you, it has been documented as FACT that SOE has screwed up almost all their gaming titles. That's wonderful that you chose yourself as the SOE poster boy but it doesn't change crap what they have done and you nor anyone else is gonna prove that to anyone that has experience in SOE's games.

Your response even if it's 'no response' is not needed per I, as I supercede you. Just read it and soak it in if you're even able to understand anything other than your love for SOE.

When I reply to a post people read. If I do not post a reply to a post it's because it's insignificant. Your post is borderline insignificant but since you are treating everyone out here like they don't have a clue about SOE I thought I educate you and how your importance is viewed, none. I never write twice nor do I revisit a post such as yours but you definately needed a reality check.

 

Deathstrike2

Originally posted by baff


 
The thing is when someone trys to point out Hitlers good points, all the haters some out of the woodwork and shoot them down too.
 
It's all well and good to have your own mind and not be swayed by the opinions of others, but it is also smart to learn from the experiences of your peers.
Just beacuse you don't personally agree with something, does not make it unwarranted or extremeist. Neither will you find SOE hate confined to this forum.
It's not everybody else that is being extreme, it is just you.

You are honestly going to try to compare SOE to Hitler?   You have got to be kidding me....

 

 

baff

Originally posted by Pyrostasis


 
 
If soe wasnt as big as it was, it wouldnt be able to treat its customers the way it does. However, since they have the products that they do, they are able to bend their customers over the counter any time they like... and sadly get away with it.
 

No.

SOE doesn't get away with treating it's customers like this.

It thinks it can, They think they can get away with it. But they are all idiots, because we leave. In our thousands. In our hundreds of thousands.

 

And after we all leave we badmouth them to other potential customers instead of saying how much we enjoyed their games.

They have issues. Really series issues, they haven't really grasped the concept of being in a service industry.  Their management would greatly benefit from period of employment at MacDonalds so that they can understand better what is required of them in terms of basic customer relations and good service.

summitus

Originally posted by Anofalye


 
Originally posted by Pyrostasis
 
My Question is why do people keep defending them?

 

And that is a pretty good question.

 

Consequences of defending a wrongdooer:

- He doesn't learn.

- He will do the same again, or even worser.

- Legit complaints are confused with spoiled complaints by the devs.

- Devs become extremely confuse and not knowing what is up, and what is down.

 

These peoples plague pretty much every community, they are always prone to trash and dirty talk anyone having a legit issue.  Maybe it is the competitors of the game which have staff praising their competitors, these blind praises are extremely nasty for the 4 points I mention above.

Legitimate issues and Hatred are two entirely diifernt things are they not ?

baff

Originally posted by Deathstrike2


 
Originally posted by baff


 
The thing is when someone trys to point out Hitlers good points, all the haters some out of the woodwork and shoot them down too.
 
It's all well and good to have your own mind and not be swayed by the opinions of others, but it is also smart to learn from the experiences of your peers.
Just beacuse you don't personally agree with something, does not make it unwarranted or extremeist. Neither will you find SOE hate confined to this forum.
It's not everybody else that is being extreme, it is just you.

 

You are honestly going to try to compare SOE to Hitler?   You have got to be kidding me....

 

 

I'm honestly going to compare people who say SOE is a good company to holocaust deniers. If that clears anything up for you.

summitus

Originally posted by Deathstrike2


 
Originally posted by baff


 
The thing is when someone trys to point out Hitlers good points, all the haters some out of the woodwork and shoot them down too.
 
It's all well and good to have your own mind and not be swayed by the opinions of others, but it is also smart to learn from the experiences of your peers.
Just beacuse you don't personally agree with something, does not make it unwarranted or extremeist. Neither will you find SOE hate confined to this forum.
It's not everybody else that is being extreme, it is just you.

 

You are honestly going to try to compare SOE to Hitler?   You have got to be kidding me....

 

 

Yeah I thought that too but decided it was such a ridiculous comment it did'nt warrant a mention.

summitus

Originally posted by baff

Originally posted by Deathstrike2


 
Originally posted by baff


 
The thing is when someone trys to point out Hitlers good points, all the haters some out of the woodwork and shoot them down too.
 
It's all well and good to have your own mind and not be swayed by the opinions of others, but it is also smart to learn from the experiences of your peers.
Just beacuse you don't personally agree with something, does not make it unwarranted or extremeist. Neither will you find SOE hate confined to this forum.
It's not everybody else that is being extreme, it is just you.

 

You are honestly going to try to compare SOE to Hitler?   You have got to be kidding me....

 

 

I'm honestly going to compare people who say SOE is a good company to holocaust deniers. If that clears anything up for you.

Thats pretty sick I think.

Anofalye

 

Originally posted by summitus


Legitimate issues and Hatred are two entirely diifernt things are they not ?

 

They are, but they can be combined.  Most legitimate issues are intertwined with hatred.

 

In RL, if someone hurt you in anyway, be it emotional or physical, most of the time you have a legitimate issue, and it is also intertwined with hatred.

 

It is very hard for a "victim" to show and display no hatred.  Now, in a game setting, peoples will figure that a "victim" has to get a life and stop displaying hatred over a video game issue...that doesn't mean that the "victim" in the first place wasn't right, even if you discard his/her argument because of the hatred.

 

Peoples who coldly support the devs, often are the wrongdoers and capitlised on this messy situation, where more victims will results from this.  It is easy for someone who is profiting from a situation to be rational, cold, and calculating.  For a victim, just to talk about it is already something...to remove hatred from it...that is asking for many Zen-qualities most peoples don't have.

summitus

Originally posted by DeathWolf2u


And you are......yeah....no one so STFU summitus 
You think because you spend more time out here blabbijng your big freakin mouth that incorporates you as some kind of importance?
Here's a reality check for you, YOU'RE NOT!
SWG, for your information since you seem to lack any, was broken from day 1. Yet it was in it's prime, very fun and addictive in beta and after it's release for the first two to three months. After that the dev team for SWG ruined it, it's a FACT and you, no matter what you think of yourself to be are no one to argue that. EQ2 was fun upon first release until you reached higher levels and couldn't do squat without grouping, BS. A game should not force players into grouping to advance if they do not like grouping with players they do not know, period.
I have played most of SOE's titles and they all start off the same. They are fun when first released then bastardized after a couple of months.
You think everyone out here on this site and many others that bad mouth SOE don't have a clue??? Are you kidding??? You think you're the answer and defender of SOE and basically you're calling all these people, (which most have more experienced backgrounds in mmorpg's than you, me included) cannot make that call from experience in SOE's games, muwhahaha you are a baffoon if you think so.
Here's the sum up for you, it has been documented as FACT that SOE has screwed up almost all their gaming titles. That's wonderful that you chose yourself as the SOE poster boy but it doesn't change crap what they have done and you nor anyone else is gonna prove that to anyone that has experience in SOE's games.
Your response even if it's 'no response' is not needed per I, as I supercede you. Just read it and soak it in if you're even able to understand anything other than your love for SOE.
When I reply to a post people read. If I do not post a reply to a post it's because it's insignificant. Your post is borderline insignificant but since you are treating everyone out here like they don't have a clue about SOE I thought I educate you and how your importance is viewed, none. I never write twice nor do I revisit a post such as yours but you definately needed a reality check.
 

You see what I mean personal attacks, hatred and aggression instead of balanced discussion... kinda says it all dontcha think ?

Oh yeah and how do know how much experience in Mmo background I have or hav'nt got ? ...

baff

 

Originally posted by summitus


 
Originally posted by baff


 
Originally posted by summitus


 This post is proof of the pudding so to speak, because as soon as someone tries to look at the positives of SOE ( and there are plenty ) the haters come out of the woodwork and try to make everyone feel the same way as they do. I have a mind of my own and will not be swayed by all the unwarranted extremist SOE hate that infests these forums.

The thing is when someone trys to point out Hitlers good points, all the haters some out of the woodwork and shoot them down too.

 

It's all well and good to have your own mind and not be swayed by the opinions of others, but it is also smart to learn from the experiences of your peers.

Just beacuse you don't personally agree with something, does not make it unwarranted or extremeist. Neither will you find SOE hate confined to this forum.

It's not everybody else that is being extreme, it is just you.

If anything I find your post amusing... so I'm an extremist beause I dont want see John Smedley's dog run over by a bus or all his relatives run out of town  ? I dont thinks there is anything I can learn from a SOE hater either except maybe how to hate.

 

I think your attemp to be clever is rather funny tho.

You are an extremeist because you see things in terms of  "hate".

 

That instead of being willing to believe that so many people all have had similar and legitmate greivances with a company that they are instead all just "mad with hate".

Only they aren't all mad. They aren't all just consumed by blind self perpetuating hate. They have all taken the time to explain the background experiences behind their conclusions with you and you have just chosen to dismiss them. 

 

It's just you that has lost it. Just you. Everybody else is fine. You are not the only sane man on the island and the rest of us all malevolant lunatics. Get a grip.

 

summitus

Originally posted by baff


 
Originally posted by summitus


 
Originally posted by baff


 
Originally posted by summitus


 This post is proof of the pudding so to speak, because as soon as someone tries to look at the positives of SOE ( and there are plenty ) the haters come out of the woodwork and try to make everyone feel the same way as they do. I have a mind of my own and will not be swayed by all the unwarranted extremist SOE hate that infests these forums.

The thing is when someone trys to point out Hitlers good points, all the haters some out of the woodwork and shoot them down too.

 

It's all well and good to have your own mind and not be swayed by the opinions of others, but it is also smart to learn from the experiences of your peers.

Just beacuse you don't personally agree with something, does not make it unwarranted or extremeist. Neither will you find SOE hate confined to this forum.

It's not everybody else that is being extreme, it is just you.

If anything I find your post amusing... so I'm an extremist beause I dont want see John Smedley's dog run over by a bus or all his relatives run out of town  ? I dont thinks there is anything I can learn from a SOE hater either except maybe how to hate.

 

I think your attemp to be clever is rather funny tho.

You are an extremeist because you see things in terms of  "hate".

 

That instead of being willing to believe that so many people all have had similar and legitmate greivances with a company that they are instead all just "mad with hate".

Only they aren't all mad. They aren't all just consumed by blind self perpetuating hate. They have all taken the time to explain the background experiences behind their conclusions with you and you have just chosen to dismiss them. 

 

It's just you that has lost it. Just you. Everybody else is fine. You are not the only sane man on the island and the rest of us all malevolant lunatics. Get a grip.

 

lol you actually believe what you write dont you ...... scary

Ita+Chups

I don't like them either. They are money hungry and don't make good games. Sorry.

altairzq

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by baff


 
Originally posted by summitus


 
Originally posted by baff


 
Originally posted by summitus


 This post is proof of the pudding so to speak, because as soon as someone tries to look at the positives of SOE ( and there are plenty ) the haters come out of the woodwork and try to make everyone feel the same way as they do. I have a mind of my own and will not be swayed by all the unwarranted extremist SOE hate that infests these forums.

The thing is when someone trys to point out Hitlers good points, all the haters some out of the woodwork and shoot them down too.

 

It's all well and good to have your own mind and not be swayed by the opinions of others, but it is also smart to learn from the experiences of your peers.

Just beacuse you don't personally agree with something, does not make it unwarranted or extremeist. Neither will you find SOE hate confined to this forum.

It's not everybody else that is being extreme, it is just you.

If anything I find your post amusing... so I'm an extremist beause I dont want see John Smedley's dog run over by a bus or all his relatives run out of town  ? I dont thinks there is anything I can learn from a SOE hater either except maybe how to hate.

 

I think your attemp to be clever is rather funny tho.

You are an extremeist because you see things in terms of  "hate".

 

That instead of being willing to believe that so many people all have had similar and legitmate greivances with a company that they are instead all just "mad with hate".

Only they aren't all mad. They aren't all just consumed by blind self perpetuating hate. They have all taken the time to explain the background experiences behind their conclusions with you and you have just chosen to dismiss them. 

 

It's just you that has lost it. Just you. Everybody else is fine. You are not the only sane man on the island and the rest of us all malevolant lunatics. Get a grip.

 

lol you actually believe what you write dont you ...... scary

Actually, he said something very true. You are the scary one.

musicmann

Let's get this straight. All dev companies are greedy, it's just that SOE does it way better and out in the open way more than the others. We all know that SWG was their biggest mistake, as well as making other games they have made worse over time.

Examples of how they screwed over hundreds of thousands is well documented. Does that mean they can be forgiven and given a second chance. I say hell no they can't, and anyone that want's to stand behind them and not look at the facts on how shaddy they run their buisness is not being truthful to themselves or other's that they try to pull into buying a SOE product.

If everyone that has a legitimate gripe against SOE would just forgive and forget, that would send a huge messege to them, letting them think they can get away with anything on the paying consumer, which would be an injustice to the gaming world.

No, the SOE hatred doesn't need to stop, it needs to grow even more and get even bigger than what it is now. All i can do personally is tell everyone that i know to not be fooled into buying a SOE product and make damn sure that forums like this is well educated on how SOE does buisness and have treated and treats it's customers.