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What i dont get is....
pepcfreak
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Why so many vets sit in here day in and day out saying SOE sucks this and sucks that. You also have sigs that say pull the plug on SWG and this and that.
If you want the game to die then stop talking about it. Dont forget free publicity is good publicity be it bad or good. Look at holywood stars... they get more attention when they hit cars get drunk do drugs and suicide then they do by donating millions to orphans.
The really sad thing is all you who complain and all who constantly bitch will jump right back into SWG if there were to make a so called classic server. Frankly there is nothing wrong with this version. Get over it games change everything has to change and evolve.
Let the flames begin lol.
PS my interface, controls and play is identicle to the way it was set up before NGE meaning that the controls and crap most cry about can be changed, then you say i shouldnt have to change it well to bad do it lol. Did you know that u dont need to use the cross hair.... Press t and its like back to normal.
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2 reasons why I come here day after day. First, I enjoy a good converstion. It helps to pass the time at work. Second, saying nothing is the equivilent of condoning it IMO. I want to see the stigma of the NGE carry on like an albaltros around SOE's neck. I want to see the example of the NGE be on the minds of other companies who want to attempt this. Saying nothing only makes it go away, and if it's forgotten we'll see it happen again someday.
Would I join a pre-CU server? Damn right I would. Why wouldn't I? Just as bad behaviour should be discouraged good behaviour should be encouraged.
Good answer above.
But is it not fair to say that people such as myself (who was like most in here who hated NGE and SOE for changing a great game) who play the game and enjoy it should be able to continue playing the game without making a post here thats positive without 400 people comenting on how bad the game sucks when i can garuntee 90% of the people who post here havent given the game a chance.
You and i have talked about this before and i know you ahve tried it. Honestly though with a few minor keymaps its the same game except you can now instantly play a jedi.
My next question is what happens theoretically speaking the KOTOR Online does come out in 2010, and its worse than NGE. And the game sucks. I mean yes BIOWARE is a great company. But if everything proves true, Jedi will be a starting class. And then most people will be so hung up on SWG style of play that everyone will be demanding BIOWARE release classic servers.
You enjoy the game? Good for you, most people will only pick you up if you post inaccurate statements about the current game, like someone else who posts here regularly
You're always going to get replies like "it was better when...." you'll just have to live with that in the same way vets will have to live with the fact that some people like it (not many though lol ) At the end of it all, those of us that played the game before the NGE are as pissed about the manner the changes were made as we are that (for us) the NGE sucks, that doesn't effect new players, so what does it matter.
Can't counter an argument with a valid discussion point? Fishermage(aka Fisherprice) recommends you cut and paste: ad hominem
"You will come to the conclusion that the only people crazier than the managers who thought this a good idea are those who put up with it and pay for it." - Salvaje (who paid to play the NGE for 18 months) /golfclap
Oh but i did try it i really did i quit last year with well over 3 years played.......
I don't plan on playing any sw titles now ever im speaking with my money, If they have a good game good for them, If you enjoy paying for a subpar game good for you, Don't tell me i didnt try it...
And i can say the following....
Don't like the combat system....
Don't like the gcw.......
Don't like you telling me i didn't give it a try..........
Don't like the buffs.........
Don't like the crappy wow copying.......
Oh and i really dont like the CUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
Flame on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was a TKM MDOC CH lol AM now night elf druid.......
You can call it one of two things.
1. Payback.
2. A moral obligation to warn others.
Oh but i did try it i really did i quit last year with well over 3 years played.......
I don't plan on playing any sw titles now ever im speaking with my money, If they have a good game good for them, If you enjoy paying for a subpar game good for you, Don't tell me i didnt try it...
And i can say the following....
Don't like the combat system....
Don't like the gcw.......
Don't like you telling me i didn't give it a try..........
Don't like the buffs.........
Don't like the crappy wow copying.......
Oh and i really dont like the CUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
Flame on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was a TKM MDOC CH lol AM now night elf druid.......
Don't like the combat system....
Thats cool .
Don't like the gcw.......
I thought most would agree this is good
Don't like you telling me i didn't give it a try..........
Never said you particularly never tried it. May ia sk how long you tried it for...
Don't like the buffs.........
This was needed to balance the new skills
Don't like the crappy wow copying.......
SWG didnt copy wow, WOW is the biggest SOE rip off there is, ever hear of Everquest? And i actually find wow to be a subpar game based on everyone is identicle and will be the same in end game. Im sure you will state the simularities between wow and SWG for me but before you do go look at other game with those same simularities that came out before WOW did. then you will see wow is a clone its self.
Oh and i really dont like the CUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
Point taken....
Oh but i did try it i really did i quit last year with well over 3 years played.......
I don't plan on playing any sw titles now ever im speaking with my money, If they have a good game good for them, If you enjoy paying for a subpar game good for you, Don't tell me i didnt try it...
And i can say the following....
Don't like the combat system....
Don't like the gcw.......
Don't like you telling me i didn't give it a try..........
Don't like the buffs.........
Don't like the crappy wow copying.......
Oh and i really dont like the CUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
Flame on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was a TKM MDOC CH lol AM now night elf druid.......
Don't like the combat system....
Thats cool .
Don't like the gcw.......
I thought most would agree this is good
Don't like you telling me i didn't give it a try..........
Never said you particularly never tried it. May ia sk how long you tried it for...
Don't like the buffs.........
This was needed to balance the new skills
Don't like the crappy wow copying.......
SWG didnt copy wow, WOW is the biggest SOE rip off there is, ever hear of Everquest? And i actually find wow to be a subpar game based on everyone is identicle and will be the same in end game. Im sure you will state the simularities between wow and SWG for me but before you do go look at other game with those same simularities that came out before WOW did. then you will see wow is a clone its self.
Oh and i really dont like the CUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
Point taken....
Read much its in there how long i playedbut to make it easy pre vehicles to last year
Oh but i did try it i really did i quit last year with well over 3 years played.......
I don't plan on playing any sw titles now ever im speaking with my money, If they have a good game good for them, If you enjoy paying for a subpar game good for you, Don't tell me i didnt try it...
And i can say the following....
Don't like the combat system....
Don't like the gcw.......
Don't like you telling me i didn't give it a try..........
Don't like the buffs.........
Don't like the crappy wow copying.......
Oh and i really dont like the CUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
Flame on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was a TKM MDOC CH lol AM now night elf druid.......
Don't like the combat system....
Thats cool .
Don't like the gcw.......
I thought most would agree this is good
Don't like you telling me i didn't give it a try..........
Never said you particularly never tried it. May ia sk how long you tried it for...
Don't like the buffs.........
This was needed to balance the new skills
Don't like the crappy wow copying.......
SWG didnt copy wow, WOW is the biggest SOE rip off there is, ever hear of Everquest? And i actually find wow to be a subpar game based on everyone is identicle and will be the same in end game. Im sure you will state the simularities between wow and SWG for me but before you do go look at other game with those same simularities that came out before WOW did. then you will see wow is a clone its self.
Oh and i really dont like the CUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
Point taken....
Also i dont like wow but i dislike $OE AND SWG even more
Oh but i did try it i really did i quit last year with well over 3 years played.......
I don't plan on playing any sw titles now ever im speaking with my money, If they have a good game good for them, If you enjoy paying for a subpar game good for you, Don't tell me i didnt try it...
And i can say the following....
Don't like the combat system....
Don't like the gcw.......
Don't like you telling me i didn't give it a try..........
Don't like the buffs.........
Don't like the crappy wow copying.......
Oh and i really dont like the CUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
Flame on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was a TKM MDOC CH lol AM now night elf druid.......
Don't like the combat system....
Thats cool .
Don't like the gcw.......
I thought most would agree this is good
Don't like you telling me i didn't give it a try..........
Never said you particularly never tried it. May ia sk how long you tried it for...
Don't like the buffs.........
This was needed to balance the new skills
Don't like the crappy wow copying.......
SWG didnt copy wow, WOW is the biggest SOE rip off there is, ever hear of Everquest? And i actually find wow to be a subpar game based on everyone is identicle and will be the same in end game. Im sure you will state the simularities between wow and SWG for me but before you do go look at other game with those same simularities that came out before WOW did. then you will see wow is a clone its self.
Oh and i really dont like the CUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
Point taken....
BM is a poor copy of wow's hunter lol and i do mean poor..........................
Oh but i did try it i really did i quit last year with well over 3 years played.......
I don't plan on playing any sw titles now ever im speaking with my money, If they have a good game good for them, If you enjoy paying for a subpar game good for you, Don't tell me i didnt try it...
And i can say the following....
Don't like the combat system....
Don't like the gcw.......
Don't like you telling me i didn't give it a try..........
Don't like the buffs.........
Don't like the crappy wow copying.......
Oh and i really dont like the CUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
Flame on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was a TKM MDOC CH lol AM now night elf druid.......
Don't like the combat system....
Thats cool .
Don't like the gcw.......
I thought most would agree this is good
Don't like you telling me i didn't give it a try..........
Never said you particularly never tried it. May ia sk how long you tried it for...
Don't like the buffs.........
This was needed to balance the new skills
Don't like the crappy wow copying.......
SWG didnt copy wow, WOW is the biggest SOE rip off there is, ever hear of Everquest? And i actually find wow to be a subpar game based on everyone is identicle and will be the same in end game. Im sure you will state the simularities between wow and SWG for me but before you do go look at other game with those same simularities that came out before WOW did. then you will see wow is a clone its self.
Oh and i really dont like the CUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
Point taken....
In wow you dont need the gcw to Pawnzor in pvp
that is if your on a pvp server. Try a free for all game and see how you like that pvp. If your also good at pvp and think your awesome and the best at it try RF Online. Youll get owned hard. LOL youa ctually think wow is good for pvp..... dream on.
By all means go ahead and enjoy it. But remember that your enjoyment came at a sacrifice from others. Posting about it here seems more like a recruitment scheme then a discussion IMO, and encouraging others to subscribe is essentially encouraging SOE and the rest of the industry to do more "NGE"s.
The NGE simply lowered the bar in terms of what an MMO could be, and as much as I hate to use this term I feel that they did dumb the genre down. We need corporations like SOE to push the limits and expand the limited MMO playstyle into something greater. What the NGE represents to me, at least partially, is a a concerted effort to go backwards. They turned their back on progress.
I don't want to see this happen, and I think everyone would agree if they put some thougth to it. Nobody ever cries for less in this genre, but that is exactly what the NGE gave us.
My god dude do you even read what people write or just jump to conclusions
I also no ware said i was a pvper lol...
WOW just wow attack much when convo don't go your way....
I'm glad you are enjoying the game and sincerely hope you continue for a long while, but I got to call "BULLSHIT" on your second point.
I've been back, a couple of times, the last time less than a year ago. No, a few remaps does not fix the game. It is not anywhere close to the same game as before. It does not play the same, does offer the same experience, does not have the same "feel." I won't argue which version is better, just which I prefer.
No. Wrong. Nyet. Nada. Nien. Not no way, not no how.
As to your BioWare postulate - I think most people would accept a KOTOR-theme or other Star Wars timeline which allowed for Jedi focus, if the game were designed from the beginning with that in mind. SWG was not designed with a Jedi focus or as a starting class; it had it forced upon it , at the expense of all other gameplay. That is why Jedi play in SWG fails.
No need to flame you but I will respond to your post...
It's really more complicated than your simplistic point of view dicates.
1.) This was a virtual world in which people invested their time and their emotion.
2.) SOE/LA acted in a borderline illegal manner with the expansions hitting JUST before the NGE, which was developed in TOTAL secret from the playerbase.
There is no question that SOE/LA acted 100% unethically, but it also stands to reason they broke the law. The term "the Law" is thrown around but SOE rightly could have been sued (and I honestly am surprised they weren't) for the fact that SWG, as an MMO, is traded from State to State within the USA. Now SOE is dealing with Federal Law, not just each individual state.
The ONLY reason SOE wasn't immediately hit with a class action suit is because MMO gaming is still fairly new and internet laws haven't even scratched the surface of what they will someday involve.
The SWG Pre-CU playerbase bought a game, invested millions of hours into a virtual world that was unexpectedly taken from them and replaced by something they DID NOT purchase nor invest time into.
Someday this will most likely be a violation of "the Law" itself. However, for the purposes of 2005 SOE got off the hook. Still, they did break the law when they performed a "bait-and-switch" tactic on their customers.
SWG Veterans are smart gamers and for the most part I have seen, smart people. Their efforts to avenge the way they were treated has been successful. Most of the gamers on this planet don't trust SOE, they won't play SWG, and they will have reservations about playing an SOE game again.
Tecmo Bowl.
No need to flame you but I will respond to your post...
It's really more complicated than your simplistic point of view dicates.
1.) This was a virtual world in which people invested their time and their emotion.
2.) SOE/LA acted in a borderline illegal manner with the expansions hitting JUST before the NGE, which was developed in TOTAL secret from the playerbase.
There is no question that SOE/LA acted 100% unethically, but it also stands to reason they broke the law. The term "the Law" is thrown around but SOE rightly could have been sued (and I honestly am surprised they weren't) for the fact that SWG, as an MMO, is traded from State to State within the USA. Now SOE is dealing with Federal Law, not just each individual state.
The ONLY reason SOE wasn't immediately hit with a class action suit is because MMO gaming is still fairly new and internet laws haven't even scratched the surface of what they will someday involve.
The SWG Pre-CU playerbase bought a game, invested millions of hours into a virtual world that was unexpectedly taken from them and replaced by something they DID NOT purchase nor invest time into.
Someday this will most likely be a violation of "the Law" itself. However, for the purposes of 2005 SOE got off the hook. Still, they did break the law when they performed a "bait-and-switch" tactic on their customers.
SWG Veterans are smart gamers and for the most part I have seen, smart people. Their efforts to avenge the way they were treated has been successful. Most of the gamers on this planet don't trust SOE, they won't play SWG, and they will have reservations about playing an SOE game again.
While i understand your view completely, and believe me i would have, and did, say the same thing when the NGE hit - the reason why they werent sued, nor will games be sued for this, is that it is there right - they didnt take anything from you, (well apart from those who subscribed on a yearly basis, but that was their risk) although we all invested time in the game, in the end it wasnt really investing it, it was simply using the time to enjoy the entertainment an MMO provides - as soon as you stop paying (due to the NGE), you havent, in the law's and in the MMO companies' eyes, lost anything. Now although there actions may have been unethical in many's views, they didnt break the law, and if laws prohibiting this were enforced, the MMO industry, i believe, would be badly hit, because it would take control out of investor's hands (companies), which they wont like, and consequently there will be less investment. Unfortunately, they are and, i suspect, will be allowed to keep anything they have planned a total secret if they want. (the whole "CU is here to stay" issue is a bit more debatable, and is, i suppose, potentially in some ways illegal)
I had two toons on Ahazi, one a MD/MCM, and I'd run two clients at once. The doc would hang out in the guild hall on a macro loop so he wouln't auto log and my MCH/other stuff toon, who was out looking for Great Plains Stalkers on Corellia would stop for a bit while I'd switch to the doc to buff up some guildies who just came on line, heading off for some PvP or PvE goodnees elsewhere...a base busting, or to do some mindless grinding on Dantooine, or resource gathering on Yavin IV.
Good times.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Pretty much what everyone else has said... i'll second about 'why we vet's dislike SWG: NGE'.
We will continue to beat and whip this dead horse,
Until there's another MMO that let's us use the Force.
I had two toons on Ahazi, one a MD/MCM, and I'd run two clients at once. The doc would hang out in the guild hall on a macro loop so he wouln't auto log and my MCH/other stuff toon, who was out looking for Great Plains Stalkers on Corellia would stop for a bit while I'd switch to the doc to buff up some guildies who just came on line, heading off for some PvP or PvE goodnees elsewhere...a base busting, or to do some mindless grinding on Dantooine, or resource gathering on Yavin IV.
Good times.
I was on Bria. For some reason the name of the imperial guild escapes me right now but they used to organize a "friday night fight" kind of thing. Just these massive battles in Theed. If one side was failing they'd fall back to their city and defend that while the opposing faction would gear up again and head there. A lot of the big guilds had their cities on Naboo. I'm not talking about a mere 10v10, these were epic scale battles with a few side "mini" battles going on in different districts of the cities.
No need to flame you but I will respond to your post...
It's really more complicated than your simplistic point of view dicates.
1.) This was a virtual world in which people invested their time and their emotion.
2.) SOE/LA acted in a borderline illegal manner with the expansions hitting JUST before the NGE, which was developed in TOTAL secret from the playerbase.
There is no question that SOE/LA acted 100% unethically, but it also stands to reason they broke the law. The term "the Law" is thrown around but SOE rightly could have been sued (and I honestly am surprised they weren't) for the fact that SWG, as an MMO, is traded from State to State within the USA. Now SOE is dealing with Federal Law, not just each individual state.
The ONLY reason SOE wasn't immediately hit with a class action suit is because MMO gaming is still fairly new and internet laws haven't even scratched the surface of what they will someday involve.
The SWG Pre-CU playerbase bought a game, invested millions of hours into a virtual world that was unexpectedly taken from them and replaced by something they DID NOT purchase nor invest time into.
Someday this will most likely be a violation of "the Law" itself. However, for the purposes of 2005 SOE got off the hook. Still, they did break the law when they performed a "bait-and-switch" tactic on their customers.
SWG Veterans are smart gamers and for the most part I have seen, smart people. Their efforts to avenge the way they were treated has been successful. Most of the gamers on this planet don't trust SOE, they won't play SWG, and they will have reservations about playing an SOE game again.
While i understand your view completely, and believe me i would have, and did, say the same thing when the NGE hit - the reason why they werent sued, nor will games be sued for this, is that it is there right - they didnt take anything from you, (well apart from those who subscribed on a yearly basis, but that was their risk) although we all invested time in the game, in the end it wasnt really investing it, it was simply using the time to enjoy the entertainment an MMO provides - as soon as you stop paying (due to the NGE), you havent, in the law's and in the MMO companies' eyes, lost anything. Now although there actions may have been unethical in many's views, they didnt break the law, and if laws prohibiting this were enforced, the MMO industry, i believe, would be badly hit, because it would take control out of investor's hands (companies), which they wont like, and consequently there will be less investment. Unfortunately, they are and, i suspect, will be allowed to keep anything they have planned a total secret if they want. (the whole "CU is here to stay" issue is a bit more debatable, and is, i suppose, potentially in some ways illegal)
First of all Saay, allow me to correct you...
You still see this from the point of view of someone who isn't getting it...
Not so much this...
Sec. 238.0 Bait advertising defined.1
Bait advertising is an alluring but insincere offer to sell a product or service which the advertiser in truth does not intend or want to sell. Its purpose is to switch consumers from buying the advertised merchandise, in order to sell something else, usually at a higher price or on a basis more advantageous to the advertiser. The primary aim of a bait advertisement is to obtain leads as to persons interested in buying merchandise of the type so advertised.
But more likely this...
Sec. 238.4 Switch after sale.
No practice should be pursued by an advertiser, in the event of sale of the advertised product, of "unselling" with the intent and purpose of selling other merchandise in its stead. Among acts or practices which will be considered in determining if the initial sale was in good faith, and not a stratagem to sell other merchandise, are:
I don't believe this has been attempted but I think it is possible for it to be.
I believe a case could have been made against SOE for the marketing, advertisement, and SALE of an expansion that would weeks later be worthless to the paying customer.
I will further remind you that Cyber-Law is new, and though SOE didn't currently violate the Law regarding their treatment of SWG, in the future this will undoubtedly be a violation of the avatar and owner.
An MMO is NOT a single purchase item. It is a virtual world created for a person to invest time and MONEY into developing a character. Consumers pay monthly on good faith that the developer will keep, within reason, the parameters set forth when said consumer purchased said game. When a developer deceptively forces the paying consumer to change within a new set of parameters (of which the property can be considered a NEW entity) -- Meaning overhauls to game engines, etc, that company will someday be held accountable for that deceit.
In 2005 SOE didn't break THAT law, because there isn't one. However, a case for "Bait-and-Switch" can CERTAINLY be made.
SOE spent 7 - 8 months SECRETLY developing a NEW game. SWG became a new game when the NGE went live. SOE sold an expansion WEEKS before the SECRET new game was launched. They avoided 100% violation of the law by at least announcing the NGE just before it went live but is that enough?
Are they still accountable? I believe a case could have been made for it. Also, like I said, SWG is an online MMO with severs all over the world, could it be subject to Interstate Commerce? It is developed and published for profit, so I believe a case could be made for that also.
Tecmo Bowl.
SWG Veterans are smart gamers and for the most part I have seen, smart people. Their efforts to avenge the way they were treated has been successful. Most of the gamers on this planet don't trust SOE, they won't play SWG, and they will have reservations about playing an SOE game again.
While I have a lot of sympathy for your viewpoint and won't go back to SWG myself, I still must point out that this last paragraph is hard to quantify. Sucessful how? I don't doubt SOE are still making cash, EQ2 is still doing well and they will still be making money of SWG's new players. Plus, I seriously doubt that 'most gamers on this planet' ever even visit these forums
No - SWG Vets may have blown off steam and given vent to their anger here (no bad thing) and made many good cases for classic servers and the like (and yes, I would probably resub to play on them) but don't kid yourself that any meaningful revenge has been enacted upon SOE, or (to be blunt) that the majority of non-SWG players give a rats ass one way or the other.....
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Hundreds of years from now, it will not matter what size my bank account was, the sort of house I lived in, or the kind of car I drove... But the world may be different because I did something so bafflingly crazy that my ruins become a tourist attraction.
SWG Veterans are smart gamers and for the most part I have seen, smart people. Their efforts to avenge the way they were treated has been successful. Most of the gamers on this planet don't trust SOE, they won't play SWG, and they will have reservations about playing an SOE game again.
While I have a lot of sympathy for your viewpoint and won't go back to SWG myself, I still must point out that this last paragraph is hard to quantify. Sucessful how? I don't doubt SOE are still making cash, EQ2 is still doing well and they will still be making money of SWG's new players. Plus, I seriously doubt that 'most gamers on this planet' ever even visit these forums
No - SWG Vets may have blown off steam and given vent to their anger here (no bad thing) and made many good cases for classic servers and the like (and yes, I would probably resub to play on them) but don't kid yourself that any meaningful revenge has been enacted upon SOE, or (to be blunt) that the majority of non-SWG players give a rats ass one way or the other.....
I respectfully disagree with some of what you said.
I DO agree that most people don't care about SWG at all. However, the drastic backlash that SOE suffered on the internet from SWG Veterans has been substantial, to say the least.
Vets have been vocal. Blog after blog has reached thousands of readers and the outlook as whole, on SWG, has been biased by the reaction of these Vets. Don't sell their voice short. They have had success.
SOE isn't making that much money off of SWG, if any.
Tecmo Bowl.
I would like to address the person above who stated that BM is a crappy copy of Hunter in WoW. Hunter in Wow is an exceptionally crappy version of creature handler from Pre-NGE SWG.
I used to spend DAYS camping for babies of rare creatures to tame. Yep, I was one of "those." It was very rewarding because you actually had to hunt for it, then you fought with them and they grew up. (Yes, I know they still grow up from babies in the new system, but it's just not the same.) Having the ability to tame animals was much more rewarding. I would still at times use a bio-engineered pet (as they could be tailor made for certain situations), but I would mostly use the tamed ones. WoW pet taming...nothing on SWG's old system.
As a matter of fact, there's a lot of stuff in WoW that is similar to SWG as well as Everquest and I've never heard one person (save for the person above:) accuse WoW of being a _____clone. I agree with a lot of folks that WoW (even though I played and enjoyed the game, but left cause of the lack of depth and horrible community) has in a part all but killed our chances for a good pre-cu style MMO.
I tried the new game for several months, but...no matter how long I try it to me it just seems like a bastardized version of what I once had
Oh and I'll be the first to admit that even though I swear up and down that I'll never give SOE another cent, I'd be signing back up the DAY pre-cu servers went live. I wouldn't be able to stop myself from hoping that thing could be like they were.