eq2 has forums, they're bad, over moderated, no one cares what's written there anyway and everyone who has the slightest clue of the game posts on eq2flames instead. yet it was mentioned here as a good example of a mmorpg forum.
vanguard beta forums were a mess, thousands of posts about things that were just bad (and still are), big part of those posts were straight out crap, the other part was ignored by the devs anyway.
official forums don't make sense for any game, no one cares what solutions people suggest, have you ever seen a game actually implementing one of those? (maybe you have but that sure as hell seemed like a miracle to you), the traffic you get for actually important questions (technical ones) is extremely low and in every mmorpg has by far the lowest post count. all other questions can be asked in game, there is no need for official forums.
Originally posted by Shifty360 DAoC did not have Official forums and the community still functioned very well.
I played DAoC for a month about a year ago. I eventually gave up because it was impossible to find any hard info on the game. If I had a question I had to spend hours searching poorly maintained fansites instead of a few minutes on the official forums. I eventually quit the game because of the lack of community and information that come with not having an official forum.
It's just plain lazy on their part not to have them... and it's a service I have come to expect for my 15 bucks a month. I'd rather skip this game all together than have the only dev interaction be three random softball questions of their choice answered every Friday like the do with DAoC.
I think the only people who are really vocally supportive of this idea are associated with one of the fansites to begin with... since those are the only people with anything to gain by not having official forums.
lol. there you go! same thing happened to me when i tried doac. i gave up. also..i agree about the idea being supported by people associated with the fansites....what's in this for them?
eq2 has forums, they're bad, over moderated, no one cares what's written there anyway and everyone who has the slightest clue of the game posts on eq2flames instead. yet it was mentioned here as a good example of a mmorpg forum. vanguard beta forums were a mess, thousands of posts about things that were just bad (and still are), big part of those posts were straight out crap, the other part was ignored by the devs anyway. official forums don't make sense for any game, no one cares what solutions people suggest, have you ever seen a game actually implementing one of those? (maybe you have but that sure as hell seemed like a miracle to you), the traffic you get for actually important questions (technical ones) is extremely low and in every mmorpg has by far the lowest post count. all other questions can be asked in game, there is no need for official forums.
That entire post is total BS. The EQ2 forums are active, searchable and packed with information. Anyone who wants to can go over there and look. The assertion that anyone who's anyone posts on eq2flames is absurd. As I understand it, they aren't even an officially supported fansite any more. It's just a place to bash the game these days.
Official forums are generally packed with gameplay guides of all types, server and class specific discussions, answerers to everyday questions people might have. I don't think a lot of people actually believe their posts on official forums lead to gameplay changes, but they are still always the best place to find people to have those discussions with.. and certainly the most likely place for a dev to read your ideas.
eq2 has forums, they're bad, over moderated, no one cares what's written there anyway and everyone who has the slightest clue of the game posts on eq2flames instead. yet it was mentioned here as a good example of a mmorpg forum. vanguard beta forums were a mess, thousands of posts about things that were just bad (and still are), big part of those posts were straight out crap, the other part was ignored by the devs anyway. official forums don't make sense for any game, no one cares what solutions people suggest, have you ever seen a game actually implementing one of those? (maybe you have but that sure as hell seemed like a miracle to you), the traffic you get for actually important questions (technical ones) is extremely low and in every mmorpg has by far the lowest post count. all other questions can be asked in game, there is no need for official forums.
That entire post is total BS. The EQ2 forums are active, searchable and packed with information. Anyone who wants to can go over there and look. The assertion that anyone who's anyone posts on eq2flames is absurd. As I understand it, they aren't even an officially supported fansite any more. It's just a place to bash the game these days.
Official forums are generally packed with gameplay guides of all types, server and class specific discussions, answerers to everyday questions people might have. I don't think a lot of people actually believe their posts on official forums lead to gameplay changes, but they are still always the best place to find people to have those discussions with.. and certainly the most likely place for a dev to read your ideas.
qfe. also don't drag soe games into this forum...soe should never be used as a comparison unless you are discussing manure...also to those who moderate these fansites:
good luck moderating potentially millions of 10 year old wowtards....FOR FREE
Hmm, after reading this thread it seems some people feel they are good, some feel they are a waste of time from a development standpoint. You will find guides and such for a game like WAR when it launches via an easy google search. People will troll without care on any forum, but how many are willing to troll out of their way by directly emailing Mythic or using their feedback tool? It actually becomes an easy way for Mythic to separate old topics, troll posts, and spam, from real concerns. Anybody with a real issue should be using their email to contact them, GMs in game, or using the feedback tool. Imagine a game company trying to read through every post of every thread looking for valid questions? You wouldn't be interacting with the developers, you would be interacting with the forums.
I honestly think that the AoC Devs do a fantastic job on their official forums of answering good questions but almost every time they post on the boards, it turns into some people bash their post, some people think it is the second coming of god, and some people pick apart every aspect of their post trying to get exact details. This then leads to all three groups butting heads and now the forum moderators have to clean up the mess, lock threads, and ban or suspend people, and it happens every day that I am visiting. People ignore stickied topics, people ignore the search function, and then when people do a search and find the topic they need but still have a question, they get flamed for reviving an old thread.
I could care less for or against an official forum, as I said I will post all over the net, official forums would work for me though if people read stickies, followed directions, and didn't recreate thread after thread because they are too lazy to search.
good luck moderating potentially millions of 10 year old wowtards....FOR FREE
You were fine for the majority of the thread and not really trolling until this post. I don't think money is an issue for these fansites otherwise they would not have been made. To call a playerbase 10 year old "wowtards" makes me completely happy with your decision to not play Warhammer. There was an actual discussion going on in this thread for the most part but you just made your stance look bad. Would you want to see posts like forthelulz on official forums? Hell no, and it makes me cringe to see them here. Some people here come up with very valid arguments that actually make me think, like Salvatoris, Pheace, among others, and every time I think about saying, you know what, I wish you guys would get that forum, it is posts like yours that make me think not having them is for the best.
good luck moderating potentially millions of 10 year old wowtards....FOR FREE
You were fine for the majority of the thread and not really trolling until this post. I don't think money is an issue for these fansites otherwise they would not have been made. To call a playerbase 10 year old "wowtards" makes me completely happy with your decision to not play Warhammer. There was an actual discussion going on in this thread for the most part but you just made your stance look bad. Would you want to see posts like forthelulz on official forums? Hell no, and it makes me cringe to see them here. Some people here come up with very valid arguments that actually make me think, like Salvatoris, Pheace, among others, and every time I think about saying, you know what, I wish you guys would get that forum, it is posts like yours that make me think not having them is for the best.
and you think there won't be thousands of immature "barrens chat" types in this game?! you do realize that wow players now say that wow stands for Waiting On Warhammer? you expect amateur mods to deal with them? hell you can't even take one post you find offensive!
Just because other people are being immature, does not mean you have to be as well. There will not be an official forum and if you are a person of your word, you will not be playing because of it, so why still post here?
good luck moderating potentially millions of 10 year old wowtards....FOR FREE
You were fine for the majority of the thread and not really trolling until this post. I don't think money is an issue for these fansites otherwise they would not have been made. To call a playerbase 10 year old "wowtards" makes me completely happy with your decision to not play Warhammer. There was an actual discussion going on in this thread for the most part but you just made your stance look bad. Would you want to see posts like forthelulz on official forums? Hell no, and it makes me cringe to see them here. Some people here come up with very valid arguments that actually make me think, like Salvatoris, Pheace, among others, and every time I think about saying, you know what, I wish you guys would get that forum, it is posts like yours that make me think not having them is for the best.
and you think there won't be thousands of immature "barrens chat" types in this game?! you do realize that wow players now say that wow stands for Waiting On Warhammer? you expect amateur mods to deal with them? hell you can't even take one post you find offensive!
The beautiful irony of this post here is that you are no better if not worse than the people you're trying to look down on.
Originally posted by Salvatoris That entire post is total BS. awww thanks, so sweet of you. The EQ2 forums are active, searchable and packed with information. they are active, which doesn't imply anything good, they are searchable, which is a necessity of any forum.
there actually are guides to every class in the classboards, and then there are the other 99.99% of the threads. i am not going to talk about the sense of class guides... Anyone who wants to can go over there and look. The assertion that anyone who's anyone posts on eq2flames is absurd. As I understand it, they aren't even an officially supported fansite any more. It's just a place to bash the game these days. on the one side it is a place to bash, on the other side it's the one place where people actually have a clue and not every discussion over game mechanics pops up twice a week and people have to teach another crazy person how math works. Official forums are generally packed with gameplay guides of all types, server and class specific discussions, answerers to everyday questions people might have. I don't think a lot of people actually believe their posts on official forums lead to gameplay changes, but they are still always the best place to find people to have those discussions with.. and certainly the most likely place for a dev to read your ideas. fansites are generally packed with gameplay guides of all types, server and class specific discussions, answers to everyday questions people might have. devs are just as likely to take gameplay ideas from there as they are to take them from beta forums.
good luck moderating potentially millions of 10 year old wowtards....FOR FREE
You were fine for the majority of the thread and not really trolling until this post. I don't think money is an issue for these fansites otherwise they would not have been made. To call a playerbase 10 year old "wowtards" makes me completely happy with your decision to not play Warhammer. There was an actual discussion going on in this thread for the most part but you just made your stance look bad. Would you want to see posts like forthelulz on official forums? Hell no, and it makes me cringe to see them here. Some people here come up with very valid arguments that actually make me think, like Salvatoris, Pheace, among others, and every time I think about saying, you know what, I wish you guys would get that forum, it is posts like yours that make me think not having them is for the best.
and you think there won't be thousands of immature "barrens chat" types in this game?! you do realize that wow players now say that wow stands for Waiting On Warhammer? you expect amateur mods to deal with them? hell you can't even take one post you find offensive!
The beautiful irony of this post here is that you are no better if not worse than the people you're trying to look down on.
If you don't like immature try acting mature.
i am mature. just playing devil's advocate. and personally i have nothing against the barrens chat regulars.
lol they call each other worse than i have and have a better sense of humor than me. the point still stands....EA has spent more than a billion bucks buying out companies and wont spend pocket money
on a forum? they expect the community to take care of itself? laughable at best. makes me wonder why people here would support such a move...
Official forums don't work for actual information gathering. They turn into a cesspool of whining. I am glad there will be no official forums because I hate the cesspool that are WoW forums. And Of course no Official forums means EA Mythic can't delete all of the topics they don't want to see like Blizzard does.
As I have already told you, EA has nothing to do with Warhammer other than feed the GAME money. It is Mythic's choice to not run forums. Stop blaming EA. Mythic does not want official forums. Mythic! You can claim to be mature but actions speak louder than words and your actions on this board have proven otherwise. You bash EA, you bash SOE in your sig and quote, you bash WoW, you refer to WoW players as "wowtards", none of these acts are mature at all. Your profile also reads:
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Very mature.
I am trying to be nice and explain to you but you seem to keep ignoring simple facts. Mythic was acquired by EA to salvage any hope they have left as a company than can produce MMORPGs. The reason for this is because EA sees WAR and Mythic bringing in a lot of money, especially with the success that Dark Age of Camelot had in its day. EA is getting a reputation for starting MMORPGs and then killing them off before they launch. Mythic went with EA on the grounds that they still had all the say in how the game turns out, and that Mythic still gets to run things. This is why there is no official forum. Mythic decided that they do not want, nor need them. EA is a business and are interested in making money, period. EA is not going to force forums on Mythic and that is where we currently stand.
The game is going to be about hating the other realm and fighting it out every day and maybe this is why the community "can take care of itself". You may call it laughable but when DAoC was going strong it did work, and it was fine and fun. You seem like you didn't play DAoC based on your knowledge of EA and Mythic, and WAR, so I wouldn't expect you to know. Having a forum doesn't factor in to how well a game is made or how fun it is.
Official forums don't work for actual information gathering. every single mmo i have played has usefull stickies,guides,tutorials,tech support...and a place to meet fellow players They turn into a cesspool of whining. and what forum doesn't? besides sometimes people just need a place to vent their frustration. you want it on YOUR fansite instead? I am glad there will be no official forums because I hate the cesspool that are WoW forums. well good for you. good to know that if you hate something nobody should get it. maturity? And Of course no Official forums means EA Mythic can't delete all of the topics they don't want to see like Blizzard does. it's called moderation. sometimes you have to break some eggs. also brings up what will happen when EA/mythic sees something they don't like on a "approved" fansite
Official forums don't work for actual information gathering. every single mmo i have played has usefull stickies,guides,tutorials,tech support...and a place to meet fellow players They turn into a cesspool of whining. and what forum doesn't? besides sometimes people just need a place to vent their frustration. you want it on YOUR fansite instead? I am glad there will be no official forums because I hate the cesspool that are WoW forums. well good for you. good to know that if you hate something nobody should get it. maturity? And Of course no Official forums means EA Mythic can't delete all of the topics they don't want to see like Blizzard does. it's called moderation. sometimes you have to break some eggs. also brings up what will happen when EA/mythic sees something they don't like on a "approved" fansite
Everything you said in favor of official forums like having stickies, guides, tech support, tutorials, and a place to meet gamers can be said about the major fan sites. This is a stagnant battle and no sides are the winner or loser.
As I have already told you, EA has nothing to do with Warhammer other than feed the GAME money. LOL do you want to buy some swampland? It is Mythic's choice to not run forums. Stop blaming EA. Mythic does not want official forums. Mythic! You can claim to be mature but actions speak louder than words and your actions on this board have proven otherwise. You bash EA, you bash SOE in your sig and quote, you bash WoW, you refer to WoW players as "wowtards", none of these acts are mature at all. Your profile also reads:
Age 98
Location poop, KY, United States
Very mature. defending soe AND ea! how...corporate of you. as for my profile it's called a sense of humor i do suggest you get one they can be quite fun. I am trying to be nice and explain to you but you seem to keep ignoring simple facts. Mythic was acquired by EA to salvage any hope they have left as a company than can produce MMORPGs. The reason for this is because EA sees WAR and Mythic bringing in a lot of money, especially with the success that Dark Age of Camelot had in its day. EA is getting a reputation for starting MMORPGs and then killing them off before they launch. Mythic went with EA on the grounds that they still had all the say in how the game turns out, and that Mythic still gets to run things. This is why there is no official forum. Mythic decided that they do not want, nor need them. EA is a business and are interested in making money, period. EA is not going to force forums on Mythic and that is where we currently stand. i hope the game does well. i am not here to bash the game. but show me one mmo EA hasn't strangled! The game is going to be about hating the other realm and fighting it out every day and maybe this is why the community "can take care of itself". you completely miss the point yet again. it isnt that they cannot take care of themselves...it's that they shouldn't have to. You may call it laughable but when DAoC was going strong it did work, and it was fine and fun. You seem like you didn't play DAoC based on your knowledge of EA and Mythic, and WAR, so I wouldn't expect you to know. Having a forum doesn't factor in to how well a game is made or how fun it is. i tried doac. the lack of any official forum for issues and no currently updated fansite really turned me off to an old game. i'm sure there are some fansites, but considering the age and population i didn't try very hard. figured if mythic didn't care enough about their own product i shouldn't either.
As I have already told you, EA has nothing to do with Warhammer other than feed the GAME money. LOL do you want to buy some swampland? It is Mythic's choice to not run forums. Stop blaming EA. Mythic does not want official forums. Mythic! You can claim to be mature but actions speak louder than words and your actions on this board have proven otherwise. You bash EA, you bash SOE in your sig and quote, you bash WoW, you refer to WoW players as "wowtards", none of these acts are mature at all. Your profile also reads:
Age 98
Location poop, KY, United States
Very mature. defending soe AND ea! how...corporate of you. as for my profile it's called a sense of humor i do suggest you get one they can be quite fun. I am trying to be nice and explain to you but you seem to keep ignoring simple facts. Mythic was acquired by EA to salvage any hope they have left as a company than can produce MMORPGs. The reason for this is because EA sees WAR and Mythic bringing in a lot of money, especially with the success that Dark Age of Camelot had in its day. EA is getting a reputation for starting MMORPGs and then killing them off before they launch. Mythic went with EA on the grounds that they still had all the say in how the game turns out, and that Mythic still gets to run things. This is why there is no official forum. Mythic decided that they do not want, nor need them. EA is a business and are interested in making money, period. EA is not going to force forums on Mythic and that is where we currently stand. i hope the game does well. i am not here to bash the game. but show me one mmo EA hasn't strangled! The game is going to be about hating the other realm and fighting it out every day and maybe this is why the community "can take care of itself". you completely miss the point yet again. it isnt that they cannot take care of themselves...it's that they shouldn't have to. You may call it laughable but when DAoC was going strong it did work, and it was fine and fun. You seem like you didn't play DAoC based on your knowledge of EA and Mythic, and WAR, so I wouldn't expect you to know. Having a forum doesn't factor in to how well a game is made or how fun it is. i tried doac. the lack of any official forum for issues and no currently updated fansite really turned me off to an old game. i'm sure there are some fansites, but considering the age and population i didn't try very hard. figured if mythic didn't care enough about their own product i shouldn't either.
I know, YOU TRIED to get into a game that was what, six years old and knowing that Mythic was making a new MMORPG during that time? Nobody said Garth and those guys HAS to have these forums, they WANT to. Nope, I do not want to buy some swampland but obviously I know much more about Mythic, EA, and their merge than you think that you do, and that is the point. You are saying show you an MMO that they didn't kill, AND THIS IS THE MAIN REASON THAT THEY BOUGHT MYTHIC! What don't you understand about that? They know they weren't a good mmo company, they know Mythic did very well. Put 2 and 2 together. Mythic can make one hell of a game and turn EAs mmo reputation around.
Well, I read all the posts here, and I do disagree with Mark's opinion about the value/feasibility of official forums. He sites Blizzard/WOW as a company that can afford to pay for official forums, meanwhile forgetting that EA certainly can't be considered a small, underfunded company that can't afford to.
Then he gets to the real meat of the discussion, basically admitting that he has neither the desire nor apparently the ability to manage something as simple as a forum. Its sort of amazing since fan forums seem to do it all the time, with far less resources at their command than Mythic can command.
Also, he states official forums are uncontrollable failures, but Lineage 2, EVE and a quite a few other games seem to refute that hypothesis.
In the end, it seems the real reason is that he doesn't care for him or his staff to be criticized, which is a very weak response. Case in point, we used to have a Mythic rep on these forums, but apparently the naked critcism was too much for them, and you haven't seen anyone here in at least 6 months.
And to the many posters here who claim Mythic did fine without them in DAOC, I put forth you are wrong. I was there, and I feel some of the classic mistakes made in the game (TOA anyone) were a direct result of Mythic completely mis-reading their core market. As for that player poll they have, it was added long after their many mistakes in an attempt to correct the situation. No way to tell if it really did any good since the game was in strong decline at that point. (though they do get huge props for creating classic servers)
Oh well, not having official forums won't keep me from playing, though it is a strike against them that might one day tip the scales so that I play AION, AOC or something else in the long term.
Its their game, they are free to chose to deliver it in what ever fashion suits them. If I really don't like it I'll go out an develop my own game oneday.
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Oh well, not having official forums won't keep me from playing, though it is a strike against them that might one day tip the scales so that I play AION, AOC or something else in the long term. Its their game, they are free to chose to deliver it in what ever fashion suits them. If I really don't like it I'll go out an develop my own game oneday.
Now you sir, are the type of poster I can agree with.
Ok i got a warning for a post on this thread , one i was serious not trolling , yes i may have been agressive but i backed up my statement.
However thats not the story this is.
On WoW i can say anything i want, on other mmo forusm with 200k+ member s i can pretty much say whatever i want.
Why?
Simple, too many post for the number of people they have moding them.
On the OFFICIAL WoW forums i can harass a Emo child to suicide before a mod check it out.
However, on this forum i post a post sing that i have defeated the OP (using one word) and that he is looking at this from a genetically dirived cognitive process in which a person looks at their surroundings from there location and ideas.
And what happened? I got a warning and my post was deleted.... Ok , that would never happen for what i did on any Offical forum unles sit only has like <50k playing.
So what awful thing did i type ill show you minus soem letters , and the reason why im taking this chance is becuase i think it makes the point very well.
The following is my orginal post minus some letters so that it does not troll anyone,
"
OP did you need offical forums to figure this out?
OH you just got *****.
See how that worked, no official forums and you still got the info.
~********** viewpoint.~"
PS. none of the words were cuss words.
So lets compare this. I took like 30 sec to head over to wow forums drop an search and here we go.
Ok those are just 3, but all of them pretty much have no point , minus one which is totaly high-jacked into talking about stealing someones mom.
So anyway , how are those superior to a site were if you have an issue or problem you can post ask for help and avoid the spam?
I don't know this is the OP's job i don't see it. PS if you want a forum to GO wild in you can find them .
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As I have already told you, EA has nothing to do with Warhammer other than feed the GAME money. LOL do you want to buy some swampland? It is Mythic's choice to not run forums. Stop blaming EA. Mythic does not want official forums. Mythic! You can claim to be mature but actions speak louder than words and your actions on this board have proven otherwise. You bash EA, you bash SOE in your sig and quote, you bash WoW, you refer to WoW players as "wowtards", none of these acts are mature at all. Your profile also reads:
Age 98
Location poop, KY, United States
Very mature. defending soe AND ea! how...corporate of you. as for my profile it's called a sense of humor i do suggest you get one they can be quite fun. I am trying to be nice and explain to you but you seem to keep ignoring simple facts. Mythic was acquired by EA to salvage any hope they have left as a company than can produce MMORPGs. The reason for this is because EA sees WAR and Mythic bringing in a lot of money, especially with the success that Dark Age of Camelot had in its day. EA is getting a reputation for starting MMORPGs and then killing them off before they launch. Mythic went with EA on the grounds that they still had all the say in how the game turns out, and that Mythic still gets to run things. This is why there is no official forum. Mythic decided that they do not want, nor need them. EA is a business and are interested in making money, period. EA is not going to force forums on Mythic and that is where we currently stand. i hope the game does well. i am not here to bash the game. but show me one mmo EA hasn't strangled! The game is going to be about hating the other realm and fighting it out every day and maybe this is why the community "can take care of itself". you completely miss the point yet again. it isnt that they cannot take care of themselves...it's that they shouldn't have to. You may call it laughable but when DAoC was going strong it did work, and it was fine and fun. You seem like you didn't play DAoC based on your knowledge of EA and Mythic, and WAR, so I wouldn't expect you to know. Having a forum doesn't factor in to how well a game is made or how fun it is. i tried doac. the lack of any official forum for issues and no currently updated fansite really turned me off to an old game. i'm sure there are some fansites, but considering the age and population i didn't try very hard. figured if mythic didn't care enough about their own product i shouldn't either.
I know, YOU TRIED to get into a game that was what, six years old and knowing that Mythic was making a new MMORPG during that time? Nobody said Garth and those guys HAS to have these forums, they WANT to. Nope, I do not want to buy some swampland but obviously I know much more about Mythic, EA, and their merge than you think that you do, and that is the point. You are saying show you an MMO that they didn't kill, AND THIS IS THE MAIN REASON THAT THEY BOUGHT MYTHIC! What don't you understand about that? They know they weren't a good mmo company, they know Mythic did very well. Put 2 and 2 together. Mythic can make one hell of a game and turn EAs mmo reputation around.
i know more about EA than you think. i won't go into it here because like i said i wish the game well. also hearing the truth might effect weather people play this game...i don't want that. i just jumped in to defend my fellow gamers in what i see as miserly behavior.
As I have already told you, EA has nothing to do with Warhammer other than feed the GAME money. LOL do you want to buy some swampland?
I find your your absolute certainity that WAR is going to bomb a bit frightening...
I'm usually prudent enough to give benefit of a doubt to subjects I can't be 100% sure of.
I share your dislike of corporate gobbling up of the industry but imo your (pretty much justified) hatred is clouding your perception.
We'll see after the release.
i don't think that warhammer will bomb. in fact it is the one game that could topple wow from it's perch. that's my point. a game this big...and important...deserves it's own forum.
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eq2 has forums, they're bad, over moderated, no one cares what's written there anyway and everyone who has the slightest clue of the game posts on eq2flames instead. yet it was mentioned here as a good example of a mmorpg forum.
vanguard beta forums were a mess, thousands of posts about things that were just bad (and still are), big part of those posts were straight out crap, the other part was ignored by the devs anyway.
official forums don't make sense for any game, no one cares what solutions people suggest, have you ever seen a game actually implementing one of those? (maybe you have but that sure as hell seemed like a miracle to you), the traffic you get for actually important questions (technical ones) is extremely low and in every mmorpg has by far the lowest post count. all other questions can be asked in game, there is no need for official forums.
It's just plain lazy on their part not to have them... and it's a service I have come to expect for my 15 bucks a month. I'd rather skip this game all together than have the only dev interaction be three random softball questions of their choice answered every Friday like the do with DAoC.
I think the only people who are really vocally supportive of this idea are associated with one of the fansites to begin with... since those are the only people with anything to gain by not having official forums.
lol. there you go! same thing happened to me when i tried doac. i gave up. also..i agree about the idea being supported by people associated with the fansites....what's in this for them?
http://www.soesucks.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10
That is the argument. They aren't NEEDED, but they are nice to have.
they are nice to have because then people feel like someone cares, yea.
there are 4 types of posts on mmorpg forum (from common to rare):
- troll posts
- suggestions
- questions that have been asked before
- new questions
the first three types are either ignored or unnecessary, yet they make up the by far biggest part of any forum, it's just not worth that, really.
That entire post is total BS. The EQ2 forums are active, searchable and packed with information. Anyone who wants to can go over there and look. The assertion that anyone who's anyone posts on eq2flames is absurd. As I understand it, they aren't even an officially supported fansite any more. It's just a place to bash the game these days.
Official forums are generally packed with gameplay guides of all types, server and class specific discussions, answerers to everyday questions people might have. I don't think a lot of people actually believe their posts on official forums lead to gameplay changes, but they are still always the best place to find people to have those discussions with.. and certainly the most likely place for a dev to read your ideas.
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That entire post is total BS. The EQ2 forums are active, searchable and packed with information. Anyone who wants to can go over there and look. The assertion that anyone who's anyone posts on eq2flames is absurd. As I understand it, they aren't even an officially supported fansite any more. It's just a place to bash the game these days.
Official forums are generally packed with gameplay guides of all types, server and class specific discussions, answerers to everyday questions people might have. I don't think a lot of people actually believe their posts on official forums lead to gameplay changes, but they are still always the best place to find people to have those discussions with.. and certainly the most likely place for a dev to read your ideas.
qfe. also don't drag soe games into this forum...soe should never be used as a comparison unless you are discussing manure...also to those who moderate these fansites:good luck moderating potentially millions of 10 year old wowtards....FOR FREE
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Hmm, after reading this thread it seems some people feel they are good, some feel they are a waste of time from a development standpoint. You will find guides and such for a game like WAR when it launches via an easy google search. People will troll without care on any forum, but how many are willing to troll out of their way by directly emailing Mythic or using their feedback tool? It actually becomes an easy way for Mythic to separate old topics, troll posts, and spam, from real concerns. Anybody with a real issue should be using their email to contact them, GMs in game, or using the feedback tool. Imagine a game company trying to read through every post of every thread looking for valid questions? You wouldn't be interacting with the developers, you would be interacting with the forums.
I honestly think that the AoC Devs do a fantastic job on their official forums of answering good questions but almost every time they post on the boards, it turns into some people bash their post, some people think it is the second coming of god, and some people pick apart every aspect of their post trying to get exact details. This then leads to all three groups butting heads and now the forum moderators have to clean up the mess, lock threads, and ban or suspend people, and it happens every day that I am visiting. People ignore stickied topics, people ignore the search function, and then when people do a search and find the topic they need but still have a question, they get flamed for reviving an old thread.
I could care less for or against an official forum, as I said I will post all over the net, official forums would work for me though if people read stickies, followed directions, and didn't recreate thread after thread because they are too lazy to search.
You were fine for the majority of the thread and not really trolling until this post. I don't think money is an issue for these fansites otherwise they would not have been made. To call a playerbase 10 year old "wowtards" makes me completely happy with your decision to not play Warhammer. There was an actual discussion going on in this thread for the most part but you just made your stance look bad. Would you want to see posts like forthelulz on official forums? Hell no, and it makes me cringe to see them here. Some people here come up with very valid arguments that actually make me think, like Salvatoris, Pheace, among others, and every time I think about saying, you know what, I wish you guys would get that forum, it is posts like yours that make me think not having them is for the best.
You were fine for the majority of the thread and not really trolling until this post. I don't think money is an issue for these fansites otherwise they would not have been made. To call a playerbase 10 year old "wowtards" makes me completely happy with your decision to not play Warhammer. There was an actual discussion going on in this thread for the most part but you just made your stance look bad. Would you want to see posts like forthelulz on official forums? Hell no, and it makes me cringe to see them here. Some people here come up with very valid arguments that actually make me think, like Salvatoris, Pheace, among others, and every time I think about saying, you know what, I wish you guys would get that forum, it is posts like yours that make me think not having them is for the best.
and you think there won't be thousands of immature "barrens chat" types in this game?! you do realize that wow players now say that wow stands for Waiting On Warhammer? you expect amateur mods to deal with them? hell you can't even take one post you find offensive!
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Just because other people are being immature, does not mean you have to be as well. There will not be an official forum and if you are a person of your word, you will not be playing because of it, so why still post here?
You were fine for the majority of the thread and not really trolling until this post. I don't think money is an issue for these fansites otherwise they would not have been made. To call a playerbase 10 year old "wowtards" makes me completely happy with your decision to not play Warhammer. There was an actual discussion going on in this thread for the most part but you just made your stance look bad. Would you want to see posts like forthelulz on official forums? Hell no, and it makes me cringe to see them here. Some people here come up with very valid arguments that actually make me think, like Salvatoris, Pheace, among others, and every time I think about saying, you know what, I wish you guys would get that forum, it is posts like yours that make me think not having them is for the best.
and you think there won't be thousands of immature "barrens chat" types in this game?! you do realize that wow players now say that wow stands for Waiting On Warhammer? you expect amateur mods to deal with them? hell you can't even take one post you find offensive!
The beautiful irony of this post here is that you are no better if not worse than the people you're trying to look down on.
If you don't like immature try acting mature.
You were fine for the majority of the thread and not really trolling until this post. I don't think money is an issue for these fansites otherwise they would not have been made. To call a playerbase 10 year old "wowtards" makes me completely happy with your decision to not play Warhammer. There was an actual discussion going on in this thread for the most part but you just made your stance look bad. Would you want to see posts like forthelulz on official forums? Hell no, and it makes me cringe to see them here. Some people here come up with very valid arguments that actually make me think, like Salvatoris, Pheace, among others, and every time I think about saying, you know what, I wish you guys would get that forum, it is posts like yours that make me think not having them is for the best.
and you think there won't be thousands of immature "barrens chat" types in this game?! you do realize that wow players now say that wow stands for Waiting On Warhammer? you expect amateur mods to deal with them? hell you can't even take one post you find offensive!
The beautiful irony of this post here is that you are no better if not worse than the people you're trying to look down on.
If you don't like immature try acting mature.
i am mature. just playing devil's advocate. and personally i have nothing against the barrens chat regulars.lol they call each other worse than i have and have a better sense of humor than me. the point still stands....EA has spent more than a billion bucks buying out companies and wont spend pocket money
on a forum? they expect the community to take care of itself? laughable at best. makes me wonder why people here would support such a move...
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Exactly my thought as well. Good response Cabe
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As I have already told you, EA has nothing to do with Warhammer other than feed the GAME money. It is Mythic's choice to not run forums. Stop blaming EA. Mythic does not want official forums. Mythic! You can claim to be mature but actions speak louder than words and your actions on this board have proven otherwise. You bash EA, you bash SOE in your sig and quote, you bash WoW, you refer to WoW players as "wowtards", none of these acts are mature at all. Your profile also reads:
Very mature.
I am trying to be nice and explain to you but you seem to keep ignoring simple facts. Mythic was acquired by EA to salvage any hope they have left as a company than can produce MMORPGs. The reason for this is because EA sees WAR and Mythic bringing in a lot of money, especially with the success that Dark Age of Camelot had in its day. EA is getting a reputation for starting MMORPGs and then killing them off before they launch. Mythic went with EA on the grounds that they still had all the say in how the game turns out, and that Mythic still gets to run things. This is why there is no official forum. Mythic decided that they do not want, nor need them. EA is a business and are interested in making money, period. EA is not going to force forums on Mythic and that is where we currently stand.
The game is going to be about hating the other realm and fighting it out every day and maybe this is why the community "can take care of itself". You may call it laughable but when DAoC was going strong it did work, and it was fine and fun. You seem like you didn't play DAoC based on your knowledge of EA and Mythic, and WAR, so I wouldn't expect you to know. Having a forum doesn't factor in to how well a game is made or how fun it is.
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Everything you said in favor of official forums like having stickies, guides, tech support, tutorials, and a place to meet gamers can be said about the major fan sites. This is a stagnant battle and no sides are the winner or loser.
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I know, YOU TRIED to get into a game that was what, six years old and knowing that Mythic was making a new MMORPG during that time? Nobody said Garth and those guys HAS to have these forums, they WANT to. Nope, I do not want to buy some swampland but obviously I know much more about Mythic, EA, and their merge than you think that you do, and that is the point. You are saying show you an MMO that they didn't kill, AND THIS IS THE MAIN REASON THAT THEY BOUGHT MYTHIC! What don't you understand about that? They know they weren't a good mmo company, they know Mythic did very well. Put 2 and 2 together. Mythic can make one hell of a game and turn EAs mmo reputation around.
Well, I read all the posts here, and I do disagree with Mark's opinion about the value/feasibility of official forums. He sites Blizzard/WOW as a company that can afford to pay for official forums, meanwhile forgetting that EA certainly can't be considered a small, underfunded company that can't afford to.
Then he gets to the real meat of the discussion, basically admitting that he has neither the desire nor apparently the ability to manage something as simple as a forum. Its sort of amazing since fan forums seem to do it all the time, with far less resources at their command than Mythic can command.
Also, he states official forums are uncontrollable failures, but Lineage 2, EVE and a quite a few other games seem to refute that hypothesis.
In the end, it seems the real reason is that he doesn't care for him or his staff to be criticized, which is a very weak response. Case in point, we used to have a Mythic rep on these forums, but apparently the naked critcism was too much for them, and you haven't seen anyone here in at least 6 months.
And to the many posters here who claim Mythic did fine without them in DAOC, I put forth you are wrong. I was there, and I feel some of the classic mistakes made in the game (TOA anyone) were a direct result of Mythic completely mis-reading their core market. As for that player poll they have, it was added long after their many mistakes in an attempt to correct the situation. No way to tell if it really did any good since the game was in strong decline at that point. (though they do get huge props for creating classic servers)
Oh well, not having official forums won't keep me from playing, though it is a strike against them that might one day tip the scales so that I play AION, AOC or something else in the long term.
Its their game, they are free to chose to deliver it in what ever fashion suits them. If I really don't like it I'll go out an develop my own game oneday.
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Now you sir, are the type of poster I can agree with.
I find your your absolute certainity that WAR is going to bomb a bit frightening...
I'm usually prudent enough to give benefit of a doubt to subjects I can't be 100% sure of.
I share your dislike of corporate gobbling up of the industry but imo your (pretty much justified) hatred is clouding your perception.
We'll see after the release.
Ok i got a warning for a post on this thread , one i was serious not trolling , yes i may have been agressive but i backed up my statement.
However thats not the story this is.
On WoW i can say anything i want, on other mmo forusm with 200k+ member s i can pretty much say whatever i want.
Why?
Simple, too many post for the number of people they have moding them.
On the OFFICIAL WoW forums i can harass a Emo child to suicide before a mod check it out.
However, on this forum i post a post sing that i have defeated the OP (using one word) and that he is looking at this from a genetically dirived cognitive process in which a person looks at their surroundings from there location and ideas.
And what happened? I got a warning and my post was deleted.... Ok , that would never happen for what i did on any Offical forum unles sit only has like <50k playing.
So what awful thing did i type ill show you minus soem letters , and the reason why im taking this chance is becuase i think it makes the point very well.
The following is my orginal post minus some letters so that it does not troll anyone,
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OP did you need offical forums to figure this out?
OH you just got *****.
See how that worked, no official forums and you still got the info.
~********** viewpoint.~"
PS. none of the words were cuss words.
So lets compare this. I took like 30 sec to head over to wow forums drop an search and here we go.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3466268307&postId=34658663640&sid=1#4
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3547794889&postId=35471870546&sid=1#24
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2041162394&postId=21999223464&sid=1#32
Ok those are just 3, but all of them pretty much have no point , minus one which is totaly high-jacked into talking about stealing someones mom.
So anyway , how are those superior to a site were if you have an issue or problem you can post ask for help and avoid the spam?
I don't know this is the OP's job i don't see it. PS if you want a forum to GO wild in you can find them .
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I know, YOU TRIED to get into a game that was what, six years old and knowing that Mythic was making a new MMORPG during that time? Nobody said Garth and those guys HAS to have these forums, they WANT to. Nope, I do not want to buy some swampland but obviously I know much more about Mythic, EA, and their merge than you think that you do, and that is the point. You are saying show you an MMO that they didn't kill, AND THIS IS THE MAIN REASON THAT THEY BOUGHT MYTHIC! What don't you understand about that? They know they weren't a good mmo company, they know Mythic did very well. Put 2 and 2 together. Mythic can make one hell of a game and turn EAs mmo reputation around.
i know more about EA than you think. i won't go into it here because like i said i wish the game well. also hearing the truth might effect weather people play this game...i don't want that. i just jumped in to defend my fellow gamers in what i see as miserly behavior.
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I find your your absolute certainity that WAR is going to bomb a bit frightening...
I'm usually prudent enough to give benefit of a doubt to subjects I can't be 100% sure of.
I share your dislike of corporate gobbling up of the industry but imo your (pretty much justified) hatred is clouding your perception.
We'll see after the release.
i don't think that warhammer will bomb. in fact it is the one game that could topple wow from it's perch. that's my point. a game this big...and important...deserves it's own forum.
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