glad to see that you see it my way now i hope you will join in the taking back of the servers
I am eager to spill the blood of the burbury bears and the bearinstine carewarts any time.
Said like a tanker with zero skills.
Go after PvPers on your own level or higher, and come back all bubbly -- make sure folks have pics of you decked in your underwear for the process, too.
Although I am an avid PVPer. The subject of this thred is a very narrow minded view.
any?
I played MMO's since beta SWG and was a pre cu jedi (yes I left because of NGE). PVP was a not a option. I enjoyed being hunted. Kept me on my toes. PVP worked well in the storyline. PK belonged there. If I died as a Jedi I lost very hard earned experience. In the old days you had to grind alone so your visability did not grow. If you became visable you became a player Bounty Hunters mission. Meaning you could not use your Jedi powers in front of ANYONE if you wanted to keep low on the radar.
Of course after I completed my Jedi grind I did everything in my power to become a target. I enjoyed the suprise fun.
EVE has been my longest MMO since going on 2 years. This game like SWG is all about PVP for me. I PVE to make cash. PK works great here. PK is better implemented here then any MMO on the market. When your ship gets destroyed, it really is destroyed, along with everything it is equiped with and what is in it's cargo. You can loot your enemys wreck for whatever was not destroyed in the ships explosion. Some people make a living off this.
I always thought all MMO's should have full PVP until I played LOTRO.
Although LOTRO has PVMP (monster play pvp zone), PVP in this world does not work if you plan to give any justice to the storyline. Open world PVP just don't fit. Many insult this as a limit, but this game is based on a very specific story. It does allow freedom for you to choose your road, but as a common force in the story Tolken wrote.
Maybe some more pvp zones inside the story can fit. I'm sure some more will pop up. I don't enjoy the PVP here because it's that no risk insta spawn. I can't stand PVP with no risk insta spawn.
LOTRO supprised the hell out of me when I tried it and got hooked. A true MMORPG that works without PVP. It has become my change of pace MMO from EVE (although I don't plan to leave my pvp game).
To just throw pvp into LOTRO's world openly would totally cheapen the storyline and the game itself.
Not all games work with open pvp and Pk. If that's unacceptable to you? well every game on the market is not made for you. You can make a choice not to play the games that don't suit your taste.
Stop thinking the world revolves around you.
In regards to the later posts saying all Pk is just cowards?
Sir you are wrong. If a MMO has pvp I only like it when it's realistic and dangerous.
In EVE if you come into our space, you will die. If you are not friendly or have clearence to pass we will destroy you for invading our space. No way is PVP only a "fair duel" That is a horrid way to impliment pvp.
No way can you have a persistant world imersive feel in a pvp game if it's safe and consensual.
Sorry, although I see PvP as desirable (as opposed to pk, sorry pk is what drove many from UO especially when alternatives became available, because to be honest most the PK community was made up of immature asshats, and so far I haven't seen much change in the community) it has so far seemed to be borne out that it is no way necissary.
The problem with PKing is that the wolves all too often scare away the sheep (or carebears as you called them???). If the wolves showed a little bit of restraint when playing PK games there wouldn't be a problem. Sheep should be cultivated and not killed at every turn. If the wolves can't control thier blood lust then the game needs to do it for them. If you victimize a person too often they will quit playing the game - no one, and I mean NO ONE likes to be a victim.
So it falls on the Devs to implement a design that allows for sheep and wolves to coexist - the design must make both parties happy. EVE does a good job of this by punishing the sheep for leaving the pen and harming the wolf that enters the pen. The sheep took a chance to graze in the yummy green grass and was killed by a wolf - the sheep can accept that. The wolf took a chance and attacked a sheep infront of the farmer and got an ass full of buckshot - the wolf should accept this.
No community, online or otherwise, can exist that does not punish those that commit murder. If you want to PK fine, but don't cry when you're punished.
The real question is what is the proper punishment for a MMORPG murderer and who gets to determine it, the victim or the killer?
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Originally posted by Wickersham The real question is what is the proper punishment for a MMORPG murderer and who gets to determine it, the victim or the killer? The game mechanics should determine it, and the punishment should ve correspondingly harsh. I liked the way that UO and EVE did this by denying PK's safe entry into civilised areas without NPC retribution. I also like the harsh death penalties in both games.
Not really into PvP much the last time I enjoyed it was back during my DAoC days. IMO DAoC had the best set up for pvp. FFA pvp is not my ideal of a good time if I want to watch over my shoulder for a punk trying to kill me I will go back to work at the state prison at least there they only get one shot.
2) (I know this personal admission will be shocking to some) I suck at pvp.
there I admitted it. I have lost in pvp to folks 3-4 levels lower than me. I know...I am ashamed. Does this mean i fail at life? No. Just means I suck at pvp.
hehe, actually i was surprised a few weeks ago that I actually won a duel in LOTRO against someone that was one level lower than me. Yeah, I'm that bad.
I DO think PVP and perhaps PK does have a place in MMORPGs. But it has to have penalties. As someone stated earlier, if I go out IRL and kill someone...they're gonna call the cops on me at the least. Might get caught, might not, but the fact that their are penalties to killing someone most likely prevents a lot of it.
eh...but i'm a carebare
It's a proven historical fact that beer saved humankind.
Go ask Blizzard how much not having pk has hurt them.
ah but check out their community it is filled with spammers whiners and people who bitch. People have left because these people piss them off. that is where they have been hurt.
LOL ... the delusion is indeed strong in this one. I don't know how many left .. but that is probably a drop in the bucket for the subscriptions that they have ADDED. They GREW subscriptions every year, you know.
1) the well documented griefers and 2) (I know this personal admission will be shocking to some) I suck at pvp.
there I admitted it. I have lost in pvp to folks 3-4 levels lower than me. I know...I am ashamed. Does this mean i fail at life? No. Just means I suck at pvp. hehe, actually i was surprised a few weeks ago that I actually won a duel in LOTRO against someone that was one level lower than me. Yeah, I'm that bad. I DO think PVP and perhaps PK does have a place in MMORPGs. But it has to have penalties. As someone stated earlier, if I go out IRL and kill someone...they're gonna call the cops on me at the least. Might get caught, might not, but the fact that their are penalties to killing someone most likely prevents a lot of it. eh...but i'm a carebare
yes they do need badly a penalty like they did in UO (no safe protection from NPC) i makes people think twice about it. i also want to be able to fully loot your corpse to take what youn have (inside UO,D1,EQ1,L2 ect.have this feature) it provides a bonus and more of a reason to kill higher levels and those goldfarmers. I would love to see penalties open pvp everywhere, and full loot everywhere.
Go ask Blizzard how much not having pk has hurt them.
ah but check out their community it is filled with spammers whiners and people who bitch. People have left because these people piss them off. that is where they have been hurt.
There are a lot more people who quit because of open PKing. In fact, I remember UO developers saying that's exactly why they dumbed down the open pk of Ultima Online somewhat, because they found out the numbers of people leaving over player killing to be enormous.
You're not the first person to say "Every game needs PK!" But saying that every game needs PK is just as ignorant as saying a PK game can't do well. There are different audiences within the mmorpg genre, some people like heavy open PVP focused MMO's, such as Lineage which still has both games close to 1 million subscribers, while other people like PVE focused MMO's.
Some like to play SIngle player First Person Shooters, other people like Multiplayer versus first person shooters.
Your whole terms of gamers are incorrect.
The term Carebear is made up by elitist pvp players who should do everyone a favor and kindly shut the hell up. There are simply people who don't like PVP. They don't go to whine to other people to save them, they will quit the game and go to a PVE game, that's why so many players left to Everquest after it came out.
Its true what you say about every game needs pk is untrue and not needed, its imposible, many dont even want normal pvp let alone open pvp.
Better say make a game of toadys standards with grafics gameplay and open pvp for all hardcore out there and you will have a great time among all who want same, answer is DARKFALL.
What OP wants and i think what he is, is a game where he can pk everybody and hope they all whine and cry about it so he can be that little elites prick:P.
Dont try to be tough there already good open pvp games around shadowbane asheron calls my favorite and still one of best out there.
But hoping for Darkfall ever to be released and meeting those loud mouths here and see how they cope in a truely open pvp game.
Im the hero you mentioned OP, hunting down rpk's for breakfast:P
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PvP is suppose to be (in the fighting sense) an HONORABLE duel between two fighters.
PK is when cowards kill anyone for fun (and use exploits; cheats; and game design flaws) to even do so.
PvP is encouraged in most MMOs; PK isn't.
Not entirly true what your saying, if you play a open pvp game with no savezones its all regualted by players you will have player killers(pvp), who have to watch also there backs becouse anti pk players hunt them down to protect those who are ganked by pk.
But this kind of games are populated by players who seek this chellenge.
shadowbane asheron calls (or in development darkfall)
In all mmo's where you have game build around pve and they implement posibillity to also pk you have the problems many are pve and want to be left alone while killing mobs they whine and cry when killed by pk.
If pvp is encourage its becouse its tailor made for all who dont want surprises know up front what to exspect know the area where pvp is aloud, these days mostly happen in small instance.
This kind of pvp is counter strike style battles for non hardcore pvp oriented players causals and carebears.
No problem in that but pk is a the true meaning of pvp killing other players not the O.o so save pvp these days in majority of games out there its not realy pvp is childplay with no danger and loss hehe.
Only thing that can happen with risk in games like wow is you have to walk to your corpse lol, and then even some whine and cry like crazy pvp is to hard in wow muahaha:P
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Originally posted by pkSlaydeyes they do need badly a penalty like they did in UO (no safe protection from NPC) i makes people think twice about it. i also want to be able to fully loot your corpse to take what youn have (inside UO,D1,EQ1,L2 ect.have this feature) it provides a bonus and more of a reason to kill higher levels and those goldfarmers. I would love to see penalties open pvp everywhere, and full loot everywhere.
There are games that cater to your style. I don't see any reason however to turn EVERY game into the game YOU want to play. With the 200+ MMOs out these days, you can't play them all anyway, can you?
Needless to say, but I don't agree with your initial statement.
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if I go out IRL and kill someone...they're gonna call the cops on me at the least. Might get caught, might not, but the fact that their are penalties to killing someone most likely prevents a lot of it. eh...but i'm a carebare
But mate, RL and MMOs... what are you doing around 99% of your gameplay in MMOs? Youre doing quests, raiding, crafting etc. Thats the main part of game. And what are you doindg in 99% of these quests? Youre KILLING... youre killing all around, small bears, frogs, fairies, youre killing orcs, humans, BIG named mobs, SMALL innocent mobs.
Man, can you compare that, to your IRL time?
For me, any MMORPG without PKing is just for kids... killing mobs with small or none computer AI is easy. But if youll try that to another, fully brained player, its not that easy, right?
I like to time my real life kills with my virtual kills.
I don't play MMO's for PvP. I find it a very unsatisafactory format for player vs player competition. Essentailly the elements of the genre that attract me don't involve that kind of challenge.
I just think there are so many better games for PvP that I can afford to own a seperate title for each.
Ah the age old PVP debate. I say if the game has it from release leave it in and expand on it. Basically people arguing fall into 2 categories.
1. Real PVPers - Want to keep PVP in the game and would like other to learn how to play the game and stop crying.
2. Carebears - OMG you are all killers in real life and you like to eat babies!!!
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
only pussies don't like pvp all these noobs want to do is farm their precious items so they can show it off without any sense of danger whatsoever UGH IT SICKENS ME
and they deserve to have their gear taken form them by a better player
only pussies don't like pvp all these noobs want to do is farm their precious items so they can show it off without any sense of danger whatsoever UGH IT SICKENS ME
and they deserve to have their gear taken form them by a better player
No actualy they do not. See they pay a monthly fee to enjoy the game how they like. If their idea of fun is standing around the bank and showing off their fancy black dyed items and frost staves than it's their right to do so.
Games are here to provide entertainment. If you fail to realize that your griefing behavior is destroying that entertainment for a lot of people, you are deeply misguided.
Oh, symphonius, only pussies don't play in traffic.
and they deserve to have their gear taken form them by a better player
No actualy they do not. See they pay a monthly fee to enjoy the game how they like. If their idea of fun is standing around the bank and showing off their fancy black dyed items and frost staves than it's their right to do so.
Games are here to provide entertainment. If you fail to realize that your griefing behavior is destroying that entertainment for a lot of people, you are deeply misguided.
Oh, symphonius, only pussies don't play in traffic.
If the game has PVP and the person knows this and still pays the monthly fee they have no right to complain.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
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I am eager to spill the blood of the burbury bears and the bearinstine carewarts any time.
I am eager to spill the blood of the burbury bears and the bearinstine carewarts any time.
Said like a tanker with zero skills.
Go after PvPers on your own level or higher, and come back all bubbly -- make sure folks have pics of you decked in your underwear for the process, too.
The "carebears" always like such, ah, exposures.
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Although I am an avid PVPer. The subject of this thred is a very narrow minded view.
any?
I played MMO's since beta SWG and was a pre cu jedi (yes I left because of NGE). PVP was a not a option. I enjoyed being hunted. Kept me on my toes. PVP worked well in the storyline. PK belonged there. If I died as a Jedi I lost very hard earned experience. In the old days you had to grind alone so your visability did not grow. If you became visable you became a player Bounty Hunters mission. Meaning you could not use your Jedi powers in front of ANYONE if you wanted to keep low on the radar.
Of course after I completed my Jedi grind I did everything in my power to become a target. I enjoyed the suprise fun.
EVE has been my longest MMO since going on 2 years. This game like SWG is all about PVP for me. I PVE to make cash. PK works great here. PK is better implemented here then any MMO on the market. When your ship gets destroyed, it really is destroyed, along with everything it is equiped with and what is in it's cargo. You can loot your enemys wreck for whatever was not destroyed in the ships explosion. Some people make a living off this.
I always thought all MMO's should have full PVP until I played LOTRO.
Although LOTRO has PVMP (monster play pvp zone), PVP in this world does not work if you plan to give any justice to the storyline. Open world PVP just don't fit. Many insult this as a limit, but this game is based on a very specific story. It does allow freedom for you to choose your road, but as a common force in the story Tolken wrote.
Maybe some more pvp zones inside the story can fit. I'm sure some more will pop up. I don't enjoy the PVP here because it's that no risk insta spawn. I can't stand PVP with no risk insta spawn.
LOTRO supprised the hell out of me when I tried it and got hooked. A true MMORPG that works without PVP. It has become my change of pace MMO from EVE (although I don't plan to leave my pvp game).
To just throw pvp into LOTRO's world openly would totally cheapen the storyline and the game itself.
Not all games work with open pvp and Pk. If that's unacceptable to you? well every game on the market is not made for you. You can make a choice not to play the games that don't suit your taste.
Stop thinking the world revolves around you.
In regards to the later posts saying all Pk is just cowards?
Sir you are wrong. If a MMO has pvp I only like it when it's realistic and dangerous.
In EVE if you come into our space, you will die. If you are not friendly or have clearence to pass we will destroy you for invading our space. No way is PVP only a "fair duel" That is a horrid way to impliment pvp.
No way can you have a persistant world imersive feel in a pvp game if it's safe and consensual.
SHOHADAKU
yeah ! pk is needed but some players abuse it..
METAL
I am eager to spill the blood of the burbury bears and the bearinstine carewarts any time.
Let Them HATE, so long as they FEAR
Sorry, although I see PvP as desirable (as opposed to pk, sorry pk is what drove many from UO especially when alternatives became available, because to be honest most the PK community was made up of immature asshats, and so far I haven't seen much change in the community) it has so far seemed to be borne out that it is no way necissary.
The problem with PKing is that the wolves all too often scare away the sheep (or carebears as you called them???). If the wolves showed a little bit of restraint when playing PK games there wouldn't be a problem. Sheep should be cultivated and not killed at every turn. If the wolves can't control thier blood lust then the game needs to do it for them. If you victimize a person too often they will quit playing the game - no one, and I mean NO ONE likes to be a victim.
So it falls on the Devs to implement a design that allows for sheep and wolves to coexist - the design must make both parties happy. EVE does a good job of this by punishing the sheep for leaving the pen and harming the wolf that enters the pen. The sheep took a chance to graze in the yummy green grass and was killed by a wolf - the sheep can accept that. The wolf took a chance and attacked a sheep infront of the farmer and got an ass full of buckshot - the wolf should accept this.
No community, online or otherwise, can exist that does not punish those that commit murder. If you want to PK fine, but don't cry when you're punished.
The real question is what is the proper punishment for a MMORPG murderer and who gets to determine it, the victim or the killer?
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Couldn't agree less with the OP.
Not really into PvP much the last time I enjoyed it was back during my DAoC days. IMO DAoC had the best set up for pvp. FFA pvp is not my ideal of a good time if I want to watch over my shoulder for a punk trying to kill me I will go back to work at the state prison at least there they only get one shot.
Different formats for different games. Everyone can agree on that because you can play the game you feel like playing.
I prefer PvP games as well but the last thing I want is more people whining on forums because they want more safe areas in PvP games.
I don't like pk or pvp because:
1) the well documented griefers
and
2) (I know this personal admission will be shocking to some) I suck at pvp.
there I admitted it. I have lost in pvp to folks 3-4 levels lower than me. I know...I am ashamed. Does this mean i fail at life? No. Just means I suck at pvp.
hehe, actually i was surprised a few weeks ago that I actually won a duel in LOTRO against someone that was one level lower than me. Yeah, I'm that bad.
I DO think PVP and perhaps PK does have a place in MMORPGs. But it has to have penalties. As someone stated earlier, if I go out IRL and kill someone...they're gonna call the cops on me at the least. Might get caught, might not, but the fact that their are penalties to killing someone most likely prevents a lot of it.
eh...but i'm a carebare
It's a proven historical fact that beer saved humankind.
HAHAHAAHAHAAAaAAaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The delusion is strong in this one.
Go ask Blizzard how much not having pk has hurt them.
ah but check out their community it is filled with spammers whiners and people who bitch. People have left because these people piss them off. that is where they have been hurt.
LOL ... the delusion is indeed strong in this one. I don't know how many left .. but that is probably a drop in the bucket for the subscriptions that they have ADDED. They GREW subscriptions every year, you know.
Let Them HATE, so long as they FEAR
HAHAHAAHAHAAAaAAaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The delusion is strong in this one.
Go ask Blizzard how much not having pk has hurt them.
ah but check out their community it is filled with spammers whiners and people who bitch. People have left because these people piss them off. that is where they have been hurt.
There are a lot more people who quit because of open PKing. In fact, I remember UO developers saying that's exactly why they dumbed down the open pk of Ultima Online somewhat, because they found out the numbers of people leaving over player killing to be enormous.
You're not the first person to say "Every game needs PK!" But saying that every game needs PK is just as ignorant as saying a PK game can't do well. There are different audiences within the mmorpg genre, some people like heavy open PVP focused MMO's, such as Lineage which still has both games close to 1 million subscribers, while other people like PVE focused MMO's.
Some like to play SIngle player First Person Shooters, other people like Multiplayer versus first person shooters.
Your whole terms of gamers are incorrect.
The term Carebear is made up by elitist pvp players who should do everyone a favor and kindly shut the hell up. There are simply people who don't like PVP. They don't go to whine to other people to save them, they will quit the game and go to a PVE game, that's why so many players left to Everquest after it came out.
Its true what you say about every game needs pk is untrue and not needed, its imposible, many dont even want normal pvp let alone open pvp.Better say make a game of toadys standards with grafics gameplay and open pvp for all hardcore out there and you will have a great time among all who want same, answer is DARKFALL.
What OP wants and i think what he is, is a game where he can pk everybody and hope they all whine and cry about it so he can be that little elites prick:P.
Dont try to be tough there already good open pvp games around shadowbane asheron calls my favorite and still one of best out there.
But hoping for Darkfall ever to be released and meeting those loud mouths here and see how they cope in a truely open pvp game.
Im the hero you mentioned OP, hunting down rpk's for breakfast:P
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
PvP is suppose to be (in the fighting sense) an HONORABLE duel between two fighters.
PK is when cowards kill anyone for fun (and use exploits; cheats; and game design flaws) to even do so.
PvP is encouraged in most MMOs; PK isn't.
Not entirly true what your saying, if you play a open pvp game with no savezones its all regualted by players you will have player killers(pvp), who have to watch also there backs becouse anti pk players hunt them down to protect those who are ganked by pk.But this kind of games are populated by players who seek this chellenge.
shadowbane asheron calls (or in development darkfall)
In all mmo's where you have game build around pve and they implement posibillity to also pk you have the problems many are pve and want to be left alone while killing mobs they whine and cry when killed by pk.
If pvp is encourage its becouse its tailor made for all who dont want surprises know up front what to exspect know the area where pvp is aloud, these days mostly happen in small instance.
This kind of pvp is counter strike style battles for non hardcore pvp oriented players causals and carebears.
No problem in that but pk is a the true meaning of pvp killing other players not the O.o so save pvp these days in majority of games out there its not realy pvp is childplay with no danger and loss hehe.
Only thing that can happen with risk in games like wow is you have to walk to your corpse lol, and then even some whine and cry like crazy pvp is to hard in wow muahaha:P
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
Let Them HATE, so long as they FEAR
Needless to say, but I don't agree with your initial statement.
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Playing: Final Fantasy Online: ARR, Destiny
Most memorable games for me: UO, GW1, LoTRO
Man, can you compare that, to your IRL time?
For me, any MMORPG without PKing is just for kids... killing mobs with small or none computer AI is easy. But if youll try that to another, fully brained player, its not that easy, right?
Thats, what is PvP and PK about.
I often shoot things out the window while I play.
I like to time my real life kills with my virtual kills.
I don't play MMO's for PvP. I find it a very unsatisafactory format for player vs player competition. Essentailly the elements of the genre that attract me don't involve that kind of challenge.
I just think there are so many better games for PvP that I can afford to own a seperate title for each.
Ah the age old PVP debate. I say if the game has it from release leave it in and expand on it. Basically people arguing fall into 2 categories.
1. Real PVPers - Want to keep PVP in the game and would like other to learn how to play the game and stop crying.
2. Carebears - OMG you are all killers in real life and you like to eat babies!!!
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
and they deserve to have their gear taken form them by a better player
Let Them HATE, so long as they FEAR
Great! Why don't u quite MMORPGs then?
Games are here to provide entertainment. If you fail to realize that your griefing behavior is destroying that entertainment for a lot of people, you are deeply misguided.
Oh, symphonius, only pussies don't play in traffic.
Games are here to provide entertainment. If you fail to realize that your griefing behavior is destroying that entertainment for a lot of people, you are deeply misguided.
Oh, symphonius, only pussies don't play in traffic.
If the game has PVP and the person knows this and still pays the monthly fee they have no right to complain.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!