OP, it sounds as if you are bashing WoW and asking the players to try LotRO instead. However you should take into account that a lot of people play WoW for the PvP (as good or bad as it may be, I'm not claiming that WoW pvp is good or bad) and LotRO just isn't a game for PvPers.
If people love questing or things like RPing then I agree and highly reccomend Lord of the Rings Online but when recruiting people you should mention the PvP so that you arn't drawing people into the game that are going to hate it and give it bad word of mouth.
I was kinda saying that they didn't add an evil side because in the books they never win in the end. They can't add a whole evil side to the game when their fate is already sealed...
I am a huge Sci Fi fan. I play Eve. I have also been playing LOTRO because I kinda fell into a copy for my birthday from my wife. I have to agree its a very polished game and I have been enjoying it. I would suggest reading about 5 MMO's that are better than World of Warcraft. Click here:
I have played about 20 MMORPGs including both WoW and LOTRO. LOTRO was among the most pointless and terrible MMORGPs I played. I quit about 10 seconds after getting to endgame (level 49 when I left) because there was nothing to do. In their quest to make stuff unfarmable they punished the casual player like me. This game was not made by experienced MMO makers like the people over at Blizzard. Currently I play neither one. While I may someday go back to WoW I will NEVER go back to LOTRO.
Wow is pointless at end game so I don't get what you're saying. Unless you like to grind the same bgs and raids over and over and get a few updated gear every big patch. LOTRO is coming out with new books like book 13 now and it's free. They are also coming out with an x-pac and will be adding more books after that, this game has a lot of room to grow. LOTRO end game is just like wows just not the same pvping options, if you can't wait for more books to come out like the one that's coming out this month with added content then yeah there's something missing and this game isn't for you. Cause imo the crafting is better,raiding is actually fun, the people are nice, there's no chuck norris jokes all the time I log in and they are always in the works making new content to add.
Ummm ok, you win, even though you SAID "most experienced MMO maker", but if you had said "most popular MMO maker", ya I could agree. How many MMO's does Blizzard have now? Experience is based on how much time and effort put into an area, Turbine was making MMO's before Blizzard, but ya you win.
Blizzard wouldn't sell you a game for 50 dollars and promise to release pointless "books" that take 4 hours to finish every 3 months. They would release a complete, state of the art game that wins every industry award and get 10 million people to subscribe (ring a bell?) Plus the game has terrible itemization and the books are pointless because there is no reason to do them. I haven't played in 6 months but when I was playing people were selling drops from the toughest raid boss in the game to merchants to cover repair costs. The lockouts are retarded, it is impossible to get groups before level 40 because no one plays the stupid game, all the hardcore people left long ago, and it gets old fast. I can have an opinion too.
Ford was making cars before Porsche... does that make them better? And I never once said anyone was the "most experienced MMO maker." WoW has more subscribers than every other game combined, no kidding. They have quickly become the best at what they do. It is a tough pill for you naysayers to swallow but it is not up for debate. They have the best game on the market and the best development and marketing teams. Maybe that will change someday but not anytime soon.
Yes you can have your own say about whatever you want. If you back read which you probably didn't I stated that I played the game since release and loved wow. I'm not bashing it at all it's a nice game, I was a big pvper so I enjoyed it a lot. Most people that played wow then tried lotro went back to wow due to lack of pvping and would cry because they would race to end game and get bored. Again I loved wow nothing like killing alliance with my lock getting full arena season 3 gear and being in the 1900s without buying points. Yet what's there really to do after getting full pvp gear and raiding kara/bt all the time? I'd rather play new content that's added more then once in a while then login and get bored after a few bgs or a raid.
And I never once said anyone was the "most experienced MMO maker."
But you did say
Originally posted by schloob
I have played about 20 MMORPGs including both WoW and LOTRO....This game was not made by experienced MMO makers like the people over at Blizzard.
Which implies that Blizzard was more experienced at making MMO's than Turbine. Yet LOTRO was Turbine's 5th MMO, and WOW was Blizzard's first.
What you have here, ladies and gentlement, is a "WOW kiddie"... at least in mentality if not in actual age. Schloob, have fun with your hampster wheel.
~~~ Currently Playing ~~~ LOTRO- Guardian Wrymstrum & Lore-master Stabler on Nimrodel.
Conan- Zoltar <Angels of Death> Guardian on Stormrage.
Ford was making cars before Porsche... does that make them better? And I never once said anyone was the "most experienced MMO maker." WoW has more subscribers than every other game combined, no kidding. They have quickly become the best at what they do. It is a tough pill for you naysayers to swallow but it is not up for debate. They have the best game on the market and the best development and marketing teams. Maybe that will change someday but not anytime soon.
More people own and drive Ford's than do Porche's, just like more people play WoW than LoTRO. And your point was?
"This game was not made by experienced MMO makers like the people over at Blizzard. " thus you disqualified all the games and experience Turbine does have, implying that Blizzard is the most experienced MMO maker. Spin it however you want, you said what you said.
Well glad you can discuss this issue based on experience. I currently am subscribed to both WoW and LoTRO. I have three level 70 characters in WoW, and very very tired of what they call an end game.
And to be honest, I don't like posts that bash WoW, I try not to myself, even though I have my issues with WoW. But I also don't like all these EMO anti LoTRO posts, in a game after 7 years of MMO play I am actually having fun. And shockingly I have fun from lvl one on, no rush for the end game.
So for one that does not like EMO anti WoW posts, realize backing it up with and EMO anti LoTRO posts discredits you.
The combat animations/dynamics/feeling is so bad in this game, it makes the whole game boring to play. I have much more fun playing even the f2p grinders; the Asians just know how to do it. All mmos are grinds. Grinding mobs or grinding quests is the same. What makes the difference is the combat. If the combat is fun then the game is fun to play. If combat is boring the game is boring. Imho they missed 2 things with this game to make it awesome: 1. good combat animations/dynamics/feeling. When you hit something you should feel it, it should be fun to fight. Why didn't they do it like in DDO ? Playing a fighter in DDO is great. When you hit with your sword its fast with some great sound and it HITS, you feel it.... In lotro its just plain fluff..... 2. open world pvp, with 2 sides in the world. Players should be able to play trolls, etc... on 1 side of the world. In the middle there should somewhere be some kind of border zone with auto-spawning npc guard (number depending on the number of attackers) to push the enemy back so it can't invade the other side of the world (to be in accordance with the lotro lore). That, would be awesome. Too bad they missed it...
Well I like the combat in LOTRO, but it isn't as fast paced as some other games. I guess it boils down to personal likes and dislikes. Sorry you couldn't get into it. As far as open world PVP, I really don't think it would work well with LOTRO. I like the fact that the monster side is not an equal faction to the free people. Making an MMO with symmetric factions has a lot of side effects. It limits the content that you get because that content has to either be generic (so that both sides can participate) or you have to exclude 1/2 the poplulation. It also forces players to choose sides. You want to play a dwarf, but your friends want to play orcs, so you get screwed (that's what I'm facing with Warhammer online ).
Besides, the ettenmoors basically delivers an open world pvp experience, just minus the possibility of ganking in lower level zones. Technically it is instanced, but it's a public instance. It's not like the battlegrounds in WOW. It's a permanent zone. There's only one, and anybody can come in at any time. In fact the only reason it's instanced is to keep lower level players from walking in, or monsters walking out (if they could somehow glitch past the instant kill npc's).
IMO the only valid complaint about pvp in lotro is that there is a lack of variety, but open world pvp wouldn't solve that problem.
~~~ Currently Playing ~~~ LOTRO- Guardian Wrymstrum & Lore-master Stabler on Nimrodel.
Conan- Zoltar <Angels of Death> Guardian on Stormrage.
----If I take 5 s%$ts, is my 6th one better than the next guys 1st s&%t?
Doesn't matter what else you posted... when you say something like that sentence... Any credibility... whoosh... right out the window.
And, since it's been reported... not sure how much you'll be posting with that name anyway. An opinion is one thing... a potty mouth is another. Grow up a bit, and learn to have a mature discussion.
Edit: Yes, I edited your original sentence... as it would have been mod edited soon anyway.
Porsche was not around during the Nazi regime, therefore Porsche did not make anything for the Nazi's. BMW was an airplane engine factory for the GERMANS, not the Nazi's. Read your history, just because something is German, doesn't mean it had the same views as the Nazi's.
As for actual subject that this topic is about, who cares what who plays? If you like WoW, play WoW, and stop pestering the people that don't like it or play it. I enjoy LOTRO, and play LOTRO. I don't care how many subscribers any MMO has, nor do I care how long an MMO has been around or the company that makes it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and entitled to play what they feel is enjoyable to them.
Ford was making cars before Porsche... does that make them better? And I never once said anyone was the "most experienced MMO maker." WoW has more subscribers than every other game combined, no kidding. They have quickly become the best at what they do. It is a tough pill for you naysayers to swallow but it is not up for debate. They have the best game on the market and the best development and marketing teams. Maybe that will change someday but not anytime soon.
If it pleases the court, I submit 'Exhibit A' of exactly why we don't want more of the stereotypical WoW' players in LoTRO.
Next time someone states about how it would be great if LoTRO could win over more of WoW's players - please use this post as an example of why that's not necessarily such a hot idea. Do we really want *that* running around in Middle Earth?
LoTRO's population is smaller than WoW's - sure. Along with most every other MMO out there. WoW's success is highly untypical of the genre - this is all common knowledge by now (or should be). But, then again, LoTRO also has a much much smaller % of folks like schloob wandering around. Quality over Quantity, I say.
Further, next time the more reasonable WoW players feel unfairly labeled, show them this guy's posts so they realize this is what we're referring to. Of course not everyone in WoW is like that. I know many who aren't. The trouble is many are.
Beyond that nothing this guy has said is worth dignifying with a direct response.
He's a troll, plain and simple.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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OP, it sounds as if you are bashing WoW and asking the players to try LotRO instead. However you should take into account that a lot of people play WoW for the PvP (as good or bad as it may be, I'm not claiming that WoW pvp is good or bad) and LotRO just isn't a game for PvPers.
If people love questing or things like RPing then I agree and highly reccomend Lord of the Rings Online but when recruiting people you should mention the PvP so that you arn't drawing people into the game that are going to hate it and give it bad word of mouth.
I was kinda saying that they didn't add an evil side because in the books they never win in the end. They can't add a whole evil side to the game when their fate is already sealed...
Sorry I misread that, and I agree with what you said above.
I am a huge Sci Fi fan. I play Eve. I have also been playing LOTRO because I kinda fell into a copy for my birthday from my wife. I have to agree its a very polished game and I have been enjoying it. I would suggest reading about 5 MMO's that are better than World of Warcraft. Click here:
I have played about 20 MMORPGs including both WoW and LOTRO. LOTRO was among the most pointless and terrible MMORGPs I played. I quit about 10 seconds after getting to endgame (level 49 when I left) because there was nothing to do. In their quest to make stuff unfarmable they punished the casual player like me. This game was not made by experienced MMO makers like the people over at Blizzard. Currently I play neither one. While I may someday go back to WoW I will NEVER go back to LOTRO.
I win, 10 million points to 150,000 points. Thanks for trying though.
Wow is pointless at end game so I don't get what you're saying. Unless you like to grind the same bgs and raids over and over and get a few updated gear every big patch. LOTRO is coming out with new books like book 13 now and it's free. They are also coming out with an x-pac and will be adding more books after that, this game has a lot of room to grow. LOTRO end game is just like wows just not the same pvping options, if you can't wait for more books to come out like the one that's coming out this month with added content then yeah there's something missing and this game isn't for you. Cause imo the crafting is better,raiding is actually fun, the people are nice, there's no chuck norris jokes all the time I log in and they are always in the works making new content to add.
Ummm ok, you win, even though you SAID "most experienced MMO maker", but if you had said "most popular MMO maker", ya I could agree. How many MMO's does Blizzard have now? Experience is based on how much time and effort put into an area, Turbine was making MMO's before Blizzard, but ya you win.
Blizzard wouldn't sell you a game for 50 dollars and promise to release pointless "books" that take 4 hours to finish every 3 months. They would release a complete, state of the art game that wins every industry award and get 10 million people to subscribe (ring a bell?) Plus the game has terrible itemization and the books are pointless because there is no reason to do them. I haven't played in 6 months but when I was playing people were selling drops from the toughest raid boss in the game to merchants to cover repair costs. The lockouts are retarded, it is impossible to get groups before level 40 because no one plays the stupid game, all the hardcore people left long ago, and it gets old fast. I can have an opinion too.
Ford was making cars before Porsche... does that make them better? And I never once said anyone was the "most experienced MMO maker." WoW has more subscribers than every other game combined, no kidding. They have quickly become the best at what they do. It is a tough pill for you naysayers to swallow but it is not up for debate. They have the best game on the market and the best development and marketing teams. Maybe that will change someday but not anytime soon.
Yes you can have your own say about whatever you want. If you back read which you probably didn't I stated that I played the game since release and loved wow. I'm not bashing it at all it's a nice game, I was a big pvper so I enjoyed it a lot. Most people that played wow then tried lotro went back to wow due to lack of pvping and would cry because they would race to end game and get bored. Again I loved wow nothing like killing alliance with my lock getting full arena season 3 gear and being in the 1900s without buying points. Yet what's there really to do after getting full pvp gear and raiding kara/bt all the time? I'd rather play new content that's added more then once in a while then login and get bored after a few bgs or a raid.
But you did say
Which implies that Blizzard was more experienced at making MMO's than Turbine. Yet LOTRO was Turbine's 5th MMO, and WOW was Blizzard's first.
What you have here, ladies and gentlement, is a "WOW kiddie"... at least in mentality if not in actual age. Schloob, have fun with your hampster wheel.
~~~ Currently Playing ~~~
LOTRO- Guardian Wrymstrum & Lore-master Stabler on Nimrodel.
Conan- Zoltar <Angels of Death> Guardian on Stormrage.
More people own and drive Ford's than do Porche's, just like more people play WoW than LoTRO. And your point was?
"This game was not made by experienced MMO makers like the people over at Blizzard. " thus you disqualified all the games and experience Turbine does have, implying that Blizzard is the most experienced MMO maker. Spin it however you want, you said what you said.
Thats right, Blizzard will charge $40.00 for an exp that takes 2 yrs to make and only 1 week worth of content, if even that.
Kemih ~ 13 Red Mage | Currently playing FFXI & LOTRO, awaiting Warhammer Online & Aion...
Well glad you can discuss this issue based on experience. I currently am subscribed to both WoW and LoTRO. I have three level 70 characters in WoW, and very very tired of what they call an end game.
And to be honest, I don't like posts that bash WoW, I try not to myself, even though I have my issues with WoW. But I also don't like all these EMO anti LoTRO posts, in a game after 7 years of MMO play I am actually having fun. And shockingly I have fun from lvl one on, no rush for the end game.
So for one that does not like EMO anti WoW posts, realize backing it up with and EMO anti LoTRO posts discredits you.
Well I like the combat in LOTRO, but it isn't as fast paced as some other games. I guess it boils down to personal likes and dislikes. Sorry you couldn't get into it. As far as open world PVP, I really don't think it would work well with LOTRO. I like the fact that the monster side is not an equal faction to the free people. Making an MMO with symmetric factions has a lot of side effects. It limits the content that you get because that content has to either be generic (so that both sides can participate) or you have to exclude 1/2 the poplulation. It also forces players to choose sides. You want to play a dwarf, but your friends want to play orcs, so you get screwed (that's what I'm facing with Warhammer online
).
Besides, the ettenmoors basically delivers an open world pvp experience, just minus the possibility of ganking in lower level zones. Technically it is instanced, but it's a public instance. It's not like the battlegrounds in WOW. It's a permanent zone. There's only one, and anybody can come in at any time. In fact the only reason it's instanced is to keep lower level players from walking in, or monsters walking out (if they could somehow glitch past the instant kill npc's).
IMO the only valid complaint about pvp in lotro is that there is a lack of variety, but open world pvp wouldn't solve that problem.
~~~ Currently Playing ~~~
LOTRO- Guardian Wrymstrum & Lore-master Stabler on Nimrodel.
Conan- Zoltar <Angels of Death> Guardian on Stormrage.
Hell yes. I'd take a Ford GT any day of the week! American Muscle FTW!!
Hell yes. I'd take a Ford GT any day of the week! American Muscle FTW!!
Henry Ford! Founder of the Ford Motor Corporation and raging antisemite FTL!
Doesn't matter what else you posted... when you say something like that sentence...
Any credibility... whoosh... right out the window.
And, since it's been reported... not sure how much you'll be posting with that name anyway. An opinion is one thing... a potty mouth is another. Grow up a bit, and learn to have a mature discussion.
Edit: Yes, I edited your original sentence... as it would have been mod edited soon anyway.
Not necessarily. But you said experience, not quality.
The point is you should have just admitted you were wrong in the first place instead of continuing to BS and dig a deeper hole.
~~~ Currently Playing ~~~
LOTRO- Guardian Wrymstrum & Lore-master Stabler on Nimrodel.
Conan- Zoltar <Angels of Death> Guardian on Stormrage.
So, as I said before, I'll take a Ford over a Porsche any day of the week. F T W !
Porsche was not around during the Nazi regime, therefore Porsche did not make anything for the Nazi's. BMW was an airplane engine factory for the GERMANS, not the Nazi's. Read your history, just because something is German, doesn't mean it had the same views as the Nazi's.
As for actual subject that this topic is about, who cares what who plays? If you like WoW, play WoW, and stop pestering the people that don't like it or play it. I enjoy LOTRO, and play LOTRO. I don't care how many subscribers any MMO has, nor do I care how long an MMO has been around or the company that makes it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and entitled to play what they feel is enjoyable to them.
im having fun with it.. its more fun that WoW to me...
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If it pleases the court, I submit 'Exhibit A' of exactly why we don't want more of the stereotypical WoW' players in LoTRO.
Next time someone states about how it would be great if LoTRO could win over more of WoW's players - please use this post as an example of why that's not necessarily such a hot idea. Do we really want *that* running around in Middle Earth?
LoTRO's population is smaller than WoW's - sure. Along with most every other MMO out there. WoW's success is highly untypical of the genre - this is all common knowledge by now (or should be). But, then again, LoTRO also has a much much smaller % of folks like schloob wandering around. Quality over Quantity, I say.
Further, next time the more reasonable WoW players feel unfairly labeled, show them this guy's posts so they realize this is what we're referring to. Of course not everyone in WoW is like that. I know many who aren't. The trouble is many are.
Beyond that nothing this guy has said is worth dignifying with a direct response.
He's a troll, plain and simple.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops