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Okay for the last time.
To all the Haters. YOU must follow the same ruleset you keep pushing on the fans of darkfall.
Niether the haters nor the fans can prove anything so why do you still keep asking us why we have no proof? We have shown you screenshots, videos and even linked you to all the data we have on Darkfall but still you keep asking why we can prove it.
The haters cant prove Darkfall is not a real game, the Haters cannot prove darkfall is vaporware, The haters cant prove anymore about their case then us fans.
The haters cannot accpet the fact that all they use to bash darkfall is opinions and the fans use opinions and Developer post to prove our point.
So you haters, let me ask you a question? Can you prove AoC is a real game? Since there is an NDA how do we know they have real beta testers? How do we know they are not using bots and posting under different forum handles? How do we know AoC is a real game since we cant go out and buy it right now, we cant see in game play beside what the Developers show us just like Darkfall.
So show me proof that AoC is any more real then Darkfall without using any opinions or Developer post or video's because they dont work for us fans trying to proof Darkfall is real.
You haters create rules to shoot down our links and other information. So lets see what you can do when we enforce the same ruleset you force on us.
AoC (insert any unreleased game) is vaporware till we see it released. That is the same as saying Darkfall is vaporware till we see it released.
Darkfall is not any more fake or real then WAR or AoC are right now.
Sooner or Later
Hehe.=)
Completely true, i would imagine that most haters are around the age of 10-14, judging by their grammar and spelling.
Anyway nothing is 100% certainty except math, for example - how can one prove that a tree really does exist, and our senses of touch, vision, and smell are simply not playing tricks on us - fact is you can't.
The percentage of darkfall existing is probably around 90% given the evidence we have seen, whether people decide to keep the same old vaporware argument going, time will tell and believers won't be discouraged.
Thanks for reading.
Sorry this is Off topic but Math is not Certain either. Numbers and counting are man made, same with math
Sooner or Later
LOL the haters are so damn funny desperate times ask for desperate measures i guess
Nothing of substance in the article, so I'm going back to buttering my toast. Oh look, the Madonna!
I prefer a non-existent game with cool and original features to games made by unimaginative, lazy and greedy developers.
The game they provide use the same old crappy mechanics, only with slightly different content and, in the end, might even be worse than the games they copy. And those don't get bashed as much. Go figure oO.
Many People are just happy with something new even if it sucks:
Oh noes...No Big Brother episode today... Oh! Woot! American Idol!
Unfortunately, MMO companies will feed us the same shit for a looooooong time, and most players will be OK with that.
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It is getting a bit sad that the fans of this game need to resort to showing articles from years ago to prove this game is legit.
It is the developers fault, they could end all this debate and make this forum an actual place to discuss Darkfall rather than a place to wonder if it exists at all. Yet for some reasons for the last 7 years they seem to be living in Lala land where they seem to think they can tout all their features without once ever proving they actually have them.
I really doubt this game will be what they say it is, I have been following this game for almost 7 1/2 years now. And still 90% of the things they say are not proven. And still they have not demonstrated their game to the press, or at least to someone that has any credibility.
Hopefully they will prove us wrong at some point this year, but we have been saying that for 7 years now. This will be the last year they have a chance atleast to go into beta, I think if they do not release by early 2009 they are really stuffed since they will actually have competitors in the market for example APB, and Earthrise both offer the freedom of gameplay that Darkfall touts.
Edit: btw I do think this game will release at some point, but because of the way the team handles it self, does not prove their features etc it will be a huge risk when it comes out in terms of wasting money on the game.
Even if they did release it and it had half of the features they say, from the looks of things their customer and product support will be terrible. They really need to start acting like a normal company if they want these 'fears' to go away.
Well just to show they dont care what you think because in the end there telling the truth and its your fault if you dont believe them they told us there not going to hold are heands only reason taso does journal is because we asked him to we should be great ful. They dont want to show us the game until its ready to be shown so when beta starts its ready. until then go away already we dont care what you say
If you do not care what people say then stop jumping in every thread belittling people with your butchered English.
And at the end of the day if you do not see the problem with a gaming company not advertising their game, proving that it works, whom also believe it is a privilege for their fans to get information about their game then that is your problem.
Since at the end of the day you will be the sap that pays money for their product even though they have never even shown it to anyone.
edit: You also seem to think that they listen to their fans, if that was the case they would of proved their game is legit years ago and we would not even be having this conversation.
If you do not care what people say then stop jumping in every thread belittling people with your butchered English.
And at the end of the day if you do not see the problem with a gaming company not advertising their game, proving that it works, whom also believe it is a privilege for their fans to get information about their game then that is your problem.
Since at the end of the day you will be the sap that pays money for their product even though they have never even shown it to anyone.
edit: You also seem to think that they listen to their fans, if that was the case they would of proved their game is legit years ago and we would not even be having this conversation.
Yet another hater that has no idea what they are talking about.
The Developers have already stated a few times now that NO CUSTOMER will pay before they get to try the game out. So honestly what do we have to lose waiting for this game?
We can wait 10 more years or 1 more month for Darkfall because it cost me nothing at all to sit here and wait for it, not a single dime. It doesnt matter if the game never sees the light of day and I have been waiting for nothing because it will not cost me anything.
If it gets to the point were Darkfall is nothing coming out, then I will start watching other games in Development that have the Features I want.
Features I want in my MMO.
Open World. Open Charater Development, Meaningful Crafting, Guild Cities, City Seiging, Ship combat, meaningful quest. The ability to effect the gaming world.
Sooner or Later
If you do not care what people say then stop jumping in every thread belittling people with your butchered English.
And at the end of the day if you do not see the problem with a gaming company not advertising their game, proving that it works, whom also believe it is a privilege for their fans to get information about their game then that is your problem.
Since at the end of the day you will be the sap that pays money for their product even though they have never even shown it to anyone.
edit: You also seem to think that they listen to their fans, if that was the case they would of proved their game is legit years ago and we would not even be having this conversation.
Yet another hater that has no idea what they are talking about.
The Developers have already stated a few times now that NO CUSTOMER will pay before they get to try the game out. So honestly what do we have to lose waiting for this game?
We can wait 10 more years or 1 more month for Darkfall because it cost me nothing at all to sit here and wait for it, not a single dime. It doesnt matter if the game never sees the light of day and I have been waiting for nothing because it will not cost me anything.
If it gets to the point were Darkfall is nothing coming out, then I will start watching other games in Development that have the Features I want.
Features I want in my MMO.
Open World. Open Charater Development, Meaningful Crafting, Guild Cities, City Seiging, Ship combat, meaningful quest. The ability to effect the gaming world.
You're right about the payment thing.
Though, he still DOES have a point about them not really listening to their fans at all. To be very honest...the dev journal isn't really something BIG or substantial at all. TO say that its a sign they listen to their fans is kinda silly...since it takes all of 3 minutes to type some crap up. The guy can do this after he wakes up and still have time to shower, eat, dress and be on his way.
The other big "ordeal" is that the stupid vids they have given us are comparable to things that training 3d artists and programmers do in the last years of their education as homework. Seriously, go look up some of the student class work coming out of the major gaming and technology schools...some of it even blows THIS away in terms of what they showcase.
I am not a 'hater', it is called common sense. I have been following this game since it was announced if someone hates a game they are not going to bother keeping up to date on the game are they? I like the idea of an open world, open character development etc but that does not blind me from seeing how these developers have acted in the past 7 almost 8 years.
And yes I know they have said plenty of times they do not want to charge people money which I believe they are sincere about, at the end of the day however they have still not shown the game to anyone. And even if and in Darkfalls case it is a big if, it goes into beta that will not be fully open no beta ever is. Therefore there will still people that will having nothing to go on but fans words, and the devs word that the game is good. How will they see for them selfs? by buying the game, which will obviously cost them money.
Theres alot of people that buy games on impulse. All they see is the blurb on the back of the box, so when they play the game they are expecting what that box says, as well as it being bug free, fun, well supported and worth the money they paid for it. People like that as well as the vast majority of gamers do not play the betas for these games, they go on reviews and media/hype and reputation on the game.
That is why it is a good idea to show the game to people and to gain more respect/trust from gamers and the industry. It is not just that either, it is a way of improving their reputation with gamers. This is a company that for 7 years has said they will have a beta soon and constantly pushed it back, this is a company that made its biggest fans moderators/community managers in order for them to stick with the game since they were getting fed up with the lack of information.
They have literally gone an entire year almost 2 not releasing anything about their game, they constantly release outdated looking videos and screenshots, and lastly they do not act proffestionaly the latest bashing of age of conan shows that(even though aoc devs started it).
Thats a reputation that will stick with them and effect the games success. It will not kill them to start releasing videos, reassuring their fans, and the haters as you call anyone that does not blindly follow this game, as well as the rest of the industry they are serious. They need to show up at gaming conventions, or at least get legitimate companies to play their game. And it is starting to get to late for them to do this.
Why should people trust a company like Aventurine after all the flops that have come out lately, as well as past scams ? They do not exactly give us many reasons to, yes they say they will not take money from people which I believe they mean, but they still act very strange for any company which is hard not to be worried about when you are eventually expected to invest money into their product.
Im sure you and most likely even I and the rest of people interested in Darkfall are glad to wait. The problem with that is the game will not last with just the current fans especially if their gameworld is a big as they claim, it needs other people to be interested in the game and they will not be if this game does not come out by early 2009.
There is a HUGE leap in quality coming to mmos in 2009. Like I said Earthrise, APB, etc will diminish any chance Darkfall has at being successful. It may not flop, but the game will have alot of problems if say it does as 'well' as Pirates of the burning sea is at the moment especially with a large world that the current small playerbase will be spread over.
Ask any fan of Darkfall why they wait for Darkfall. It is because there is nothing out there with the same feature set or atleast close to the sandbox hardcore PvP that Darkfall touts, if their was we would be playing it. Well in 2009 there will be games like that, how long do you think people will wait when they actually have an option to go to for a change? Even if they did, whos to say they would care about Darkfall if they get hooked on another game?
The more time these guys delay their game the more it becomes outdated, and the more time their competitors have to catch up. That is not a good thing obviously. So yes it is important for them to hurry up and prove they are not bullshitting, as well as to hurry up and get the game out the door.
It is amazing( well actually it is quite sad) that a game has not come out yet with Darkfalls feature set, maybe they should consider that and stop giving the industry a chance to come out with a game that can steal Darkfalls potential playerbase, by constantly delaying the game or constantly avoiding every chance to quell its reputation of being vapourware.
This why why beta is starting this year they cant keep it in devolpmeant nay longer they already said there nto going to delay it longer for nay publihsr reason now 1 publishers option is solved the otehr guess we will see what the next dev journal is about
I couldn't care less about Adventurine listening to their fan base or not.
Just looking at Darkfall's feature list, you can say Adventurine devs know what they are doing and why they are doing it.
And as more and more players without any clue will progressively integrate that fan base and start making stupid suggestions such as 'Dakfall needs a PvP-immunity flag system', this might not be such a good idea to listen to them.
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only 20 people? well that explains alot.
no offence but you really need 50 at least to make a decent MMO without people having to do jobs that they really should not be doing.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Age of Conan with 100+ devs working 40 hours a week minimum had to cancel a lot of their promised features because they dont have the time to implement everything.
Now you have Darkfall with 15 devs that claiming their game offer 3x what Age of Conan has
I just dont know who to believe. i just dont
Tdogskal has made a very valid point, there is no need to argue against Darkfall. DF is just a showcase of interest from a supplying vendor, until he start charging people for the final product, the vendor owes nobody anything, and the vendor has all the rights NOT to advertise his products. The vendor might not care about possible negative views from the gaming community and that is a concern of their marketing department, not me.
The same argument cuts both ways. Until Ad provides a playable beta version, they have nothing solid to prove their case, if any DF lover feel there is the need to prove a case. That means everybody is free to suspect that the whole game is a vaporware, and there is nothing to dispute them. AoC has demos, AoC has beta and is opening PVP beta to 100,000 new players in mid April. Anyone still thinking that AoC is vaporware is seriously mad. The same cannot be said for people suspecting DF now.
The comprehensive list published by Ad is not a proof of anything. Any junior school kid can list what he want to do upon maturity, and that is no proof that the kid knows how to be a president or a doctor or an accountant. Sorry admirnlson, the feature list only tells us a plan, it does not prove that Ad knows how to do it, it does not even legally bind Ad to deliver them all.
Of cos, as admiralnlson put it, he prefer a non existing game (vaporware) with full features than a game without features he desired. We all do, that is why I rather starve than eat McDonalds, that is, when I can possibly last long enough to hit another restaurant.
Yes, and it's a good thing you do. Because THAT is what you have. A non-existant game.
Yes, and it's a good thing you do. Because THAT is what you have. A non-existant game.
What part of "Games in development" do you not understand ? And really, it doesn't matter if the game exist or not. If enough ppl state that these features is what we want, someone may take notice. Until that glorious day, they will continue to publish crappy games. DF you will be able to try before buy, so really what do you worry about ?
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Yes, and it's a good thing you do. Because THAT is what you have. A non-existant game.
What part of "Games in development" do you not understand ? And really, it doesn't matter if the game exist or not. If enough ppl state that these features is what we want, someone may take notice. Until that glorious day, they will continue to publish crappy games. DF you will be able to try before buy, so really what do you worry about ?
What part of seven years and still (apparently) in alpha do YOU not understand?
How many years before I can "try before buy"? Five more years? Ten more years? Sorry, I know you can't answer that. If it was a real game, developed by half-ass devs, you would be able to guess. But in this case, sadly, you can't and won't.
It's all a matter of preference in the end. If you like your mainstream game with no freedom at all, then go play it and move along. Adventurine couldn't care less what you think.
I'll be waiting for Darkfall. I'm glad Adventurine's taking all the time they think they need to make the most wonderful MMO ever created.
No DF haters can change that, and I'll be laughing at you for a long time. That's why I regularly come to www.mmorpg.com forums anyway.
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*thumbs down*: MO, GA, FE
It's all a matter of preference in the end. If you like your mainstream game with no freedom at all, then go play it and move along. Adventurine couldn't care less what you think.
I'll be waiting for Darkfall. I'm glad Adventurine's taking all the time they think they need to make the most wonderful MMO ever created.
No DF haters can change that, and I'll be laughing at you for a long time. That's why I regularly come to www.mmorpg.com forums anyway.
I know it's kind of silly, but since DF Fans have pointed this out over several threads....It's Aventurine, NOT Adventurine.
As for the rest. Meh, this is quickly becoming a dead horse that's being beaten over and over. Personally, I couldn't care less if some people want to believe in the Developers of DF. It's their choice.
On the other hand, those same people should not tell others what to think and that there's supposedly more than enough Information about the game out there. Because there isn't and no one has as yet been able to give a good reason for that besides "They are just taking the time they need!". One little thing to take into consideration is that the industry does not work like that. You don't build a game and continue building and building for as long as you please or people would be doing that all over. Why? Because it needs money. The game is -consuming- money right now in the development process and as little as that may be with 20 Developers or whatnot, it is still a certain amount of money that is trickling out their pockets every day. Eventually, they will have no money left and where does -that- leave DF?
So please DF Fans....I am not blaming you for believing in a game. I am only blaming you for talking as though there was more than enough evidence of this game and that everyone should be able to see that. Believe the game, it is a good thing you can still trust Developers as much as you do, I for one, can't bring myself to trust that much. If at some point, Truth is revealed about DF, I will be there and see it and either know I was right in not trusting, or discover for my joy that they were not lying and are indeed making the greatest game ever (TM). So it's really a win-win situation for me.
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I have to agree with this assessment. After Vanguard got caught by M$ with the same playable demo after the first time it was presented and got caught with nothing to show for M$ money, I won't believe any game company's spin. Until they show up at DragonCon, E3 and the like with full versions of the game for the community to check out, I won't believe a word they say. The reason is simple. To date, they have shown us nothing that can pass for more than mock-ups. That isn't a slam or knock against them, that is just a simple fact about where we are with Darkfall.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
It's all a matter of preference in the end. If you like your mainstream game with no freedom at all, then go play it and move along. Adventurine couldn't care less what you think.
I'll be waiting for Darkfall. I'm glad Adventurine's taking all the time they think they need to make the most wonderful MMO ever created.
No DF haters can change that, and I'll be laughing at you for a long time. That's why I regularly come to www.mmorpg.com forums anyway.
If you want to laugh at me in 10 years, or however many decades it takes to produce "the most wonderful MMO ever created,", feel free.
Just keep smoking whatever it is you're smoking, and the years will fly by.
You laugh at me, because I'm waiting for a game which might never get released.
I laugh at you, because you're OK with playing crappy games.
Nothing wrong with both points of view, I guess.
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You laugh at me, because I'm waiting for a game which might never get released.
I laugh at you, because you're OK with playing crappy games.
Nothing wrong with both points of view, I guess.
ba freaking ZING!