This is just free advertisement for Aventurine. I think those articles are fun to read.
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
This is just free advertisement for Aventurine. I think those articles are fun to read.
Sweet!
Now all Aventurine needs is an actual product to advertise, and they will be all set!
We shall not cease from exploration and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started... and know the place for the first time. -T.S. Eliot
You don't make sense. There is no reason for them to prove anything until release or open beta. Considering they don't have a marketing department, they are probably making as much publicity as possible with as little work as possible the way they are doing things right now. I don't think its the right thing to do, but it sure beats the shameless marketing some other MMOs have had.
What does having a marketing department have to do with anything? So you really believe anytime one of the more credible gaming sites on the net. Does a hands-on preview of a game it's because the developer or even the publisher paid for it? Not all trips as those are paid for by the developer/publisher. Sometimes it is out of pocket expenses.
Do you really expect people to believe for even a moment. Considering ALL the features that Darkfall promises to bring to the table. That if they contacted a creditable gaming site/gaming mag. Saying we'd be more then happy to show you the current build of our game. That their response would be "Sure, but only if you are paying for our travel cost?" Alot of the more creditable sites even have over-sea's affiliates. That they could send in their place, just to keep the cost down.
Very good point, I have to agree with you.
I will make a speculation though: In the long run, being so dubious might have gotten them more publicity than if they were 100% credible from the start.
I don't actually think that's true, and if it was true, I don't think it's true anymore. If they did what you're proposing, and got good reviews, the hype would explode I think.
And another thing: "Considering they don't have a marketing department, they are probably making as much publicity as possible with as little work as possible the way they are doing things right now" actually seems much more accurate if we assume they don't have a game they will ever be able to release in a proper condition. I don't see what the point of that is, but still
As good as darkfall looks, they have a point. Seems to me they could.. with minimal effort, destory all the naysayers claims and add tons of free marketing..... why wont they??
Unfortunately the most simple explanation for why they don’t is they can not do so, or they do not want to.
The fact that we have to entertain elaborate explanations as to why they don’t simply show us the game like every other MMO developer If according to themselves it is feature complete and in beta make the former simplest explanations the most likely.
So we either accept they are not being truthful about the state of development, or we entertain various elaborate explanations and justifications for why they have not shown it yet.
Originally posted by Fukkfase I will make a speculation though: In the long run, being so dubious might have gotten them more publicity than if they were 100% credible from the start. If by dubious you mean show hardly anything and by credible you mean honestly show what state of development they are in. Then I agree if the true state of development was/is incapable of meeting the expectations of the community that was/has been built by all the developers promises. Then it would be in there interest to keep the truth hidden and at the same time continue to encourage and benefit from the community’s ignorant expectations based on the developers unfulfilled promises.
I don't actually think that's true, and if it was true, I don't think it's true anymore. If they did what you're proposing, and got good reviews, the hype would explode I think. The problem is they actually require an MMO beta version that is capable of getting good reviews from professional independent members of the press. But I agree if this level of expectation and excitement built up by the developers was to be actually demonstrated to be warranted it would have a huge effect on all the negativity and doubt.
And another thing: "Considering they don't have a marketing department, they are probably making as much publicity as possible with as little work as possible the way they are doing things right now" actually seems much more accurate if we assume they don't have a game they will ever be able to release in a proper condition. I don't see what the point of that is, but still The point of it is to maintain or increase the community’s interest and enthusiasm for as long as possible whilst working on the game to implement there promised features as part of the process of getting investors and publishers and any members of the press that are willing to give coverage without actually demonstrating the true state of the games development until they think doing so will be advantageous. So that they eventually might be able to meet the demands and expectations of all the promises they have made.
I’m almost certain that they have mentioned how many members they have registered on the official forums, how many posts and hits they receive, how many people signed up for there beta’s etc. to every potential investor and publisher as part of there sales pitch.
What really sucks is Darkfall is the only hope for a good MMO out there. Also seems to be the game whose future is most uncertain. All we have is the same old ezmode games like WAR and AOC that require minimal skill and all gear or level based crap to make the kiddies who lack skill feel good at games.
Why couldnt they be the vapors? I must ponder on this.....
Originally posted by Fukkfase I will make a speculation though: In the long run, being so dubious might have gotten them more publicity than if they were 100% credible from the start. If by dubious you mean show hardly anything and by credible you mean honestly show what state of development they are in. Then I agree if the true state of development was/is incapable of meeting the expectations of the community that was/has been built by all the developers promises. Then it would be in there interest to keep the truth hidden and at the same time continue to encourage and benefit from the community’s ignorant expectations based on the developers unfulfilled promises.
I don't actually think that's true, and if it was true, I don't think it's true anymore. If they did what you're proposing, and got good reviews, the hype would explode I think. The problem is they actually require an MMO beta version that is capable of getting good reviews from professional independent members of the press. But I agree if this level of expectation and excitement built up by the developers was to be actually demonstrated to be warranted it would have a huge effect on all the negativity and doubt.
And another thing: "Considering they don't have a marketing department, they are probably making as much publicity as possible with as little work as possible the way they are doing things right now" actually seems much more accurate if we assume they don't have a game they will ever be able to release in a proper condition. I don't see what the point of that is, but still The point of it is to maintain or increase the community’s interest and enthusiasm for as long as possible whilst working on the game to implement there promised features as part of the process of getting investors and publishers and any members of the press that are willing to give coverage without actually demonstrating the true state of the games development until they think doing so will be advantageous. So that they eventually might be able to meet the demands and expectations of all the promises they have made.
I’m almost certain that they have mentioned how many members they have registered on the official forums, how many posts and hits they receive, how many people signed up for there beta’s etc. to every potential investor and publisher as part of there sales pitch.
You show and present a business mechanism that is common as unusual and to be doubted.
It could be possible but not necessary true. You just interpret always the worst case to the account of DF.
And if all were the way you describe it what would be the real loss for anyone here ?
Noone has lost anything what he not willingly put into. No real money, no contractually-guaranteed online time .
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Noone has lost anything what he not willingly put into. No real money, no contractually-guaranteed online time .
I've lost time.
Time = money.
but I'm pretty sure it's going to deliver, gotta be one of the biggest failure in history if it did not. Not to mention Tasos, Claus or Kjeil (sp?) and many other's names would be known as bullshit, and that is not really smart from them if they really have nothing.
Originally posted by Fukkfase I will make a speculation though: In the long run, being so dubious might have gotten them more publicity than if they were 100% credible from the start. If by dubious you mean show hardly anything and by credible you mean honestly show what state of development they are in. Then I agree if the true state of development was/is incapable of meeting the expectations of the community that was/has been built by all the developers promises. Then it would be in there interest to keep the truth hidden and at the same time continue to encourage and benefit from the community’s ignorant expectations based on the developers unfulfilled promises.
I don't actually think that's true, and if it was true, I don't think it's true anymore. If they did what you're proposing, and got good reviews, the hype would explode I think. The problem is they actually require an MMO beta version that is capable of getting good reviews from professional independent members of the press. But I agree if this level of expectation and excitement built up by the developers was to be actually demonstrated to be warranted it would have a huge effect on all the negativity and doubt.
And another thing: "Considering they don't have a marketing department, they are probably making as much publicity as possible with as little work as possible the way they are doing things right now" actually seems much more accurate if we assume they don't have a game they will ever be able to release in a proper condition. I don't see what the point of that is, but still The point of it is to maintain or increase the community’s interest and enthusiasm for as long as possible whilst working on the game to implement there promised features as part of the process of getting investors and publishers and any members of the press that are willing to give coverage without actually demonstrating the true state of the games development until they think doing so will be advantageous. So that they eventually might be able to meet the demands and expectations of all the promises they have made.
I’m almost certain that they have mentioned how many members they have registered on the official forums, how many posts and hits they receive, how many people signed up for there beta’s etc. to every potential investor and publisher as part of there sales pitch.
You show and present a business mechanism that is common as unusual and to be doubted.
It could be possible but not necessary true. You just interpret always the worst case to the account of DF.
And if all were the way you describe it what would be the real loss for anyone here ?
Noone has lost anything what he not willingly put into. No real money, no contractually-guaranteed online time .
Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.
__________________________________________________ In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.
Well to my knowledge it isn't required or enforced by Aventurine to do so for to follow DF.
These people have the freedom to donate.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.
Well to my knowledge it isn't required or enforced by Aventurine to do so for to follow DF.
These people have the freedom to donate.
Well that's not what you said. You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released. Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.
It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"
__________________________________________________ In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.
Well to my knowledge it isn't required or enforced by Aventurine to do so for to follow DF.
These people have the freedom to donate.
Well that's not what you said. You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released. Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.
It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"
well and you should know that donations never count as loss.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.
Well to my knowledge it isn't required or enforced by Aventurine to do so for to follow DF.
These people have the freedom to donate.
Well that's not what you said. You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released. Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.
It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"
well and you should know that donations never count as loss.
.....Not really. I'm pretty sure that if the donating leads to nothing, then it's a loss.
__________________________________________________ In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.
Well to my knowledge it isn't required or enforced by Aventurine to do so for to follow DF.
These people have the freedom to donate.
Well that's not what you said. You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released. Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.
It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"
well and you should know that donations never count as loss.
.....Not really. I'm pretty sure that if the donating leads to nothing, then it's a loss.
Technically, yes it's a loss. But it's the donaters loss and the donaters fault. No blame can be put on DF for that. DF isnt asking for donations. It's like an investment I guess to the donaters. Them losing money in no way negateively reflects DF. They made a gamble and lost, they should be smarter, thats all
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This is just free advertisement for Aventurine. I think those articles are fun to read.
______________________________
The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
Now all Aventurine needs is an actual product to advertise, and they will be all set!
We shall not cease from exploration and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started... and know the place for the first time.
-T.S. Eliot
What does having a marketing department have to do with anything? So you really believe anytime one of the more credible gaming sites on the net. Does a hands-on preview of a game it's because the developer or even the publisher paid for it? Not all trips as those are paid for by the developer/publisher. Sometimes it is out of pocket expenses.
Do you really expect people to believe for even a moment. Considering ALL the features that Darkfall promises to bring to the table. That if they contacted a creditable gaming site/gaming mag. Saying we'd be more then happy to show you the current build of our game. That their response would be "Sure, but only if you are paying for our travel cost?" Alot of the more creditable sites even have over-sea's affiliates. That they could send in their place, just to keep the cost down.
Very good point, I have to agree with you.
I will make a speculation though: In the long run, being so dubious might have gotten them more publicity than if they were 100% credible from the start.
I don't actually think that's true, and if it was true, I don't think it's true anymore. If they did what you're proposing, and got good reviews, the hype would explode I think.
And another thing: "Considering they don't have a marketing department, they are probably making as much publicity as possible with as little work as possible the way they are doing things right now" actually seems much more accurate if we assume they don't have a game they will ever be able to release in a proper condition. I don't see what the point of that is, but still
Unfortunately the most simple explanation for why they don’t is they can not do so, or they do not want to.
The fact that we have to entertain elaborate explanations as to why they don’t simply show us the game like every other MMO developer If according to themselves it is feature complete and in beta make the former simplest explanations the most likely.
So we either accept they are not being truthful about the state of development, or we entertain various elaborate explanations and justifications for why they have not shown it yet.
Polarization you make great points, I think you've zeroed in on the most likely explanation anyone can make with the available information.
What really sucks is Darkfall is the only hope for a good MMO out there. Also seems to be the game whose future is most uncertain. All we have is the same old ezmode games like WAR and AOC that require minimal skill and all gear or level based crap to make the kiddies who lack skill feel good at games.
Why couldnt they be the vapors? I must ponder on this.....
You show and present a business mechanism that is common as unusual and to be doubted.
It could be possible but not necessary true. You just interpret always the worst case to the account of DF.
And if all were the way you describe it what would be the real loss for anyone here ?
Noone has lost anything what he not willingly put into. No real money, no contractually-guaranteed online time .
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I've lost time.
Time = money.
but I'm pretty sure it's going to deliver, gotta be one of the biggest failure in history if it did not. Not to mention Tasos, Claus or Kjeil (sp?) and many other's names would be known as bullshit, and that is not really smart from them if they really have nothing.
You show and present a business mechanism that is common as unusual and to be doubted.
It could be possible but not necessary true. You just interpret always the worst case to the account of DF.
And if all were the way you describe it what would be the real loss for anyone here ?
Noone has lost anything what he not willingly put into. No real money, no contractually-guaranteed online time .
Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.
__________________________________________________
In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
Well to my knowledge it isn't required or enforced by Aventurine to do so for to follow DF.
These people have the freedom to donate.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Well to my knowledge it isn't required or enforced by Aventurine to do so for to follow DF.
These people have the freedom to donate.
Well that's not what you said. You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released. Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.
It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"
__________________________________________________
In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
Well to my knowledge it isn't required or enforced by Aventurine to do so for to follow DF.
These people have the freedom to donate.
Well that's not what you said. You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released. Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.
It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"
well and you should know that donations never count as loss.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Well to my knowledge it isn't required or enforced by Aventurine to do so for to follow DF.
These people have the freedom to donate.
Well that's not what you said. You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released. Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.
It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"
well and you should know that donations never count as loss.
.....Not really. I'm pretty sure that if the donating leads to nothing, then it's a loss.
__________________________________________________
In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
Well to my knowledge it isn't required or enforced by Aventurine to do so for to follow DF.
These people have the freedom to donate.
Well that's not what you said. You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released. Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.
It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"
well and you should know that donations never count as loss.
Technically, yes it's a loss. But it's the donaters loss and the donaters fault. No blame can be put on DF for that. DF isnt asking for donations. It's like an investment I guess to the donaters. Them losing money in no way negateively reflects DF. They made a gamble and lost, they should be smarter, thats all.....Not really. I'm pretty sure that if the donating leads to nothing, then it's a loss.