Why you guys still argue with Catizone is beyond me. If you just ignore him and argue with the legitimate posters he would not get his troll food and would eventually get bored and leave. Remember that his posts are deliberately confrontational to bait you into arguing and that's it. This is what trolls do, it's the only reason they are here and if you deny them their food they will move on eventually.
Bren
He'll never leave, since 2007 his crusade against DF on Warcry is a one for all and none for him. Let him create threads and post his drivel. Free commercial for Aventurine.
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
Because if they showed videos of of of the things they claim are in the game, it would generate tons and tons of free publicity, and generate tons of interest in the game. The the only logical reason they aren't doing this is because those featurea aren't in the game yet, or they aren't working.
did it ever occur to you that maybe they don't *want* too much publicity about their game while it was still in hardcore development mode?
makes a lot more sense to only ramp up the info when they know for sure they are ready to release.
it's their money, their prerogative, they're not being dictated to by some faceless money-hungry publisher only interested in their income stream.
look at the coverage of AoC & WH over at betaleaks.com, they've been slammed in numerous reviews and have heavily revised their release schedules because of it.
are they really so different than DF? DF has been in devel for a long time sure, but then it has a pretty ambitious feature list. seems OK to me.
Because if they showed videos of of of the things they claim are in the game, it would generate tons and tons of free publicity, and generate tons of interest in the game. The the only logical reason they aren't doing this is because those featurea aren't in the game yet, or they aren't working.
did it ever occur to you that maybe they don't *want* too much publicity about their game while it was still in hardcore development mode?
So you're saying they only want a "little" publicitiy?
There is no in between. Either you want publicity or you don't. They have a public website up , they have public forums , they do bi-weekly Q&A's at Warcry.
Do you know why? Because they want publicity.
Originally posted by Seggallion
He'll never leave
I'll be here Jan 2009 asking you why there was no Beta or Release in 2008. Of that I'am certain.
So you're saying they only want a "little" publicitiy? There is no in between. Either you want publicity or you don't. They have a public website up , they have public forums , they do bi-weekly Q&A's at Warcry. Do you know why? Because they want publicity. ... I'll be here Jan 2009 asking you why there was no Beta or Release in 2008. Of that I'am certain.
it's obvious they don't want a lot of publicity... their website is almost always out of date; they've just started updating it with recent screenshots & info in the past few months.
the biweekly developer journals are targeted at the community, not the general public.
it's pretty obvious they'e not hunting for cheap publicity; it's surprising you think they are.
i will be surprised if they don't release by the end of 2008, all the signs are pointing to a game in the final stages of polishing.
This is good news. The question now is how many of the promised features will actually be in on release. Are they doing this because the game is ready , or are they doing it because they are out of money?
These are the 64,000$ dollar type questions, assuming this game does release this year and considering they have made many vague commitments about beta or release over the years before.
How many features might be cut or what condition of quality and stability will the features that are implemented for release be in.
we will see.
How many potentially disappointing revelations will be made about the true state of the game.
How many potentially positive revelations will be made about the true state of the game.
How many more core design principles that the community considered as sacrosanct after constant developer assurances will be revealed to be modified or rejected for release.
we will see.
How many more pocket pony, universal banks, teleporters, rainbow guild type disclosures will be made before release?
huh ?
If they are running out of money and are being forced to release, where are they going to get the money to Implement all there promises if the game does not have a feature complete successful launch?
Way to many if 's involved here. A building based on 'If's' is very fragile.
But most important of all how many dedicated fans of Darkfall will continue to support the developers if the reality of what Darkfall will be at release does not match closely there cherished hopes and dreams built up after so many years of waiting.
we will see. But it depends on what will not be included. Naval warfare isn't something i will focus on so i would play DF even there is no sea on the map at release. Of course we will not hope that this will happen.
And if this game really is feature complete and ready for release this year when are we finally going to start seeing the game demonstrated instead of just hearing the developers talking about it.
In a extended trial period just close to the final release date. Developers answered that in last journals.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Catizone is one of those people with alot of pent up anger. Whether it's due to his lack of sexual interactions or inability to hang out with the "cool" kids, he has much inner anger and resentment.
This is why him (and others like him) stalk this forum looking to vent. He could easily just never come here but he does. Ignore him and dont hate him, but pity him...
Catizone is one of those people with alot of pent up anger. Whether it's due to his lack of sexual interactions or inability to hang out with the "cool" kids, he has much inner anger and resentment. This is why him (and others like him) stalk this forum looking to vent. He could easily just never come here but he does. Ignore him and dont hate him, but pity him...
Actually I'm starting to believe that he is the greatest Darkfall fanboy ever. Why else would someone devote so much time to a single game!
Why you guys still argue with Catizone is beyond me. If you just ignore him and argue with the legitimate posters he would not get his troll food and would eventually get bored and leave. Remember that his posts are deliberately confrontational to bait you into arguing and that's it. This is what trolls do, it's the only reason they are here and if you deny them their food they will move on eventually.
Bren
Trolls move on? At the darkfall subforum at mmorpg? You are kidding, right? If i wouldnt knew it better, i would say that trolls have arised from the darkfall subforum at mmorpg, and ever since that trolled around all over the internet.
LOL, This may be true as Darkfall has been around almost as long as the Internet. I'll have to think about that one.
Bren
QFT! My son was going into the 5th grade when I first heard about DFO. He graduates high school next Saturday.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
taso said the game is feature complete there just polishing it up now. be stupid if they said that and planning a 2008 release
Tasos says a lot of things. He said beta would start in 2003. So I don't think we should believe everything he says
Tasos had only just joined the project in 2003... you are forgetting that razorwax was incorporated into Aventurine in 2003 at which point the scope of the game was substantially increased.
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Only 8 months of drama before we get to play the game, or get a new batch of disappointed fans. Should be interesting either way!
He'll never leave, since 2007 his crusade against DF on Warcry is a one for all and none for him. Let him create threads and post his drivel. Free commercial for Aventurine.
______________________________
The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
makes a lot more sense to only ramp up the info when they know for sure they are ready to release.
it's their money, their prerogative, they're not being dictated to by some faceless money-hungry publisher only interested in their income stream.
look at the coverage of AoC & WH over at betaleaks.com, they've been slammed in numerous reviews and have heavily revised their release schedules because of it.
are they really so different than DF? DF has been in devel for a long time sure, but then it has a pretty ambitious feature list. seems OK to me.
did it ever occur to you that maybe they don't *want* too much publicity about their game while it was still in hardcore development mode?So you're saying they only want a "little" publicitiy?
There is no in between. Either you want publicity or you don't. They have a public website up , they have public forums , they do bi-weekly Q&A's at Warcry.
Do you know why? Because they want publicity.
I'll be here Jan 2009 asking you why there was no Beta or Release in 2008. Of that I'am certain.
it's obvious they don't want a lot of publicity... their website is almost always out of date; they've just started updating it with recent screenshots & info in the past few months.
the biweekly developer journals are targeted at the community, not the general public.
it's pretty obvious they'e not hunting for cheap publicity; it's surprising you think they are.
i will be surprised if they don't release by the end of 2008, all the signs are pointing to a game in the final stages of polishing.
These are the 64,000$ dollar type questions, assuming this game does release this year and considering they have made many vague commitments about beta or release over the years before.
How many features might be cut or what condition of quality and stability will the features that are implemented for release be in.
we will see.
How many potentially disappointing revelations will be made about the true state of the game.
How many potentially positive revelations will be made about the true state of the game.
How many more core design principles that the community considered as sacrosanct after constant developer assurances will be revealed to be modified or rejected for release.
we will see.
How many more pocket pony, universal banks, teleporters, rainbow guild type disclosures will be made before release?
huh ?
If they are running out of money and are being forced to release, where are they going to get the money to Implement all there promises if the game does not have a feature complete successful launch?
Way to many if 's involved here. A building based on 'If's' is very fragile.
But most important of all how many dedicated fans of Darkfall will continue to support the developers if the reality of what Darkfall will be at release does not match closely there cherished hopes and dreams built up after so many years of waiting.
we will see. But it depends on what will not be included. Naval warfare isn't something i will focus on so i would play DF even there is no sea on the map at release. Of course we will not hope that this will happen.
And if this game really is feature complete and ready for release this year when are we finally going to start seeing the game demonstrated instead of just hearing the developers talking about it.
In a extended trial period just close to the final release date. Developers answered that in last journals.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Catizone is one of those people with alot of pent up anger. Whether it's due to his lack of sexual interactions or inability to hang out with the "cool" kids, he has much inner anger and resentment.
This is why him (and others like him) stalk this forum looking to vent. He could easily just never come here but he does. Ignore him and dont hate him, but pity him...
Bren
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Trolls move on? At the darkfall subforum at mmorpg? You are kidding, right? If i wouldnt knew it better, i would say that trolls have arised from the darkfall subforum at mmorpg, and ever since that trolled around all over the internet.
LOL, This may be true as Darkfall has been around almost as long as the Internet.Bren
QFT! My son was going into the 5th grade when I first heard about DFO. He graduates high school next Saturday.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Tasos says a lot of things. He said beta would start in 2003. So I don't think we should believe everything he says
Tasos had only just joined the project in 2003... you are forgetting that razorwax was incorporated into Aventurine in 2003 at which point the scope of the game was substantially increased.
darkfall 08, i can feel it.