[quote]I didnt attacked, i stated a fact. I guess you also missed that...[/quote]
Hmm, Interesting. I am about to be 22 years old (May 29th), the last time I took an IQ test, I scored 135 (when I was 20).
And I am about to ruin your fact, LMAO.
Originally posted by gath
Havent found a full grown adult, with an IQ of over 120, that used the "word" LMAO. Ever.
You actually just proved me (more) right.
And the op post...
So, What do you consider a full grown adult?
Edit - Well I'm going to bed now, got to get up early for work, So I'll check back tomorrow to see what you think is makes someone a full grown adult, Which I'm sure you'll apply a number to.
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When Ravel of the game "Planescape Torment" asked her big question, what can change the nature of a person, I honestly answered what I believed, nothing can. Experiece dont make us smarter or dumber. People are smart or dumb born. Period.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I think you will find the popularisation of mobile phone text messaging is where many of the shortening of words and weird acronyms come from.
Plenty of kids here in the UK that have never touched a game like WoW learn all this from there friends at school who all text like mad every day.
This will inevitably find its way into games that are online and involve typing out text to people, but to blame it solely on WoW is totaly ridiculous.
Games are just entertainment, they dont make me any smarter or less intelligent, i played SOCOM for three years and never seen any text speak in the chat once, doesnt mean i am more intelligent since all i did in the game was run around shooting people, again that doesnt mean im stupid either as its just a GAME!
Have you ever even played EQ? People always find short-hand hand ways to communicate when typing. L33t sp34k has been around far longer than WoW, my friend.
Havent found a full grown adult, with an IQ of over 120, that used the "word" LMAO.
Ever.
Look up the word acronym, You used one in your sentence, genius.
I think games like wow & runescape just appeals to kids more than other games, hence large amount of the population appears stupid, because they all 9 year olds who haven't hit puberty.
Just because you don't learn something doesn't mean you become more stupid. And additionally your comparison when it comes to learning is just plain bad; of course you learned more from Everquest than WoW, what you could've learned in WoW you already knew from Everquest. If you read two books with the same theme you can then call one bad and making you stupid since the first one already had that theme.
There are two large differences in the games. First is the game itself. In EverQuest, you were left much to your own designs. You were responsible for your actions. If you found a quest, it felt like a quest, and acomplishing it was challenging and rewarding. They didn't hold you by the hand, show you the dotted line to where the monsters were. In fact, the quest may not have involved killing monsters for their paws at all! (GASP! Don't worry, that concept is gone, thanks to WoW, you can breathe again, I promise good quests are gone for a good long time!).
Leveling took a while, night was dark, monsters were difficult, and you had to rely on your community to get you through it.
Which brings up point two, the community was different. EQ was a huge thing, got a lot of newbs into MMOs, but they were generally smarter noobs, because to stick it out in a game as difficult as EQ, you had to be smart.Everyone helped eachother out.
Now in WoW, you have millions of noobs, most of them annoying brats who can't be bothered helping anyone. Why? Because WoW is extremely simple and easy, so that retarded jerk across the street could play it. Blizzard would never punish their subscribers for screwing up, oh no that might get them to quit. They'd never give their subscriber a quest they don't know how to do! Heavens no!
I is not dumb from playing WOW. Iz know how to kill U in pvp and rox U. U only b1tch cause Ur a n3wb, I rox U meet me in game I will show U smrt, my 70 rogue will pwn U.
OMG I can't believe I just wrote that...LOL. I really don't think WOW dumbs people down but I do think it attracts a certain mind set for the game. The simplicity of WOW attracts everyone, being shown the yellow brick road to 70 by quests just gives people a guide, but that guide is the exact thing that annoys the people who enjoy games that make you use your mind as well as your button pushing skills. Anyone who denies that the maturity level in WOW is better then most MMO's should just log on and watch Barrons Chat for like an hour or 2. Some will make you laugh most will make you just say, WTF who let these kiddies play this game.
At the end of the day, though, it is not just WoW-sp33k.
It is content, gameplay that requires little to no strategic thinking or planning.
The quest NPC is ====> * HERE * <==== and the game holds your hand as you progress. The world looks childish and the humor is often the same. In other words, the world in WoW is not very appealing to individuals that appreciate more depth, detail, and feel in a world. It feels very generic, very planned, and very predictable as you play.
There are two large differences in the games. First is the game itself. In EverQuest, you were left much to your own designs. You were responsible for your actions. If you found a quest, it felt like a quest, and acomplishing it was challenging and rewarding. They didn't hold you by the hand, show you the dotted line to where the monsters were. In fact, the quest may not have involved killing monsters for their paws at all! (GASP! Don't worry, that concept is gone, thanks to WoW, you can breathe again, I promise good quests are gone for a good long time!).
But don't you see, that sort of game design had limited appeal, and was focused towards players who weren't necessarily more intelligent, just willing to put up with more suffering, more grind, and blow time running around looking for things. Games changed to make them more palatable to those who wouldn't play the older ones. I'm not saying we have to like, it, but it was inevitable that it should happen.
Leveling took a while, night was dark, monsters were difficult, and you had to rely on your community to get you through it. - I do miss when games had a true "dark" cycle, but at times I despised the fact that I had to rely on the community (playing an Infiltrator in the early days of DAOC) to help me achieve game goals because I was one of the undesirable classes for a group. Once DAOC added a few classes that could solo the content I was all over them, (i.e. Necromancer). Developers noticed that I, along with many others preferred gameplay that we didn't need to depend on our fellow gamer (who we pretty much hold in contempt of anyways) so we have todays games, including WOW.
Which brings up point two, the community was different. EQ was a huge thing, got a lot of newbs into MMOs, but they were generally smarter noobs, because to stick it out in a game as difficult as EQ, you had to be smart.Everyone helped eachother out. - No, they weren't any smarter. More patient and persistant, yes, but definintely not a whole lot smarter. (IMO)
Now in WoW, you have millions of noobs, most of them annoying brats who can't be bothered helping anyone. Why? Because WoW is extremely simple and easy, so that retarded jerk across the street could play it. Blizzard would never punish their subscribers for screwing up, oh no that might get them to quit. They'd never give their subscriber a quest they don't know how to do! Heavens no!
What do you mean by noob? New player? Young person? Inexperienced? None of these should be feared by the self-proclaimed mature, experienced player. You should welcome them into the game and be willing to show them the proper way to behave and manage their gameplay. I fear neither, and there are plenty of game mechanics now days that help me avoid gamers I don't like.
There you have it.
So much hatred for WOW. Gross exaggerations of how easy it was...(trust me, at times it wasn't), or how dull the quests were (no, they weren't, some were terrific) or how bad the players are. (no, they aren't..many great folks playing WOW)
I no longer play, but I don't harbor this intense hatred for the game. I achieved what I set out to do and moved on to other games. I'm currently playing EVE and AOC, but they will not be my last games.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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EQ made you learn some social skills, because you needed the people. WOW makes you unlearn social skills because you see almost everyone being a moron, you end up being one too.
Originally posted by Redslayer So, What do you consider a full grown adult?
Edit - Well I'm going to bed now, got to get up early for work, So I'll check back tomorrow to see what you think is makes someone a full grown adult, Which I'm sure you'll apply a number to.
it's not that "someone that plays WoW is dumb". It's just that WoW attracted too mutch people, and not all of them have the minimal idea of "work Vs reward". That's why we meet newbies that tell you to show them where to make quest 'n'. They dont ask, they dont try. They log, and say: do it for me.
Originally posted by Redslayer So, What do you consider a full grown adult?
Edit - Well I'm going to bed now, got to get up early for work, So I'll check back tomorrow to see what you think is makes someone a full grown adult, Which I'm sure you'll apply a number to. Why dont you ask the High-school teacher? Originally posted by Lydon
Now, on the subject: it's not that "someone that plays WoW is dumb". It's just that WoW attracted too mutch people, and not all of them have the minimal idea of "work Vs reward". That's why we meet newbies that tell you to show them where to make quest 'n'. They dont ask, they dont try. They log, and say: do it for me.
Most people who I played WoW with understood "Work vs Reward" as must were adults who had jobs in real life. It seems you are trying to assert that MMORPG's should be all work and only those who "work" should get rewarded. Of course anyone who has a job and works for a living and likes playing PC games and MMORPG's more then likely already has enough work at their real life job and is not looking for any more work when they play a MMORPG. Some people just want to have fun and their definition of fun it seems is not in line with yours and so you go off make a blanket statement and call them all dumb for not sharing your opinion.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Most people who I played WoW with understood "Work vs Reward" as must were adults who had jobs in real life. It seems you are trying to assert that MMORPG's should be all work and only those who "work" should get rewarded. Of course anyone who has a job and works for a living and likes playing PC games and MMORPG's more then likely already has enough work at their real life job and is not looking for any more work when they play a MMORPG. Some people just want to have fun and their definition of fun it seems is not in line with yours and so you go off make a blanket statement and call them all dumb for not sharing your opinion.
AGREE
Here is how MY work versus reward goes down. I work in real life for money. My reward is that i get to spend that money on fun. Spending my money on MORE work...which can THEN be rewarded with fun is horse crap.
It also happens to be why I play CoX now. My 15 a month there ensures that I can, if nothing else, log on and make a new character everyday and have TONS of fun with little more than that. Then, should I choose, I can actually play said characters and kill massive mobs of "Less-than-super" things which fall to my mighty might of awesome.
Only children would reflect on a game and swear by its "work" as being anything less than mind-numbing ignorance. Remember, its the "lack" of challenge we hate...its the lack of fun. Platform games are challenging...and require time to master. They manage to pull of their "work" by making it fun. MMO's are just plain retarded with their approach to game design.
I would say that it depends of your level of exposure. Just like eating junk food moderately won't affect your health, playing WoW moderately won't affect your brain.
However, what's the percentage of people playing WoW moderately? I have seen the result on people near me playing WoW 40 hours+ a week for 3 years, and i can definitely say that if they haven't lost a few I.Q. points, their conception of gaming has become rather dumb. Too much exposition to such game mechanics and reward system can screw up your mind big time. More so if you're young, with no gaming culture and think WoW is the best thing ever because you haven't got engrossed into anything else in your life yet. Keep in mind that for a lot of young folks, this will be their "first contact" with the exterior world... (In terms of massive socialization)
WoW has the same impact on your brain then watching too much crap TV, reading crap books, listening crap music, eating crap foods... You get the picture. One can have a chip and a soda once and a while, but if your whole diet revolves around that for too long, you can't expect great results at the end.
Survey says: WoW is dumb, and makes people dumb. So play it moderately, or find yourself a game that will make you "think" a bit more so you don't end up loosing I.Q. points on the long run.
Creativity : The ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships, or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods or interpretations; using originality, progressiveness, or imagination.
Using Internet short-hand doesn't make you any more or less immature. Unless you're on a RP server there really is no need to correct people's grammar. The problems picked out here are a part of Internet culture, and have existed since the very first online games.
There's a tendancy for people to think they're better educated because they're taking longer to type out full sentences in an online game. Those people are idiots.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I would say that it depends of your level of exposure. Just like eating junk food moderately won't affect your health, playing WoW moderately won't affect your brain.
Survey says: WoW is dumb, and makes people dumb. So play it moderately.
All things in moderation, including moderation.
Is WoW dumbed-down because we, the consumer, are dumber?
Different studies proves that if you hang around dumb people, you have a "bigger chance" to become dumb as well. And since WoW attract a dumb and immature crowd, it's the kind of exposure that can really affect your perception of the world in a very negative way if you stick there for too long.
I had my fill of absurdity after 6 months. In fact, after 3 but i stayed because i had a good guild and to see those battlegrounds released.
I am still recovering from playing this dumb game. The good part is that now, i'll see the WoW syndroms in any game really quick, and leave in a day instead of wasting my life on it several months.
Creativity : The ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships, or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods or interpretations; using originality, progressiveness, or imagination.
Most people who I played WoW with understood "Work vs Reward" as must were adults who had jobs in real life. It seems you are trying to assert that MMORPG's should be all work and only those who "work" should get rewarded. Of course anyone who has a job and works for a living and likes playing PC games and MMORPG's more then likely already has enough work at their real life job and is not looking for any more work when they play a MMORPG. Some people just want to have fun and their definition of fun it seems is not in line with yours and so you go off make a blanket statement and call them all dumb for not sharing your opinion.
Funny, because you are doing the same thing...
And about "most people you played with", only leaves me two choices of thinking:
1- we played in completly diferent servers. And some weird law made it so that only idiots and/or kids played on my server.
2- you cant tell the diference between the two.
edit: and now that i think of it, the lack of IQ syndrome starts showing more on newer servers, then what it did on older servers. People from EU that remember the Haomarush (sp?) fiasco maybe understand what i mean.
I would say that it depends of your level of exposure. Just like eating junk food moderately won't affect your health, playing WoW moderately won't affect your brain.
Survey says: WoW is dumb, and makes people dumb. So play it moderately.
All things in moderation, including moderation.
Is WoW dumbed-down because we, the consumer, are dumber?
Or has WoW dumbed-us-down?
This is all based on the flawed premises that playing a MMORPG can affect one's intelligence, and that these games require a person to be fairly intelligent to enjoy them. So your questions are utterly redundant outside of quite pointless hypothesis.
You don't need to be intelligent to succeed at these games, I've met plenty of idiots at end game in every MMORPG. All you need is a lot of spare time.
Consider this: WoW took the formula of MMORPGs and improved the design to be more logical, making it easier to learn. Whereas previous MMORPGs were designed by newbie game designers that gave us crude unintuitive interfaces.
Does suffering with poorly designed interfaces and gameplay make you more intelligent? I would argue it's the opposite. Consider these arguments the next time you consider WoW and it's players "dumbed down".
You are not the MMORPG you play. Consider all the doctors, lawyers, game developers playing WoW, and then question whether you think you're more intelligent than they are. Notice how pointless this debate is?
It's quite pathetic really.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
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" I didnt attacked, i stated a fact. I guess you also missed that... "
Hmm, Interesting. I am about to be 22 years old (May 29th), the last time I took an IQ test, I scored 135 (when I was 20).
And I am about to ruin your fact, LMAO.
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You actually just proved me (more) right.
And the op post...
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You actually just proved me (more) right.
And the op post...
So, What do you consider a full grown adult?
Edit - Well I'm going to bed now, got to get up early for work, So I'll check back tomorrow to see what you think is makes someone a full grown adult, Which I'm sure you'll apply a number to.
~Redslayer-Saga of Ryzom~ Active again!
~Kinch/Lotu-WoW~ Retired
True RedSlayer - Eve ~ Current Primary game
When Ravel of the game "Planescape Torment" asked her big question, what can change the nature of a person, I honestly answered what I believed, nothing can. Experiece dont make us smarter or dumber. People are smart or dumb born. Period.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
/sigh
I think you will find the popularisation of mobile phone text messaging is where many of the shortening of words and weird acronyms come from.
Plenty of kids here in the UK that have never touched a game like WoW learn all this from there friends at school who all text like mad every day.
This will inevitably find its way into games that are online and involve typing out text to people, but to blame it solely on WoW is totaly ridiculous.
Games are just entertainment, they dont make me any smarter or less intelligent, i played SOCOM for three years and never seen any text speak in the chat once, doesnt mean i am more intelligent since all i did in the game was run around shooting people, again that doesnt mean im stupid either as its just a GAME!
Ever.
Look up the word acronym, You used one in your sentence, genius.
Lol..owned.
I think games like wow & runescape just appeals to kids more than other games, hence large amount of the population appears stupid, because they all 9 year olds who haven't hit puberty.
My blog:
Just because you don't learn something doesn't mean you become more stupid. And additionally your comparison when it comes to learning is just plain bad; of course you learned more from Everquest than WoW, what you could've learned in WoW you already knew from Everquest. If you read two books with the same theme you can then call one bad and making you stupid since the first one already had that theme.
There are two large differences in the games. First is the game itself. In EverQuest, you were left much to your own designs. You were responsible for your actions. If you found a quest, it felt like a quest, and acomplishing it was challenging and rewarding. They didn't hold you by the hand, show you the dotted line to where the monsters were. In fact, the quest may not have involved killing monsters for their paws at all! (GASP! Don't worry, that concept is gone, thanks to WoW, you can breathe again, I promise good quests are gone for a good long time!).
Leveling took a while, night was dark, monsters were difficult, and you had to rely on your community to get you through it.
Which brings up point two, the community was different. EQ was a huge thing, got a lot of newbs into MMOs, but they were generally smarter noobs, because to stick it out in a game as difficult as EQ, you had to be smart.Everyone helped eachother out.
Now in WoW, you have millions of noobs, most of them annoying brats who can't be bothered helping anyone. Why? Because WoW is extremely simple and easy, so that retarded jerk across the street could play it. Blizzard would never punish their subscribers for screwing up, oh no that might get them to quit. They'd never give their subscriber a quest they don't know how to do! Heavens no!
There you have it.
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I is not dumb from playing WOW. Iz know how to kill U in pvp and rox U. U only b1tch cause Ur a n3wb, I rox U meet me in game I will show U smrt, my 70 rogue will pwn U.
OMG I can't believe I just wrote that...LOL. I really don't think WOW dumbs people down but I do think it attracts a certain mind set for the game. The simplicity of WOW attracts everyone, being shown the yellow brick road to 70 by quests just gives people a guide, but that guide is the exact thing that annoys the people who enjoy games that make you use your mind as well as your button pushing skills. Anyone who denies that the maturity level in WOW is better then most MMO's should just log on and watch Barrons Chat for like an hour or 2. Some will make you laugh most will make you just say, WTF who let these kiddies play this game.
WoW doesn't make you any dumber than posting on forums and getting too comfortable slightly misspelling words, Thats how l33t speak started.
Some tool was like Hack but missed the c and hit an x and suddenly HAX is born!
So if you really wanna be smart, miss spell nothing, look up the meaning behind words, and stop abbreviating words!
Games don't make you stupid, being lazy sure does.
At the end of the day, though, it is not just WoW-sp33k.
It is content, gameplay that requires little to no strategic thinking or planning.
The quest NPC is ====> * HERE * <==== and the game holds your hand as you progress. The world looks childish and the humor is often the same. In other words, the world in WoW is not very appealing to individuals that appreciate more depth, detail, and feel in a world. It feels very generic, very planned, and very predictable as you play.
So much hatred for WOW. Gross exaggerations of how easy it was...(trust me, at times it wasn't), or how dull the quests were (no, they weren't, some were terrific) or how bad the players are. (no, they aren't..many great folks playing WOW)
I no longer play, but I don't harbor this intense hatred for the game. I achieved what I set out to do and moved on to other games. I'm currently playing EVE and AOC, but they will not be my last games.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
EQ made you learn some social skills, because you needed the people. WOW makes you unlearn social skills because you see almost everyone being a moron, you end up being one too.
Your profile tells me i'm still right.
And, since you obviously cant understand:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22#Signaling_unusual_usage
Now, on the subject:
it's not that "someone that plays WoW is dumb". It's just that WoW attracted too mutch people, and not all of them have the minimal idea of "work Vs reward". That's why we meet newbies that tell you to show them where to make quest 'n'. They dont ask, they dont try. They log, and say: do it for me.
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I used 'plz' or 'plx' in Everquest, I'm sure it was 'plz' because 'plx' sounds lame. They look horrible now, damn you old age. (late 20s)
Most people who I played WoW with understood "Work vs Reward" as must were adults who had jobs in real life. It seems you are trying to assert that MMORPG's should be all work and only those who "work" should get rewarded. Of course anyone who has a job and works for a living and likes playing PC games and MMORPG's more then likely already has enough work at their real life job and is not looking for any more work when they play a MMORPG. Some people just want to have fun and their definition of fun it seems is not in line with yours and so you go off make a blanket statement and call them all dumb for not sharing your opinion.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
AGREE
Here is how MY work versus reward goes down. I work in real life for money. My reward is that i get to spend that money on fun. Spending my money on MORE work...which can THEN be rewarded with fun is horse crap.
It also happens to be why I play CoX now. My 15 a month there ensures that I can, if nothing else, log on and make a new character everyday and have TONS of fun with little more than that. Then, should I choose, I can actually play said characters and kill massive mobs of "Less-than-super" things which fall to my mighty might of awesome.
Only children would reflect on a game and swear by its "work" as being anything less than mind-numbing ignorance. Remember, its the "lack" of challenge we hate...its the lack of fun. Platform games are challenging...and require time to master. They manage to pull of their "work" by making it fun. MMO's are just plain retarded with their approach to game design.
I would say that it depends of your level of exposure. Just like eating junk food moderately won't affect your health, playing WoW moderately won't affect your brain.
However, what's the percentage of people playing WoW moderately? I have seen the result on people near me playing WoW 40 hours+ a week for 3 years, and i can definitely say that if they haven't lost a few I.Q. points, their conception of gaming has become rather dumb. Too much exposition to such game mechanics and reward system can screw up your mind big time. More so if you're young, with no gaming culture and think WoW is the best thing ever because you haven't got engrossed into anything else in your life yet. Keep in mind that for a lot of young folks, this will be their "first contact" with the exterior world... (In terms of massive socialization)
WoW has the same impact on your brain then watching too much crap TV, reading crap books, listening crap music, eating crap foods... You get the picture. One can have a chip and a soda once and a while, but if your whole diet revolves around that for too long, you can't expect great results at the end.
Survey says: WoW is dumb, and makes people dumb. So play it moderately, or find yourself a game that will make you "think" a bit more so you don't end up loosing I.Q. points on the long run.
Creativity : The ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships, or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods or interpretations; using originality, progressiveness, or imagination.
Using Internet short-hand doesn't make you any more or less immature. Unless you're on a RP server there really is no need to correct people's grammar. The problems picked out here are a part of Internet culture, and have existed since the very first online games.
There's a tendancy for people to think they're better educated because they're taking longer to type out full sentences in an online game. Those people are idiots.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Both.
Different studies proves that if you hang around dumb people, you have a "bigger chance" to become dumb as well. And since WoW attract a dumb and immature crowd, it's the kind of exposure that can really affect your perception of the world in a very negative way if you stick there for too long.
I had my fill of absurdity after 6 months. In fact, after 3 but i stayed because i had a good guild and to see those battlegrounds released.
I am still recovering from playing this dumb game. The good part is that now, i'll see the WoW syndroms in any game really quick, and leave in a day instead of wasting my life on it several months.
Creativity : The ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships, or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods or interpretations; using originality, progressiveness, or imagination.
Funny, because you are doing the same thing...
And about "most people you played with", only leaves me two choices of thinking:
1- we played in completly diferent servers. And some weird law made it so that only idiots and/or kids played on my server.
2- you cant tell the diference between the two.
edit: and now that i think of it, the lack of IQ syndrome starts showing more on newer servers, then what it did on older servers. People from EU that remember the Haomarush (sp?) fiasco maybe understand what i mean.
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This is all based on the flawed premises that playing a MMORPG can affect one's intelligence, and that these games require a person to be fairly intelligent to enjoy them. So your questions are utterly redundant outside of quite pointless hypothesis.
You don't need to be intelligent to succeed at these games, I've met plenty of idiots at end game in every MMORPG. All you need is a lot of spare time.
Consider this: WoW took the formula of MMORPGs and improved the design to be more logical, making it easier to learn. Whereas previous MMORPGs were designed by newbie game designers that gave us crude unintuitive interfaces.
Does suffering with poorly designed interfaces and gameplay make you more intelligent? I would argue it's the opposite. Consider these arguments the next time you consider WoW and it's players "dumbed down".
You are not the MMORPG you play. Consider all the doctors, lawyers, game developers playing WoW, and then question whether you think you're more intelligent than they are. Notice how pointless this debate is?
It's quite pathetic really.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...