Interesting... I gace this an entire evening and nada... zip,,, nothing. Read through this entire thread. Aside from INSTANCINGwhich virtually disappears after Tortage, there is not a single point of fact or data to say why this game is beaten by ANY, let alone so many other games. There are blank, empty references AGAIN to the fact that every game since pong is better than Age of Conan, but they are completely devoid of any explination as to why this might be so, or why the poster isn't lying through their teeth (keyboard) As was stated by a brilliant poster, of whom I have forgotten who said it, almost every one posting on these fora are speaking as the little tiny whiney population of Tortage NOT the expansive world of Hyboria. I spent the evening playing a few levels and doing about a dozen and a half missions in the mid 20's I zoned/instanced once. Once. That is less than an evening in WoW. I guess we have called the bluff of the people flaming this game. Is in my favorite? no. Asheron's Call is my favorite game as I have said in virtually every post for the last decade... and you can see my long drawn out explinations as to why Asheron's Call is a substantually better game than all the EQ-clones like WoW... but AoC is better than any other game I have played since... including WoW, EQ, EQ2, AC2, AO, TR, LotRO, DAoC, AO, CoV, CoH and likely a few others that were so bad I have forgotten them completely. I guess the flamers have not a single real tid-bit of fact to back up their baseless, hollow emotional claims. See you in Hyboria
True meaning of her post is evidant. She was trolling you guys all along. She obviously didnt read any of the posts. I think she's scared too. Afraid she'll see the truth
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Interesting... I gace this an entire evening and nada... zip,,, nothing. Read through this entire thread. Aside from INSTANCINGwhich virtually disappears after Tortage, there is not a single point of fact or data to say why this game is beaten by ANY, let alone so many other games. There are blank, empty references AGAIN to the fact that every game since pong is better than Age of Conan, but they are completely devoid of any explination as to why this might be so, or why the poster isn't lying through their teeth (keyboard) As was stated by a brilliant poster, of whom I have forgotten who said it, almost every one posting on these fora are speaking as the little tiny whiney population of Tortage NOT the expansive world of Hyboria. I spent the evening playing a few levels and doing about a dozen and a half missions in the mid 20's I zoned/instanced once. Once. That is less than an evening in WoW. I guess we have called the bluff of the people flaming this game. Is in my favorite? no. Asheron's Call is my favorite game as I have said in virtually every post for the last decade... and you can see my long drawn out explinations as to why Asheron's Call is a substantually better game than all the EQ-clones like WoW... but AoC is better than any other game I have played since... including WoW, EQ, EQ2, AC2, AO, TR, LotRO, DAoC, AO, CoV, CoH and likely a few others that were so bad I have forgotten them completely. I guess the flamers have not a single real tid-bit of fact to back up their baseless, hollow emotional claims. See you in Hyboria
I played beyond Tortage and its a myth that there is less instancing. The game has just as much zoned instancing as it does in Tortage but more spread out.
And I have news for you, Hyboria is NOT a large "expansive" world as you describe it. At least not compared to other MMO's out there. Multiple Hyboria by x4 and then you're talking about a decent size MMO to explore. And thanks to all the instances, it feels more like I was playing a small series of Multiplayer games.
Tortage was worth the $50 so Im not complaining. It was fun for the 6 days I spent running 3 toons through it but like every good RPG, it gets old really fast.
Age of Conan is not an MMO though so Im not going to pay the monthly fee
The "greatest" MMO varies depending on who you ask. While a lot of people don't like this game, others do. What we're missing from this gender is variation. Even if people don't like the variation presented, they should be open minded and allow others to enjoy it, if they find it enjoyable.
Too many people on these forums with the mentality of "If it's crap for me, it must be for the whole world".
Here's the thing. I pre-ordered Age of Conan. I paid my $5 to get into the early access... and now I'm ready to go to Best Buy and transfer my pre-order to something else. The truth is that Age of Conan needed to be drastically better than any other mmo on the market today. The bottom line is that it isn't.
The combat is supposed to be revolutionary. It isn't! Besides "fatalities", I don't think this game offers me anything that I can't get from somewhere else... and that somewhere else delivers a better product. I know I'll get blasted for saying this but until a game... any game delivers the kind of experience that World of Warcraft offers... then there simply isn't any reason for me to pay 14.99 on a lesser game! I only read the first couple of pages of comments and about LotRO not having the kind of numbers that Age of Conan has. We'll see what kind of numbers AoC can substain after six months on the market. I can tell you that LotRO was a finished product from the moment that I released.... I can't say the same for AoC. There are just too many things about the game that make me shake my head and make me wonder... why did they do that? I dunno. Age of Conan is alright.... but it's not the king of mmo's... and it won't be.
Aside from INSTANCING which virtually disappears after Tortage, there is not a single point of fact or data to say why this game is beaten by ANY, let alone so many other games.
*sigh*
Then let's give you a list, shall we?
Crafting - Eve made it better. Heck, even Potbs did. Swg, too. Trading - Again, potbs, swg and most importantly eve. pacifistic traders and crafters can not exist in aoc. Sharding - Eve is unsharded and has no instances at all. wow has a seamless world, while being sharded. PvE - if you ask me, the quests in guildwars were better..but that is debatable. PvP - level based games fail horribly at pvp. Aoc is no exception. Gw excels here with putting everyone on a level ground. Even Eve has less senseless ganking (!) with more intense engagements and reasons to kill each other. Graphics - to be honest, the graphic style gets beaten by the ultra-bugged years old game gothic 3, which can be roughly compared in visual style. Both use a dirty, relistic look. While g3 is a singleplayer rpg, aoc does play like a singleplaer action rpg for the first 20 levels, doesn't it?
Aoc, from what i have seen, is an average game. Not bad, but doesn't excel either.
- The world is NOTseamless, you can paint it as much as you want, but it is NOT seamless. For a seamless world, see WoW where you CAN fly across a continent without a loading screen. Other games like DAoC also are seamless. No, not talking of instanced dungeons here.
- City fights limited to 48 Vs 48.
- A combat system that, seemingly, screw up things in PvP as Comboes are useless unless you can Stun/snare/knock down your opponent first. Kiting rules
- No working Trader system on release (meaning NO bank, NO mail, NO Auction houses).
- NO Safe system for loading people so they can get ganked constantly, this may seems a small thing but considering about EVERY other game out there with ANY form of PvP has it, one has to think what the hell Funcom was thinking!
- UI, not the best on the market by ANY means.
- Requires a very high end computer to run properly
- No DX10 support even if the game was advertised as a DX10 game and used as an herald for the DX10 generation
THESE are some of the things that OTHER games do better than AoC. Some games do one thing better, some games do several things better, but all of these other games have it better.
Oh, by the way: You said no console will ever run this game? ARE YOU aware that AoC is coming out on the XBox360 in September? Cause that looks like a Console to me, but maybe your definition of Console is different.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
I agree that crafting seems to need plenty of work still. Remains to be seen how this will pan out once people will start needing crafters for city and keep building
There are no non-combat progression professions. There are very few games that have non-combat progression professions however. Hopefully we'll see more in the future.
EVE is the only game with the one shard technology, so that makes it the exception rather than the norm. Luckily for the developers of EVE, the game started small and grew over time, else they probably wouldn't be able to handle the influx of the masses
Quest delivery is better than most MMOs out there that throw a wall of text at you. The quests themselves are average but the quest quality overall in the gender is improving with each successive game released.
PvP is chaotic at the moment. Remains to be seen how the competition for keeps and resources will shape up things.
Graphics is by far the best in any MMO released at the moment, in high settings. AoC has one quest line that plays in solo mode up to 20, the rest is multiplayer. So no, it's not a single player RPG.
AoC is a good game. It's been a while since we've seen good games released. Too bad it's another fantacy game. Where are all the sci-fi, wasteland, vampire, alternative themed MMOs gone?
The world is not seamless, noone claimed it was. Even the beta testers (myself included) pointed this out. The world map allows for more areas to be added, so hopefully we'll see the game zones expanded in the future.
Keep sieging limit is indeed 48x48. Not sure why they limited it this number or what this number really means. (I'm thinking Lineage2 and the guild size of 40, that didn't stop castle sieges from being massive in scale).
People need more experience with the PvP abilities to fully utilise combos. Beta testers with more than 6 months play time can attest to it.
Trade system is currently disabled (due to some exploit found, I expect it to come back online asap).
I agree with you on the lack of a safe transition system through zones. No idea why something has not yet been implemented.
UI was meant to be total transparent. It still needs lot of work. Looking at the state of the un-modded WoW's UI, it's not very bad in quality. Not that this is an excuse to have an average UI in the first place.
Requires an up to date computer to run, that is true. If people have trouble running WoW with some mods loaded, they won't enjoy AoC with their current computer.
DirectX 10 game is delayed. That's bad news. Hopefully we'll see more than water and surface effects when it is actually implemented.
Overall, it is a good game that still needs time to mature.
I can think of very few things better years in to those games too. AoC is basically WoW at its core. So I am shocked that the WoW fanclub doesn't like it. What do you believe is better about those games? (and comparison of community and extent of content etc. means nothing to a game that has been out a few hours)
Whoa, whoa, whoa!!
I thought AoC is NOTHING like WoW and it's a truly revolutionary next-gen thing which will change the face of MMOs with its never-before-seen original awesomeness?
Wasn't WAR supposed to be a WoW clone?
generally, anything thats online and has more than 1 player is now considered a WOW clone
I am curious. It is 72-hours after launch so I can see why people have strong emotions still tied in to games that they have played for thousands of hours, but I read all of these posts about how Age of Conan isn't the greatest and that there are so many better games out there. Oh Really? Where? I would love to play one of those. Combat? Quests? Equipment? Classes? Graphics? Sound? Skills? (strange this is my number one priority in a game yet it is almost never mentioned by most other MMO players, aside from the rediculous mythical quest for 'balance' issues.) Most of these posts reference some vague 'betterness' elsewhere but leave the specifics to the readers imagination. I am curious, all of the parts of AoC that people, a few hours in to the game, are saying aren't as good as other games - really? What Games Have Better MMORPG Components?
AoC is not the best game. No game is the best game. There is no such thing. In fact there is no such thing out of the game scene too. Nothing, never is the best thing. They are just options. Aoc is an option. It is a well developed game with an innovative idea behind it. But in the end it is just a game. A service you pay for so you can have fun with it. You like it you pay for it you dont like it, you dont pay for it. So no, Aoc is not the greatest game. It can be your greatest game as soon as you like it. But just that.
For me, it is the greatest game out there right now. It was EQ2 before it, and it was Lineage 2 before it.
True meaning of her post is evidant. She was trolling you guys all along. She obviously didnt read any of the posts. I think she's scared too. Afraid she'll see the truth
Why of why can't anyone offer any real data to back up their emotions about this game?
I am supposed to be the emotional sex and here I have all these boys emoting toward nausium but wont say why and give specifics. The bluff has been called., seriously. Until this very page nobody could offer anything sans vague intancing references or 'this game that is coming out is much better' ploys...
and... afraid of what? Learning that there is s better game out there and then going and... gasp... playing it? I play games for fun in my off hours. I have not figured out why guys seem to become emotionally ego-linked to these toys. It is like a new-age security blankie or something... anyhow FINALLY below, a post with the substance I was looking for, Thanks you Batolemaeus!
Originally posted by batolemaeus
Aside from INSTANCING which virtually disappears after Tortage, there is not a single point of fact or data to say why this game is beaten by ANY, let alone so many other games.
*sigh*
Then let's give you a list, shall we?
Crafting - Eve made it better. Heck, even Potbs did. Swg, too.
Trading - Again, potbs, swg and most importantly eve. pacifistic traders and crafters can not exist in aoc.
Sharding - Eve is unsharded and has no instances at all. wow has a seamless world, while being sharded.
PvE - if you ask me, the quests in guildwars were better..but that is debatable.
PvP - level based games fail horribly at pvp. Aoc is no exception. Gw excels here with putting everyone on a level ground. Even Eve has less senseless ganking (!) with more intense engagements and reasons to kill each other.
Graphics - to be honest, the graphic style gets beaten by the ultra-bugged years old game gothic 3, which can be roughly compared in visual style. Both use a dirty, relistic look. While g3 is a singleplayer rpg, aoc does play like a singleplaer action rpg for the first 20 levels, doesn't it?
Aoc, from what i have seen, is an average game. Not bad, but doesn't excel either.
I have to agree that trading is broken (because a cheap guild of cheaters were using it for an exploit) and crafting sounds bork I am hoping they get both of those fixed soon. Especially change having to wait until 40th level to craft? Rediculous! (Granted it also looks like casualy playing you can get to 40th in a few weeks)
Sharded/Instanced... yep I would love to do without those, but in Wildlands I have not seen any until I leave the area. Would I love to have a seemless world as HUGE as Asheron's Call was... oh godz yes. It was the biggest land mass in any game without a single load screen... but alas, I would have to go back to coloring book style graphics and I am not sure I want those either. Perhaps War will bring a happy medium? But... I can't use a game that is still being written for a model of what is better...
Bato, you could be right on the PvP too. I have not PvPed in many games. I suck at it. (a little in Cov CoH and little in TR and a lot in AC) Unlike a thousand people in these fora, I can't comment on something that I have no experience with but it might not be as good here as people were hoping.
Thanks though that was a good post and exactly what I was looking for in a responce.
(Oh and thanks to Volkmar who spilled in anothert good data filled post just below Bato's too.
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- The world is NOTseamless, you can paint it as much as you want, but it is NOT seamless. For a seamless world, see WoW where you CAN fly across a continent without a loading screen. Other games like DAoC also are seamless. No, not talking of instanced dungeons here. I was unaware that people were trying to sell this game as a seemless world - City fights limited to 48 Vs 48. That's still 96 people on screen. I don't like the chances of any game with graphics like this handling more. It may have some bearing on balance, giving the smaller guilds a chance to defend against massive guilds. - A combat system that, seemingly, screw up things in PvP as Comboes are useless unless you can Stun/snare/knock down your opponent first. Kiting rules I may be wrong, but I think nearly all classes have atleast 1 stun, snare or knockback. Combos can be initiated on the move. If combos were insta-cast then the whole pvp would be a game of 2 shot deaths and ZERO tactics. - No working Trader system on release (meaning NO bank, NO mail, NO Auction houses). True, sadly. - NO Safe system for loading people so they can get ganked constantly, this may seems a small thing but considering about EVERY other game out there with ANY form of PvP has it, one has to think what the hell Funcom was thinking! This is a lie. You gain a shield every time you zone or login. And please not there is a new PvP ruleset for some servers, racial PvP. - UI, not the best on the market by ANY means. UI is very much a question of personal taste these days. Mods will come. I personally do not find the UI bad. I especially like the quest journal complete with working mini-map. - Requires a very high end computer to run properly Not true, UNLESS you want to run it on MAX. It's 2008 and the min requirement is GeForce 6600, my dell XPS 2005 laptop had one of those. - No DX10 support even if the game was advertised as a DX10 game and used as an herald for the DX10 generation True, the intent was to have it in launch, they delayed DX10 for some reason. The game looks brilliant with DX9, but I do understand this DX10 is a bit of a swizz. THESE are some of the things that OTHER games do better than AoC. Some games do one thing better, some games do several things better, but all of these other games have it better. Oh, by the way: You said no console will ever run this game? ARE YOU aware that AoC is coming out on the XBox360 in September? Cause that looks like a Console to me, but maybe your definition of Console is different.
And to the poster who tried to suggest EVE has less "pointless ganking" ohh pluuuuuease. How many rtards camp warp gates? Ohh yeh, gotcha. They are roleplaying pie--rats yarrr , not. They are camping any low tier ship or "n00b" with their multi billion isk setups.
Interesting... I gace this an entire evening and nada... zip,,, nothing. Read through this entire thread. Aside from INSTANCINGwhich virtually disappears after Tortage, there is not a single point of fact or data to say why this game is beaten by ANY, let alone so many other games. There are blank, empty references AGAIN to the fact that every game since pong is better than Age of Conan, but they are completely devoid of any explination as to why this might be so, or why the poster isn't lying through their teeth (keyboard) As was stated by a brilliant poster, of whom I have forgotten who said it, almost every one posting on these fora are speaking as the little tiny whiney population of Tortage NOT the expansive world of Hyboria. I spent the evening playing a few levels and doing about a dozen and a half missions in the mid 20's I zoned/instanced once. Once. That is less than an evening in WoW. I guess we have called the bluff of the people flaming this game. Is in my favorite? no. Asheron's Call is my favorite game as I have said in virtually every post for the last decade... and you can see my long drawn out explinations as to why Asheron's Call is a substantually better game than all the EQ-clones like WoW... but AoC is better than any other game I have played since... including WoW, EQ, EQ2, AC2, AO, TR, LotRO, DAoC, AO, CoV, CoH and likely a few others that were so bad I have forgotten them completely. I guess the flamers have not a single real tid-bit of fact to back up their baseless, hollow emotional claims. See you in Hyboria
I played beyond Tortage and its a myth that there is less instancing. The game has just as much zoned instancing as it does in Tortage but more spread out.
And I have news for you, Hyboria is NOT a large "expansive" world as you describe it. At least not compared to other MMO's out there. Multiple Hyboria by x4 and then you're talking about a decent size MMO to explore. And thanks to all the instances, it feels more like I was playing a small series of Multiplayer games.
Tortage was worth the $50 so Im not complaining. It was fun for the 6 days I spent running 3 toons through it but like every good RPG, it gets old really fast.
Age of Conan is not an MMO though so Im not going to pay the monthly fee
You haters are pathetic. If you don't like it go play something different.
Hyboria is not a large expansive world? Yep its only 185 Square Miles. Over 2 times the size of the World of Warcraft's map.
And Tortage is no where as fun as the rest of the game. Your missing out thats for sure.
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Its not a bad game by any stretch, but its not the next gen experience that my hype-believeing hopes had expected (maybe unfairly).
The graphics are good - but not above that of Lotro or EQ2 in my view.
The combat is fine but still button mashing at heart.
I dont get the feeling that I am earning skills as I do in other games and it feels like another good A title rather than a genre changing experience. I am not whining as I still intend on playing and experiencing as much as I can and then deciding on whether to extend after the 30 days and invest time here, but so far I do not feel the same first day "hook" that other games have provided.
Aside from INSTANCING which virtually disappears after Tortage, there is not a single point of fact or data to say why this game is beaten by ANY, let alone so many other games.
*sigh*
Then let's give you a list, shall we?
Crafting - Eve made it better. Heck, even Potbs did. Swg, too.
Trading - Again, potbs, swg and most importantly eve. pacifistic traders and crafters can not exist in aoc.
Sharding - Eve is unsharded and has no instances at all. wow has a seamless world, while being sharded.
PvE - if you ask me, the quests in guildwars were better..but that is debatable.
PvP - level based games fail horribly at pvp. Aoc is no exception. Gw excels here with putting everyone on a level ground. Even Eve has less senseless ganking (!) with more intense engagements and reasons to kill each other.
Graphics - to be honest, the graphic style gets beaten by the ultra-bugged years old game gothic 3, which can be roughly compared in visual style. Both use a dirty, relistic look. While g3 is a singleplayer rpg, aoc does play like a singleplaer action rpg for the first 20 levels, doesn't it?
Aoc, from what i have seen, is an average game. Not bad, but doesn't excel either.
One question have you played Eve? No instances? What are the "deadspace" then? Also if you knew anything you would understand that Eve is all zoned. Worse than any other game.
"Eve has less senseless ganking (!) with more intense engagements and reasons to kill each other."
Haha thats just too funny and not worthy of a real reply.
--------------- Tested over a 115+ games since 1997.
True meaning of her post is evidant. She was trolling you guys all along. She obviously didnt read any of the posts. I think she's scared too. Afraid she'll see the truth
Why of why can't anyone offer any real data to back up their emotions about this game?
I am supposed to be the emotional sex and here I have all these boys emoting toward nausium but wont say why and give specifics. The bluff has been called., seriously. Until this very page nobody could offer anything sans vague intancing references or 'this game that is coming out is much better' ploys...
and... afraid of what? Learning that there is s better game out there and then going and... gasp... playing it? I play games for fun in my off hours. I have not figured out why guys seem to become emotionally ego-linked to these toys. It is like a new-age security blankie or something... anyhow FINALLY below, a post with the substance I was looking for, Thanks you Batolemaeus!
Nobody offers real data because, as you said in one of your previous posts, it's been less than a week since release. I don't get it either, and I'm happy that you called them out. There are even complaints masked as "reviews" popping up already.
The problem may very well be expecting logical explanations on a message board, where such things are extremely rare. It's like seeing a movie -- people will say, "It sucked, it wasn't as good as the hype" but they're unable to give you a reason why. And if they try to explain why anyway, they often look like fools.
There have been posters here able to explain why they don't like a game and give some thoughtful reasoning. They're not easy to find, but I've seen a few. The rest follow what I could only describe as a "mob mentality".
Emotional complaining is normal this soon after release, so I'm taking the little bits and pieces of good info I find in people's posts (usually less than 10% of the content) and keeping them in mind.
I just love how someone said that YOU were trolling THEM, like this is the AOC Complaint Forum and you're intruding.
Built like a console game? I have never seen a console game anywhere that played like this. Hmm no console anywhere on earth could run this game that I am playing, so moot. Runs better on my system than any xbox-toy could, so moot point for that too.
WoW is!!!! jp
I don't have AoC yet, but the main thing that concerns me is the instancing. I don't mind zoning at all, I never had a problem with it when playing FFXI. The thing is, I heard there are multiple instances of the same zone. You have to choose which version of the instance you want to go in to meet with friends. I guess it's not that big of a deal if the gameplay is good. I'm still waiting to hear more opinions before I go out and buy AoC.
And btw isn't the "Xbox-toy" (not that I have one) coming out with AoC in half a year or so? I remember all the hype about AoC coming out for Xbox 360 shortly after the PC release. Did they kill that idea?
The thing is, I heard there are multiple instances of the same zone. You have to choose which version of the instance you want to go in to meet with friends.
This is true, to a point. Some of the talk here makes it look like there will be 25 full versions of one zone and you'll never see someone you recognize.
In truth, zones are crammed up right now because a large percentage of the population is around a small subset of levels. As the population spreads out, this won't be the big deal it's made out to be.
I do want to say, by the way, that you're one of the smart ones for waiting. Not talking specifically about this game, just MMOs in general.
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True meaning of her post is evidant. She was trolling you guys all along. She obviously didnt read any of the posts. I think she's scared too. Afraid she'll see the truth
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I think thats exactly the point.
I played beyond Tortage and its a myth that there is less instancing. The game has just as much zoned instancing as it does in Tortage but more spread out.
And I have news for you, Hyboria is NOT a large "expansive" world as you describe it. At least not compared to other MMO's out there. Multiple Hyboria by x4 and then you're talking about a decent size MMO to explore. And thanks to all the instances, it feels more like I was playing a small series of Multiplayer games.
Tortage was worth the $50 so Im not complaining. It was fun for the 6 days I spent running 3 toons through it but like every good RPG, it gets old really fast.
Age of Conan is not an MMO though so Im not going to pay the monthly fee
to the last poster. AoC is a mmo, and your... well i'd say something reading you, but if i even called you a troll it'd be flaming.
I'll just say that your ignorant.
The "greatest" MMO varies depending on who you ask. While a lot of people don't like this game, others do. What we're missing from this gender is variation. Even if people don't like the variation presented, they should be open minded and allow others to enjoy it, if they find it enjoyable.
Too many people on these forums with the mentality of "If it's crap for me, it must be for the whole world".
Those are in Fury, AoC did not create them.
*sigh*
Then let's give you a list, shall we?
Crafting - Eve made it better. Heck, even Potbs did. Swg, too.
Trading - Again, potbs, swg and most importantly eve. pacifistic traders and crafters can not exist in aoc.
Sharding - Eve is unsharded and has no instances at all. wow has a seamless world, while being sharded.
PvE - if you ask me, the quests in guildwars were better..but that is debatable.
PvP - level based games fail horribly at pvp. Aoc is no exception. Gw excels here with putting everyone on a level ground. Even Eve has less senseless ganking (!) with more intense engagements and reasons to kill each other.
Graphics - to be honest, the graphic style gets beaten by the ultra-bugged years old game gothic 3, which can be roughly compared in visual style. Both use a dirty, relistic look. While g3 is a singleplayer rpg, aoc does play like a singleplaer action rpg for the first 20 levels, doesn't it?
Aoc, from what i have seen, is an average game. Not bad, but doesn't excel either.
- The world is NOTseamless, you can paint it as much as you want, but it is NOT seamless. For a seamless world, see WoW where you CAN fly across a continent without a loading screen. Other games like DAoC also are seamless. No, not talking of instanced dungeons here.
- City fights limited to 48 Vs 48.
- A combat system that, seemingly, screw up things in PvP as Comboes are useless unless you can Stun/snare/knock down your opponent first. Kiting rules
- No working Trader system on release (meaning NO bank, NO mail, NO Auction houses).
- NO Safe system for loading people so they can get ganked constantly, this may seems a small thing but considering about EVERY other game out there with ANY form of PvP has it, one has to think what the hell Funcom was thinking!
- UI, not the best on the market by ANY means.
- Requires a very high end computer to run properly
- No DX10 support even if the game was advertised as a DX10 game and used as an herald for the DX10 generation
THESE are some of the things that OTHER games do better than AoC. Some games do one thing better, some games do several things better, but all of these other games have it better.
Oh, by the way: You said no console will ever run this game? ARE YOU aware that AoC is coming out on the XBox360 in September? Cause that looks like a Console to me, but maybe your definition of Console is different.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
I agree that crafting seems to need plenty of work still. Remains to be seen how this will pan out once people will start needing crafters for city and keep building
There are no non-combat progression professions. There are very few games that have non-combat progression professions however. Hopefully we'll see more in the future.
EVE is the only game with the one shard technology, so that makes it the exception rather than the norm. Luckily for the developers of EVE, the game started small and grew over time, else they probably wouldn't be able to handle the influx of the masses
Quest delivery is better than most MMOs out there that throw a wall of text at you. The quests themselves are average but the quest quality overall in the gender is improving with each successive game released.
PvP is chaotic at the moment. Remains to be seen how the competition for keeps and resources will shape up things.
Graphics is by far the best in any MMO released at the moment, in high settings. AoC has one quest line that plays in solo mode up to 20, the rest is multiplayer. So no, it's not a single player RPG.
AoC is a good game. It's been a while since we've seen good games released. Too bad it's another fantacy game. Where are all the sci-fi, wasteland, vampire, alternative themed MMOs gone?
The world is not seamless, noone claimed it was. Even the beta testers (myself included) pointed this out. The world map allows for more areas to be added, so hopefully we'll see the game zones expanded in the future.
Keep sieging limit is indeed 48x48. Not sure why they limited it this number or what this number really means. (I'm thinking Lineage2 and the guild size of 40, that didn't stop castle sieges from being massive in scale).
People need more experience with the PvP abilities to fully utilise combos. Beta testers with more than 6 months play time can attest to it.
Trade system is currently disabled (due to some exploit found, I expect it to come back online asap).
I agree with you on the lack of a safe transition system through zones. No idea why something has not yet been implemented.
UI was meant to be total transparent. It still needs lot of work. Looking at the state of the un-modded WoW's UI, it's not very bad in quality. Not that this is an excuse to have an average UI in the first place.
Requires an up to date computer to run, that is true. If people have trouble running WoW with some mods loaded, they won't enjoy AoC with their current computer.
DirectX 10 game is delayed. That's bad news. Hopefully we'll see more than water and surface effects when it is actually implemented.
Overall, it is a good game that still needs time to mature.
Whoa, whoa, whoa!!
I thought AoC is NOTHING like WoW and it's a truly revolutionary next-gen thing which will change the face of MMOs with its never-before-seen original awesomeness?
Wasn't WAR supposed to be a WoW clone?
generally, anything thats online and has more than 1 player is now considered a WOW clone
Far from best mmorpg. WoW devs have nothing to fear
For me, it is the greatest game out there right now. It was EQ2 before it, and it was Lineage 2 before it.
Why of why can't anyone offer any real data to back up their emotions about this game?
I am supposed to be the emotional sex and here I have all these boys emoting toward nausium but wont say why and give specifics. The bluff has been called., seriously. Until this very page nobody could offer anything sans vague intancing references or 'this game that is coming out is much better' ploys...
and... afraid of what? Learning that there is s better game out there and then going and... gasp... playing it? I play games for fun in my off hours. I have not figured out why guys seem to become emotionally ego-linked to these toys. It is like a new-age security blankie or something... anyhow FINALLY below, a post with the substance I was looking for, Thanks you Batolemaeus!
*sigh*
Then let's give you a list, shall we?
Crafting - Eve made it better. Heck, even Potbs did. Swg, too.
Trading - Again, potbs, swg and most importantly eve. pacifistic traders and crafters can not exist in aoc.
Sharding - Eve is unsharded and has no instances at all. wow has a seamless world, while being sharded.
PvE - if you ask me, the quests in guildwars were better..but that is debatable.
PvP - level based games fail horribly at pvp. Aoc is no exception. Gw excels here with putting everyone on a level ground. Even Eve has less senseless ganking (!) with more intense engagements and reasons to kill each other.
Graphics - to be honest, the graphic style gets beaten by the ultra-bugged years old game gothic 3, which can be roughly compared in visual style. Both use a dirty, relistic look. While g3 is a singleplayer rpg, aoc does play like a singleplaer action rpg for the first 20 levels, doesn't it?
Aoc, from what i have seen, is an average game. Not bad, but doesn't excel either.
I have to agree that trading is broken (because a cheap guild of cheaters were using it for an exploit) and crafting sounds bork
Sharded/Instanced... yep I would love to do without those, but in Wildlands I have not seen any until I leave the area. Would I love to have a seemless world as HUGE as Asheron's Call was... oh godz yes. It was the biggest land mass in any game without a single load screen... but alas, I would have to go back to coloring book style graphics and I am not sure I want those either. Perhaps War will bring a happy medium? But... I can't use a game that is still being written for a model of what is better...
Bato, you could be right on the PvP too. I have not PvPed in many games. I suck at it. (a little in Cov CoH and little in TR and a lot in AC) Unlike a thousand people in these fora, I can't comment on something that I have no experience with but it might not be as good here as people were hoping.
Thanks though that was a good post and exactly what I was looking for in a responce.
(Oh and thanks to Volkmar who spilled in anothert good data filled post just below Bato's too.
"The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."
And to the poster who tried to suggest EVE has less "pointless ganking" ohh pluuuuuease. How many rtards camp warp gates? Ohh yeh, gotcha. They are roleplaying pie--rats yarrr
, not. They are camping any low tier ship or "n00b" with their multi billion isk setups.
I played beyond Tortage and its a myth that there is less instancing. The game has just as much zoned instancing as it does in Tortage but more spread out.
And I have news for you, Hyboria is NOT a large "expansive" world as you describe it. At least not compared to other MMO's out there. Multiple Hyboria by x4 and then you're talking about a decent size MMO to explore. And thanks to all the instances, it feels more like I was playing a small series of Multiplayer games.
Tortage was worth the $50 so Im not complaining. It was fun for the 6 days I spent running 3 toons through it but like every good RPG, it gets old really fast.
Age of Conan is not an MMO though so Im not going to pay the monthly fee
You haters are pathetic. If you don't like it go play something different.
Hyboria is not a large expansive world? Yep its only 185 Square Miles. Over 2 times the size of the World of Warcraft's map.
And Tortage is no where as fun as the rest of the game. Your missing out thats for sure.
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Currently Playing:
Played(Retired): AOL NWN(91-95), UO, EQ1/2, DAoC, CoX, Lineage1/2, SWG(Pre CU/NGE), Planetside, Anarchy Online, FFXI, AC, Vanguard, D&D, AoC, DCUO, Rift, Eve, others
Yep its only 185 Square Miles.
Is it really that big?
Its not a bad game by any stretch, but its not the next gen experience that my hype-believeing hopes had expected (maybe unfairly).
The graphics are good - but not above that of Lotro or EQ2 in my view.
The combat is fine but still button mashing at heart.
I dont get the feeling that I am earning skills as I do in other games and it feels like another good A title rather than a genre changing experience. I am not whining as I still intend on playing and experiencing as much as I can and then deciding on whether to extend after the 30 days and invest time here, but so far I do not feel the same first day "hook" that other games have provided.
To err is human....to play is divine
*sigh*
Then let's give you a list, shall we?
Crafting - Eve made it better. Heck, even Potbs did. Swg, too.
Trading - Again, potbs, swg and most importantly eve. pacifistic traders and crafters can not exist in aoc.
Sharding - Eve is unsharded and has no instances at all. wow has a seamless world, while being sharded.
PvE - if you ask me, the quests in guildwars were better..but that is debatable.
PvP - level based games fail horribly at pvp. Aoc is no exception. Gw excels here with putting everyone on a level ground. Even Eve has less senseless ganking (!) with more intense engagements and reasons to kill each other.
Graphics - to be honest, the graphic style gets beaten by the ultra-bugged years old game gothic 3, which can be roughly compared in visual style. Both use a dirty, relistic look. While g3 is a singleplayer rpg, aoc does play like a singleplaer action rpg for the first 20 levels, doesn't it?
Aoc, from what i have seen, is an average game. Not bad, but doesn't excel either.
One question have you played Eve? No instances? What are the "deadspace" then? Also if you knew anything you would understand that Eve is all zoned. Worse than any other game.
"Eve has less senseless ganking (!) with more intense engagements and reasons to kill each other."
Haha thats just too funny and not worthy of a real reply.
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Tested over a 115+ games since 1997.
Currently Playing:
Played(Retired): AOL NWN(91-95), UO, EQ1/2, DAoC, CoX, Lineage1/2, SWG(Pre CU/NGE), Planetside, Anarchy Online, FFXI, AC, Vanguard, D&D, AoC, DCUO, Rift, Eve, others
Yep its only 185 Square Miles.
Is it really that big?
Thats what we have been told since I started beta a year ago. But it seems to be bigger than that to me and my guild mates.
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Tested over a 115+ games since 1997.
Currently Playing:
Played(Retired): AOL NWN(91-95), UO, EQ1/2, DAoC, CoX, Lineage1/2, SWG(Pre CU/NGE), Planetside, Anarchy Online, FFXI, AC, Vanguard, D&D, AoC, DCUO, Rift, Eve, others
Why of why can't anyone offer any real data to back up their emotions about this game?
I am supposed to be the emotional sex and here I have all these boys emoting toward nausium but wont say why and give specifics. The bluff has been called., seriously. Until this very page nobody could offer anything sans vague intancing references or 'this game that is coming out is much better' ploys...
and... afraid of what? Learning that there is s better game out there and then going and... gasp... playing it? I play games for fun in my off hours. I have not figured out why guys seem to become emotionally ego-linked to these toys. It is like a new-age security blankie or something... anyhow FINALLY below, a post with the substance I was looking for, Thanks you Batolemaeus!
Nobody offers real data because, as you said in one of your previous posts, it's been less than a week since release. I don't get it either, and I'm happy that you called them out. There are even complaints masked as "reviews" popping up already.
The problem may very well be expecting logical explanations on a message board, where such things are extremely rare. It's like seeing a movie -- people will say, "It sucked, it wasn't as good as the hype" but they're unable to give you a reason why. And if they try to explain why anyway, they often look like fools.
There have been posters here able to explain why they don't like a game and give some thoughtful reasoning. They're not easy to find, but I've seen a few. The rest follow what I could only describe as a "mob mentality".
Emotional complaining is normal this soon after release, so I'm taking the little bits and pieces of good info I find in people's posts (usually less than 10% of the content) and keeping them in mind.
I just love how someone said that YOU were trolling THEM, like this is the AOC Complaint Forum and you're intruding.
WoW is!!!! jp
I don't have AoC yet, but the main thing that concerns me is the instancing. I don't mind zoning at all, I never had a problem with it when playing FFXI. The thing is, I heard there are multiple instances of the same zone. You have to choose which version of the instance you want to go in to meet with friends. I guess it's not that big of a deal if the gameplay is good. I'm still waiting to hear more opinions before I go out and buy AoC.
And btw isn't the "Xbox-toy" (not that I have one) coming out with AoC in half a year or so? I remember all the hype about AoC coming out for Xbox 360 shortly after the PC release. Did they kill that idea?
This is true, to a point. Some of the talk here makes it look like there will be 25 full versions of one zone and you'll never see someone you recognize.
In truth, zones are crammed up right now because a large percentage of the population is around a small subset of levels. As the population spreads out, this won't be the big deal it's made out to be.
I do want to say, by the way, that you're one of the smart ones for waiting. Not talking specifically about this game, just MMOs in general.
Damn, I wanna get "zoned" too. How much of AOC do I need to imbibe to chase the joo-joo?
Regards
Melmoth