Yeah its such a horrible game that HAD to ship around 700k units.......and have 400k people signing up in the last week.
Only a horrible game would do that.
Some games are really hyped up. Age of Conan is one of those games. The other this year is Warhammer Online. So 1 of the 2 most hyped MMO games of 2008 came out and sold 400k? Wow who would of expected that. Hyped MMOs tend to sell well first few weeks or month but most slowly wither away. Who knows if AOC will be a hit in the end or not at this point. It won't kill any game thats for sure.
I tried AOC and didn't really like it personally. Melee combat wasn't very interesting to me felt like a console action game and was really tedious for my personal play style. I prefer a caster anyways and thats nearly the same as every other MMO so combat system wasn't really awesome to me. I just couldn't get into it. I'm not play a MMO atm so waiting for Warhammer Online now. I loved RVR in DAOC so have high hopes for it.
AOC may be a good game. You just have to wait a month or 2 and see how people are enjoying the end game before deciding if AOC is a bust. Keeping subscribers is what is what determines a MMO success or failure.
Face it, most of the reviews will be bad since its a new game, Tons of People Flooded to it expecting differently. + to add it released out of Open beta etc early since it wanted to get a nice head start vs warhammer etc.
Since it released early there is still alot of unfinished business etc to be dealt with and fixed. Customer support blows is because im guessing there working there asses of to fix major bugs and issues... or.. there just being fat lazy and eating chocolate cake... but you can only dream right?
But to be on the serious side, I really think that many in the mmorpg.com community have very specialized game prefernces, i.e. they dont really care if the game is fun and entertaining as a rpg, rts, or fps if its not meeting their personal requerements as a immersive and sandbox designed game. Im generalizing here, but to get anyone to read my post I have to be a bit rude Im afraid.
Hellgate london was extremely hyped up, I ended up buying the Collector's edition but game turned sour, not really sure why... looked like a good game and all idk just didn't have a good game feeling about it if that makes sence
But Ya if your unsure or dislike AoC because of the Current bug's and issues, I suggest either put your neck out and take the plunge or... wait like month or 2 for trials to start so you can get a feel for the game. But if your some diehard Turn Based Rpg lover go somewhere else this is Action all the way.
Hellgate london was extremely hyped up, I ended up buying the Collector's edition but game turned sour, not really sure why... looked like a good game and all idk just didn't have a good game feeling about it if that makes sence
But Ya if your unsure or dislike AoC because of the Current bug's and issues, I suggest either put your neck out and take the plunge or... wait like month or 2 for trials to start so you can get a feel for the game. But if your some diehard Turn Based Rpg lover go somewhere else this is Action all the way.
The action gameplay style doesn't effect me as much. I like casters anyways better in most MMOs. So mostly never afk auto attack since i rely on nothing but my spells. Although i do play melee as alt and don't like AOC melee combat system.
The main issue with MMORPG is, noone in any of these forums can accept others opinions.
Which is the main reason message boards exist.
You have terms such as "Troll" or "Fanboi".
A "Troll" is a negative opinion aspect.
A "Fanboi" is a positive opinion aspect.
I will never use either of these terms, because anyone who does use them cannot accept opinions of others, therefor really has no business posting on a public forum anyway except to cause trouble.
AoC is now balanced within Negative and Positive light. Although in many cases scattered across the net your going to find many more negative aspects of this game than you do positive.
Every poll I have seen across MMORPG.com since release has basically been 50% I like it and 50% it sucks ass.
Every time you see someone post a pic down at the bottom of the homepage, It is either 50% bump 50% bury OR more bury than bump.
What the "Trolls" have to realize is this - People are going to play AoC. You can't change that. Was it successful... eh? so-so I guess. Is it a mega powerhouse MMO... um... no it isn't. BUT it will have it's followers. It will settle down. It will take it's place right next to everything under WoW at the moment. Will it ever achieve some super stardom. Simply the answer is no. Does that mean all the "Trolls" are right... No. They just can't accept the fact that SOMEONE is going to play this game, no matter how terrible it might be in their eyes.
What the "Fanbois" have to realize is that not everyone is going to like this game. Right now your on a fence, and the fence is tipping, it is tipping and not in your favor. "Fanbois" do not like the fact that they want something to achieve greatness so bad that they would give anything to see it #1, that in reality just isn't going to happen. Like the "Trolls" the "Fanbois" opinions are 1 sided. The game isn't a failure. It has plenty of people playing right now to put it alongside Lord of the Rings. Will it ever go beyond this.... no. Will it ever see super stardom in the MMO genre... no. Does this mean AoC failed? no. Even tho it has had some success does this make you right about how great it is... no.
Both sides form opinions. Neither side will ever win or lose.
For 1 side to truly win it would have to be an extreme. Here are the 2 extremes.
For "Trolls" to win AoC must fail to the point of funcoms bankrupting and the game goes offline. Then you can gloat all you want. It failed, you were right.
(a true measure of success in today's market is world of warcraft, if you cannot topple world of warcraft you aren't truly successful, because there is someone out there doing it better than you.)
That being said,
For the "Fanbois" to win AoC must exceed total sales and subs of World of Warcraft and topple the empire. AoC will need at least 13+ million active subscriptions. It will have to be so strong in fact that blizzard takes a financial hit.
Neither of these 2 extremes are likely to happen. Neither side will ever win the verbal war.
In the end, AoC is what it is, a niche game for a specific target crowd in which the genre has enough of to keep the game populated. It isn't great, but it isn't that bad either.
It is average, and average is good enough to make it in this business. If SWG is still around, you can expect AoC to last quite some time.
Sorry to all the "Trolls" and "Fanbois" offended by this posting.
Face it, most of the reviews will be bad since its a new game, Tons of People Flooded to it expecting differently. + to add it released out of Open beta etc early since it wanted to get a nice head start vs warhammer etc. Since it released early there is still alot of unfinished business etc to be dealt with and fixed. Customer support blows is because im guessing there working there asses of to fix major bugs and issues... or.. there just being fat lazy and eating chocolate cake... but you can only dream right?
No most of the bad reviews are not because its a new game its because it sucks.No amount of bug fixing in the world ifs gonna makes this game fun for 85% of the ppl who like mmogs.Say its non instanced all you want its guild wars version 2008. Big launch and sale numbers this month ofc it was viral marketed and hyped to death wait for the fall out after this first month.All the mmog trade boards I freuqent almost every other post is someone wanting to dump there aoc account to someone for wow or a diff game.
I've never had so much fun playing an MMO. You can tell they spent so much more effort and love into this game than any other mmo on the market. I've played AO, WoW, SWG, GW, FFXI and this one blows them all away.
I'm not that far but I've been watching my cousins much further in the game and listening to their opinions. The number of people playing the game with positive opinions about the game is about 85%. So I think it's pretty obvious all the haters live and breed on the forum feeding on faboi-ing other games and posting blatant lies and misinformation about this one. I'm not even talking about misinformed opinions.. those are fine, but just plain LIES about the game information. My review will consist of first replying to a negative review. Keep in mind I respect this member's review as they are his opinions and not just distorted facts.
Every zone, city and dungeon is instanced First, the zones are huge and COMPLETELY handcrafted (that or just amazingly generated). They're absolutely beautiful and lush and realistic and like I said, they all feel handcrafted. The cities are immense.. You'll see dogs chasing cats, giant courtyards, statues, royal looking buildings and run-down looking buildings. Many places to enter (not all at once, but with quests, keys, etc.) The land is well-incorporated and creatively made.. using cliffs as structures for buildings and multi-leveled areas. Much of the cities are left for exploration and you need skills to get everywhere, namely, climbing. (you can climb ladders, roots, vines, etc. in this game. I saw a video of some chick climbing a city wall using the decorative flowered vines. My only beef is that certain simple ladders require "skill" to climb :P)
They're nothing like Guild Wars which feels like levels rather than lands. Saying instances counteracts immersion is a lot like saying turning pages in a book counteracts your immersion in that book. Maybe that's just me, but I have no problem with it and I'm greatly enjoying not having to press autorun and guide my character through endless pre-generated mush that the haters seem to prefer so much.
Zones are very linear not allowing free movement as you have to follow paths in most zones This is true for SOME places, but it just encourages asking for escorts or directions from more experienced players which I think is realistic and not much of a problem.
Cannot climb mountains or even navigate simple raised terrain unless there is a set path up a mountain I've experienced the exact opposite. You can't climb straight up cliffs, no. I've found so many alternative creative ways to get places such as sprinting and jumping over a drop off.
Very system intensive and unless you have a decent gaming system you will find it very difficult to play; even those with systems who meet and exceed the required specifications are obtaining low FPS. Yes, you need a decent rig. No, most the people I've talked to in the game with decent computers, and I've questioned the OOC channel numerous times, say they experience no lag even in crowded places and nor do I.
Siege warfare is not immense as anticipated and is actually an instanced battleground of a maximum 48 players vs 48 players. If your guild has 200 members; forget 3/4 of your guild being on the field to defend your guild city. I can't imagine all 200 members of a guild always being online all the time.. but ok. 48 vs 48 helps small guilds defend their keep. It prevents lagfests. And it's easily changeable for Funcom later on.
Very easy gameplay with little challenge Then fight harder mobs? I don't understand something like this. If you're not being challenged, maybe it's time to find higher level bosses. Many of the dungeons have an "epic" option that makes it much MUCH harder.
Hardly any need to group Sure, if you're being a panzy and can't try for epic instances or harder mobs.
Grouping reduces the amount of XP you receive
mobs and quest items are on respawn timers and you suffer a lot of waiting around It doesn't necessarily reduce the amount of XP you recieve if you fight harder mobs like you should be doing when you're in a group. They respawn plenty quick enough and there's usually more quest items around a dungeon or zone than one needs.
Death penalty lacks any impact You sometimes have to travel all the way back to your place of death to collect the tombstone to reduce a rather punishing death penalty that lasts 30 minutes. (I haven't figured out when and what causes this occurs, just that it occurs)
Very few players met in each zone due to instancing Yet you complain that people are stealing your quest items? Maybe I haven't gotten far enough but I see people all the time. So much so, that being on a pvp server I have to be cautious traveling.
Poorly constructed user interface From moveable and directional hotbars to invetories that open conveniently around vender menus, I don't see how they're poorly constructed. I find everything easy to manage and well made.
Lack of inventory space Purchase a better bag.
Lack of weapon, armour and spell descritpions and statistics - you don't know what anything does The only thing combos don't tell you is how much damage they do which isn't hard to find out after the first time you use them. Weapons and armor tell you EXACT stats from damage range, how fast you swing, bonuses like +5.2% dexterity or 1.4 unholy damage. Combos tell you percentages and stats and everything you could want.
Very difficult to progress your character as nobody knows where to quest from one place to the next I wonder why..? It's a new game, not enough people know yet.
Difficult to meet up with friends as you are in one instance; they are in the other. Groups always stay in same instances. And personally, everytime I follow some dude to beat the shit out of them and they instance, I instance into their instance. That may just be luck, but I've yet to experience a problem with this. _______ Maybe I just have the perfect mindset for this game, but I really think this is one of the best mmo's out there and we haven't even gotten but a taste of the end game experience (a few players reaching level 80 does not constitute us having experienced all the end game has to offer). Overall, I couldn't be happier with this game. And though the forums don't show it.. MOST people are really loving this game too. They're just in the game having a blast instead of wasting their time here whining.
LOL! How much Funcom paid you for this?
You cross out things that are not answered in your statements.
You crossed out "Zones are instanced" and answer with "they are wonderfully crafted." sure.... they look good..... but they are instance.
You cross out things that are not answered in your statements. You crossed out "Zones are instanced" and answer with "they are wonderfully crafted." sure.... they look good..... but they are instance. Nice PR attempt but it fails.
lmao at you too, Some games are instanced go cry about it, in alot of cases makes it alot easier for Pc's to load zones and stuff specially since such high graphic's etc. If your PC is such a PoS that you have to complain about the short load times then it aint my problem stop crying heres your bottle.
Age of Conan is the Marmite of the game world, you either love it or hate it.
No it isn't. It is uninspirative, uninteresting, overhyped game that is being average in almost every aspect. Alternative games that are original are love or hate. AoC is the same average garbage that rellies on huge adv campaign.
People around here seems to get heavily emotional involved against AoC due to the fact that this game lacks some criteria to make it an REAL mmo (from the experienced mmo gamers point of view). Most of you guys in here have been around the mmo scene from the dawn of day. To most of you, AoC is a huge step backwards (as I understand it) with regards to mmo design and it simply fails.
What I think (again my personal opinion) most of you mmo veterans fail to realize is that AoC fills a void in the market. AoC seems to bring a huge crowd of new gamers to the mmo scene, or (m)mo if you prefer. I think that Hyboria will get packed full by those who last year spent most of their time playing first person shooters and various RPG games and console games. And they LOVE it.
So, is this a bad thing? I don't know and to be honest, I really don't care. AoC rates to be a commercial success, the mmo scene will grow bigger, but it most likely won't have much impact on YOUR game.
True, Basically AoC fills the PvP game gap which we've been suffering from for awhile. Like Ive said many a time now, Its all about how early AoC came out and how Ripe and unfinished it was just as it came out. AoC is still a flower that needs to bloom it has not neared a finished product quite yet, So you may as well call AoC a Open Beta game you pay for basically. Give this a month or two and it will settle down and sanity will come then you got one hell of a game.
ALSO for those people with bad computers complaining about how much Pc power you need for this, Well #1 Stop crying if your PC is in the stone ages (2 years or older) it isnt going to beable to run high end new games... well duh?
#2 Easy Solution since most of the problems come from Video cards lacking power mabye a stick of ram wont hurt. Buy Duel 8600 Gt's there cheap there decently powerful or get Single 8800GT and there you go problem solved for one part at least... Stick of DDR2 ram is dirt cheap so dont complain about that either... Processor on the other hand isnt cheap but By the time you usually need new one of those you may as well do a full rebuild >.>.
I've never had so much fun playing an MMO. You can tell they spent so much more effort and love into this game than any other mmo on the market. I've played AO, WoW, SWG, GW, FFXI and this one blows them all away.
I'm not that far but I've been watching my cousins much further in the game and listening to their opinions. The number of people playing the game with positive opinions about the game is about 85%. So I think it's pretty obvious all the haters live and breed on the forum feeding on faboi-ing other games and posting blatant lies and misinformation about this one. I'm not even talking about misinformed opinions.. those are fine, but just plain LIES about the game information. My review will consist of first replying to a negative review. Keep in mind I respect this member's review as they are his opinions and not just distorted facts.
Every zone, city and dungeon is instanced First, the zones are huge and COMPLETELY handcrafted (that or just amazingly generated). They're absolutely beautiful and lush and realistic and like I said, they all feel handcrafted. The cities are immense.. You'll see dogs chasing cats, giant courtyards, statues, royal looking buildings and run-down looking buildings. Many places to enter (not all at once, but with quests, keys, etc.) The land is well-incorporated and creatively made.. using cliffs as structures for buildings and multi-leveled areas. Much of the cities are left for exploration and you need skills to get everywhere, namely, climbing. (you can climb ladders, roots, vines, etc. in this game. I saw a video of some chick climbing a city wall using the decorative flowered vines. My only beef is that certain simple ladders require "skill" to climb :P)
They're nothing like Guild Wars which feels like levels rather than lands. Saying instances counteracts immersion is a lot like saying turning pages in a book counteracts your immersion in that book. Maybe that's just me, but I have no problem with it and I'm greatly enjoying not having to press autorun and guide my character through endless pre-generated mush that the haters seem to prefer so much.
Zones are very linear not allowing free movement as you have to follow paths in most zones This is true for SOME places, but it just encourages asking for escorts or directions from more experienced players which I think is realistic and not much of a problem.
Cannot climb mountains or even navigate simple raised terrain unless there is a set path up a mountain I've experienced the exact opposite. You can't climb straight up cliffs, no. I've found so many alternative creative ways to get places such as sprinting and jumping over a drop off.
Very system intensive and unless you have a decent gaming system you will find it very difficult to play; even those with systems who meet and exceed the required specifications are obtaining low FPS. Yes, you need a decent rig. No, most the people I've talked to in the game with decent computers, and I've questioned the OOC channel numerous times, say they experience no lag even in crowded places and nor do I.
Siege warfare is not immense as anticipated and is actually an instanced battleground of a maximum 48 players vs 48 players. If your guild has 200 members; forget 3/4 of your guild being on the field to defend your guild city. I can't imagine all 200 members of a guild always being online all the time.. but ok. 48 vs 48 helps small guilds defend their keep. It prevents lagfests. And it's easily changeable for Funcom later on.
Very easy gameplay with little challenge Then fight harder mobs? I don't understand something like this. If you're not being challenged, maybe it's time to find higher level bosses. Many of the dungeons have an "epic" option that makes it much MUCH harder.
Hardly any need to group Sure, if you're being a panzy and can't try for epic instances or harder mobs.
Grouping reduces the amount of XP you receive
mobs and quest items are on respawn timers and you suffer a lot of waiting around It doesn't necessarily reduce the amount of XP you recieve if you fight harder mobs like you should be doing when you're in a group. They respawn plenty quick enough and there's usually more quest items around a dungeon or zone than one needs.
Death penalty lacks any impact You sometimes have to travel all the way back to your place of death to collect the tombstone to reduce a rather punishing death penalty that lasts 30 minutes. (I haven't figured out when and what causes this occurs, just that it occurs)
Very few players met in each zone due to instancing Yet you complain that people are stealing your quest items? Maybe I haven't gotten far enough but I see people all the time. So much so, that being on a pvp server I have to be cautious traveling.
Poorly constructed user interface From moveable and directional hotbars to invetories that open conveniently around vender menus, I don't see how they're poorly constructed. I find everything easy to manage and well made.
Lack of inventory space Purchase a better bag.
Lack of weapon, armour and spell descritpions and statistics - you don't know what anything does The only thing combos don't tell you is how much damage they do which isn't hard to find out after the first time you use them. Weapons and armor tell you EXACT stats from damage range, how fast you swing, bonuses like +5.2% dexterity or 1.4 unholy damage. Combos tell you percentages and stats and everything you could want.
Very difficult to progress your character as nobody knows where to quest from one place to the next I wonder why..? It's a new game, not enough people know yet.
Difficult to meet up with friends as you are in one instance; they are in the other. Groups always stay in same instances. And personally, everytime I follow some dude to beat the shit out of them and they instance, I instance into their instance. That may just be luck, but I've yet to experience a problem with this. _______ Maybe I just have the perfect mindset for this game, but I really think this is one of the best mmo's out there and we haven't even gotten but a taste of the end game experience (a few players reaching level 80 does not constitute us having experienced all the end game has to offer). Overall, I couldn't be happier with this game. And though the forums don't show it.. MOST people are really loving this game too. They're just in the game having a blast instead of wasting their time here whining.
LOL! How much Funcom paid you for this?
You cross out things that are not answered in your statements.
You crossed out "Zones are instanced" and answer with "they are wonderfully crafted." sure.... they look good..... but they are instance.
Nice PR attempt but it fails.
wow, you're not a very good reader, are you?
Notice where I said "Saying instances counteracts immersion is a lot like saying turning pages in a book counteracts your immersion in that book. Maybe that's just me, but I have no problem with it and I'm greatly enjoying not having to press autorun and guide my character through endless pre-generated mush that the haters seem to prefer so much."
actually, for the "fanbois" to win, all that would need to happen is for the trolls to STFU and GTFO, so we can talk about AoC in the goddamn AoC forum without EVERY goddamn post being infested with bullshit hater posts.
I stop in here once or twice per day, usually between LONG session of playing the game, and the ouright bullshit posted here by people who have no clue what they are talking about and have probably never even installed the game is rediculous. It's almost enough to make me not want to come here at all, but I just can't stand people spreading crap about a game that's pretty damn good in order to try to drive away potential new players, who might just find that they enjoy the game.
Age of Conan is the Marmite of the game world, you either love it or hate it.
No it isn't. It is uninspirative, uninteresting, overhyped game that is being average in almost every aspect. Alternative games that are original are love or hate. AoC is the same average garbage that rellies on huge adv campaign.
People around here seems to get heavily emotional involved against AoC due to the fact that this game lacks some criteria to make it an REAL mmo (from the experienced mmo gamers point of view). Most of you guys in here have been around the mmo scene from the dawn of day. To most of you, AoC is a huge step backwards (as I understand it) with regards to mmo design and it simply fails.
What I think (again my personal opinion) most of you mmo veterans fail to realize is that AoC fills a void in the market. AoC seems to bring a huge crowd of new gamers to the mmo scene, or (m)mo if you prefer. I think that Hyboria will get packed full by those who last year spent most of their time playing first person shooters and various RPG games and console games. And they LOVE it.
So, is this a bad thing? I don't know and to be honest, I really don't care. AoC rates to be a commercial success, the mmo scene will grow bigger, but it most likely won't have much impact on YOUR game.
How is it a step backwards? Let's see some arguments and we'll have a friendly debate.
good job OP, a lot of the complaints you crossed out are rediculous, some guy had just got done saying on the forums how you cant walk anywhere you want in zones and how its all set direction path, which is just rediculously untrue. I personally tried to walk up every piece of hill/rock/mountain that i found, hell, my buddy tells me last night "hey, you know how people said you cant climb mountains? I'm 20ft from the top of a volcano" LOL, so theres some paths that sit deep inside hills (like a mini valley for the path, WHICH IS IN THE REAL WORLD TOO LOL) i dont see why people complain, just run 30yrds down the road and walk up the path of the hill that isnt so steep, then walk abck up the path to the part of the hill you wanted to climb up, how many times have i been driving on the highway and seen 150degree angle cliff no more than 5ft from me on the outside lane? So I can't climb the 150 degree terrain in real life, guess what? i would find a LESS STEEP place, climb that, THEN make my way up to the top of the hill/mountain.
It's common sense. You can stand ontop of anything anywhere, there is hardly any 'forced direction' terrain in hunting zones, and if you consider your player NOT to be a rock climber with gear, then why would you expect him to climb 150 degree cliffs? and dont say thats not the point, it is the point, 30-50yrds from where you're crying at, i found a way up, and im at the top looking down at you laughing. I've gotten everywhere i've ever wanted to go, including areas i didnt think i could or should go. I found fields and valleys ontop of and inside of those hills that you think you cant climb, oh and guess what? theres mobs there. Theres mobs everywhere. theres mountain-style mobs/animals on mountain-style terrain, so lets hearyou tell me again that i cant climb that, and that this 30yrd stretch of cliff is a wall stopping you from going wherever you want.
GJ OP, I got tired of the same things so i posted 40pics in a thread. If you see it, i can get ontop of it.
Oh, and to the guy bashing the interface? HAHAHAHAH go look at my screenshots. I TOOK A SCREENSHOT OF EVERY INGAME WINDOW. You tell me it's lame. Also, the windows that have 2 sides like inventorey (character equip on the left, inventory on the right) you can OPEN ONE instead of both if you want to.
Get a life trolls.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies." Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
The problem with these boards is that people are not trying enough to present a decent argument, for or against the game. One side always pulls the other to the far extremes. One claims the game is too good to be true. The other has to say it smells manure from miles away. Rinse and repeat.
Repetitive and boring. And the hilarious bit is that the people who keep these games afloat don't really care about anything else but the fun factor.
actually, for the "fanbois" to win, all that would need to happen is for the trolls to STFU and GTFO, so we can talk about AoC in the goddamn AoC forum without EVERY goddamn post being infested with bullshit hater posts. -- I find some post to be very factual based and right on the money in regards to many of AoC MANY MANY flaws. So the "haters" points in my eyes are much more valid in yours. As I prefer to look at what I MIGHT NOT enjoy about a game before purchase as opposed to MIGHT enjoy. --
I stop in here once or twice per day, usually between LONG session of playing the game, and the ouright bullshit posted here by people who have no clue what they are talking abouthow do you KNOW they do not know what they are talking about? They are NOT you. They have their own minds on what is fun and what is good inside a game. Many people may also share this way of thought. Their points on the game are no more valid than yours. and have probably never even installed the game is rediculous.Unless you can PROVE they have never played the game this last statement in yellow is bullshit It's almost enough to make me not want to come here at all, This section is in red because as far as I can tell this is the smartest thing you have said in the entire post. but I just can't stand people spreading crap about a gameI have not seen 1 claim so far that is "crap" alot is repeated but bad things need to be repeated. that's pretty damn goodThis is an opinion for everyone who plays and says "pretty damn good" you have a counterpart somewhere in the world saying it sucks ass, what is good to you may be horrible to others. in order to try to drive away potential new players, who might just find that they enjoy the game. Your entire post reaks of someone who feels threatened by people giving their honest opinion on a game or the state of a game. If it's that damn good you wouldn't have had to post this last statement.
Did you even READ my post? I am going to assume the answer to that question is no.
What makes any of these people views on a game any more valid than yours?
I highlighted opinions in your post.
Everything in yellow is an opinion related statement. WOW really? That is a lot of yellow... tad bit of white.
Now I am going to argue your points with my own.... as an opinion also in green.
actually, for the "fanbois" to win, all that would need to happen is for the trolls to STFU and GTFO, so we can talk about AoC in the goddamn AoC forum without EVERY goddamn post being infested with bullshit hater posts. -- I find some post to be very factual based and right on the money in regards to many of AoC MANY MANY flaws. So the "haters" points in my eyes are much more valid in yours. As I prefer to look at what I MIGHT NOT enjoy about a game before purchase as opposed to MIGHT enjoy. --
I stop in here once or twice per day, usually between LONG session of playing the game, and the ouright bullshit posted here by people who have no clue what they are talking abouthow do you KNOW they do not know what they are talking about? They are NOT you. They have their own minds on what is fun and what is good inside a game. Many people may also share this way of thought. Their points on the game are no more valid than yours. and have probably never even installed the game is rediculous.Unless you can PROVE they have never played the game this last statement in yellow is bullshit It's almost enough to make me not want to come here at all, This section is in red because as far as I can tell this is the smartest thing you have said in the entire post. but I just can't stand people spreading crap about a gameI have not seen 1 claim so far that is "crap" alot is repeated but bad things need to be repeated. that's pretty damn goodThis is an opinion for everyone who plays and says "pretty damn good" you have a counterpart somewhere in the world saying it sucks ass, what is good to you may be horrible to others. in order to try to drive away potential new players, who might just find that they enjoy the game. Your entire post reaks of someone who feels threatened by people giving their honest opinion on a game or the state of a game. If it's that damn good you wouldn't have had to post this last statement.
Did you even READ my post? I am going to assume the answer to that question is no.
What makes any of these people views on a game any more valid than yours?
I highlighted opinions in your post.
Everything in yellow is an opinion related statement. WOW really? That is a lot of yellow... tad bit of white.
Now I am going to argue your points with my own.... as an opinion also in green.
See how ridiculous it looks now?
When people come on here spouting shit that I KNOW isn't true because I actually DO play the game, then it leads me to assume they don't actually play. I know that grass isn't red, and anyone who claims it is, has either never seen grass, or is flat-out full of shit.
People stating their opinions about a game they've played is one thing. But pulling shit out of their asses to smear on this forum is another.
People are pissed that Darkfall is vaporware, afraid that AoC might steal some of WAR's potential playerbase, and mad because their guild moved to AoC and left them in WoW, or other games. They have never played AoC, and have no intention fo playing, so they repeat bullshit that they have heard from other trolls and haters without even knowing wtf they are talking about.
When people post crap that I KNOW isn't true from personal experience, (has nothing to do with opinion here) I have to challenge it. Opinions I can respect...lies I do not.
Yeah its such a horrible game that HAD to ship around 700k units.......and have 400k people signing up in the last week.
Only a horrible game would do that.
Vanguard did the same thing (not as big numbers, but still). I realise the whole concept of thinking things through before you write it down is somewhat alien to you, but ffs it's marketing/hype created by marketing, that sells boxes, game quality has very little to do with it.
In few months we'll see how much Funcom stocks will plunge, I would guess 'bout 40%.
Vanguard ran like a turd out of water on required-recommended+ systems. AoC does not, and it's a much higher quality game.
If you went by the mmorpg.com forums you'd think every game ever released was horrible.
Basically what you should do is look at the mmorpg.com consensus as the worst review possible of a game. Then find some official site, or failing that a large guild's public forums and read that as the best review possible of the game. Then put the two together and you probably have a good idea of where the game really is.
Yeah, you shouldn't EVER let haters on a board stop you from playing something.
For example, just because a lot of people criticize WoW, I still want to play it myself (because I actually think it's fun). No amount of public forum ranting will change my own opinions from actually playing it.
good job OP, a lot of the complaints you crossed out are rediculous, some guy had just got done saying on the forums how you cant walk anywhere you want in zones and how its all set direction path, which is just rediculously untrue. I personally tried to walk up every piece of hill/rock/mountain that i found, hell, my buddy tells me last night "hey, you know how people said you cant climb mountains? I'm 20ft from the top of a volcano" LOL, so theres some paths that sit deep inside hills (like a mini valley for the path, WHICH IS IN THE REAL WORLD TOO LOL) i dont see why people complain, just run 30yrds down the road and walk up the path of the hill that isnt so steep, then walk abck up the path to the part of the hill you wanted to climb up, how many times have i been driving on the highway and seen 150degree angle cliff no more than 5ft from me on the outside lane? So I can't climb the 150 degree terrain in real life, guess what? i would find a LESS STEEP place, climb that, THEN make my way up to the top of the hill/mountain. It's common sense. You can stand ontop of anything anywhere, there is hardly any 'forced direction' terrain in hunting zones, and if you consider your player NOT to be a rock climber with gear, then why would you expect him to climb 150 degree cliffs? and dont say thats not the point, it is the point, 30-50yrds from where you're crying at, i found a way up, and im at the top looking down at you laughing. I've gotten everywhere i've ever wanted to go, including areas i didnt think i could or should go. I found fields and valleys ontop of and inside of those hills that you think you cant climb, oh and guess what? theres mobs there. Theres mobs everywhere. theres mountain-style mobs/animals on mountain-style terrain, so lets hearyou tell me again that i cant climb that, and that this 30yrd stretch of cliff is a wall stopping you from going wherever you want.
GJ OP, I got tired of the same things so i posted 40pics in a thread. If you see it, i can get ontop of it. Oh, and to the guy bashing the interface? HAHAHAHAH go look at my screenshots. I TOOK A SCREENSHOT OF EVERY INGAME WINDOW. You tell me it's lame. Also, the windows that have 2 sides like inventorey (character equip on the left, inventory on the right) you can OPEN ONE instead of both if you want to. Get a life trolls.
lol, yeah man..
I remember playing with someone and we got to a cliff and some lava (this was way back when i was lvl 12 or something) and i looked at him, and I was like, "Think i can make it?" I stepped back and sprinted at the ledge and jumped over the lava river to safety.
It's really nothing like Guild wars. They're not levels, each zone feels like a sandbox.. not like a level.
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Some games are really hyped up. Age of Conan is one of those games. The other this year is Warhammer Online. So 1 of the 2 most hyped MMO games of 2008 came out and sold 400k? Wow who would of expected that. Hyped MMOs tend to sell well first few weeks or month but most slowly wither away. Who knows if AOC will be a hit in the end or not at this point. It won't kill any game thats for sure.
I tried AOC and didn't really like it personally. Melee combat wasn't very interesting to me felt like a console action game and was really tedious for my personal play style. I prefer a caster anyways and thats nearly the same as every other MMO so combat system wasn't really awesome to me. I just couldn't get into it. I'm not play a MMO atm so waiting for Warhammer Online now. I loved RVR in DAOC so have high hopes for it.
AOC may be a good game. You just have to wait a month or 2 and see how people are enjoying the end game before deciding if AOC is a bust. Keeping subscribers is what is what determines a MMO success or failure.
Face it, most of the reviews will be bad since its a new game, Tons of People Flooded to it expecting differently. + to add it released out of Open beta etc early since it wanted to get a nice head start vs warhammer etc.
Since it released early there is still alot of unfinished business etc to be dealt with and fixed. Customer support blows is because im guessing there working there asses of to fix major bugs and issues... or.. there just being fat lazy and eating chocolate cake... but you can only dream right?
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But to be on the serious side, I really think that many in the mmorpg.com community have very specialized game prefernces, i.e. they dont really care if the game is fun and entertaining as a rpg, rts, or fps if its not meeting their personal requerements as a immersive and sandbox designed game. Im generalizing here, but to get anyone to read my post I have to be a bit rude Im afraid.
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But Ya if your unsure or dislike AoC because of the Current bug's and issues, I suggest either put your neck out and take the plunge or... wait like month or 2 for trials to start so you can get a feel for the game. But if your some diehard Turn Based Rpg lover go somewhere else this is Action all the way.
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But Ya if your unsure or dislike AoC because of the Current bug's and issues, I suggest either put your neck out and take the plunge or... wait like month or 2 for trials to start so you can get a feel for the game. But if your some diehard Turn Based Rpg lover go somewhere else this is Action all the way.
The action gameplay style doesn't effect me as much. I like casters anyways better in most MMOs. So mostly never afk auto attack since i rely on nothing but my spells. Although i do play melee as alt and don't like AOC melee combat system.
The main issue with MMORPG is, noone in any of these forums can accept others opinions.
Which is the main reason message boards exist.
You have terms such as "Troll" or "Fanboi".
A "Troll" is a negative opinion aspect.
A "Fanboi" is a positive opinion aspect.
I will never use either of these terms, because anyone who does use them cannot accept opinions of others, therefor really has no business posting on a public forum anyway except to cause trouble.
AoC is now balanced within Negative and Positive light. Although in many cases scattered across the net your going to find many more negative aspects of this game than you do positive.
Every poll I have seen across MMORPG.com since release has basically been 50% I like it and 50% it sucks ass.
Every time you see someone post a pic down at the bottom of the homepage, It is either 50% bump 50% bury OR more bury than bump.
What the "Trolls" have to realize is this - People are going to play AoC. You can't change that. Was it successful... eh? so-so I guess. Is it a mega powerhouse MMO... um... no it isn't. BUT it will have it's followers. It will settle down. It will take it's place right next to everything under WoW at the moment. Will it ever achieve some super stardom. Simply the answer is no. Does that mean all the "Trolls" are right... No. They just can't accept the fact that SOMEONE is going to play this game, no matter how terrible it might be in their eyes.
What the "Fanbois" have to realize is that not everyone is going to like this game. Right now your on a fence, and the fence is tipping, it is tipping and not in your favor. "Fanbois" do not like the fact that they want something to achieve greatness so bad that they would give anything to see it #1, that in reality just isn't going to happen. Like the "Trolls" the "Fanbois" opinions are 1 sided. The game isn't a failure. It has plenty of people playing right now to put it alongside Lord of the Rings. Will it ever go beyond this.... no. Will it ever see super stardom in the MMO genre... no. Does this mean AoC failed? no. Even tho it has had some success does this make you right about how great it is... no.
Both sides form opinions. Neither side will ever win or lose.
For 1 side to truly win it would have to be an extreme. Here are the 2 extremes.
For "Trolls" to win AoC must fail to the point of funcoms bankrupting and the game goes offline. Then you can gloat all you want. It failed, you were right.
(a true measure of success in today's market is world of warcraft, if you cannot topple world of warcraft you aren't truly successful, because there is someone out there doing it better than you.)
That being said,
For the "Fanbois" to win AoC must exceed total sales and subs of World of Warcraft and topple the empire. AoC will need at least 13+ million active subscriptions. It will have to be so strong in fact that blizzard takes a financial hit.
Neither of these 2 extremes are likely to happen. Neither side will ever win the verbal war.
In the end, AoC is what it is, a niche game for a specific target crowd in which the genre has enough of to keep the game populated. It isn't great, but it isn't that bad either.
It is average, and average is good enough to make it in this business. If SWG is still around, you can expect AoC to last quite some time.
Sorry to all the "Trolls" and "Fanbois" offended by this posting.
No most of the bad reviews are not because its a new game its because it sucks.No amount of bug fixing in the world ifs gonna makes this game fun for 85% of the ppl who like mmogs.Say its non instanced all you want its guild wars version 2008. Big launch and sale numbers this month ofc it was viral marketed and hyped to death wait for the fall out after this first month.All the mmog trade boards I freuqent almost every other post is someone wanting to dump there aoc account to someone for wow or a diff game.
You cross out things that are not answered in your statements.
You crossed out "Zones are instanced" and answer with "they are wonderfully crafted." sure.... they look good..... but they are instance.
Nice PR attempt but it fails.
MMEEEEEHHHHH!!!
lmao at you too, Some games are instanced go cry about it, in alot of cases makes it alot easier for Pc's to load zones and stuff specially since such high graphic's etc. If your PC is such a PoS that you have to complain about the short load times then it aint my problem stop crying heres your bottle.
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No it isn't. It is uninspirative, uninteresting, overhyped game that is being average in almost every aspect. Alternative games that are original are love or hate. AoC is the same average garbage that rellies on huge adv campaign.
People around here seems to get heavily emotional involved against AoC due to the fact that this game lacks some criteria to make it an REAL mmo (from the experienced mmo gamers point of view). Most of you guys in here have been around the mmo scene from the dawn of day. To most of you, AoC is a huge step backwards (as I understand it) with regards to mmo design and it simply fails.
What I think (again my personal opinion) most of you mmo veterans fail to realize is that AoC fills a void in the market. AoC seems to bring a huge crowd of new gamers to the mmo scene, or (m)mo if you prefer. I think that Hyboria will get packed full by those who last year spent most of their time playing first person shooters and various RPG games and console games. And they LOVE it.
So, is this a bad thing? I don't know and to be honest, I really don't care. AoC rates to be a commercial success, the mmo scene will grow bigger, but it most likely won't have much impact on YOUR game.
True, Basically AoC fills the PvP game gap which we've been suffering from for awhile. Like Ive said many a time now, Its all about how early AoC came out and how Ripe and unfinished it was just as it came out. AoC is still a flower that needs to bloom it has not neared a finished product quite yet, So you may as well call AoC a Open Beta game you pay for basically. Give this a month or two and it will settle down and sanity will come then you got one hell of a game.
ALSO for those people with bad computers complaining about how much Pc power you need for this, Well #1 Stop crying if your PC is in the stone ages (2 years or older) it isnt going to beable to run high end new games... well duh?
#2 Easy Solution since most of the problems come from Video cards lacking power mabye a stick of ram wont hurt. Buy Duel 8600 Gt's there cheap there decently powerful or get Single 8800GT and there you go problem solved for one part at least... Stick of DDR2 ram is dirt cheap so dont complain about that either... Processor on the other hand isnt cheap but By the time you usually need new one of those you may as well do a full rebuild >.>.
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You cross out things that are not answered in your statements.
You crossed out "Zones are instanced" and answer with "they are wonderfully crafted." sure.... they look good..... but they are instance.
Nice PR attempt but it fails.
wow, you're not a very good reader, are you?
Notice where I said "Saying instances counteracts immersion is a lot like saying turning pages in a book counteracts your immersion in that book. Maybe that's just me, but I have no problem with it and I'm greatly enjoying not having to press autorun and guide my character through endless pre-generated mush that the haters seem to prefer so much."
actually, for the "fanbois" to win, all that would need to happen is for the trolls to STFU and GTFO, so we can talk about AoC in the goddamn AoC forum without EVERY goddamn post being infested with bullshit hater posts.
I stop in here once or twice per day, usually between LONG session of playing the game, and the ouright bullshit posted here by people who have no clue what they are talking about and have probably never even installed the game is rediculous. It's almost enough to make me not want to come here at all, but I just can't stand people spreading crap about a game that's pretty damn good in order to try to drive away potential new players, who might just find that they enjoy the game.
No it isn't. It is uninspirative, uninteresting, overhyped game that is being average in almost every aspect. Alternative games that are original are love or hate. AoC is the same average garbage that rellies on huge adv campaign.
People around here seems to get heavily emotional involved against AoC due to the fact that this game lacks some criteria to make it an REAL mmo (from the experienced mmo gamers point of view). Most of you guys in here have been around the mmo scene from the dawn of day. To most of you, AoC is a huge step backwards (as I understand it) with regards to mmo design and it simply fails.
What I think (again my personal opinion) most of you mmo veterans fail to realize is that AoC fills a void in the market. AoC seems to bring a huge crowd of new gamers to the mmo scene, or (m)mo if you prefer. I think that Hyboria will get packed full by those who last year spent most of their time playing first person shooters and various RPG games and console games. And they LOVE it.
So, is this a bad thing? I don't know and to be honest, I really don't care. AoC rates to be a commercial success, the mmo scene will grow bigger, but it most likely won't have much impact on YOUR game.
How is it a step backwards? Let's see some arguments and we'll have a friendly debate.
good job OP, a lot of the complaints you crossed out are rediculous, some guy had just got done saying on the forums how you cant walk anywhere you want in zones and how its all set direction path, which is just rediculously untrue. I personally tried to walk up every piece of hill/rock/mountain that i found, hell, my buddy tells me last night "hey, you know how people said you cant climb mountains? I'm 20ft from the top of a volcano" LOL, so theres some paths that sit deep inside hills (like a mini valley for the path, WHICH IS IN THE REAL WORLD TOO LOL) i dont see why people complain, just run 30yrds down the road and walk up the path of the hill that isnt so steep, then walk abck up the path to the part of the hill you wanted to climb up, how many times have i been driving on the highway and seen 150degree angle cliff no more than 5ft from me on the outside lane? So I can't climb the 150 degree terrain in real life, guess what? i would find a LESS STEEP place, climb that, THEN make my way up to the top of the hill/mountain.
It's common sense. You can stand ontop of anything anywhere, there is hardly any 'forced direction' terrain in hunting zones, and if you consider your player NOT to be a rock climber with gear, then why would you expect him to climb 150 degree cliffs? and dont say thats not the point, it is the point, 30-50yrds from where you're crying at, i found a way up, and im at the top looking down at you laughing. I've gotten everywhere i've ever wanted to go, including areas i didnt think i could or should go. I found fields and valleys ontop of and inside of those hills that you think you cant climb, oh and guess what? theres mobs there. Theres mobs everywhere. theres mountain-style mobs/animals on mountain-style terrain, so lets hearyou tell me again that i cant climb that, and that this 30yrd stretch of cliff is a wall stopping you from going wherever you want.
GJ OP, I got tired of the same things so i posted 40pics in a thread. If you see it, i can get ontop of it.
Oh, and to the guy bashing the interface? HAHAHAHAH go look at my screenshots. I TOOK A SCREENSHOT OF EVERY INGAME WINDOW. You tell me it's lame. Also, the windows that have 2 sides like inventorey (character equip on the left, inventory on the right) you can OPEN ONE instead of both if you want to.
Get a life trolls.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies."
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Lol fanbois. If the game was great you would have an arguement hell even good but it s not.
um.....engrish?
The problem with these boards is that people are not trying enough to present a decent argument, for or against the game. One side always pulls the other to the far extremes. One claims the game is too good to be true. The other has to say it smells manure from miles away. Rinse and repeat.
Repetitive and boring. And the hilarious bit is that the people who keep these games afloat don't really care about anything else but the fun factor.
Did you even READ my post? I am going to assume the answer to that question is no.
What makes any of these people views on a game any more valid than yours?
I highlighted opinions in your post.
Everything in yellow is an opinion related statement. WOW really? That is a lot of yellow... tad bit of white.
Now I am going to argue your points with my own.... as an opinion also in green.
See how ridiculous it looks now?
lmao, #1 Learn to type.
#2 In any situation in and place in any Time there will be disagreement, Confrontation, And War... Face it, its what humans do...
Just keeping trolls and haters off forums by harrassing them is what I do
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Did you even READ my post? I am going to assume the answer to that question is no.
What makes any of these people views on a game any more valid than yours?
I highlighted opinions in your post.
Everything in yellow is an opinion related statement. WOW really? That is a lot of yellow... tad bit of white.
Now I am going to argue your points with my own.... as an opinion also in green.
See how ridiculous it looks now?
When people come on here spouting shit that I KNOW isn't true because I actually DO play the game, then it leads me to assume they don't actually play. I know that grass isn't red, and anyone who claims it is, has either never seen grass, or is flat-out full of shit.People stating their opinions about a game they've played is one thing. But pulling shit out of their asses to smear on this forum is another.
People are pissed that Darkfall is vaporware, afraid that AoC might steal some of WAR's potential playerbase, and mad because their guild moved to AoC and left them in WoW, or other games. They have never played AoC, and have no intention fo playing, so they repeat bullshit that they have heard from other trolls and haters without even knowing wtf they are talking about.
When people post crap that I KNOW isn't true from personal experience, (has nothing to do with opinion here) I have to challenge it. Opinions I can respect...lies I do not.
In few months we'll see how much Funcom stocks will plunge, I would guess 'bout 40%.
Vanguard ran like a turd out of water on required-recommended+ systems. AoC does not, and it's a much higher quality game.
I hope you don't invest in stocks.
If you went by the mmorpg.com forums you'd think every game ever released was horrible.
Basically what you should do is look at the mmorpg.com consensus as the worst review possible of a game. Then find some official site, or failing that a large guild's public forums and read that as the best review possible of the game. Then put the two together and you probably have a good idea of where the game really is.
Yeah, you shouldn't EVER let haters on a board stop you from playing something.
For example, just because a lot of people criticize WoW, I still want to play it myself (because I actually think it's fun). No amount of public forum ranting will change my own opinions from actually playing it.
lol, yeah man..
I remember playing with someone and we got to a cliff and some lava (this was way back when i was lvl 12 or something) and i looked at him, and I was like, "Think i can make it?" I stepped back and sprinted at the ledge and jumped over the lava river to safety.
It's really nothing like Guild wars. They're not levels, each zone feels like a sandbox.. not like a level.