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Blizzard rips off WAR's Tome of Knowledge?
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City of Heroes started before Warhammer. With Badges.
More like WAR rips off LOTRO's deed system then WOW rips off both.
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Folks get real, these games are all copying simple pen and paper. It's not like any of them created the idea of recording information in a readable form.
You cannot rip off the idea of record keeping, since it's existed for thousands of years, that's all it is an interactive journal.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Depending on the implementation it will either be like Xbox live, LotRO, or WAR. It is just Blizzard making sure they are not lacking an addictive feature for their game. If this system is not retroactive there will be a huge outcry of vets who are denied achievements because they are already level 70.
I don't see how this could be retroactive though as Blizzard would either have to already be tracking all the info or would have to manually go back and read all the logs for 10mil subs for the last 4 years. I don't think they have been tracking everything up to this point as it was not in the original idea and wasn't worth the man power in the begining.
This is just competition. I don't play WoW anymore, but you can't fault them for adding ideas that work in other games. It is like calling someone a copy cat for lighting a match since fire was discovered millenia ago.
It doesn't surprise me...honestly Wraith of the Lich king is pretty much one giant rip off of Aoc & War Mechanics. The difference between WoW & everyone elses's system is theirs will probably be Required to complete for certain things lol while WAR's is completely optional.
WAR's tome of knowledge isn't just some RPG mechanic btw...I don't remember EVER playing a PnP game that gave you titles & achievements for killing or dying X number of times lol. The Achievement system from MMOs did NOT come from Pen & Paper games.
WAR's ToK is based on im sure yes Lord of the Ring's Achievement system (not the horrible grind X skill X times for a better versoin system thank god) and the XBoX live Achievement system. Its just a fun PvE thing that also encorporates the entire rest of the game. Maps, Quest Logs, Achievements, Titles, Records of Notable places you've been and characters you've met etc etc. No other MMO logs that Much player Information. Not even EQ2's EQPlayer's system logs some of the stuff the ToK does.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Why innovate when the rest of the industry can do it for you. This isn't suprising at all. They haven't been innovative since day 1, why start now.
Another reason to despise Blizzard.
Another feature they shamelessly rip off, dumb down and gloss over.
And they bother to do it only when forced to by the competition. Now they can blurb "We've got world PvP, sieges and achievements too!" on the box even though it is all skewed to provide maximum addiction and minimum fun.
They could have added achievements and titles a long time ago - it really is such a simple thing to add that would increase enjoyment of the game. However they simply didn't bother until now when faced by some serious competition.
I realized quite a long time ago that Blizzard actually loathes its customers and considers them as cattle to be lead by the nose. "Sticks and Carrots". Meh...
Lol get over yourselves guys. It's not like the ToK isn't a copy of LotrO and CoH but with improvements.
But I guess crying shame on Blizzard for continuing the trend is easier to join together in on this forum
Dern it, Blizzard just gave me a reason to return someday if it pans out well, and its not a bunch of points used for gear! It would also have to focus on alot of PvE as well, like killing, and discoveries...heh
Quote from the alpha wiki
"Blizzard added an achievements page to WotLK that offers 'points'(?) for accomplishing feats which include PVP, Questing, Leveling, Exploration, and other things such collecting"
The ToK contains a beastiary which offers detailed information about every creature in the game.
What WoW is implementing seems more like a badge/title system and NOT the Tome of Knowledge.
More like a Tome of Accomplishments.
STOP WHINING!
Gathered that, but I'm a sucker for completing achievement stuff in MMOs, although with WAR on the horizon and I'm quite sure I'll be there for years to come so Blizzard can suck it...hehe
I'm jus twaiting for Blizz to admit that if you want to do X Raid you have to get X Achievements for the gear & skills possible for X raid lol. Everything wraps into their PvE raiding system..its such a sham & a shame...Blizz could copy WAR's entire game for their Expansion and I wouldn't come back because of the Raid Content...I mean whats the ppoint of creating awsome content that only certain people will see? Its a turn off to me...while I"m sure its a boon to others...but those same people enjoy feeling "leet" ... I guess its a superiour complex lol
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
To give WoW credit, all raids will have a 10 and 25 man option. Same raid just diffrent amount of people. And they have plainly stated keying for raids will no longer be nesissary. Like you though once WAR hits WoW will be a thing of the past for me.
Nah, not really a rip-off. ToK is so much deeper, more complex, and involved than anything so far. It's practically The Silmarillion for WAR, but you fill out all the pages yourself.
To give WoW credit, all raids will have a 10 and 25 man option. Same raid just diffrent amount of people. And they have plainly stated keying for raids will no longer be nesissary. Like you though once WAR hits WoW will be a thing of the past for me.
Its still a PvE raid that is required in order to progress. Thats why it pisses me off its extremely limted in progression. Not to mention I hate PvE raids..they're a giant grind mechanic you end up having to do it X million times in order to get the full set.
The whole Raid progression system was completely lame from day one .... the moment they highered the man that basically invented them I knew WoW atleast for me was Doomed..and it only got worse when he actually said in an interview "If you dont like to Raid then Learn to Raid". Kaplan = the suck.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
CoX did it good LOTRO did it better WAR will do it great and WoW will do it alright (just like everything else)
WotLK is just a gag to keep their subs like all expansions but I don't see why they don't come up with something for themselves WAR has RVR (this is true Mythic has even trademarked it so it IS something different even if it is from DAoC this IS Mythics' and you can not say that it is ripped off of something.)
WotLK is (what elven said) parts from AoC and WAR (ohh WoWs big worries at the moment...) you know that is why they are doing it. They didn't add ship combat when PotBS was coming out and they didn't at control points and FPS gameplay when TR was just around the conner. Think Guys...you can tell Blizzard is worried and THEY should be with AoC becoming more polished and WAR releasing, WoW may have a problem on their hands...Or they may not and WotLK will keep subs we don't know..
i bought WoW and BC I won't be putting any more cash into blizzards hands that is for sure
To give WoW credit, all raids will have a 10 and 25 man option. Same raid just diffrent amount of people. And they have plainly stated keying for raids will no longer be nesissary. Like you though once WAR hits WoW will be a thing of the past for me.
Its still a PvE raid that is required in order to progress. Thats why it pisses me off its extremely limted in progression. Not to mention I hate PvE raids..they're a giant grind mechanic you end up having to do it X million times in order to get the full set.
The whole Raid progression system was completely lame from day one .... the moment they highered the man that basically invented them I knew WoW atleast for me was Doomed..and it only got worse when he actually said in an interview "If you dont like to Raid then Learn to Raid". Kaplan = the suck.
Yeah I agree with you on that, hate the progression being forced to raid! I'm quite sure I'll never go back but the achievements is a nice addition to the game, but I bet it'll be more like kill this raid boss x# of times, or finish this raid x# of times...etc Yeah that I wouldn't like at all!
WAR is coming!!!
They seem to be covering as much as they can. Levelling without dying, x times Y BG.
Here's screenshots of some alpha achievements, probably placeholders.
http://deathknight.info/2008/06/wotlk-to-introduce-achievement-system/
Not sure what system it resembles more with just this.
To give WoW credit, all raids will have a 10 and 25 man option. Same raid just diffrent amount of people. And they have plainly stated keying for raids will no longer be nesissary. Like you though once WAR hits WoW will be a thing of the past for me.
Its still a PvE raid that is required in order to progress. Thats why it pisses me off its extremely limted in progression. Not to mention I hate PvE raids..they're a giant grind mechanic you end up having to do it X million times in order to get the full set.
The whole Raid progression system was completely lame from day one .... the moment they highered the man that basically invented them I knew WoW atleast for me was Doomed..and it only got worse when he actually said in an interview "If you dont like to Raid then Learn to Raid". Kaplan = the suck.
Fair enough. I am not a fan of wow what so ever. I just thought they should get there due in the fact they are going to make raids more accessable for there players than current. I understand your dislike of raids completely. I raided Kara once (only 10 man raid they have atm and you do have to key for it)....wasnt my cup of tea. I also hate there "heroic" instances. Making mobs immune to everything and saying "hey look we made stuff more fun and challenging for our lvl 70's" is a joke.Anywho if you look at the WoW achievements, at least in that screenshot it looks rather pathetic. Do "xxx" amount of quests in zone "x". it all looked verry generic and I wouldnt call it a ripoff of anything rather than a peabrained idea. Had they decided to rip off someone else it wouldnt look so pathetic.
Erm WAR didn't invent this and tbh what's wrong with taking good ideas from other games and putting them in yours? WAR wouldn't even exist if you wern't allowed to do this and nore would any of the great games.
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About the screenshots mind you, everything with [PH] is placeholders most likely. This is probably just basics before they expand.
runescape had achievement diary a year ago. and they prolly ripped it off some other mmo, so how can anyone think this is a new mechanic?
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I hope your right. If it is as simplistic as what it looks like now, its verry sad indeed.