WoW had 1.5 millions 4 months after relase. AoC already has 700k after 1 month. Impressive! I did not expect to see a WoW killer that soon!
Great work FC!
Why are people so obsesed with games being a WOWkiller, i mean i never thought we had such selfish individuals into gaming, no game should be killed aslong others are enjoying it, as a gamer we need more games people can enjoy, we don't need games that kill another game.
I am enjoying AoC and hope those playing AoC have fun aswell but hope every other game other people play will be fun to them aswell, we really need to stop these type of selfish post. There for i truly hope WAR will do well for those looking forward to it, but am already afraid that people who bash these type of games will continue to do so regardless what game, cause lets face it both sides meaning the haters and the fanboy's seem to have a very jalouze way of looking at games in this genre. Where gamers use to hope that each game would be fun if not for themselfs hope it's fun for others. But these day's "kids" need to bash a game or hype a game in a selfish kind of way.
So welcome to the King of broken promisses and lies. Lies won't sell games in the long run.
Amen brother.
Worst thing for me is the fact that Funcom really resorted to lies and cheap PR moves in the first place because they lack ideas and directions for the game.
But they have 700K accounts so it must be good right?
--------------------------------------------------------- Never argue with idiots. They are immune to logic.
So welcome to the King of broken promisses and lies.
Lies won't sell games in the long run.
Amen brother.
Worst thing for me is the fact that Funcom really resorted to lies and cheap PR moves in the first place because they lack ideas and directions for the game.
But they have 700K accounts so it must be good right?
lol what do you know about AoC?
You say they lack ideas and direction for the game? How wrong can you be!
They introduce a new melee combat system, for you this is not a new idea? All other mmos use auto-attack
They introduce seige warfare, for you this is not new? Beside RVR and Eve this is new to Fantasy MMOs.
They have a host of new classes, mounted combat etc
And then you say it lacks direction and ideas, meh........ you a troll no doubt :P
I could prove almost all of the flaming idiots wrong easily, but god damn I get tired of trying to knock sense into mindless WoW drones all damn day. So all I will say is Age of Conan kicks some serious ass. flame this I don't give a shit because I'm not looking at this thread again.
So welcome to the King of broken promisses and lies.
Lies won't sell games in the long run.
Amen brother.
Worst thing for me is the fact that Funcom really resorted to lies and cheap PR moves in the first place because they lack ideas and directions for the game.
But they have 700K accounts so it must be good right?
lol what do you know about AoC?
You say they lack ideas and direction for the game? How wrong can you be!
They introduce a new melee combat system, for you this is not a new idea? All other mmos use auto-attack
They introduce seige warfare, for you this is not new? Beside RVR and Eve this is new to Fantasy MMOs.
They have a host of new classes, mounted combat etc
And then you say it lacks direction and ideas, meh........ you a troll no doubt :P
lmao, just pleae get a grip on reality. You call aoc's pvp siege, its more like 20 people on screen with lag killing people. new classes? please show me the new classes.
Do you know anyhting about AoC? how can i debate with you when you dont even acknowledge the new classes!?! Even though they may be similar to others they are new whether you like it or not.
The fact that pvp seige is lagging at the moment doesnt mean that it is not a new idea does it?
Eve has PVP on a massive scale, do you think it was all up and running on the day of release?
New things need time to develop. If you cant wait then sorry, move on and go and play the same old same old.
Originally posted by huxflux2004 WoW had 1.5 millions 4 months after relase. AoC already has 700k after 1 month. Impressive! I did not expect to see a WoW killer that soon!
Great work FC!
WOW killer. Hahahah .. thanks for making me laugh.
Originally posted by feac i am more interested in what the second months figures will be, see how many people actually decided to pay to continue beta test aoc
I'd be surprised if there would be more than a few dozen left .
replayability is kind of important for retaining subscribers.. and so far AoC has little to no replayability. I have to force myself to play no more than 30-45 minutes a day or I'll get burnt out and quit.
at launch it was, but it is a truly great game nowadays, one of the better and more complex mmos out there
MMOs currently playing: - About to play: Lord of the Rings Online Played: Anarchy Online (alltime favorite) and lots of f2p titles (honorable mentions: 9Dragons, Martial Heroes, Dekaron, Atlantica Online)
So welcome to the King of broken promisses and lies.
Lies won't sell games in the long run.
Amen brother.
Worst thing for me is the fact that Funcom really resorted to lies and cheap PR moves in the first place because they lack ideas and directions for the game.
But they have 700K accounts so it must be good right?
lol what do you know about AoC?
You say they lack ideas and direction for the game? How wrong can you be!
They introduce a new melee combat system, for you this is not a new idea? All other mmos use auto-attack
They introduce seige warfare, for you this is not new? Beside RVR and Eve this is new to Fantasy MMOs.
They have a host of new classes, mounted combat etc
And then you say it lacks direction and ideas, meh........ you a troll no doubt :P
lmao, just pleae get a grip on reality. You call aoc's pvp siege, its more like 20 people on screen with lag killing people. new classes? please show me the new classes.
Do you know anyhting about AoC? how can i debate with you when you dont even acknowledge the new classes!?! Even though they may be similar to others they are new whether you like it or not.
The fact that pvp seige is lagging at the moment doesnt mean that it is not a new idea does it?
Eve has PVP on a massive scale, do you think it was all up and running on the day of release?
New things need time to develop. If you cant wait then sorry, move on and go and play the same old same old.
How long are you willing to wait for them to get things into the game that were hyped as being finished? They had their time to develop. Now is the time for it to work
So welcome to the King of broken promisses and lies.
Lies won't sell games in the long run.
Amen brother.
Worst thing for me is the fact that Funcom really resorted to lies and cheap PR moves in the first place because they lack ideas and directions for the game.
But they have 700K accounts so it must be good right?
lol what do you know about AoC?
You say they lack ideas and direction for the game? How wrong can you be!
They introduce a new melee combat system, for you this is not a new idea? All other mmos use auto-attack
They introduce seige warfare, for you this is not new? Beside RVR and Eve this is new to Fantasy MMOs.
They have a host of new classes, mounted combat etc
And then you say it lacks direction and ideas, meh........ you a troll no doubt :P
lmao, just pleae get a grip on reality. You call aoc's pvp siege, its more like 20 people on screen with lag killing people. new classes? please show me the new classes.
Do you know anyhting about AoC? how can i debate with you when you dont even acknowledge the new classes!?! Even though they may be similar to others they are new whether you like it or not.
The fact that pvp seige is lagging at the moment doesnt mean that it is not a new idea does it?
Eve has PVP on a massive scale, do you think it was all up and running on the day of release?
New things need time to develop. If you cant wait then sorry, move on and go and play the same old same old.
How long are you willing to wait for them to get things into the game that were hyped as being finished? They had their time to develop. Now is the time for it to work
I didnt fall for the hype, I fell for the lore, the animation and the combat, the graphics are pretty neat too.
To answer your question, i will wait until i am bored with the other features, or if something else takes my fancy.
Point being i am not upset or annoyed that they promised something that has not yet made it into the game.
Some games promise things that never make it into their game. So i am a bit de-sensitised to broken promises and lies, i play and enjoy what i see and avoid getting upset.
Eve has player own stations, outposts, capital class ships etc etc, None of which were in the game at the launch. They only made it in to the game about 2 years after the launch. Eve has at least 3 times more players now than it did at launch.
So bear in mind this is not a game that is designed to be here for a few months, it is supposed to around for years and to keep you entertained for years.
These things will come but they will need time to be implemented.
Ideally these would have been in at launch. But Funcom like most other developers have some issues with releasing content rich polished games.
It is a reality of this industry, and i have accepted it as is.
Eve has player own stations, outposts, capital class ships etc etc, None of which were in the game at the launch. They only made it in to the game about 2 years after the launch. Eve has at least 3 times more players now than it did at launch.
What are you trying to compare here?
EVE is a sandbox, skill based, open PvP with consequence, full Player Economy, single server mmorpg.
As a concept EVE is the future of MMOs. The reason it's still in the 100k - 200k mark is that it's Sci - Fi setting which isn't what the majority of the MMORPG market enjoys. The reason it's still growing is that as more of the current MMORPG players get through their "Familiarization period" they seek more PvP / Player Economy / Sandbox orientated games.
AoC now is a level - class based , instanced, multiserver, pseudo PvP with no consequence, limited to non-existant Player Economy, linear mmorpg.
As a concept it stagnated 3 years ago. It has no flexibility to maintain the immersion, addiction and purpose that it's average player will want for more tha 1 year (and i am being generous).
And don't get confused with WoW's success.
WoW is the same type of MMO with the main difference that it's strong point was the Selling power of it's name and the name of it's developer. WoW isn't MMO king because the developers increased the content. It's Blizzard and it's Warcraft / Starcraft entering the MMO scene at the most crucial moment. Add to this that after say 2mil subs all the marketing work is done for you... what is a new MMORPG player going to pick play? the game that has X mil of players or the one that has 300k?
It's like Diablo III... i dont even have to take a peek at what it has to offer... it's Diablo ffs it will sell no matter if the only changes to it are 1 new class + a better graphics engine. Hordes will play it to kill the white skeleton and then kill the yellow skeleton to finally kill the blue skeleton to get the orange axe to replace their crappier yellow axe.
But that's just the power of Brand and Marketing. FC have neither to help em keep AoC going imho.
WoW had 1.5 millions 4 months after relase. AoC already has 700k after 1 month. Impressive! I did not expect to see a WoW killer that soon!
Great work FC!
Funniest post I have seen in a while!
You heard of the 'Titanic'? This game is approaching an Iceberg. Ask Funcom how many people didn't renew subs after the first month - the biggest con I've seen since MMO's were launched.
Polish 20 levels and get the critics to report on them. Forget about the rest of the game because the dirty deed is already complete. Disgusting.
Originally posted by potapithikos But that's just the power of Brand and Marketing. FC have neither to help em keep AoC going imho.
Well, they've already disproved your theory, by conning 700k 'monkeys' to buy their game. That is the hard part.
Now they just make the usual noises about future fixes to the multitude of broken stuff, added content that was promised at launch - meaningful PvP/sieging that works/raiding that works, amongst many other things - and the idiots believe the spin and lies.
Unfortunately, the majority of MMO players are sheep and have no minds of their own. Gaming sites are paid to give certain scores for garbage games, or give them because they have played tailored content for half an hour.
On the contrary, Funcom have learned a massive lesson from AC - how to market a mundane and uninspiring game - grats to them.
One of two things is going to happen with AoC by the end of 2008. Funcom will make enough positive changes and/or add significant and initially promised, but currently missing content, to drastically improve the game so that whoever is still playing will continue to sub and play. and people will come back to play through info and word of mouth about the improvements as well as new subscribers and the game will be a moderate success.
Or, the patches and changes/fixes will continue as they have been, which are very very minimal improvements and tech performance will continue to suffer so that by the end of 2008 when other games, importantly WAR, will release and spell the death blow for AoC. There will still be diehards playing it and it certainly won't be cancelled, but it will never be any type of success.
The ball is in Funcoms court right now. They have ALOT of very disappointed and angry MMO players right now, but they do have a solid enough base of a game to build on if they choose to do so. As it is now though without significant changes, it will not succeed.
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Originally posted by huxflux2004
I trust FC. They know their shit...
Spelling, tut tut!!!
It's "I trust FC. They know they're shit..."
And so what if he cant spell right ?
Dose that mean he has to stay away form this forum, and leav it to the only the ones that can spell. And dont have a chance to inlighten others or to say what he thinks ?
One of two things is going to happen with AoC by the end of 2008. Funcom will make enough positive changes and/or add significant and initially promised, but currently missing content, to drastically improve the game so that whoever is still playing will continue to sub and play. and people will come back to play through info and word of mouth about the improvements as well as new subscribers and the game will be a moderate success. Or, the patches and changes/fixes will continue as they have been, which are very very minimal improvements and tech performance will continue to suffer so that by the end of 2008 when other games, importantly WAR, will release and spell the death blow for AoC. There will still be diehards playing it and it certainly won't be cancelled, but it will never be any type of success. The ball is in Funcoms court right now. They have ALOT of very disappointed and angry MMO players right now, but they do have a solid enough base of a game to build on if they choose to do so. As it is now though without significant changes, it will not succeed.
Today a new MMORPG has ONE and only ONE chance to have an impact and that's LAUNCH.
A come back is in no ways possible.
Too much hype for newer games on the horizon. ... They never come back.
Vanguard at what 50K players, LOTRO at 180K, TR 90K. D&DO, 80 K.
They have exactly one month to create the hype AND launch a near perfect product.
That month has passed for Conan.
And the base btw isn't there: the graphics system is such a heavy weight champ that the lag and FPS drops prime the game fights in those so called epic 48vs48 battles (just like I predicted 4 months ago btw).
Well, 180K subscribers is nothing to be ashamed of in all honesty. And depending on how the game goes, there is a chance for a revival. You'll never get the same hype you did at launch, but you can make a slight comeback. Vanguard right now is having a large revival.
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Pretty sad when people consider the new king of mmo's to have no death penality, and horrible easy leveling.
Of course, why would they play for fun? It's not like they have souls.
Why are people so obsesed with games being a WOWkiller, i mean i never thought we had such selfish individuals into gaming, no game should be killed aslong others are enjoying it, as a gamer we need more games people can enjoy, we don't need games that kill another game.
I am enjoying AoC and hope those playing AoC have fun aswell but hope every other game other people play will be fun to them aswell, we really need to stop these type of selfish post. There for i truly hope WAR will do well for those looking forward to it, but am already afraid that people who bash these type of games will continue to do so regardless what game, cause lets face it both sides meaning the haters and the fanboy's seem to have a very jalouze way of looking at games in this genre. Where gamers use to hope that each game would be fun if not for themselfs hope it's fun for others. But these day's "kids" need to bash a game or hype a game in a selfish kind of way.
A shame forums have come to this.
Amen brother.
Worst thing for me is the fact that Funcom really resorted to lies and cheap PR moves in the first place because they lack ideas and directions for the game.
But they have 700K accounts so it must be good right?
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Never argue with idiots. They are immune to logic.
Amen brother.
Worst thing for me is the fact that Funcom really resorted to lies and cheap PR moves in the first place because they lack ideas and directions for the game.
But they have 700K accounts so it must be good right?
lol what do you know about AoC?
You say they lack ideas and direction for the game? How wrong can you be!
They introduce a new melee combat system, for you this is not a new idea? All other mmos use auto-attack
They introduce seige warfare, for you this is not new? Beside RVR and Eve this is new to Fantasy MMOs.
They have a host of new classes, mounted combat etc
And then you say it lacks direction and ideas, meh........ you a troll no doubt :P
I could prove almost all of the flaming idiots wrong easily, but god damn I get tired of trying to knock sense into mindless WoW drones all damn day. So all I will say is Age of Conan kicks some serious ass. flame this I don't give a shit because I'm not looking at this thread again.
I dont need a wow killer or the new king of mmos to have fun. Im playing aoc and having a blast, but is just a game, like any other game.
Amen brother.
Worst thing for me is the fact that Funcom really resorted to lies and cheap PR moves in the first place because they lack ideas and directions for the game.
But they have 700K accounts so it must be good right?
lol what do you know about AoC?
You say they lack ideas and direction for the game? How wrong can you be!
They introduce a new melee combat system, for you this is not a new idea? All other mmos use auto-attack
They introduce seige warfare, for you this is not new? Beside RVR and Eve this is new to Fantasy MMOs.
They have a host of new classes, mounted combat etc
And then you say it lacks direction and ideas, meh........ you a troll no doubt :P
lmao, just pleae get a grip on reality. You call aoc's pvp siege, its more like 20 people on screen with lag killing people. new classes? please show me the new classes.
Do you know anyhting about AoC? how can i debate with you when you dont even acknowledge the new classes!?! Even though they may be similar to others they are new whether you like it or not.
The fact that pvp seige is lagging at the moment doesnt mean that it is not a new idea does it?
Eve has PVP on a massive scale, do you think it was all up and running on the day of release?
New things need time to develop. If you cant wait then sorry, move on and go and play the same old same old.
i am more interested in what the second months figures will be, see how many people actually decided to pay to continue beta test aoc
WOW killer. Hahahah .. thanks for making me laugh.
I'd be surprised if there would be more than a few dozen left
.
replayability is kind of important for retaining subscribers.. and so far AoC has little to no replayability. I have to force myself to play no more than 30-45 minutes a day or I'll get burnt out and quit.
They don't know squat.
Anarchy Online was hideous.
at launch it was, but it is a truly great game nowadays, one of the better and more complex mmos out there
MMOs currently playing: -
About to play: Lord of the Rings Online
Played: Anarchy Online (alltime favorite) and lots of f2p titles (honorable mentions: 9Dragons, Martial Heroes, Dekaron, Atlantica Online)
Amen brother.
Worst thing for me is the fact that Funcom really resorted to lies and cheap PR moves in the first place because they lack ideas and directions for the game.
But they have 700K accounts so it must be good right?
lol what do you know about AoC?
You say they lack ideas and direction for the game? How wrong can you be!
They introduce a new melee combat system, for you this is not a new idea? All other mmos use auto-attack
They introduce seige warfare, for you this is not new? Beside RVR and Eve this is new to Fantasy MMOs.
They have a host of new classes, mounted combat etc
And then you say it lacks direction and ideas, meh........ you a troll no doubt :P
lmao, just pleae get a grip on reality. You call aoc's pvp siege, its more like 20 people on screen with lag killing people. new classes? please show me the new classes.
Do you know anyhting about AoC? how can i debate with you when you dont even acknowledge the new classes!?! Even though they may be similar to others they are new whether you like it or not.
The fact that pvp seige is lagging at the moment doesnt mean that it is not a new idea does it?
Eve has PVP on a massive scale, do you think it was all up and running on the day of release?
New things need time to develop. If you cant wait then sorry, move on and go and play the same old same old.
How long are you willing to wait for them to get things into the game that were hyped as being finished? They had their time to develop. Now is the time for it to work
Amen brother.
Worst thing for me is the fact that Funcom really resorted to lies and cheap PR moves in the first place because they lack ideas and directions for the game.
But they have 700K accounts so it must be good right?
lol what do you know about AoC?
You say they lack ideas and direction for the game? How wrong can you be!
They introduce a new melee combat system, for you this is not a new idea? All other mmos use auto-attack
They introduce seige warfare, for you this is not new? Beside RVR and Eve this is new to Fantasy MMOs.
They have a host of new classes, mounted combat etc
And then you say it lacks direction and ideas, meh........ you a troll no doubt :P
lmao, just pleae get a grip on reality. You call aoc's pvp siege, its more like 20 people on screen with lag killing people. new classes? please show me the new classes.
Do you know anyhting about AoC? how can i debate with you when you dont even acknowledge the new classes!?! Even though they may be similar to others they are new whether you like it or not.
The fact that pvp seige is lagging at the moment doesnt mean that it is not a new idea does it?
Eve has PVP on a massive scale, do you think it was all up and running on the day of release?
New things need time to develop. If you cant wait then sorry, move on and go and play the same old same old.
How long are you willing to wait for them to get things into the game that were hyped as being finished? They had their time to develop. Now is the time for it to work
I didnt fall for the hype, I fell for the lore, the animation and the combat, the graphics are pretty neat too.
To answer your question, i will wait until i am bored with the other features, or if something else takes my fancy.
Point being i am not upset or annoyed that they promised something that has not yet made it into the game.
Some games promise things that never make it into their game. So i am a bit de-sensitised to broken promises and lies, i play and enjoy what i see and avoid getting upset.
Eve has player own stations, outposts, capital class ships etc etc, None of which were in the game at the launch. They only made it in to the game about 2 years after the launch. Eve has at least 3 times more players now than it did at launch.
So bear in mind this is not a game that is designed to be here for a few months, it is supposed to around for years and to keep you entertained for years.
These things will come but they will need time to be implemented.
Ideally these would have been in at launch. But Funcom like most other developers have some issues with releasing content rich polished games.
It is a reality of this industry, and i have accepted it as is.
They don't know squat.
Anarchy Online was hideous.
at launch it was, but it is a truly great game nowadays, one of the better and more complex mmos out there
Compared to the leaders of the MMO market currently?
Not a chance.
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Eve has player own stations, outposts, capital class ships etc etc, None of which were in the game at the launch. They only made it in to the game about 2 years after the launch. Eve has at least 3 times more players now than it did at launch.
What are you trying to compare here?
EVE is a sandbox, skill based, open PvP with consequence, full Player Economy, single server mmorpg.
As a concept EVE is the future of MMOs. The reason it's still in the 100k - 200k mark is that it's Sci - Fi setting which isn't what the majority of the MMORPG market enjoys. The reason it's still growing is that as more of the current MMORPG players get through their "Familiarization period" they seek more PvP / Player Economy / Sandbox orientated games.
AoC now is a level - class based , instanced, multiserver, pseudo PvP with no consequence, limited to non-existant Player Economy, linear mmorpg.
As a concept it stagnated 3 years ago. It has no flexibility to maintain the immersion, addiction and purpose that it's average player will want for more tha 1 year (and i am being generous).
And don't get confused with WoW's success.
WoW is the same type of MMO with the main difference that it's strong point was the Selling power of it's name and the name of it's developer. WoW isn't MMO king because the developers increased the content. It's Blizzard and it's Warcraft / Starcraft entering the MMO scene at the most crucial moment. Add to this that after say 2mil subs all the marketing work is done for you... what is a new MMORPG player going to pick play? the game that has X mil of players or the one that has 300k?
It's like Diablo III... i dont even have to take a peek at what it has to offer... it's Diablo ffs it will sell no matter if the only changes to it are 1 new class + a better graphics engine. Hordes will play it to kill the white skeleton and then kill the yellow skeleton to finally kill the blue skeleton to get the orange axe to replace their crappier yellow axe.
But that's just the power of Brand and Marketing. FC have neither to help em keep AoC going imho.
Spelling, tut tut!!!
It's "I trust FC. They know they're shit..."
New King of MMO's?
All future posts by you now have ZERO credibility.
Be paid for Beta Testing, don't pay to Beta Test.
Funniest post I have seen in a while!
You heard of the 'Titanic'? This game is approaching an Iceberg. Ask Funcom how many people didn't renew subs after the first month - the biggest con I've seen since MMO's were launched.
Polish 20 levels and get the critics to report on them. Forget about the rest of the game because the dirty deed is already complete. Disgusting.
I've seen more depth in my paddling pool..
Well, they've already disproved your theory, by conning 700k 'monkeys' to buy their game. That is the hard part.
Now they just make the usual noises about future fixes to the multitude of broken stuff, added content that was promised at launch - meaningful PvP/sieging that works/raiding that works, amongst many other things - and the idiots believe the spin and lies.
Unfortunately, the majority of MMO players are sheep and have no minds of their own. Gaming sites are paid to give certain scores for garbage games, or give them because they have played tailored content for half an hour.
On the contrary, Funcom have learned a massive lesson from AC - how to market a mundane and uninspiring game - grats to them.
One of two things is going to happen with AoC by the end of 2008. Funcom will make enough positive changes and/or add significant and initially promised, but currently missing content, to drastically improve the game so that whoever is still playing will continue to sub and play. and people will come back to play through info and word of mouth about the improvements as well as new subscribers and the game will be a moderate success.
Or, the patches and changes/fixes will continue as they have been, which are very very minimal improvements and tech performance will continue to suffer so that by the end of 2008 when other games, importantly WAR, will release and spell the death blow for AoC. There will still be diehards playing it and it certainly won't be cancelled, but it will never be any type of success.
The ball is in Funcoms court right now. They have ALOT of very disappointed and angry MMO players right now, but they do have a solid enough base of a game to build on if they choose to do so. As it is now though without significant changes, it will not succeed.
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Spelling, tut tut!!!
It's "I trust FC. They know they're shit..."
And so what if he cant spell right ?
Dose that mean he has to stay away form this forum, and leav it to the only the ones that can spell. And dont have a chance to inlighten others or to say what he thinks ?
Today a new MMORPG has ONE and only ONE chance to have an impact and that's LAUNCH.
A come back is in no ways possible.
Too much hype for newer games on the horizon. ... They never come back.
Vanguard at what 50K players, LOTRO at 180K, TR 90K. D&DO, 80 K.
They have exactly one month to create the hype AND launch a near perfect product.
That month has passed for Conan.
And the base btw isn't there: the graphics system is such a heavy weight champ that the lag and FPS drops prime the game fights in those so called epic 48vs48 battles (just like I predicted 4 months ago btw).
Well, 180K subscribers is nothing to be ashamed of in all honesty. And depending on how the game goes, there is a chance for a revival. You'll never get the same hype you did at launch, but you can make a slight comeback. Vanguard right now is having a large revival.
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AOC may never reach 1 million subs
but , long term, it will probably do at least as well as LOTRO - if not better
sub counts don't matter too much to people playing the game tho
-- what matters is whether you are having fun
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