lol I think that even the games my daughter plays on Barbi.com kill WOW. Every since they started to nerf and change the classes, WOW has sucked. When you have a cloth wearing priest standing toe to toe with a DPS or Tank class, then you know WOW sucks. Whoever came up with the ideal that a Druid is a tanking class ought to be tossed out on their head. I understand this is a game and a fantasy world but in every mmo I have ever played, you will never find the kind of balogna that you find in WOW. WoWs dev team and the powers to be kill WOW all by itself from the classes, auction house prices to the mount prices they killed the game. I think in about a year after all the dust settles and the haters go away (once they figure out they are on the losing end of the mmo battle) AOC will be a top rated game, with a larger player base than WOW has. To the OP, WOW was dead long before AOC. Posting numbers on here does no good, because everyone on here is a CPA when it comes to sales.
This is easily my fav. post. It's so ridiculous.
Omg! Blizzard is giving us different options for archetypes! I can respec and become something different without having to spend more time leveling another freakin class.OMG OMG OMG.
Get over yourself, man. I hate to say this, but your opinion sucks. Yeah, I said it. I really hate when people say that, but god damn, that has to be the most retarded thing I've ever read.
The idea that if have the gear, I can change my archetype within minutes, is awesome. Sure, its going to cost some gold, but it works.
And wait... we have to WORK for our mounts?! OMFG. Are youserious?! Thats complete bull crap! I wanted it granted to me insantly! Its bad enough that I have to use flight paths to get every where, but now you're making me PAY FOR A MOUNT?! GET OUT OF HERE!
Seriously though, the economy is great in the game. Don't bitch about how shit is high priced. It's player controlled. I've seen prices for one item on a server be 300g, and 150g on another server. THERE ARE ACTUALLY HUMANS PLAYING THIS GAME?!
True, Blizzard can control how many items spawn wherever, but so is the world. you don't think most economies are controlled by someone, if not the government itself?
Originally posted by woody1974 Originally posted by bufford Originally posted by woody1974 lol I think that even the games my daughter plays on Barbi.com kill WOW. Every since they started to nerf and change the classes, WOW has sucked. When you have a cloth wearing priest standing toe to toe with a DPS or Tank class, then you know WOW sucks. Whoever came up with the ideal that a Druid is a tanking class ought to be tossed out on their head. I understand this is a game and a fantasy world but in every mmo I have ever played, you will never find the kind of balogna that you find in WOW. WoWs dev team and the powers to be kill WOW all by itself from the classes, auction house prices to the mount prices they killed the game. I think in about a year after all the dust settles and the haters go away (once they figure out they are on the losing end of the mmo battle) AOC will be a top rated game, with a larger player base than WOW has. To the OP, WOW was dead long before AOC. Posting numbers on here does no good, because everyone on here is a CPA when it comes to sales.
I'm not an AOC hater, nor am I a WoW Lover, but man, you have to pass me whatever it is your smoking since it alters reality to such an extent. WoW still has a larger player base by massive numbers than any other mmo and AOC has a long, long, long trek to becoming the game that beats out WoW in subs. Whatever you may think of WoW the numbers don't lie. You should alter your comment to say what you "hope" you want AOC to be because you don't have the facts, not anywhere close.
Yea I forgot you guys are gurus in the mmo world, you know everything because you have 500+ posts right? WoW is dead and they don't even know it, I see lots of guilds on aoc that came from WOW and many of them are highly respected guilds, but I guess that doesn't mean anything. I have my facts right where I want them, Ive played WOW since it released, I have 4 lvl 70s, 3 mid lvl 60s and I just give that up for the hell of it just for AOC because I don't have my facts straight. ok ok
Yes sir you are absolutely right. WOW is dead. We believe you. There is no reason to believe that you are lying, since you proved that WOW is dead. Thank you dear sir, i will convey your message to millions of players that are enjoying WOW, that they are playing a dead game.
lol I think that even the games my daughter plays on Barbi.com kill WOW. Every since they started to nerf and change the classes, WOW has sucked. When you have a cloth wearing priest standing toe to toe with a DPS or Tank class, then you know WOW sucks. Whoever came up with the ideal that a Druid is a tanking class ought to be tossed out on their head. I understand this is a game and a fantasy world but in every mmo I have ever played, you will never find the kind of balogna that you find in WOW. WoWs dev team and the powers to be kill WOW all by itself from the classes, auction house prices to the mount prices they killed the game. I think in about a year after all the dust settles and the haters go away (once they figure out they are on the losing end of the mmo battle) AOC will be a top rated game, with a larger player base than WOW has. To the OP, WOW was dead long before AOC. Posting numbers on here does no good, because everyone on here is a CPA when it comes to sales.
I'm not an AOC hater, nor am I a WoW Lover, but man, you have to pass me whatever it is your smoking since it alters reality to such an extent. WoW still has a larger player base by massive numbers than any other mmo and AOC has a long, long, long trek to becoming the game that beats out WoW in subs. Whatever you may think of WoW the numbers don't lie. You should alter your comment to say what you "hope" you want AOC to be because you don't have the facts, not anywhere close.
Yea I forgot you guys are gurus in the mmo world, you know everything because you have 500+ posts right? WoW is dead and they don't even know it, I see lots of guilds on aoc that came from WOW and many of them are highly respected guilds, but I guess that doesn't mean anything. I have my facts right where I want them, Ive played WOW since it released, I have 4 lvl 70s, 3 mid lvl 60s and I just give that up for the hell of it just for AOC because I don't have my facts straight. ok ok
Ok, that was a valid point. Seriously. But it's hard to take you serious after that bullshit post above this one
I saw alot of guilds from WoW too on AoC.... then i activated my WoW account on Sunday, and saw them back in WoW. It's no lie that people were interested in what AoC had to offer. Like everyone else said though, they released the game early, and it's not even half as good as FC promised. We've seen this happen with a lot of games.... Hellgate anyone? That game was suppose to be amazing, and it would've been had it not been released till it was ready.
First imrpessions are everything, and AoC gave off a poor first impression (except for the graphics, like I said. Those are amazing).
HAHAHAHA thats funny. Even people here defending AoC admit FC lied and decieved people. There PR sure knows there shit though because some people still follow blindly. Listne AoC will not dethrone WoW. I hate WoW with a passion but its going to have to be multiple good MMO's to take it down. No single game can do it. Specifically one that cant hold true to what they say in any aspect of there game.
Keep in mind Adam Sessler (who most of us will agree is an idiot) had a good point. He admits AoC has problems but has promice. I hope AoC can deliver as I will try it if they ever get the features in they keep saying you will get, but untill then and untill FC's PR stops tryin to spin AoC as Steak and wine Its going to turn off many, many vets.
lol I think that even the games my daughter plays on Barbi.com kill WOW. Every since they started to nerf and change the classes, WOW has sucked. When you have a cloth wearing priest standing toe to toe with a DPS or Tank class, then you know WOW sucks. Whoever came up with the ideal that a Druid is a tanking class ought to be tossed out on their head. I understand this is a game and a fantasy world but in every mmo I have ever played, you will never find the kind of balogna that you find in WOW. WoWs dev team and the powers to be kill WOW all by itself from the classes, auction house prices to the mount prices they killed the game. I think in about a year after all the dust settles and the haters go away (once they figure out they are on the losing end of the mmo battle) AOC will be a top rated game, with a larger player base than WOW has. To the OP, WOW was dead long before AOC. Posting numbers on here does no good, because everyone on here is a CPA when it comes to sales.
This is easily my fav. post. It's so ridiculous.
Omg! Blizzard is giving us different options for archetypes! I can respec and become something different without having to spend more time leveling another freakin class.OMG OMG OMG.
Get over yourself, man. I hate to say this, but your opinion sucks. Yeah, I said it. I really hate when people say that, but god damn, that has to be the most retarded thing I've ever read.
The idea that if have the gear, I can change my archetype within minutes, is awesome. Sure, its going to cost some gold, but it works.
And wait... we have to WORK for our mounts?! OMFG. Are youserious?! Thats complete bull crap! I wanted it granted to me insantly! Its bad enough that I have to use flight paths to get every where, but now you're making me PAY FOR A MOUNT?! GET OUT OF HERE!
Seriously though, the economy is great in the game. Don't bitch about how shit is high priced. It's player controlled. I've seen prices for one item on a server be 300g, and 150g on another server. THERE ARE ACTUALLY HUMANS PLAYING THIS GAME?!
True, Blizzard can control how many items spawn wherever, but so is the world. you don't think most economies are controlled by someone, if not the government itself?
I love you man.....
Flame on dude! way to put yourself in the spotlight. Have a nice vacation away from mmorpg.com for a few days.
... You seriously think this, or any other upcoming MMO, will stand a chance at dethroning WoW?
well wow has had 10 million players worldwide, now wait for it..............wait for it....................wait for it.........lineage 2 has had 17 million..therefore lineage 2 is the most successful mmo of all time. i know most of those players are from asia but so are most of that 10 million who play wow.
... You seriously think this, or any other upcoming MMO, will stand a chance at dethroning WoW?
well wow has had 10 million players worldwide, now wait for it..............wait for it....................wait for it.........lineage 2 has had 17 million..therefore lineage 2 is the most successful mmo of all time. i know most of those players are from asia but so are most of that 10 million who play wow.
I hope you know Lineage 2 is virtually dead nowadays... World of Warcraft helped in finishing it off. Just because something in the past had more subscribers than World of Warcraft, doesn't mean anything will now or in the future.
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WoW had 1.5 millions 4 months after relase. AoC already has 700k after 1 month. Impressive! I did not expect to see a WoW killer that soon!
Great work FC!
in your dreams AoC, have u counted the people who threw away their copies of AoC and cancelled their subscriptions after the first month? if they counted those people then that would mean taking off more than 50% of those 700,000. AoC doesn't stand a chance against WoW and WoW is still the king of mmo's. WoW kicks AoC's ass.
lol I think that even the games my daughter plays on Barbi.com kill WOW. Every since they started to nerf and change the classes, WOW has sucked. When you have a cloth wearing priest standing toe to toe with a DPS or Tank class, then you know WOW sucks. Whoever came up with the ideal that a Druid is a tanking class ought to be tossed out on their head. I understand this is a game and a fantasy world but in every mmo I have ever played, you will never find the kind of balogna that you find in WOW. WoWs dev team and the powers to be kill WOW all by itself from the classes, auction house prices to the mount prices they killed the game. I think in about a year after all the dust settles and the haters go away (once they figure out they are on the losing end of the mmo battle) AOC will be a top rated game, with a larger player base than WOW has. To the OP, WOW was dead long before AOC. Posting numbers on here does no good, because everyone on here is a CPA when it comes to sales.
Guess what. Wow outsells Conan already after 6 weeks.
At amazon.com AoC has already long lost its top sales positions.
So Wow outsells Conan after a mere 6 weeks of existence.
As if this wasn't enough...
The subscription cards for WOW are at position ... 17, while the subscription cards for Conan are now not even in the top ... 300.
So who is the King?
And The Litch King hasn't even arrived yet.... . Last sales for TBC in first month launch were 4.000.000 +. I guess WotLK will break that record easely with 4.5 million active paying subscriptions in the western world.
It is called superb and polished game design, through extensive Beta testing, something on which FUNCON doesn't have a clue.
So be happy with your Siege warfare at 5 frames per second ONCE every 2 weeks. We will have full Air, sea and land battles in our siege battles iand REAL open world battles as much as we like.
BTW: for those interested have a look at the airplanes in Ironforge...:))
Dude, how old are you? Did you get permission from mommy to use the PC?
lol I think that even the games my daughter plays on Barbi.com kill WOW. Every since they started to nerf and change the classes, WOW has sucked. When you have a cloth wearing priest standing toe to toe with a DPS or Tank class, then you know WOW sucks. Whoever came up with the ideal that a Druid is a tanking class ought to be tossed out on their head. I understand this is a game and a fantasy world but in every mmo I have ever played, you will never find the kind of balogna that you find in WOW. WoWs dev team and the powers to be kill WOW all by itself from the classes, auction house prices to the mount prices they killed the game. I think in about a year after all the dust settles and the haters go away (once they figure out they are on the losing end of the mmo battle) AOC will be a top rated game, with a larger player base than WOW has. To the OP, WOW was dead long before AOC. Posting numbers on here does no good, because everyone on here is a CPA when it comes to sales.
Guess what. Wow outsells Conan already after 6 weeks.
At amazon.com AoC has already long lost its top sales positions.
So Wow outsells Conan after a mere 6 weeks of existence.
As if this wasn't enough...
The subscription cards for WOW are at position ... 17, while the subscription cards for Conan are now not even in the top ... 300.
So who is the King?
And The Litch King hasn't even arrived yet.... . Last sales for TBC in first month launch were 4.000.000 +. I guess WotLK will break that record easely with 4.5 million active paying subscriptions in the western world.
It is called superb and polished game design, through extensive Beta testing, something on which FUNCON doesn't have a clue.
So be happy with your Siege warfare at 5 frames per second ONCE every 2 weeks. We will have full Air, sea and land battles in our siege battles iand REAL open world battles as much as we like.
BTW: for those interested have a look at the airplanes in Ironforge...:))
Dude, how old are you? Did you get permission from mommy to use the PC?
WoW had 1.5 millions 4 months after relase. AoC already has 700k after 1 month. Impressive! I did not expect to see a WoW killer that soon!
Great work FC!
I dont have nothng with underage peoples like you, with peoples that dont know how to use google.
dont have nothng troling AOC or WOW or any other game, but i must say these:
When you startd these thread MR.EDITOR, aparently you dont know nothng about games sells. The Burning Crusade was sold for 3,5 milions copys in the first 2-3 weeks. Also Mario wwi (not a mmo) sold in 6 millions copys last Christmas in that week.
More then that Diablo II (and wasnt a mmo, just arcade type on battlenet) was sold in 16 millions copys, and for sure these time sells will double, because was the most popular rpg in the early arcade multyplayer time, a worldwide love, the equivalent of Heroes of Might and Magic III TBS.
Your profecy dont have any fundamental base, AoC will not kill any other mmo, not even a single, multiplayer, arcade, or a console game, same like LOTR, just another ordinary mmo.
I dont have nothng with underage peoples like you, with peoples that dont know how to use google. dont have nothng troling AOC or WOW or any other game, but i must say these: When you startd these thread MR.EDITOR, aparently you dont know nothng about games sells. The Burning Crusade was sold for 3,5 milions copys in the first 2-3 weeks. Also Mario wwi (not a mmo) sold in 6 millions copys last Christmas in that week. More then that Diablo II (and wasnt a mmo, just arcade type on battlenet) was sold in 16 millions copys, and for sure these time sells will double, because was the most popular rpg in the early arcade multyplayer time, a worldwide love, the equivalent of Heroes of Might and Magic III TBS. Your profecy dont have any fundamental base, AoC will not kill any other mmo, not even a single, multiplayer, arcade, or a console game, same like LOTR, just another ordinary mmo.
Good point! Peoples bought AoC to play somthng diferent. Nothng impresive with AoC.
I still can't believe people justify a game that is not finished and still being released.
I mean i am not going to pay 50 euros for a game that is still broken. This was acceptable 5 years ago with mmo's but now ... come on get real ffs. Its like making something half done and you expect to get money for it?
lets see you live in a house that has no roof or something like that.Yes you can make a roof later but don't expect me to pay for the house before that roof is there.
If you want to make an mmo either make sure it is done @ release date or postpone it. And i thought people would learn what happened to everquest 2 but i guess you really need to experience it yourself before you learn. (yes everquest 2 was crap @ release date (ok some people didn't think so but most did).)
Atleast EA mythic was smart enough to realise that.
And yes i know money is a problem with game company's. But make a decent plan then or cut back on some gameplay stuff. (WTF @ lvl 80 btw, having big numbers doesn't mean anything btw and it doesn't help the content)
One discussion is whether AoC is good or not, is it broken etc. I have a strong opinion here myself but see that discussion as very different from the one the OP tries to have.
The other discussion is how AoC is doing sales and subscription wise. FC reported that 700,000 people have created accounts during the release frenzy. This is an impressive number by almost all means.
However, people who are on the servers have noted that alot of friends in their friend list/guild are not logging on anymore. We can note the amount of rage that alot of players are feeling around the state of the release client and how patches are applied and what those patches address. So the magic question becomes how many people are leaving? And how many new subscriptions are being created?
For the second question I believe that the Amazon sales chart says alot. This implies that new account creation is dropping very fast (based on the Amazon sales data).
In terms of how many people that are actually leaving the game I believe the best proxy to be X-fire activity. The absolut number of X-fire users tells us nothing since they will be more active in some game segments than others. When looking at a trend however I think it is fair to say that X-fire users are not different to other players in any major way. Looking at X-fire statistics activity has dropped by more than 50% in the first month (Source: http://www.xfire.com/games/aoc/Age_of_Conan_Hyborian_Adventures/ ).
That implies a huge drop in active accounts even during the first month before the free subscription month was over.
All-in-all I would say that all data (even though we do not know for sure) points in one direction and that is that sales are declining fast and that players are leaving after the first month in droves. 100-200k active subs by the end of September might be an accurate estimate based on what we know which would mean that AoC is a new LOTRO size-wise but on a very negative trend curve.
People claim that all MMORPG releases are buggy and we should tough period this out - this is normally the case (although we should be getting a near perfect release most problems can be lived with on a short-term). However, what strikes me as setting AoC apart from any other MMO release is what has happened to the game just after release - rather than actually fixing the bugs and putting a plan together that will introduce more content in a short time-frame Funcom do the following:
Create more bugs - this is the most shameful aspect of how this game is being handled, are any of these patches tested at all ? Bugs introduced or made worse so far include making drops through bridges and steps worse, feats breaking, lag spikes, graphical glitches with trees occluding stuff they should not and leaves missing, slots disappearing and gems vanishing, performance issues, crashing and lag dropouts. This is the tip of the iceberg - the list goes on...
Class balancing and nerfing - this game has not been around long enough yet for many to get a proper feel for how the class balance works, I can understand some classes appear overpowered (ToS for one - I have a 68 ToS and realise how unbalanced it was) but FC take a sledgehammer to crack a walnut, nerf AoE across the board and destroy classes that already are seen as a bit week by any (necro fixes, anyone?). A more considered approach should have been taken to the balancing. In fact how was balance tested during the development cycle - was it tested at all ?
Patch things that are totally irrelevant at this point in time - mob eyebrows ?, freckles, dancing, tooltip changes, etc. At this early stages the fixing of bugs should place a priority on crititcal bugs - the ones that will cause customers to leave. Performance, stability and broken features should be addressed first.
Poor customer support - this has to be one of the hardest games to get a GM/support answer on. Forum posts are regularly deleted and feedback to the community to the devs is severely lacking. Try getting an answer to a petition before it times out and you have to resubmit it.
Lies - Funcom have flat-out lied about things that should have been in the game at launch and have misled us to the point that I am surprised legal procedures have not ensued, they also continue to lie and spin-doctor their way out of trouble after release. Fortunately most players can see past the smoke and mirrors.
Any MMO released so far has had chance to recover from its initial bugs and design flaws and many have, but to do so you should be fixing the problems, talking to the fanbase and providing support - Funcom are doing none of these, this game has too many critical, game-breaking issues for many players that should be a priority. For me and many others this game has already crashed and burned - some people just need more time to realise this than others. I hope other developers are watching this game closely - it gives many pointers on how a release should NOT be handled.
Another thing to note about sales of AoC (back on topic now) - my local GAME got a stack of copies in at time of release and the majority of them are still sat there now unsold (I have talked to staff about this and confirmed they are intial allocation). How accurate is the actual sales figure and is it just the case that the 700,000+ being quoted is what had shipped ? I don't remember Funcom actually quoting their own sales and subscription figurea.
My local GAME had np at all selling out of EQ2, WoW, Daoc or most other MMO games at release and top selling console titles have managed to fly out of stock in the past so the shop itself should be busy enough to sell those copies.
How accurate is the actual sales figure and is it just the case that the 700,000+ being quoted is what had shipped ? I don't remember Funcom actually quoting their own sales and subscription figurea.
a king ??? dunno about that maybe an earl or summit further down the monarchy food chain . lol . as others have said units sold and subscribers are two very different things . it ll proberbly be a moderate success on a par with lord of the rings or city of heroes . its not a wow killer . if it was you would see huge numbers leaving warcraft for it . all your getting it people who ve brought it tried it and came back bad mouthing it . i personally wanted to like it . it has some nice ideas but it also gets far too many things wrong game play wise .
most people i know are describing it as a broken game ...thats not just wow fanbois i play lord of the rings too .
i d be willing to give it another go if theres a free trial available so i can see how much its improved .
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This is easily my fav. post. It's so ridiculous.
Omg! Blizzard is giving us different options for archetypes! I can respec and become something different without having to spend more time leveling another freakin class.OMG OMG OMG.
Get over yourself, man. I hate to say this, but your opinion sucks. Yeah, I said it. I really hate when people say that, but god damn, that has to be the most retarded thing I've ever read.
The idea that if have the gear, I can change my archetype within minutes, is awesome. Sure, its going to cost some gold, but it works.
And wait... we have to WORK for our mounts?! OMFG. Are youserious?! Thats complete bull crap! I wanted it granted to me insantly! Its bad enough that I have to use flight paths to get every where, but now you're making me PAY FOR A MOUNT?! GET OUT OF HERE!
Seriously though, the economy is great in the game. Don't bitch about how shit is high priced. It's player controlled. I've seen prices for one item on a server be 300g, and 150g on another server. THERE ARE ACTUALLY HUMANS PLAYING THIS GAME?!
True, Blizzard can control how many items spawn wherever, but so is the world. you don't think most economies are controlled by someone, if not the government itself?
I love you man.....
I'm not an AOC hater, nor am I a WoW Lover, but man, you have to pass me whatever it is your smoking since it alters reality to such an extent. WoW still has a larger player base by massive numbers than any other mmo and AOC has a long, long, long trek to becoming the game that beats out WoW in subs. Whatever you may think of WoW the numbers don't lie. You should alter your comment to say what you "hope" you want AOC to be because you don't have the facts, not anywhere close.
Yea I forgot you guys are gurus in the mmo world, you know everything because you have 500+ posts right? WoW is dead and they don't even know it, I see lots of guilds on aoc that came from WOW and many of them are highly respected guilds, but I guess that doesn't mean anything. I have my facts right where I want them, Ive played WOW since it released, I have 4 lvl 70s, 3 mid lvl 60s and I just give that up for the hell of it just for AOC because I don't have my facts straight. ok ok
Yes sir you are absolutely right. WOW is dead. We believe you. There is no reason to believe that you are lying, since you proved that WOW is dead. Thank you dear sir, i will convey your message to millions of players that are enjoying WOW, that they are playing a dead game.
I'm not an AOC hater, nor am I a WoW Lover, but man, you have to pass me whatever it is your smoking since it alters reality to such an extent. WoW still has a larger player base by massive numbers than any other mmo and AOC has a long, long, long trek to becoming the game that beats out WoW in subs. Whatever you may think of WoW the numbers don't lie. You should alter your comment to say what you "hope" you want AOC to be because you don't have the facts, not anywhere close.
Yea I forgot you guys are gurus in the mmo world, you know everything because you have 500+ posts right? WoW is dead and they don't even know it, I see lots of guilds on aoc that came from WOW and many of them are highly respected guilds, but I guess that doesn't mean anything. I have my facts right where I want them, Ive played WOW since it released, I have 4 lvl 70s, 3 mid lvl 60s and I just give that up for the hell of it just for AOC because I don't have my facts straight. ok ok
Ok, that was a valid point. Seriously. But it's hard to take you serious after that bullshit post above this one
I saw alot of guilds from WoW too on AoC.... then i activated my WoW account on Sunday, and saw them back in WoW. It's no lie that people were interested in what AoC had to offer. Like everyone else said though, they released the game early, and it's not even half as good as FC promised. We've seen this happen with a lot of games.... Hellgate anyone? That game was suppose to be amazing, and it would've been had it not been released till it was ready.
First imrpessions are everything, and AoC gave off a poor first impression (except for the graphics, like I said. Those are amazing).
HAHAHAHA thats funny. Even people here defending AoC admit FC lied and decieved people. There PR sure knows there shit though because some people still follow blindly. Listne AoC will not dethrone WoW. I hate WoW with a passion but its going to have to be multiple good MMO's to take it down. No single game can do it. Specifically one that cant hold true to what they say in any aspect of there game.
Keep in mind Adam Sessler (who most of us will agree is an idiot) had a good point. He admits AoC has problems but has promice. I hope AoC can deliver as I will try it if they ever get the features in they keep saying you will get, but untill then and untill FC's PR stops tryin to spin AoC as Steak and wine Its going to turn off many, many vets.
This is easily my fav. post. It's so ridiculous.
Omg! Blizzard is giving us different options for archetypes! I can respec and become something different without having to spend more time leveling another freakin class.OMG OMG OMG.
Get over yourself, man. I hate to say this, but your opinion sucks. Yeah, I said it. I really hate when people say that, but god damn, that has to be the most retarded thing I've ever read.
The idea that if have the gear, I can change my archetype within minutes, is awesome. Sure, its going to cost some gold, but it works.
And wait... we have to WORK for our mounts?! OMFG. Are youserious?! Thats complete bull crap! I wanted it granted to me insantly! Its bad enough that I have to use flight paths to get every where, but now you're making me PAY FOR A MOUNT?! GET OUT OF HERE!
Seriously though, the economy is great in the game. Don't bitch about how shit is high priced. It's player controlled. I've seen prices for one item on a server be 300g, and 150g on another server. THERE ARE ACTUALLY HUMANS PLAYING THIS GAME?!
True, Blizzard can control how many items spawn wherever, but so is the world. you don't think most economies are controlled by someone, if not the government itself?
I love you man.....
Flame on dude! way to put yourself in the spotlight. Have a nice vacation away from mmorpg.com for a few days.
well wow has had 10 million players worldwide, now wait for it..............wait for it....................wait for it.........lineage 2 has had 17 million..therefore lineage 2 is the most successful mmo of all time. i know most of those players are from asia but so are most of that 10 million who play wow.
Wait for it..........................Wait for it..................................LOLZ
well wow has had 10 million players worldwide, now wait for it..............wait for it....................wait for it.........lineage 2 has had 17 million..therefore lineage 2 is the most successful mmo of all time. i know most of those players are from asia but so are most of that 10 million who play wow.
I hope you know Lineage 2 is virtually dead nowadays... World of Warcraft helped in finishing it off. Just because something in the past had more subscribers than World of Warcraft, doesn't mean anything will now or in the future.
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in your dreams AoC, have u counted the people who threw away their copies of AoC and cancelled their subscriptions after the first month? if they counted those people then that would mean taking off more than 50% of those 700,000. AoC doesn't stand a chance against WoW and WoW is still the king of mmo's. WoW kicks AoC's ass.
HaHaHaHaHaHaHa..........HaHaHaHaHaHa...........(oh man I am laughing so hard my stomach hurts)! Someone is out of their damn mind!
Guess what. Wow outsells Conan already after 6 weeks.
At amazon.com AoC has already long lost its top sales positions.
And guess which games just sell better ? :--)
http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1215096516/ref=sr_nr_n_4?ie=UTF8&rs=468642&bbn=229575&rnid=11846801&rh=n%3A468642%2Cn%3A229575
and for the Central EU market:
http://www.amazon.de/Computerspiele-Games/s/qid=1215096748/ref=sr_nr_n_1?ie=UTF8&rs=300992&bbn=301129&rnid=541708&rh=n%3A300992%2Cn%3A301129
So Wow outsells Conan after a mere 6 weeks of existence.
As if this wasn't enough...
The subscription cards for WOW are at position ... 17, while the subscription cards for Conan are now not even in the top ... 300.
So who is the King?
And The Litch King hasn't even arrived yet....
. Last sales for TBC in first month launch were 4.000.000 +. I guess WotLK will break that record easely with 4.5 million active paying subscriptions in the western world.
It is called superb and polished game design, through extensive Beta testing, something on which FUNCON doesn't have a clue.
So be happy with your Siege warfare at 5 frames per second ONCE every 2 weeks. We will have full Air, sea and land battles in our siege battles iand REAL open world battles as much as we like.
BTW: for those interested have a look at the airplanes in Ironforge...:))
Dude, how old are you? Did you get permission from mommy to use the PC?
Guess what. Wow outsells Conan already after 6 weeks.
At amazon.com AoC has already long lost its top sales positions.
And guess which games just sell better ? :--)
http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1215096516/ref=sr_nr_n_4?ie=UTF8&rs=468642&bbn=229575&rnid=11846801&rh=n%3A468642%2Cn%3A229575
and for the Central EU market:
http://www.amazon.de/Computerspiele-Games/s/qid=1215096748/ref=sr_nr_n_1?ie=UTF8&rs=300992&bbn=301129&rnid=541708&rh=n%3A300992%2Cn%3A301129
So Wow outsells Conan after a mere 6 weeks of existence.
As if this wasn't enough...
The subscription cards for WOW are at position ... 17, while the subscription cards for Conan are now not even in the top ... 300.
So who is the King?
And The Litch King hasn't even arrived yet....
. Last sales for TBC in first month launch were 4.000.000 +. I guess WotLK will break that record easely with 4.5 million active paying subscriptions in the western world.
It is called superb and polished game design, through extensive Beta testing, something on which FUNCON doesn't have a clue.
So be happy with your Siege warfare at 5 frames per second ONCE every 2 weeks. We will have full Air, sea and land battles in our siege battles iand REAL open world battles as much as we like.
BTW: for those interested have a look at the airplanes in Ironforge...:))
Dude, how old are you? Did you get permission from mommy to use the PC?
Why? does the information hurts ?
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ouch
Wrong.
Not arguing that WOW isn't the more popular game, but if you're going to quote numbers, get them right.
4.5 million North American accounts. We have no idea how many are still active, Blizzard doesn't published "active paying subscription" data.
o im pretty sure its subscribers not accounts...if u check there website it says 10 million subscribers so yer...
Wrong.
Not arguing that WOW isn't the more popular game, but if you're going to quote numbers, get them right.
4.5 million North American accounts. We have no idea how many are still active, Blizzard doesn't published "active paying subscription" data.
Sorry but you are wrong. Blizzard published the "active paying subscription data" and they have 2.5 mil. active subscribers in north amercia.
Wrong.
Not arguing that WOW isn't the more popular game, but if you're going to quote numbers, get them right.
4.5 million North American accounts. We have no idea how many are still active, Blizzard doesn't published "active paying subscription" data.
Sorry but you are wrong. Blizzard published the "active paying subscription data" and they have 2.5 mil. active subscribers in north amercia.
over 2.5 mil in US, over 2 mil in EU and other are asian subs
I dont have nothng with underage peoples like you, with peoples that dont know how to use google.
dont have nothng troling AOC or WOW or any other game, but i must say these:
When you startd these thread MR.EDITOR, aparently you dont know nothng about games sells. The Burning Crusade was sold for 3,5 milions copys in the first 2-3 weeks. Also Mario wwi (not a mmo) sold in 6 millions copys last Christmas in that week.
More then that Diablo II (and wasnt a mmo, just arcade type on battlenet) was sold in 16 millions copys, and for sure these time sells will double, because was the most popular rpg in the early arcade multyplayer time, a worldwide love, the equivalent of Heroes of Might and Magic III TBS.
Your profecy dont have any fundamental base, AoC will not kill any other mmo, not even a single, multiplayer, arcade, or a console game, same like LOTR, just another ordinary mmo.
Good point! Peoples bought AoC to play somthng diferent. Nothng impresive with AoC.
I still can't believe people justify a game that is not finished and still being released.
I mean i am not going to pay 50 euros for a game that is still broken. This was acceptable 5 years ago with mmo's but now ... come on get real ffs. Its like making something half done and you expect to get money for it?
lets see you live in a house that has no roof or something like that.Yes you can make a roof later but don't expect me to pay for the house before that roof is there.
If you want to make an mmo either make sure it is done @ release date or postpone it. And i thought people would learn what happened to everquest 2 but i guess you really need to experience it yourself before you learn. (yes everquest 2 was crap @ release date (ok some people didn't think so but most did).)
Atleast EA mythic was smart enough to realise that.
And yes i know money is a problem with game company's. But make a decent plan then or cut back on some gameplay stuff. (WTF @ lvl 80 btw, having big numbers doesn't mean anything btw and it doesn't help the content)
One discussion is whether AoC is good or not, is it broken etc. I have a strong opinion here myself but see that discussion as very different from the one the OP tries to have.
The other discussion is how AoC is doing sales and subscription wise. FC reported that 700,000 people have created accounts during the release frenzy. This is an impressive number by almost all means.
However, people who are on the servers have noted that alot of friends in their friend list/guild are not logging on anymore. We can note the amount of rage that alot of players are feeling around the state of the release client and how patches are applied and what those patches address. So the magic question becomes how many people are leaving? And how many new subscriptions are being created?
For the second question I believe that the Amazon sales chart says alot. This implies that new account creation is dropping very fast (based on the Amazon sales data).
In terms of how many people that are actually leaving the game I believe the best proxy to be X-fire activity. The absolut number of X-fire users tells us nothing since they will be more active in some game segments than others. When looking at a trend however I think it is fair to say that X-fire users are not different to other players in any major way. Looking at X-fire statistics activity has dropped by more than 50% in the first month (Source: http://www.xfire.com/games/aoc/Age_of_Conan_Hyborian_Adventures/ ).
That implies a huge drop in active accounts even during the first month before the free subscription month was over.
All-in-all I would say that all data (even though we do not know for sure) points in one direction and that is that sales are declining fast and that players are leaving after the first month in droves. 100-200k active subs by the end of September might be an accurate estimate based on what we know which would mean that AoC is a new LOTRO size-wise but on a very negative trend curve.
People claim that all MMORPG releases are buggy and we should tough period this out - this is normally the case (although we should be getting a near perfect release most problems can be lived with on a short-term). However, what strikes me as setting AoC apart from any other MMO release is what has happened to the game just after release - rather than actually fixing the bugs and putting a plan together that will introduce more content in a short time-frame Funcom do the following:
Create more bugs - this is the most shameful aspect of how this game is being handled, are any of these patches tested at all ? Bugs introduced or made worse so far include making drops through bridges and steps worse, feats breaking, lag spikes, graphical glitches with trees occluding stuff they should not and leaves missing, slots disappearing and gems vanishing, performance issues, crashing and lag dropouts. This is the tip of the iceberg - the list goes on...
Class balancing and nerfing - this game has not been around long enough yet for many to get a proper feel for how the class balance works, I can understand some classes appear overpowered (ToS for one - I have a 68 ToS and realise how unbalanced it was) but FC take a sledgehammer to crack a walnut, nerf AoE across the board and destroy classes that already are seen as a bit week by any (necro fixes, anyone?). A more considered approach should have been taken to the balancing. In fact how was balance tested during the development cycle - was it tested at all ?
Patch things that are totally irrelevant at this point in time - mob eyebrows ?, freckles, dancing, tooltip changes, etc. At this early stages the fixing of bugs should place a priority on crititcal bugs - the ones that will cause customers to leave. Performance, stability and broken features should be addressed first.
Poor customer support - this has to be one of the hardest games to get a GM/support answer on. Forum posts are regularly deleted and feedback to the community to the devs is severely lacking. Try getting an answer to a petition before it times out and you have to resubmit it.
Lies - Funcom have flat-out lied about things that should have been in the game at launch and have misled us to the point that I am surprised legal procedures have not ensued, they also continue to lie and spin-doctor their way out of trouble after release. Fortunately most players can see past the smoke and mirrors.
Any MMO released so far has had chance to recover from its initial bugs and design flaws and many have, but to do so you should be fixing the problems, talking to the fanbase and providing support - Funcom are doing none of these, this game has too many critical, game-breaking issues for many players that should be a priority. For me and many others this game has already crashed and burned - some people just need more time to realise this than others. I hope other developers are watching this game closely - it gives many pointers on how a release should NOT be handled.
Another thing to note about sales of AoC (back on topic now) - my local GAME got a stack of copies in at time of release and the majority of them are still sat there now unsold (I have talked to staff about this and confirmed they are intial allocation). How accurate is the actual sales figure and is it just the case that the 700,000+ being quoted is what had shipped ? I don't remember Funcom actually quoting their own sales and subscription figurea.
My local GAME had np at all selling out of EQ2, WoW, Daoc or most other MMO games at release and top selling console titles have managed to fly out of stock in the past so the shop itself should be busy enough to sell those copies.
its 700k registered accounts
www.funcom.com/wsp/funcom/frontend.cgi
With more than 700.000 accounts created so far we have a fantastic platform to build from
EQ2 fan sites
a king ??? dunno about that maybe an earl or summit further down the monarchy food chain . lol . as others have said units sold and subscribers are two very different things . it ll proberbly be a moderate success on a par with lord of the rings or city of heroes . its not a wow killer . if it was you would see huge numbers leaving warcraft for it . all your getting it people who ve brought it tried it and came back bad mouthing it . i personally wanted to like it . it has some nice ideas but it also gets far too many things wrong game play wise .
most people i know are describing it as a broken game ...thats not just wow fanbois i play lord of the rings too .
i d be willing to give it another go if theres a free trial available so i can see how much its improved .
it really needs a lot of work imo
new king? I will just comment next thing: LOL