vapotrolls will claim that dfo is vapoware as long as it wont be finally lunched. after that they will stick to something else, probably to dfo not beeing most popular game out there (because it wont be for sure). just ignore them.
i can see where vaporware trolls are coming from, as i can with people who think the game may turn out like DnL (ok maybe not that bad, but not up to the hype).
But id love if it came out the way it is on paper as i think a lot of the trolls would too
1) This is not a new announcement, but a reguritation of the old stock holder's meeting statement saying they signed a "memorandum of agreement". There is no reason to believe the "agreement" is a binding contract, and as such does not add any weight to the hope of Darkfall releasing.
2) The bond is not for Darkfall. Stating that is the same as stating they are getting a new Board of Directors and issuing stock dividends because they signed an agreement to distribute.
3) The original release stated the bond issue is to repay an existing loan (i.e. simply turning debt over). Find the original statement for proof. It is also 5 mil Euros, not dollars.
Hoping the game will release, and be halfway decent, is one thing, but coming up with some idea that AudioVisual is restructuring their company because they signed an "agreement" is absurd.
1) This is not a new announcement, but a reguritation of the old stock holder's meeting statement saying they signed a "memorandum of agreement". There is no reason to believe the "agreement" is a binding contract, and as such does not add any weight to the hope of Darkfall releasing. 2) The bond is not for Darkfall. Stating that is the same as stating they are getting a new Board of Directors and issuing stock dividends because they signed an agreement to distribute. 3) The original release stated the bond issue is to repay an existing loan (i.e. simply turning debt over). Find the original statement for proof. It is also 5 mil Euros, not dollars. Hoping the game will release, and be halfway decent, is one thing, but coming up with some idea that AudioVisual is restructuring their company because they signed an "agreement" is absurd.
They are not restructuring their company, they are creating a new gaming branch inside the Company.
Reading is good for you... an Agreement is the same as a contract.
Why do you guys hate Darkfall so much? Are all these guys AoC fanbois worried Darkfall will take there pvpers away? will they do the same for fallen earth, earthrise and mortal online? i dont get it.
It's a known fact that some of the vaportrolls are developers from other mmorpg titles, out to slander the competition and scare off potential players.
1) This is not a new announcement, but a reguritation of the old stock holder's meeting statement saying they signed a "memorandum of agreement". There is no reason to believe the "agreement" is a binding contract, and as such does not add any weight to the hope of Darkfall releasing. 2) The bond is not for Darkfall. Stating that is the same as stating they are getting a new Board of Directors and issuing stock dividends because they signed an agreement to distribute. 3) The original release stated the bond issue is to repay an existing loan (i.e. simply turning debt over). Find the original statement for proof. It is also 5 mil Euros, not dollars. Hoping the game will release, and be halfway decent, is one thing, but coming up with some idea that AudioVisual is restructuring their company because they signed an "agreement" is absurd.
They are not restructuring their company, they are creating a new gaming branch inside the Company.
Reading is good for you... an Agreement is the same as a contract.
I'm sorry to say this but you're coming off as a little desperate. What other online games is Aventurine producing other than Darkfall?
It doesn't say anything about Darkfall though.
Razorwax was making online gambling games before Darkfall or trying too. And since Aventurine basically is Razorwax they could be distributing little online "gaming" (gambling) games.
You would think it would specifically mention "Darkfall" and "MMORPG" if it had to do with that.
Aventurine S.A is only making a game called Darkfall, only one.=)
And i just have to salute you on your comical sides - youre just amazingly funny.
I mean still claiming vaporvare based on your reasoning is just hillariously fun. You have a gift mate.
Give me some more "logical" explanations why its not the final nail in the coffin. Just one for my amusement, pretty please?
1) This is not a new announcement, but a reguritation of the old stock holder's meeting statement saying they signed a "memorandum of agreement". There is no reason to believe the "agreement" is a binding contract, and as such does not add any weight to the hope of Darkfall releasing. 2) The bond is not for Darkfall. Stating that is the same as stating they are getting a new Board of Directors and issuing stock dividends because they signed an agreement to distribute. 3) The original release stated the bond issue is to repay an existing loan (i.e. simply turning debt over). Find the original statement for proof. It is also 5 mil Euros, not dollars. Hoping the game will release, and be halfway decent, is one thing, but coming up with some idea that AudioVisual is restructuring their company because they signed an "agreement" is absurd.
This is a stock-sensitive announcement, and as such it is as serious a committment as it gets in the business world. I quote: "Ikona Ihos S.A. announced that it has signed an agreement with Aventurine S.A. for the exclusive distribution of on line gaming products within the territory of Europe."
This is the first time we have read this in native english, rather than google-translated Greek, and it's clear there is no ambiguity that AVE are the publisher for Darkfall in Europe.
In the previous (Greek) announcement AVE said they planned to create a whole new games distribution business unit, that's where that bit of speculation comes from.
Why do you guys hate Darkfall so much? Are all these guys AoC fanbois worried Darkfall will take there pvpers away? will they do the same for fallen earth, earthrise and mortal online? i dont get it.
It's a known fact that some of the vaportrolls are developers from other mmorpg titles, out to slander the competition and scare off potential players.
True. They been caught with their hands in the cockee jar more then once during Darkfall Development.
Funcom had to make a official excuse when one of there Developers invaded Darkfall main website.
And its good to see the contract in plain english, reading Greek isnt my speciality.
1) This is not a new announcement, but a reguritation of the old stock holder's meeting statement saying they signed a "memorandum of agreement". There is no reason to believe the "agreement" is a binding contract, and as such does not add any weight to the hope of Darkfall releasing. 2) The bond is not for Darkfall. Stating that is the same as stating they are getting a new Board of Directors and issuing stock dividends because they signed an agreement to distribute. 3) The original release stated the bond issue is to repay an existing loan (i.e. simply turning debt over). Find the original statement for proof. It is also 5 mil Euros, not dollars. Hoping the game will release, and be halfway decent, is one thing, but coming up with some idea that AudioVisual is restructuring their company because they signed an "agreement" is absurd.
They are not restructuring their company, they are creating a new gaming branch inside the Company.
Reading is good for you... an Agreement is the same as a contract.
Issueing a $10,000,000 bond for a "gaming division" would qualify as restructoring.
An agreement is not the same as a binding contract. If one party backs out or cannot fullfill their side of the agreement (i.e. the game is never released), there is no harm. A contract generaly would specify penalities for late delivery, specifics on distribution, pricing, etc. There is no reason to believe the "agreement" has any penalties for non-compliance.
If there is no harm in one party not fullfilling it's side of the agreement, then neither party has to demonstrate their ability to fullfill it (i.e. Adventurine may not have had to prove the game is (nearly) ready to be released). If Adventurine doesn't come through, then Audio Visual looses nothing. If Audio Visual backs out, then Adventurine... well, they'd be screwed, but that's just part of being a small company dealing with big ones.
Darkfall is still vaporware and will be until it actually is released. As amazing and revolutionary as Darkfall is supposed to be, and they cant nail a distributor bigger then some Greek internet VHS order company that has not distributed or sold any PC games to date???
For all of you shouting with big goofy smiles on your face that this proves that Darkfall is real, just think about it.
If this game was even 1% as great as they advertise it to be on the Darkfall website, then surely they'd be able to show a demo to big time distributors who would be more then happy to be associated with distributing the game for max profitability for both Adventurine and for themselves as a distributor. But instead, no legit distributor wants to even touch this steaming pile of crap called Darkfall, so Adventurine must stoop so low as to call some Greek VHS order website their distributor?!?
..And this is good news and proves Darkfall is for real?!??? Huh?
Are you serious?
I'd be embarrassed if I were Adventurine to have to resort so low to call this Greek VHS company my distributor for my "revolutionary game"
I'd be way more embarrassed however to be discovered to be the distributor for vaporware if I was AudioVisual, the Greek VHS website company. Maybe that's why they went ahead and agreed however, because they knew that they'd never actually have to distribute anything besides mysterious vapors and the only real game they would ever distribute would be in all these fanboys dreams and delusions.
in 1962 some music comany decca records said no to beatles, because they belived that guitar bands have no future. why should any game publishe belive that sandbox game will sell? just look on mmorpg market - there is eve online with 200k subsribers and basically nothing else. majority of mmorpg players dont want to play game with open pvp and full loot, so its easy to see that dfo wont be bestseller - and thats the reason why biggest gaming companies arent interested in publishng dfo.
Darkfall is still vaporware and will be until it actually is released.
As amazing and revolutionary as Darkfall is supposed to be, and they cant nail a distributor bigger then some Greek internet VHS order company that has not distributed or sold any PC games to date??? For all of you shouting with big goofy smiles on your face that this proves that Darkfall is real, just think about it. If this game was even 1% as great as they advertise it to be on the Darkfall website, then surely they'd be able to show a demo to big time distributors who would be more then happy to be associated with distributing the game for max profitability for both Adventurine and for themselves as a distributor. But instead, no legit distributor wants to even touch this steaming pile of crap called Darkfall, so Adventurine must stoop so low as to call some Greek VHS order website their distributor?!? ..And this is good news and proves Darkfall is for real?!???
Huh? Are you serious? I'd be embarrassed if I were Adventurine to have to resort so low to call this Greek VHS company my distributor for my "revolutionary game" I'd be way more embarrassed however to be discovered to be the distributor for vaporware if I was AudioVisual, the Greek VHS website company. Maybe that's why they went ahead and agreed however, because they knew that they'd never actually have to distribute anything besides mysterious vapors and the only real game they would ever distribute would be in all these fanboys dreams and delusions.
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Originally posted by MaximumPvP I'd be way more embarrassed however to be discovered to be the distributor for vaporware if I was AudioVisual, the Greek VHS website company. Maybe that's why they went ahead and agreed however, because they knew that they'd never actually have to distribute anything besides mysterious vapors and the only real game they would ever distribute would be in all these fanboys dreams and delusions.
I LOL'ed in real life.
The publisher agreed to distribute the game because IT IS vaporware?!?!
LOL
You guys are really grasping at straws. I can't wait to see what you guys try to claim when release comes along! It's going to be SO funny!
"Release means nothing! If I don't have a copy in my hands then it's still vapor and all the fans claiming they are in and playing the game are all obviously Tasos in disguise!"
Darkfall is still vaporware and will be until it actually is released.
As amazing and revolutionary as Darkfall is supposed to be, and they cant nail a distributor bigger then some Greek internet VHS order company that has not distributed or sold any PC games to date??? For all of you shouting with big goofy smiles on your face that this proves that Darkfall is real, just think about it. If this game was even 1% as great as they advertise it to be on the Darkfall website, then surely they'd be able to show a demo to big time distributors who would be more then happy to be associated with distributing the game for max profitability for both Adventurine and for themselves as a distributor. But instead, no legit distributor wants to even touch this steaming pile of crap called Darkfall, so Adventurine must stoop so low as to call some Greek VHS order website their distributor?!? ..And this is good news and proves Darkfall is for real?!???
Huh? Are you serious? I'd be embarrassed if I were Adventurine to have to resort so low to call this Greek VHS company my distributor for my "revolutionary game" I'd be way more embarrassed however to be discovered to be the distributor for vaporware if I was AudioVisual, the Greek VHS website company. Maybe that's why they went ahead and agreed however, because they knew that they'd never actually have to distribute anything besides mysterious vapors and the only real game they would ever distribute would be in all these fanboys dreams and delusions.
Although I agree that AudioVisual has nothing to loose, and that it does not prove much if anything... However, (if the game exists, etc.) they may not have been able to land a better suited company to distribute because 1) they may think AudioVisual is up to the task (i.e. they only need a distributer, not publisher offering billing, support, web servers, etc.), 2) a game publishing company would require control over content, 3) an established company may not be as likely to grant an unknown as good of terms, and 4) Darkfall, even if it delivers on every promise they've made, is low on graphics, is semi-new concept (it's been done, but not recently), and is all-in-all different from the expected high-gloss eye-candy.
(Calling it vaporware until it releases, is like saying you'll be a troll until you stop complaining. It's the definition.)
ehh grasping at strings pretty hard there arent you. And i dont think we apriciate being called delusinal. and no company signs a agreemeant with out seeing the product
He called fanbois delusional. Unless you are admitting to being one, you have nothing to complain about.
You would think it would specifically mention "Darkfall" and "MMORPG" if it had to do with that.
They can't mention the name Darkfall, other threads posted in these forums have proven that they don't have the right to use the name from the US Trademark office.
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You would think it would specifically mention "Darkfall" and "MMORPG" if it had to do with that.
They can't mention the name Darkfall, other threads posted in these forums have proven that they don't have the right to use the name from the US Trademark office.
Actually, they can mention it since the supposed distributor is for the EU market, therefore negating the need for a U.S. trademark in regards to what they are publishing. Now if they were publishing in the U.S., they would need a new name or have to leave it unnamed in the announcement.
ehh grasping at strings pretty hard there arent you. And i dont think we apriciate being called delusinal. and no company signs a agreemeant with out seeing the product
He called fanbois delusional. Unless you are admitting to being one, you have nothing to complain about.
You would think it would specifically mention "Darkfall" and "MMORPG" if it had to do with that.
They can't mention the name Darkfall, other threads posted in these forums have proven that they don't have the right to use the name from the US Trademark office.
they can use darkfall online here tho. which they are
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vapotrolls will claim that dfo is vapoware as long as it wont be finally lunched. after that they will stick to something else, probably to dfo not beeing most popular game out there (because it wont be for sure). just ignore them.
i can see where vaporware trolls are coming from, as i can with people who think the game may turn out like DnL (ok maybe not that bad, but not up to the hype).
But id love if it came out the way it is on paper as i think a lot of the trolls would too
1) This is not a new announcement, but a reguritation of the old stock holder's meeting statement saying they signed a "memorandum of agreement". There is no reason to believe the "agreement" is a binding contract, and as such does not add any weight to the hope of Darkfall releasing.
2) The bond is not for Darkfall. Stating that is the same as stating they are getting a new Board of Directors and issuing stock dividends because they signed an agreement to distribute.
3) The original release stated the bond issue is to repay an existing loan (i.e. simply turning debt over). Find the original statement for proof. It is also 5 mil Euros, not dollars.
Hoping the game will release, and be halfway decent, is one thing, but coming up with some idea that AudioVisual is restructuring their company because they signed an "agreement" is absurd.
They are not restructuring their company, they are creating a new gaming branch inside the Company.
Reading is good for you... an Agreement is the same as a contract.
Sooner or Later
It's a known fact that some of the vaportrolls are developers from other mmorpg titles, out to slander the competition and scare off potential players.
They are not restructuring their company, they are creating a new gaming branch inside the Company.
Reading is good for you... an Agreement is the same as a contract.
QFT
It doesn't say anything about Darkfall though.
Razorwax was making online gambling games before Darkfall or trying too. And since Aventurine basically is Razorwax they could be distributing little online "gaming" (gambling) games.
You would think it would specifically mention "Darkfall" and "MMORPG" if it had to do with that.
Aventurine S.A is only making a game called Darkfall, only one.=)
And i just have to salute you on your comical sides - youre just amazingly funny.
I mean still claiming vaporvare based on your reasoning is just hillariously fun. You have a gift mate.
Give me some more "logical" explanations why its not the final nail in the coffin. Just one for my amusement, pretty please?
This is a stock-sensitive announcement, and as such it is as serious a committment as it gets in the business world. I quote: "Ikona Ihos S.A. announced that it has signed an agreement with Aventurine S.A. for the exclusive distribution of on line gaming products within the territory of Europe."
This is the first time we have read this in native english, rather than google-translated Greek, and it's clear there is no ambiguity that AVE are the publisher for Darkfall in Europe.
In the previous (Greek) announcement AVE said they planned to create a whole new games distribution business unit, that's where that bit of speculation comes from.
It's a known fact that some of the vaportrolls are developers from other mmorpg titles, out to slander the competition and scare off potential players.
True. They been caught with their hands in the cockee jar more then once during Darkfall Development.
Funcom had to make a official excuse when one of there Developers invaded Darkfall main website.
And its good to see the contract in plain english, reading Greek isnt my speciality.
They are not restructuring their company, they are creating a new gaming branch inside the Company.
Reading is good for you... an Agreement is the same as a contract.
Issueing a $10,000,000 bond for a "gaming division" would qualify as restructoring.
An agreement is not the same as a binding contract. If one party backs out or cannot fullfill their side of the agreement (i.e. the game is never released), there is no harm. A contract generaly would specify penalities for late delivery, specifics on distribution, pricing, etc. There is no reason to believe the "agreement" has any penalties for non-compliance.
If there is no harm in one party not fullfilling it's side of the agreement, then neither party has to demonstrate their ability to fullfill it (i.e. Adventurine may not have had to prove the game is (nearly) ready to be released). If Adventurine doesn't come through, then Audio Visual looses nothing. If Audio Visual backs out, then Adventurine... well, they'd be screwed, but that's just part of being a small company dealing with big ones.
Darkfall is still vaporware and will be until it actually is released.
As amazing and revolutionary as Darkfall is supposed to be, and they cant nail a distributor bigger then some Greek internet VHS order company that has not distributed or sold any PC games to date???
For all of you shouting with big goofy smiles on your face that this proves that Darkfall is real, just think about it.
If this game was even 1% as great as they advertise it to be on the Darkfall website, then surely they'd be able to show a demo to big time distributors who would be more then happy to be associated with distributing the game for max profitability for both Adventurine and for themselves as a distributor. But instead, no legit distributor wants to even touch this steaming pile of crap called Darkfall, so Adventurine must stoop so low as to call some Greek VHS order website their distributor?!?
..And this is good news and proves Darkfall is for real?!???
Huh?
Are you serious?
I'd be embarrassed if I were Adventurine to have to resort so low to call this Greek VHS company my distributor for my "revolutionary game"
I'd be way more embarrassed however to be discovered to be the distributor for vaporware if I was AudioVisual, the Greek VHS website company. Maybe that's why they went ahead and agreed however, because they knew that they'd never actually have to distribute anything besides mysterious vapors and the only real game they would ever distribute would be in all these fanboys dreams and delusions.
ehh grasping at strings pretty hard there arent you.
And i dont think we apriciate being called delusinal.
and no company signs a agreemeant with out seeing the product
in 1962 some music comany decca records said no to beatles, because they belived that guitar bands have no future. why should any game publishe belive that sandbox game will sell? just look on mmorpg market - there is eve online with 200k subsribers and basically nothing else. majority of mmorpg players dont want to play game with open pvp and full loot, so its easy to see that dfo wont be bestseller - and thats the reason why biggest gaming companies arent interested in publishng dfo.
Hate moar.
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On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
I LOL'ed in real life.
The publisher agreed to distribute the game because IT IS vaporware?!?!
LOL
You guys are really grasping at straws. I can't wait to see what you guys try to claim when release comes along! It's going to be SO funny!
"Release means nothing! If I don't have a copy in my hands then it's still vapor and all the fans claiming they are in and playing the game are all obviously Tasos in disguise!"
Although I agree that AudioVisual has nothing to loose, and that it does not prove much if anything... However, (if the game exists, etc.) they may not have been able to land a better suited company to distribute because 1) they may think AudioVisual is up to the task (i.e. they only need a distributer, not publisher offering billing, support, web servers, etc.), 2) a game publishing company would require control over content, 3) an established company may not be as likely to grant an unknown as good of terms, and 4) Darkfall, even if it delivers on every promise they've made, is low on graphics, is semi-new concept (it's been done, but not recently), and is all-in-all different from the expected high-gloss eye-candy.
(Calling it vaporware until it releases, is like saying you'll be a troll until you stop complaining. It's the definition.)
He called fanbois delusional. Unless you are admitting to being one, you have nothing to complain about.
They can't mention the name Darkfall, other threads posted in these forums have proven that they don't have the right to use the name from the US Trademark office.
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They can't mention the name Darkfall, other threads posted in these forums have proven that they don't have the right to use the name from the US Trademark office.
Actually, they can mention it since the supposed distributor is for the EU market, therefore negating the need for a U.S. trademark in regards to what they are publishing. Now if they were publishing in the U.S., they would need a new name or have to leave it unnamed in the announcement.
He called fanbois delusional. Unless you are admitting to being one, you have nothing to complain about.
im a fan but im not stupid ...
They can't mention the name Darkfall, other threads posted in these forums have proven that they don't have the right to use the name from the US Trademark office.
they can use darkfall online here tho. which they are
No we're grasping at reality. You should try it for a change.
No we're grasping at reality. You should try it for a change.
if thats the case darkfall wouldnt be in dev ...
No we're grasping at reality. You should try it for a change.
if thats the case darkfall wouldnt be in dev ...
for 7 years?
Does Ikona Ihos S.A. has control over Audiovisual Enterprises S A? Or Audiovisual Enterprises S A has control over Ikona Ihos S.A.?
I think they 2 different companies. Maybe one one owns the other.
No, I am not saying that if they different companies is something wrong or good. I am just confused now.
http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=ADVr.AT
http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/keyDevelopments?symbol=IKIr.AT