warhammer like the Obama .. while wow is like the mccain
i don't agree there...Obama has most young voters wraped up in his "CHANGE"...McCain holds the more mature and older voters...and those who know what he brings to the table..instead of just CHANGE
WAR will not be CHANGE it will have the same things as most MMOs but it is different enough to most people
WoW is like Bush and WAR is like McCain...most people don't see the differents because of graphics (political party)....but once it is launched people will understand
so i would switch that up.......Warhammer will not be as big as some people will make it out to be but it WILL be my game i have played it...i am not in beta...but comic con was all i needed..
not enough to do....RvR does not go stale as it is a new experience every time as those who have played DAoC will know taking a keep with 50 people is a whole lot different then taking one with 100 as well as the type of defenders more tank= different tactics then more ranged DPS...the TOK is HUGE and a lot more in depth then people think...playing the first few levels of a character i say unlocks about every 2 minutes....=] it is awesome and just finding all those unlocks will be a time sink all of its own (but a fun one i might add) also the hidden quests through out the world will take time to find and they open up chains of quests the normal person would never see (of course by 3 months after launch i think most of these will be on the net in a database some where)
Even WAR looks very similar to WoW its not. In contrast to WoW where do not have complete conception but just different independent things to do, in WAR everything is around the RvR war: quests, public quests, RvR zones, scenarios. The feeling and atmosphere is great. You really feel the war, compared to WoW where you really do not know why you fight opposing faction (just because you can? ), what is purpose of BG ( just to get next item?), what is purpose of Arena (just to get your team up in the rank and again get better items?)... In contrast to WoW, WAR have complete MMO conception...
yup I agree... the feeling that you belong to a faction is there.. but still.... guild relations can offer that to you in any game... the rest of the game still has to offer you something more.....
Originally posted by beaverz I really dont see why people kep on talking like if a beta was the same as a released version.
All the beta's I have been in have turned out to be pretty much the same as the game itself upon release, so its a pretty good idea of what the game will be like.
Anyway what else is there to talk about? We're way past the point of "omg i hope such and such feature is in.. omg i hope they release some info about what the game will be about soon!" type posts :]
As for community. AoC's community is piss poor as is WoW's, as I said previously LotRo had the best of the three games you mentioned but if WAR's turns out anything like used to exist on DAoC then LotRo will be left far behind. If you had played DAoC back in the day you would know what I mean.
Except that back in the day mmorpg's weren't mainstream yet, these days, everyone and their dog (well, the pc gamers), play them, and you'll get tons of the bad apples in WAR, simply because its "the next great thing to play" in their minds..
And grr @ the cross-faction people
Build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to your door...... Wonder how rich you would become if you invented a working WoW kiddie filter :P
I've read/watched this game quite a bit... and I'm really trying to get excited about it.... but I can't... I know there's plenty of fanbois on this forum and I'll probably get crucified for my opinions... but WAR just seems like the same stale gameplay to me... I'm struggling to find something new... but all I see is another elf/goblin world with the same gameplay elements as other games...
The RvR which is the game's main selling point, is just zerg-battles... no matter how much you try to polish it. If you want a game for the graphics/action/blood/carnage... play AoC (No.. it's not as bad as people say... but it needs A LOT work yet) If you want a game for it's lore and character/world depth, play LOTRO (which is unparalleled in these areas) and if you want a game that's got a lot of things to do then play WoW (...i'm not a fanboi... i hate it' for what it has become)
So why play yet another game that offers you the same things as countless other games?....
Sure you might play it for a change of scenery, but how long will that last?.... Anyway... I'd like to hear some constructive posts... please don't flame me... just expressing my opinions and i'm not fanboi of any games.. (other than the Fallout series )
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I'lle be playing it, simply because it is Warhammer. I'm a tabletopper, so I'm enjoying every second I play it. Same goes with DoW (And soon DoW2, and even further away the 40K MMO).
Truthfully: If the RvR doesn't appeal to you, then yeah, the game is just like any other MMO out there.
The world itself is what draws me in. The rest (Gameplay, PvP, etc.) is just a welcomed bonus for me.
I am skeptical about this game, and also think the battles can become an unending boring zerg festival. But worth buying and trying it out. There are the public quests too, that looks like fun.
I love the Warhammer Universe and the one thing that Mythic has been able to recreate is that sense of WAR.Now even if the game has some of the same mechanic that other games had it doesn't matter to me because that what I felt missing in the other games.
But in the end it's simply a matter of taste
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you asking for the game called Eve Online? Eve has the exact characteristics you seem to be looking for with regards to dynamic PvP / RvR (to use a fantasy description for what goes on in Eve...). Dynamic, meaningful PvP with real consequence (both for players who lose stuff and for alliances that lose ground.
With regards to single player content (quests) of course Eve is lacking, and there are other aspects that might not fit your bill. I'm not necessarily encouraging you to play Eve, mind. Just trying to find an online game that displays what I think you're looking for in your fantasy setting with regards to conflict.
Isn't what Eve has in the way of PvP and dynamic battles and consequences what you're talking about as missing in the traditional MMORPG? Space or fantasy, like Eve or no, I think that game has found the best way (hands down) to handle player warfare and consequence. GOD I'd love to see this in a fantasy game...
Just to add something that maybe I should have said.
I will be trying this game... just like I've tried other MMOs.... I like to try new games...
it's just that I can't see how it will provide me with something fresh and new that will keep my interest....
Xenogias does make it sound more interesting than I can see it though... maybe I need to get into a train of thought
I have alittle diffrent mindset than most. I play nearly all my MMO's on low settings except for soloing PvE (which is when I turn the graphics up). I look at the game more for what its offering. Personally I am just looking forward to something meaningfull again. Not just the typical gear grind.
For example. LOTRO. Its not about the gear grind to speak of. To me that game was more about exploring and getting to experiance Middle earth. Unfortunatly its so level based that you cant just go out and explore without getting your ass handed to you time after time.
WoW, VG ect. Gear grind. Not much else. PvP there is fun for some people but no real point to it other than bragging rights from Arena's or gear.
WAR is offering me a REASON to go out and do that quest or go out and kill that other person. I havent felt the pleasure of being given a reason to do something in the game world since DAOC and AC. The realm pride in DOAC and the story arcs from AC where 2nd to none. Now granted you need solid gameplay to, and I understand completely if it isnt for everyone, nothing ever is. But if the gameplay is average or even alittle above average plus I have more than gear to push me to finish that next quest or kill someone, its a feeling I welcome to the MMO scene that I havent seen in a long time.
What do you mean "same gameplay elements"? You mean it has PvE and PvP? And what's wrong with zerg battles? What if instead of soloing like an idiot (like an Alliance player in WoW) you team up with your friends and meet the enemy zerg head-on? Would it still be a zerg? Would it be two zergs trainwrecking? Would it be one hell of a battle? Over and over? I don't know, but if it is, that sounds like mighty fun.
WAR is its own game and it brings new things to the table. The key is they're subtle things, when you compare it to something that rubs it's so called "revolutionary" concept in your face...like AoC. They tell you what's different (though we all know some people are too blind to see it, even when the devs tell you) and they tell you what's the same (yes, they copied WoW's UI basically, but why fix what's broken? They made it 100x more customizable too, so you don't have to download addons).
If, in concept, you think it's stale gameplay, that's just a matter of opinion of course. But I bet you've seen a movie trailer and said "bah that's just another dumb action movie" but then when you saw it it was actually much better than you expected.
It doesn't have the blood/gore of AoC, so what? Blood and gore never made a good game, it's just eye candy.
It doesn't have the story of LotRO, but no game really does, and what WAR does is adds twisted humour into their quests. Just like the Warhammer IP.
It has plenty of things to do, and, unlike WoW, you don't have to wait until max level (or even level 10) to do them. Of course some specific things have level requirements, like dungeons, but I'm talking about concept-wise...you can PvP, PvE, craft, explore, join a guild, do a PQ, etc. right from the start.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
I've read/watched this game quite a bit... and I'm really trying to get excited about it.... but I can't... I know there's plenty of fanbois on this forum and I'll probably get crucified for my opinions... but WAR just seems like the same stale gameplay to me... I'm struggling to find something new... but all I see is another elf/goblin world with the same gameplay elements as other games...
The RvR which is the game's main selling point, is just zerg-battles... no matter how much you try to polish it. If you want a game for the graphics/action/blood/carnage... play AoC (No.. it's not as bad as people say... but it needs A LOT work yet) If you want a game for it's lore and character/world depth, play LOTRO (which is unparalleled in these areas) and if you want a game that's got a lot of things to do then play WoW (...i'm not a fanboi... i hate it' for what it has become)
So why play yet another game that offers you the same things as countless other games?....
Sure you might play it for a change of scenery, but how long will that last?.... Anyway... I'd like to hear some constructive posts... please don't flame me... just expressing my opinions and i'm not fanboi of any games.. (other than the Fallout series )
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Some things need to be "new" and some things just "refined". In my opinion, world layout and lore needs to be "new", but genre and game mechanics simply need to be "refined".
I may never tire of the timeless "elf/goblin/dwarf" fantasy theme, and see no reason that polished and refined game mechanics need to be completely tossed out for something that equates to a paradigm shift.
Really, I think at some point the UI and basic game mechanics of these MMORG's will be refined to the point that they need not differ much from game to game, and the only thing that needs to change in order to keep player interest is the game world and map layout itself. Imagine WAR coming out, playing great, then after 6 years the dev's create a "new" world, but keep the same game engine/mechanics. Why would they not?
Nothing to worry about here, he says stale as HE sees it. Since he edited his post for NDA reasons i m assuming he s in the beta. Well as am i , and i can assure many of you who may be worried I see it completely opposite of him.
Ascension made an analogy with movie trailers.How many people really believed in Transformers when the first trailer was available?I was among those who did not believed that Michael Bay will pull it.But when I saw the movie it was such a blast that I saw it 3 times in the Theatres and purchased the DvD later.
WAR is not reinventing High fantasy MMOs but those guys are doing lot of things right just like WoW did some things right but MMOs are evolving and we must adapt to change even the most subtle one.Many will find it difficult to see things with an unbiased state of mind after 4 years in a fantasy realm.
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Nothing to worry about here, he says stale as HE sees it. Since he edited his post for NDA reasons i m assuming he s in the beta. Well as am i , and i can assure many of you who may be worried I see it completely opposite of him.
erm... of course I say it as I see it... how else can I say it?.... do I have to say that whatever I say is my opinion when it obviously is ?
I'm not the most elite expert on MMOS that all must follow his opinion.... what the hell
but I'd really like to find out what opposite do you see from me?... could you please tell me...
I've read/watched this game quite a bit... and I'm really trying to get excited about it.... but I can't... I know there's plenty of fanbois on this forum and I'll probably get crucified for my opinions... but WAR just seems like the same stale gameplay to me... I'm struggling to find something new... but all I see is another elf/goblin world with the same gameplay elements as other games...
The RvR which is the game's main selling point, is just zerg-battles... no matter how much you try to polish it. If you want a game for the graphics/action/blood/carnage... play AoC (No.. it's not as bad as people say... but it needs A LOT work yet) If you want a game for it's lore and character/world depth, play LOTRO (which is unparalleled in these areas) and if you want a game that's got a lot of things to do then play WoW (...i'm not a fanboi... i hate it' for what it has become)
So why play yet another game that offers you the same things as countless other games?....
Sure you might play it for a change of scenery, but how long will that last?.... Anyway... I'd like to hear some constructive posts... please don't flame me... just expressing my opinions and i'm not fanboi of any games.. (other than the Fallout series )
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Ok let me answer your original post.
1.You re really trying to get excited about itand can t, well i am excited about it.
2.RVR zerg battles and nothing else is beyond false if you ve played beta you would know , theres many options to rvr , try them all and you ll see. As far as different elements it s like alot of games yes but the one fact alone that everything you do helps the battle and moes the battle lines is a different element. It s enough for me anyways knowing i m contributing to the overall war.
3.Graphics mean nothing to me to a point. I dont want to run around with stick men which WAR is not. AOC i won t even get started at how bad it is thats for another forum.
4.In beta we re focus testing you will not see the story playing out as well as when the game goes live. The quests and story actually as i see it have humor and is very well done, but as i said it s hard to see it in its full potential until we play it from beginning to end.
5.Alot of things to do, ok lets see. RVR, PQs, TOK unlocks, group dungeons, Lairs, rvr ranks, guild levels, trophies, crafting, in rvr alone(keep takes, skirmishes, scenarios, rvr quests, city sieges) need i say more.
Basically i see it the opposite of you and you re right you re entitled to your opinion as am i. You want to tell people this to maybe persuade them to not buy, i am to tell them they should. This is why were complete opposite in our opinions.
Leucent, you said the game has "humor", and that is fine. Please tell me the humor does not reference the modern world, but is appropriate within the confines of the fantasy world Warhammer is set in.
WOW made all sorts of lame pop-reference jokes which destroyed immersion for me. I'd like to see a serious MMORPG; light-hearted is okay, but serious in the sense of keeping to world and lore.
Leucent, you said the game has "humor", and that is fine. Please tell me the humor does not reference the modern world, but is appropriate within the confines of the fantasy world Warhammer is set in. WOW made all sorts of lame pop-reference jokes which destroyed immersion for me. I'd like to see a serious MMORPG; light-hearted is okay, but serious in the sense of keeping to world and lore.
As much as i would like to say in detail i can t. I ll say it this way, GW has an eye on everything so that might help
I've read/watched this game quite a bit... and I'm really trying to get excited about it.... but I can't... I know there's plenty of fanbois on this forum and I'll probably get crucified for my opinions... but WAR just seems like the same stale gameplay to me... I'm struggling to find something new... but all I see is another elf/goblin world with the same gameplay elements as other games...
The RvR which is the game's main selling point, is just zerg-battles... no matter how much you try to polish it. If you want a game for the graphics/action/blood/carnage... play AoC (No.. it's not as bad as people say... but it needs A LOT work yet) If you want a game for it's lore and character/world depth, play LOTRO (which is unparalleled in these areas) and if you want a game that's got a lot of things to do then play WoW (...i'm not a fanboi... i hate it' for what it has become)
So why play yet another game that offers you the same things as countless other games?....
Sure you might play it for a change of scenery, but how long will that last?.... Anyway... I'd like to hear some constructive posts... please don't flame me... just expressing my opinions and i'm not fanboi of any games.. (other than the Fallout series )
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This is a valid concern.
Let me throw out there EVE and the sieging that takes place in L2/DAOC.
you lost all credibility when you said AOC isn't that bad. AOC is just WoW with password protected special abilities btw. There is very little groundbreaking about it. Certainly less than WAR with the PQs, war banners, non instanced keep raids, city sieges, trophies etc.
I've read/watched this game quite a bit... and I'm really trying to get excited about it.... but I can't... I know there's plenty of fanbois on this forum and I'll probably get crucified for my opinions... but WAR just seems like the same stale gameplay to me... I'm struggling to find something new... but all I see is another elf/goblin world with the same gameplay elements as other games...
The RvR which is the game's main selling point, is just zerg-battles... no matter how much you try to polish it. If you want a game for the graphics/action/blood/carnage... play AoC (No.. it's not as bad as people say... but it needs A LOT work yet) If you want a game for it's lore and character/world depth, play LOTRO (which is unparalleled in these areas) and if you want a game that's got a lot of things to do then play WoW (...i'm not a fanboi... i hate it' for what it has become)
So why play yet another game that offers you the same things as countless other games?....
Sure you might play it for a change of scenery, but how long will that last?.... Anyway... I'd like to hear some constructive posts... please don't flame me... just expressing my opinions and i'm not fanboi of any games.. (other than the Fallout series )
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A lot of people want Sci Fi instead of fantasy. I still like fantasy games, but I wouldn't mind seeing some good sci fi games too.
Some people like RvR, some don't. I like it, and have been waiting for anotehr good RvR game since DAoC.
If you said, this is a really bad fantasy game, here's why, or this is really bad RvR, here's why, that would be something to discuss.
But you're simply saying, I don't like RvR, I don't like fantasy games. Ok, fine.
you lost all credibility when you said AOC isn't that bad. AOC is just WoW with password protected special abilities btw. There is very little groundbreaking about it. Certainly less than WAR with the PQs, war banners, non instanced keep raids, city sieges, trophies etc.
you haven't played AoC... and you have no idea what you're talking about.
Noone said AoC was completely groundbreaking... but even an idiot would know and see that the combat is actually much more interactive than other MMOs... and that can only be a good thing....
I know this is the WAR forum but it doesn't hurt to be open-minded about other games as well
Other than guerrilla warfare, what is a common thread throughout real warfare? Uhmm is it that both sides have large groups of people?(a zerg?)
When you take away a zerg what do you have? Small scale fighting? Group vs. Group? I guess if you want that you can play Guildwars or WoW in their arenas.
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i don't agree there...Obama has most young voters wraped up in his "CHANGE"...McCain holds the more mature and older voters...and those who know what he brings to the table..instead of just CHANGE
WAR will not be CHANGE it will have the same things as most MMOs but it is different enough to most people
WoW is like Bush and WAR is like McCain...most people don't see the differents because of graphics (political party)....but once it is launched people will understand
so i would switch that up.......Warhammer will not be as big as some people will make it out to be but it WILL be my game i have played it...i am not in beta...but comic con was all i needed..
not enough to do....RvR does not go stale as it is a new experience every time as those who have played DAoC will know taking a keep with 50 people is a whole lot different then taking one with 100 as well as the type of defenders more tank= different tactics then more ranged DPS...the TOK is HUGE and a lot more in depth then people think...playing the first few levels of a character i say unlocks about every 2 minutes....=] it is awesome and just finding all those unlocks will be a time sink all of its own (but a fun one i might add) also the hidden quests through out the world will take time to find and they open up chains of quests the normal person would never see (of course by 3 months after launch i think most of these will be on the net in a database some where)
yup I agree... the feeling that you belong to a faction is there.. but still.... guild relations can offer that to you in any game... the rest of the game still has to offer you something more.....
..Cake..
All the beta's I have been in have turned out to be pretty much the same as the game itself upon release, so its a pretty good idea of what the game will be like.
Anyway what else is there to talk about? We're way past the point of "omg i hope such and such feature is in.. omg i hope they release some info about what the game will be about soon!" type posts :]
Mentioning guilds you know that your guild lvls and evolves with everything your character and other members do and can capture a keep.....
Except that back in the day mmorpg's weren't mainstream yet, these days, everyone and their dog (well, the pc gamers), play them, and you'll get tons of the bad apples in WAR, simply because its "the next great thing to play" in their minds..
And grr @ the cross-faction people
Build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to your door...... Wonder how rich you would become if you invented a working WoW kiddie filter :P
I'lle be playing it, simply because it is Warhammer. I'm a tabletopper, so I'm enjoying every second I play it. Same goes with DoW (And soon DoW2, and even further away the 40K MMO).
Truthfully: If the RvR doesn't appeal to you, then yeah, the game is just like any other MMO out there.
The world itself is what draws me in. The rest (Gameplay, PvP, etc.) is just a welcomed bonus for me.
I am skeptical about this game, and also think the battles can become an unending boring zerg festival. But worth buying and trying it out. There are the public quests too, that looks like fun.
I love the Warhammer Universe and the one thing that Mythic has been able to recreate is that sense of WAR.Now even if the game has some of the same mechanic that other games had it doesn't matter to me because that what I felt missing in the other games.
But in the end it's simply a matter of taste
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you asking for the game called Eve Online? Eve has the exact characteristics you seem to be looking for with regards to dynamic PvP / RvR (to use a fantasy description for what goes on in Eve...). Dynamic, meaningful PvP with real consequence (both for players who lose stuff and for alliances that lose ground.
With regards to single player content (quests) of course Eve is lacking, and there are other aspects that might not fit your bill. I'm not necessarily encouraging you to play Eve, mind. Just trying to find an online game that displays what I think you're looking for in your fantasy setting with regards to conflict.
Isn't what Eve has in the way of PvP and dynamic battles and consequences what you're talking about as missing in the traditional MMORPG? Space or fantasy, like Eve or no, I think that game has found the best way (hands down) to handle player warfare and consequence. GOD I'd love to see this in a fantasy game...
I have alittle diffrent mindset than most. I play nearly all my MMO's on low settings except for soloing PvE (which is when I turn the graphics up). I look at the game more for what its offering. Personally I am just looking forward to something meaningfull again. Not just the typical gear grind.
For example. LOTRO. Its not about the gear grind to speak of. To me that game was more about exploring and getting to experiance Middle earth. Unfortunatly its so level based that you cant just go out and explore without getting your ass handed to you time after time.
WoW, VG ect. Gear grind. Not much else. PvP there is fun for some people but no real point to it other than bragging rights from Arena's or gear.
WAR is offering me a REASON to go out and do that quest or go out and kill that other person. I havent felt the pleasure of being given a reason to do something in the game world since DAOC and AC. The realm pride in DOAC and the story arcs from AC where 2nd to none. Now granted you need solid gameplay to, and I understand completely if it isnt for everyone, nothing ever is. But if the gameplay is average or even alittle above average plus I have more than gear to push me to finish that next quest or kill someone, its a feeling I welcome to the MMO scene that I havent seen in a long time.
What do you mean "same gameplay elements"? You mean it has PvE and PvP? And what's wrong with zerg battles? What if instead of soloing like an idiot (like an Alliance player in WoW) you team up with your friends and meet the enemy zerg head-on? Would it still be a zerg? Would it be two zergs trainwrecking? Would it be one hell of a battle? Over and over? I don't know, but if it is, that sounds like mighty fun.
WAR is its own game and it brings new things to the table. The key is they're subtle things, when you compare it to something that rubs it's so called "revolutionary" concept in your face...like AoC. They tell you what's different (though we all know some people are too blind to see it, even when the devs tell you) and they tell you what's the same (yes, they copied WoW's UI basically, but why fix what's broken? They made it 100x more customizable too, so you don't have to download addons).
If, in concept, you think it's stale gameplay, that's just a matter of opinion of course. But I bet you've seen a movie trailer and said "bah that's just another dumb action movie" but then when you saw it it was actually much better than you expected.
It doesn't have the blood/gore of AoC, so what? Blood and gore never made a good game, it's just eye candy.
It doesn't have the story of LotRO, but no game really does, and what WAR does is adds twisted humour into their quests. Just like the Warhammer IP.
It has plenty of things to do, and, unlike WoW, you don't have to wait until max level (or even level 10) to do them. Of course some specific things have level requirements, like dungeons, but I'm talking about concept-wise...you can PvP, PvE, craft, explore, join a guild, do a PQ, etc. right from the start.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Guys,
Either he's played the game in beta, and didn't like it, or he's basing this off of video's he's seen on line.
If it's A, then he's just here to bask in his glory at riling up people. If it's the latter, he's just here to bask in his glory at riling up people.
You could say many things about WAR, stael gameplay isn't anything I would use.
Always change your signature.
I'm not "riling up" anyone... maybe if you tried to read my post you'd see that.
I'm just trying to make a point...
Stale is exactly as I see it... same ideas added in a similar environment to many other games...
Public quests are fun and a bit unique but just for a while... and that's it.
The RvR combat is just like every other game where people gather up to fight other people.
Just because it's stale doesn't mean people won't eat it though.
I'll give it a try...
..Cake..
Some things need to be "new" and some things just "refined". In my opinion, world layout and lore needs to be "new", but genre and game mechanics simply need to be "refined".
I may never tire of the timeless "elf/goblin/dwarf" fantasy theme, and see no reason that polished and refined game mechanics need to be completely tossed out for something that equates to a paradigm shift.
Really, I think at some point the UI and basic game mechanics of these MMORG's will be refined to the point that they need not differ much from game to game, and the only thing that needs to change in order to keep player interest is the game world and map layout itself. Imagine WAR coming out, playing great, then after 6 years the dev's create a "new" world, but keep the same game engine/mechanics. Why would they not?
Nothing to worry about here, he says stale as HE sees it. Since he edited his post for NDA reasons i m assuming he s in the beta. Well as am i , and i can assure many of you who may be worried I see it completely opposite of him.
Ascension made an analogy with movie trailers.How many people really believed in Transformers when the first trailer was available?I was among those who did not believed that Michael Bay will pull it.But when I saw the movie it was such a blast that I saw it 3 times in the Theatres and purchased the DvD later.
WAR is not reinventing High fantasy MMOs but those guys are doing lot of things right just like WoW did some things right but MMOs are evolving and we must adapt to change even the most subtle one.Many will find it difficult to see things with an unbiased state of mind after 4 years in a fantasy realm.
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
erm... of course I say it as I see it... how else can I say it?.... do I have to say that whatever I say is my opinion when it obviously is ?
I'm not the most elite expert on MMOS that all must follow his opinion.... what the hell
but I'd really like to find out what opposite do you see from me?... could you please tell me...
..Cake..
Ok let me answer your original post.
1.You re really trying to get excited about itand can t, well i am excited about it.
2.RVR zerg battles and nothing else is beyond false if you ve played beta you would know , theres many options to rvr , try them all and you ll see. As far as different elements it s like alot of games yes but the one fact alone that everything you do helps the battle and moes the battle lines is a different element. It s enough for me anyways knowing i m contributing to the overall war.
3.Graphics mean nothing to me to a point. I dont want to run around with stick men which WAR is not. AOC i won t even get started at how bad it is thats for another forum.
4.In beta we re focus testing you will not see the story playing out as well as when the game goes live. The quests and story actually as i see it have humor and is very well done, but as i said it s hard to see it in its full potential until we play it from beginning to end.
5.Alot of things to do, ok lets see. RVR, PQs, TOK unlocks, group dungeons, Lairs, rvr ranks, guild levels, trophies, crafting, in rvr alone(keep takes, skirmishes, scenarios, rvr quests, city sieges) need i say more.
Basically i see it the opposite of you and you re right you re entitled to your opinion as am i. You want to tell people this to maybe persuade them to not buy, i am to tell them they should. This is why were complete opposite in our opinions.
Leucent, you said the game has "humor", and that is fine. Please tell me the humor does not reference the modern world, but is appropriate within the confines of the fantasy world Warhammer is set in.
WOW made all sorts of lame pop-reference jokes which destroyed immersion for me. I'd like to see a serious MMORPG; light-hearted is okay, but serious in the sense of keeping to world and lore.
As much as i would like to say in detail i can t. I ll say it this way, GW has an eye on everything so that might help
This is a valid concern.
Let me throw out there EVE and the sieging that takes place in L2/DAOC.
WAR will have to find a way to set itself apart.
We shall see.
you lost all credibility when you said AOC isn't that bad. AOC is just WoW with password protected special abilities btw. There is very little groundbreaking about it. Certainly less than WAR with the PQs, war banners, non instanced keep raids, city sieges, trophies etc.
A lot of people want Sci Fi instead of fantasy. I still like fantasy games, but I wouldn't mind seeing some good sci fi games too.
Some people like RvR, some don't. I like it, and have been waiting for anotehr good RvR game since DAoC.
If you said, this is a really bad fantasy game, here's why, or this is really bad RvR, here's why, that would be something to discuss.
But you're simply saying, I don't like RvR, I don't like fantasy games. Ok, fine.
you haven't played AoC... and you have no idea what you're talking about.
Noone said AoC was completely groundbreaking... but even an idiot would know and see that the combat is actually much more interactive than other MMOs... and that can only be a good thing....
I know this is the WAR forum but it doesn't hurt to be open-minded about other games as well
..Cake..
Other than guerrilla warfare, what is a common thread throughout real warfare? Uhmm is it that both sides have large groups of people?(a zerg?)
When you take away a zerg what do you have? Small scale fighting? Group vs. Group? I guess if you want that you can play Guildwars or WoW in their arenas.