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OOORRR! Someone who just doesn't like the direction WoW has been going... ANNDDD! just knows when Blizzard is getting desperate. As I said you Blizzard worshipers would be happy if they sold you guys game boxes full of crap.
heh i dont worship blizzard, i just like all their games. And your post does show you are a troll just by saying WoW is crap like all the other trolls. Even when i didnt play it i knew others did and i knew it wasnt crap. Same goes for all the other games out there. And like someone said before me. 8+ million subscribers is hardly desperate.
I didn't say WoW in general is crap, just what paths it's on DURR! If you read my past post you know the 8+million subs is inflated/misleading.
lol i hope your joking, or you must be totally ignorant and this just proves my view of what you are.
LOL i'm not joking.
Cause companies never lie to their customers or mislead them. WRONG! DURR
Once again Rogue you lose. Your just spouting rumor and opinion, it may be true but you have presented no evidence. Blizzard may be lying but it would be completely illegal to do so and they would be liable so they have more credibility than you. Also they have there quarterely reports which again show an increase in subs, those could be doctored but once again they would be liable and so till proven otherwise must be accepted.
Brainwashing has nothing to do with it. Look at the evidence. I would say since you refuse to look at the evidence you are the one that is brainwashed.
It is a basic rule in science. The theory that answers the most question objectively is the one that is presumed true until proven false or until another theory comes along with more evidence.
Show me the facts, because everything you've said so far is just rhetoric.
Venge Sunsoar
Cause you're a lawyer who specializes in this field right? WRONG! Blizzard doesn't have to tell us crap, just like Coke doesn't need to tell people it's formula. You prob spend more time defending your precious WoW then playing it fool. WoW wont die for awhile, but it's gonna lose it's crown mostly due to WAR. You talk as though WoW is the first game you played. Only someone with the reflexes of a sloth and brain of a insect would enjoy current WoW.
When Blizzard starts offering free epics and instance lvl80s... You deluded fanboys will still say it's good market strategy.
BTW Blizzard has change.. They've become stuck up and shady.
There is a difference between a proprietary formula for a soft drink being sold to a customer and a quarterly report to shareholders who have invested money in a company. If you don't know the difference than you have more research to do. Blizzard does have to tell shareholders things, this is required by law. No I am not a lawyer, nor do I need to be, I can read and I can reason and I can learn. Something you seem to not be able to do yet.
Eventually WoW will die, maybe to War, I don't know and really don't care. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing your opinion on subs.
WoW is not the first game I have played not by a long shot, nor is it even the only game I play now. It is however a nice relaxed game perfect for relaxing with after a long day dealing with whiners, or running or martial arts or anything and everything else people do to give themselves a break. I pvp occasionally, rarely do BG's and actually have never raided in my life. So for me it just just about unwinding.
And encouraging people to do your marketing for you is the best form of marketing there is.
Venge Sunsoar
Alright Blizzard may need to report to it's share holders, but it doesn't need to tell us/the public. It's hilarious how you followers speak as though you work for Blizzard. Blizzard doesn't have to go into great detail about the expansion, sooo why would they have to tell us about their real subs? THEY DON'T!
To the other poster WoW has become a lot easier/simpler... Sure WoW may require time, but that's it. You could be writing an essay and still get epics. This game is being built around the kids, bad gamers, and lazy slobs/botters... I wont say casuals, because classic WoW I got a lot accomplished being a casual player.
Pats are gonna go 19-0 2008-2009 season
ROFLOLLIPOPZ! There you go thinking you're a Blizzard executive or lawyer.
BTW DURR!
Pats are gonna go 19-0 2008-2009 season
This is no good for me as I require a Giant Badger mount......preferably one that is rabid and frothes at the mouth. Oh well maybe some other mmo can offer me this.
ROFLOLLIPOPZ! There you go thinking you're a Blizzard executive or lawyer.
BTW DURR!
Not an executive or a lawyer, but smart enough to know that publicly traded companies cannot lie about facts pertaining to their business. When Blizzard says they reached 10.9 million subscribers a few months ago, then they did. If the person who said it was lying, they'd be going to jail with the Countrywide and Enron executives. When you get older, you'll understand this stuff a little more.
ROFLOLLIPOPZ! There you go thinking you're a Blizzard executive or lawyer.
BTW DURR!
Not an executive or a lawyer, but smart enough to know that publicly traded companies cannot lie about facts pertaining to their business. When Blizzard says they reached 10.9 million subscribers a few months ago, then they did. If the person who said it was lying, they'd be going to jail with the Countrywide and Enron executives. When you get older, you'll understand this stuff a little more.
How about you navigate yourself back to page 1 and reread all my post. You'd know I said Blizzard purposely inflated that number by allowing some countries to make accounts basically for free. You can stop acting as though you sit at Blizzard's conference table too.
Pats are gonna go 19-0 2008-2009 season
You are incorrect. Blizzard has been very upfront about their billing practices in China. The only accounts that 'count' as subscribers are accounts that have bought gametime in the past 30 days. this is the way Blizzard has always counted subscriptions since launch. While you can say "omg.. what if 6million chinesse people each pay $1 per month and only play 2 hours" you can argue that point if you want but it will be a losing argument since the overseas servers have the same kinda raid progression, pvp and other endgame activities as NA servers.
As far as NA and European subscribers, once again you can look at the financial statements and see that both NA and Europe have grown in subscriptions. Not only are they not declining, they are actually growing.. and this is coming at the worst time for a game (the months leading up to an expansion).
Not only that, but in North America last week. WOW Vanilla was #5, Burning Crusade ws #7 and the WOW battle chest was #8 in sales. That is a whole lot of people buying the game for the first time in NA.
Also if you look at Amazon.com WOW is the #25 selling game last week for ALL games, which includes console games.
and your entire argument that wow is declining and lying about subscriptions is because they are giving away a zebra? Way to work those numbers
HHMM.... So you're still acting as though you're a Blizzard executive. Let's take into account that those people buying WoW boxes are banned players, multi-boxers, account sellers, 1st timers (most 1st timers may not stick around) and etc. Me thinks Blizzard is seriously losing more players than it's bringing in.
I know rabid fanboy... When they talk as though a game is 100% perfect.
Pats are gonna go 19-0 2008-2009 season
I'm still waiting for the release of the Nigh Elf Mohawk.
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HHMM.... So you're still acting as though you're a Blizzard executive. Let's take into account that those people buying WoW boxes are banned players, multi-boxers, account sellers, 1st timers (most 1st timers may not stick around) and etc. Me thinks Blizzard is seriously losing more players than it's bringing in.
I know rabid fanboy... When they talk as though a game is 100% perfect.
And we know trolls and idiots when... well whenever we see you post in any topic!
No knowledge of how the real world works? check
Ignoring information provided to him? check
Skipping arguements that destroy his comments? check
A stream of never ending idiocy? check
Boy howdy, i think this is one of the trolliest trolls to come to mmorpg.com! Congratulations
I heard Blizzard is just reusing the same hair models from the other races... Typical laziness just like same armor skins.
Pats are gonna go 19-0 2008-2009 season
HHMM.... So you're still acting as though you're a Blizzard executive. Let's take into account that those people buying WoW boxes are banned players, multi-boxers, account sellers, 1st timers (most 1st timers may not stick around) and etc. Me thinks Blizzard is seriously losing more players than it's bringing in.
I know rabid fanboy... When they talk as though a game is 100% perfect.
And we know trolls and idiots when... well whenever we see you post in any topic!
No knowledge of how the real world works? check
Ignoring information provided to him? check
Skipping arguements that destroy his comments? check
A stream of never ending idiocy? check
Boy howdy, i think this is one of the trolliest trolls to come to mmorpg.com! Congratulations
I know I'm talking to a know it all e-thug when I see ones like you. Anyone who doesn't agree with you must be wrong DURR. You talk like a 15yr old who sits alone at lunch, spends all his free time down at the local comic shop, and wears clothing like he's in the matrix.
Pats are gonna go 19-0 2008-2009 season
WOW isn't even close to being the perfect game. On the PVE side it is getting pretty close. Every update allows more players to have a substantial endgame experience (badges and heroics were a great addition). The PvP side is still not that great, If Lake Wintergrasp can be a pseudo-RvR area, then that will be a big help. They also need to find a way to had another 5 battlegrounds without spreading pvpers so thin that the que time goes up drastically.
As far as subscriptions
Banned players? So what if they buy another box and start over with new characters. They are still paying a monthly fee. It also says how great the game is if someone completely loses everything in the game and is willing to start over.
Multi-boxers? Again, so what.. they have to pay a seperate subscription fee for every account they multibox with. While it stinks in BG's to get owned by a multi-boxer... that has nothing to do with the fact that Blizzard is receiving a subscription fee every month for each account.
Account Sellers? Again, so what. No matter what happens, the account is being payed for every month... Blizzard is getting a subscription fee. But in all reality, do some research and try and buy an account. Leveling in Blizzard is so fun, and so easy that there isn't really any market for 'bought' accounts. There are probably people who quit who sell their account for some money.. but I doubt anyone actually buys a box, levels to 70 and then tries to sell the account. There is very little value in a 'fresh' 70.
1st timers? Yep, and this is where the majority of the new box sales go. Whlie WOW certainly doesn't have a 100% retention rate, with those kind of sales numbers of new boxes, it is constantly getting a ton of new players. The retention rate was reported to be somewhere around 78% (people who play the free month and then pay for the next month)
So basically this argument comes down to
Sales figures from 3rd party sources like Amazon.com and comments made in financial statements that are regulated by the Securities and Exchange Commission by a publicly traded company
And the opposing argument is based on: " Me thinks blizzard is losing more players".
*click*
Thread has gone both off topic and became a flamefest.
Let it rest in peace.