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1. What the hell. I am in beta. I play a tank. PVE and PVP.
2. Your zone is being invaded! ZOMG keep out the evils, i'm not grouping with someone that isnt my race! Jerk.
3. This goes along with 2. Why don't you make an all dwarf guild. just play the game. You'll get the rest of the classes the second they are done.
4. Jesus christ i'm done answering your questions. You are a RP nerd. Go back to DND books and LARPING. RP needs to die.
All your assumptions seem to be based on the Race V Race war. it's not and you need to do more reaserch. Also lay the game. It will make you less dumb. If that's possible.
Derrrr, how can they promise things they didn't talk about. 3 years from now no one is going to remember these cuts either.
Sent me an email if you want me to mail you some pizza rolls.
You can tell yourself that you are well informed about the game, and have "done your research" but the OP shows to anyone who has half a clue, that you dont know a damn thing about the current state of the game, or anything specific about it.
But thats ok, ignorance is alot easier, and less time consuming than learning about the topic you are talking about.
Tell me exactly what I'm wrong about, they are cutting out the major capital cities, am i right? They are cutting 4 classes, you agree? What am i wrong about?
If you had done any research, you would know that they werent "Capital Cities" like you find in any other game. There were not meant to be social hubs, they were never seen by characters until the end game itself.
You are wrong about how they promoted the game as well. Find me one bit of information from Mythic that said it was going to be greenskins vs dwarves, or darkelves vs highelves, and not RvR.
You make blanket comments about how specific classes are, or are not going to work, based on everything but actual facts, because you are not in CB.
You make repeated opinions disguised as "facts" about how people are going to react to the RvR combat, how people are not going to want to take out cities more than a few times ever, when you obviously dont realize the amount of effort it takes to reach the capital city... if we see more than 1 or 2 total captures on a server before end of the year, it will be a miracle... and your statement about WAR declining after 2 yrs is a bunch of crap as well.
You make claims that the combat system is broken, and unbalanced. Tell me, what proof do you have of this? Again, its obvious you are not in CB, yet you make all these statements of fact in your OP.
You make a direct statement about roleplayers never being able to meet the epic endgame boss they wanted to, when its obvious you cant know that either.
I could continue to dissemble your horribly misinformed and ignorant post, but I figure thats more than enough time wasted on you, and it, for now.
I stated already that I am in no way, shape or form trying to convince everyone because i already knew that there would be people that disagree. I'm not going to do research for you, because you still would argue. There were podcasts talking about the RvR and how the battlefronts were set up. The original vision was exactly what i said, greenskins vs dwarves, order vs chaos and HE vs DEs. 24 classes divided into balanced teams of 4 archetypes and all of the races having their own unique capital city to take pride in and roleplay. Nope that won't happen now. They unbalanced it by removing some of the classes, leaving holes in their places. A warrior priest who was the healer, now hes kinda the tank. Thats like making the chaos zealot the tank, what sense does that make? None. No i never state to know everything but based on their decisions i can draw some pretty accurate conclusions. You don't release the game till its done, or don't advertise your game deceptively and then change your mind a couple weeks before pre-orders start.
Imitator nobody is forcing you to make posts on mmorpg.com, go away if you don't want to take the time to talk about it. If you can't detail as to why I am wrong, about how its bad to leave holes in your PvP foundation and to remove major content = capital cities. So that you can release it faster, then don't bother posting.
Excuse me, but I don't think you need to be rude about Role-play. It is still very much alive. If you don't like it...don't roll on a RPing server.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
Excuse me, but I don't think you need to be rude about Role-play. It is still very much alive. If you don't like it...don't roll on a RPing server.
I agree with Capn23, there is no need to be rude.
There are folks that actually enjoy RPing. I usually join an RP server just because people do seem to be more "nice" and "mature" (all of which is subjective). I don't mind light RP.
I have to disagree, i am the consumer, I refuse to pay for something unfinished. You either do it right or not at all. For you to say its unreasonable to get upset, you have incredibly low standards. You will continue to support the industry and continue to encourage them to put out unfinished games because they know the player base will buy it and put up with a half made game for an entire year, thus giving them millions of dollars in the process. And if the game declines, they can rinse their hands of it and walk away with profit.
When it comes to your options, i go with delay the game and according to their perfectionist standards, delay the game yet again. I don't care, release the game right, or not at all. I will not pay for a game that is not done.
I've highlighted the one thing you said that is good for us. That means you won't be in game and we will all have a better gaming experience for it, and you won’t be around to flood chat.
If you are going to write a diatribe like this thread at least show your references instead of just spewing innuendo and trolling.
You assume a lot, i don't flood chat channels. I don't harass people either, so i doubt i would ruin your gaming experience. You probably won't have to worry about me being in the game though, so you're right about that. If you want to pay for an unfinished game, go right on ahead, then you can wait for an entire year waiting for that content to come and then be told that they just don't feel like it. Who knows, i guess you trust Mythic so much, you'd be willing to take that risk.
I look forward to the day NDA drops then so you can prove me wrong, because i wanted to play this game too so if I am wrong and it turns out to be a great great game, then i will be happy. But I am not convinced, and you all have the choice of who you choose to believe, only time will tell once the game is released. And then after its been played by the masses will the full truth be revealed, no i don't know everything but cutting out major classes and content is pretty serious. Classes being the most obvious. We will have to see.
Which is it? Your OP makes it very clear that you are certain in your mind this game is going to be horrible, and you have no intention of waiting and seeing, as you refuse to give your money to a company that is releasing a game that isnt 100% perfect.
Now you say that we will have to wait and see, which is exactly what the rest of us have been saying all along, with you arguing with us the entire way.
Dont backpeddle on us now man, that takes all the fun away.
I never back peddled, I am convinced but I also have a hope that they turn things around because i want a good MMO to play. But i am convinced that based on those decision that they made, that it was a decision to rush the game out regardless of the important missing content, which sounds very familiar in today's MMO market, and we all know the result of that, wasted money and wasted time. I refuse to do that again.
I have to disagree, i am the consumer, I refuse to pay for something unfinished. You either do it right or not at all. For you to say its unreasonable to get upset, you have incredibly low standards. You will continue to support the industry and continue to encourage them to put out unfinished games because they know the player base will buy it and put up with a half made game for an entire year, thus giving them millions of dollars in the process. And if the game declines, they can rinse their hands of it and walk away with profit.
When it comes to your options, i go with delay the game and according to their perfectionist standards, delay the game yet again. I don't care, release the game right, or not at all. I will not pay for a game that is not done.
I've highlighted the one thing you said that is good for us. That means you won't be in game and we will all have a better gaming experience for it, and you won’t be around to flood chat.
If you are going to write a diatribe like this thread at least show your references instead of just spewing innuendo and trolling.
You assume a lot, i don't flood chat channels. I don't harass people either, so i doubt i would ruin your gaming experience. You probably won't have to worry about me being in the game though, so you're right about that. If you want to pay for an unfinished game, go right on ahead, then you can wait for an entire year waiting for that content to come and then be told that they just don't feel like it. Who knows, i guess you trust Mythic so much, you'd be willing to take that risk.
Wait for release...decide for yourself.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
JUVANTE-
Why do you persist in claiming that you refuse to support an "unfinished" game, when by your own admission "an MMO is never finished"? What are you doing here? You realize that this is an MMO site dont you? You realize that ALL the games you will find here are "unfinished"? Right?
The only thing that is in need of further development is your understanding of the game, the genre and logic.
Having 4 major classes missing out of 24 does not seem like it would be that much of a crushing blow to the game. What the OP was arguing was that there would be an uneven mix of tanks, DPS, ranged, etc. If I read correctly, it was a tank and melee DPS on one side while it was the exact same for the other. There will not be any improper mixes so that isn't too much of a problem. What will be with having 20 classes is making sure they are all balanced, which we don't really know yet, but I am almost absolutely sure this will be a huge issue.
The missing cities, though, I can see being a big issue, but nowhere near as to what the OP is exaggerating it to be. The only thing that is somewhat interesting to me is the fact that this game will be focusing greatly on world pvp and RvR (same thing, right? Or is RvR in some way different?). When people around the end of the game are rolling around, they're going to be spending most of their time raiding one major city or the other. To me, that seems somewhat repetitive. Unless they plan on adding in these other major cities very close to launch time, I can see this being an issue. There's also the fact that with less cities, there will be less balance for control on both sides in a server. Does Mythic have a plan for the almost inevitable inbalances?
Not trying to hate the game, I'm actually a fan, just would like to know about these issues and how they will resolve them. I'm just not that huge of a follower to know a huge amount of this game, only following this game a little bit tbh... just enough to consider myself a fan of the game, or at least it's success. Not sure if I will like this game over WoW, I'm gonna give it a month or two after release, but we shall see.
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/flash/2008-07_podcast.html
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
Yea have fun running around and getting wiped from boss fights or other mobs. Without a tank in early levels and pvp, no it probably won't make a huge difference but you will be the one getting spanked nonetheless for it. Have fun getting spanked so much, that you have to goto PvE and grind mobs so that you can get out of the smaller tiers due to the fact that your side is getting owned. And why? You lack one of your ESSENTIAL classes, and if nobody from the other races wants to join you, oh well, toooo bad. Or, lets wait 15 minutes for him to arrive, good thing he has a mount or it would take him 25 minutes or more!
As long as they have people like you playing their games, the industry will boon off of people with low standards and turning a blind eye to an unfinished product and still paying for it. Instead of having a great and complete game, you would rather have a game thats unfinished and not done till 1 year, and THEN finally have the game that you could have had from the beginning. Imagine if they released the game a year ago, how much of a disaster that would have been, this is the same situation only a lot less severe. But still serious nonetheless.
Old news is really old news.
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Yea have fun running around and getting wiped from boss fights or other mobs. Without a tank in early levels and pvp, no it probably won't make a huge difference but you will be the one getting spanked nonetheless for it. Have fun getting spanked so much, that you have to goto PvE and grind mobs so that you can get out of the smaller tiers due to the fact that your side is getting owned. And why? You lack one of your ESSENTIAL classes, and if nobody from the other races wants to join you, oh well, toooo bad. Or, lets wait 15 minutes for him to arrive, good thing he has a mount or it would take him 25 minutes or more!
As long as they have people like you playing their games, the industry will boon off of people with low standards and turning a blind eye to an unfinished product and still paying for it. Instead of having a great and complete game, you would rather have a game thats unfinished and not done till 1 year, and THEN finally have the game that you could have had from the beginning. Imagine if they released the game a year ago, how much of a disaster that would have been, this is the same situation only a lot less severe. But still serious nonetheless.
If it's THAT big a deal to you...go to the High Elven/Chaos/Dwarven/Orc teirs and level.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
I love when people post (OP) and don't have a clue what they're really talking about..
Your lack of beta experience really shows...
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Yea have fun running around and getting wiped from boss fights or other mobs. Without a tank in early levels and pvp, no it probably won't make a huge difference but you will be the one getting spanked nonetheless for it. Have fun getting spanked so much, that you have to goto PvE and grind mobs so that you can get out of the smaller tiers due to the fact that your side is getting owned. And why? You lack one of your ESSENTIAL classes, and if nobody from the other races wants to join you, oh well, toooo bad. Or, lets wait 15 minutes for him to arrive, good thing he has a mount or it would take him 25 minutes or more!
As long as they have people like you playing their games, the industry will boon off of people with low standards and turning a blind eye to an unfinished product and still paying for it. Instead of having a great and complete game, you would rather have a game thats unfinished and not done till 1 year, and THEN finally have the game that you could have had from the beginning. Imagine if they released the game a year ago, how much of a disaster that would have been, this is the same situation only a lot less severe. But still serious nonetheless.
How do you know so much specific information? Travel times? The necessitation of tank classes in low tiered quests and the like? Are you in CB? I didnt see you post that you were? Did I miss something? If you are, then I apologize. If your not then what are you talking about? You cant make a point when its made clear that your arguments are coming out of nowhere...
I have to disagree, i am the consumer, I refuse to pay for something unfinished. You either do it right or not at all. For you to say its unreasonable to get upset, you have incredibly low standards. You will continue to support the industry and continue to encourage them to put out unfinished games because they know the player base will buy it and put up with a half made game for an entire year, thus giving them millions of dollars in the process. And if the game declines, they can rinse their hands of it and walk away with profit.
When it comes to your options, i go with delay the game and according to their perfectionist standards, delay the game yet again. I don't care, release the game right, or not at all. I will not pay for a game that is not done.
I've highlighted the one thing you said that is good for us. That means you won't be in game and we will all have a better gaming experience for it, and you won’t be around to flood chat.
If you are going to write a diatribe like this thread at least show your references instead of just spewing innuendo and trolling.
You assume a lot, i don't flood chat channels. I don't harass people either, so i doubt i would ruin your gaming experience. You probably won't have to worry about me being in the game though, so you're right about that. If you want to pay for an unfinished game, go right on ahead, then you can wait for an entire year waiting for that content to come and then be told that they just don't feel like it. Who knows, i guess you trust Mythic so much, you'd be willing to take that risk.
And who says its going to take a year? It may verry well but spouting random times for something you know NOTHING about is just as bad as saying its unfinished. If its unfinished at launch that would mean that features arent working or not in the game. Guess what, classes are in the game, some where cut. Living cities and RvR are in the game. Some cities where cut. Doesnt mean its not finished. The content IN the game will be finished at launch so thus, its a finished game at launch with old features to be added later, for free not in an expansion.
See it all depends on your definition of finished. Your entitled to yours by you are not entitled to tell someone else there opinion is wrong and in a way, you are.
Yea have fun running around and getting wiped from boss fights or other mobs. Without a tank in early levels and pvp, no it probably won't make a huge difference but you will be the one getting spanked nonetheless for it. Have fun getting spanked so much, that you have to goto PvE and grind mobs so that you can get out of the smaller tiers due to the fact that your side is getting owned. And why? You lack one of your ESSENTIAL classes, and if nobody from the other races wants to join you, oh well, toooo bad. Or, lets wait 15 minutes for him to arrive, good thing he has a mount or it would take him 25 minutes or more!
As long as they have people like you playing their games, the industry will boon off of people with low standards and turning a blind eye to an unfinished product and still paying for it. Instead of having a great and complete game, you would rather have a game thats unfinished and not done till 1 year, and THEN finally have the game that you could have had from the beginning. Imagine if they released the game a year ago, how much of a disaster that would have been, this is the same situation only a lot less severe. But still serious nonetheless.
it costs about 50 copper to get to another zone......................its fine.
STOP THINKING SIDE VS SIDE, ITS REALM VS REALM
I have to disagree, i am the consumer, I refuse to pay for something unfinished.let me just stop you right there, a mmo is never finnished, what you consider a mmo finnished and what i do is different and is really only existent in the mmo world till the game dies. I would like for you to name a few games that have no cut anything, but rather then tell you it just didnt make it and was added later. I can think of a big one, its known as WoW You either do it right or not at all. For you to say its unreasonable to get upset, you have incredibly low standards. Could say you have to high standerds for this kind of industry You will continue to support the industry and continue to encourage them to put out unfinished games once again , your view and mine is different because they know the player base will buy it and put up with a half made game for an entire year, thus giving them millions of dollars in the processa bad game will not make that much money for that long , look at AOC it had a spike when it came out and that was the end of it. And if the game declines, they can rinse their hands of it and walk away with profit.
When it comes to your options, i go with delay the game and according to their perfectionist standards, delay the game yet again. I don't care, release the game right, or not at all. I will not pay for a game that is not done.then by by, i will enjoy my game because its about fun not OMG THEY CUT THINGS AND EVERY MMO HAS DONE IT BEFORE BECAUSE ITS COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE IN A DEVLOPMENT OF A GAME THAT TAKES 4+ YEARS TO ASSUME WHAT GUY A SAID AT DAY 1 STANDS TRUE AT DAY 712
I would also like to say those 4 capital cities never existed to you, you never played thus never had them, thus them not having them means you dont loose anything.
You're right i lost nothing because i choose not to pay for an unfinished game. When it comes to your reasoning behind the game never being finished. They are basing their game off of "Balance", or thats how it would seem when they made the 4 archetypes. I can understand cutting cities and dungeons, and cutting the special (insert name here) event, but classes? No. That's a game feature that should be in the game from the beginning. Obviously MMOs grow and are not static, but adding in a class at the last minute sets you up for a royal pain in the arse for fixing it up to par with the other classes and configuring it with everything in the game including tome of knowledge, quests, and everything pretty much. Theres a difference between post content, and foundational content that is SUPPOSE TO BE THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME.
The point is, is that if Mythic had never released any information about these cities, and then when they released the game it said "there are two capital cities: one for each faction" you would not know the difference. sure, you may wish they had a city for each race, but you would never even know that it was in the original plans. And it would stll be just as "finished" in your eyes.
They painted the picture of three battlefronts, 24 classes and 6 capital cities, END OF STORY. So what brought me to the game as a consumer,
three battlefronts, 24 classes and 6 capital cities
three battlefronts, 24 classes and 6 capital cities
three battlefronts, 24 classes and 6 capital cities
NOT....1battlefront, because in my opinion i consider a battlefront where two factions have capital cities and theres a line going up and down. Theres only 1, period.
NOT 20 classes, missing two tanks and two melee DPSs
NOT 2 capital cities
three battlefronts, 24 classes and 6 capital cities thats what brought me to the game, the fact that the game's vision was ambitious and had variety and HUGE replay value, priceless. No, they settled for the easy path and did 1 battlefront, 20 classes with 4 gaping holes and 2 capital cities. And took untested fortresses and slapped them down as a 5th tier using super glue.
Yea have fun running around and getting wiped from boss fights or other mobs. Without a tank in early levels and pvp, no it probably won't make a huge difference but you will be the one getting spanked nonetheless for it. Have fun getting spanked so much, that you have to goto PvE and grind mobs so that you can get out of the smaller tiers due to the fact that your side is getting owned. And why? You lack one of your ESSENTIAL classes, and if nobody from the other races wants to join you, oh well, toooo bad. Or, lets wait 15 minutes for him to arrive, good thing he has a mount or it would take him 25 minutes or more!
As long as they have people like you playing their games, the industry will boon off of people with low standards and turning a blind eye to an unfinished product and still paying for it. Instead of having a great and complete game, you would rather have a game thats unfinished and not done till 1 year, and THEN finally have the game that you could have had from the beginning. Imagine if they released the game a year ago, how much of a disaster that would have been, this is the same situation only a lot less severe. But still serious nonetheless.
it costs about 50 copper to get to another zone......................its fine.
STOP THINKING SIDE VS SIDE, ITS REALM VS REALM
Pure...delete that quick. I know it's frustrating, but don't break the NDA over an idiot.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
You say that you want them to release a game that isn't broken or unfinished, i agree with you, but what they are doing though is just that, they are missing essential classes and major endgame content. And God knows what else. I can just see the pain right now in PvP, order is going to get ripped a new one, and so are the Dark Elves. I can just hear the angry kid banging on his keyboard and throwing his monitor out the window. Lol no that isn't me, i just won't buy the game.
The OP is perfectly entitled to his opinion.
What effect he class and city dropping has on the game will have to wait for the NDA to be lifted so people who are in closed beta can discuss.
Mythic have already delayed the game a couple of times. If they were going to do it again it would already have been done.
So OP your choices are
- play the game as is at release,
- play the game at some point in the future when those features are in
- never play the game
Only you can decide what you are going to do, its not my job in life to convince you to play.
OP your post is pretty much useless until NDA drops. Im not trying to hate on you. Wait a week then rewrite your post.
This is entirely correct, you can not determine if a game is finished or not until the game is released, if it is released with crappy content (as it would have been if there were no cuts) then it would be unfinished, but they have decided to only release the finished content
you could interperet this in 1 of 2 ways: 1) the game is finished if ALL of the content is implemented and finished, in which case the game will always be adding content so it will NEVER be finished or. 2) the game is finished when the content THAT is implemented is finished, in which case the cuts support the fact the at the game will be finished, but we'll wait and see.....
and THEY CANNNOT delay the game any longer, it has been delayed enough...read the post about publishers and EA
MMOs grow and they are not static games but there is a difference between post content and developement content, foundational content, the content that was suppose to be there as a basic building block for the game to build off from. Its going to be a pain to add it in later and to balance it.
Again, not my problem they sold out to EA. Not my problem as a consumer, i just refuse to buy it, plain and simple. EA wants money, thats obvious, Mark should have found a better publisher.