The problem isn't with the game for most players because if it launched like the NGE (obviously without the crap UI and the stupid aiming) then alot of people would still be happy with it. However it's how SOE/LA lied and treated everyone which pisses most SWG veterans off and that's something that can never go away. I personally would resub in a heartbeat if they brought pre cu back but alot of people wouldn't.
i'm sorry, soe/smed have jacked over too many games for me to ever care about an soe/station pass game again.
pre-cu WITH bugs fixed (bh missions anyone?), with soe and station pass assoicated with it -- i'll pass. nothing good about it would last. that's been proven time and again by soe and smed both.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I understand what you are saying, what I am saying is that when they went to try and put in the collision system they ran into the problem where it would take a complete rewrite of the core game system to put it in. So it was not possible to do so from a business point of view. From my point of view combat now in the game is really not different than it was in pre-cu, pistols fire at .4, carbines at .6, rifles at .8 and melee at 1.0 seconds. Since everyone moves the same it does not seem to me to be the "Benny Hill" movement, you can still target lock if you wish to (I do not and get a 5% crit chance increase becuse of not using it). I do not see the game as a FPS game. The people such as the disgruntled vets have made their voices heard by not subscribing, not much else you can do. Was it bad planning on saying that something could come into the game and does not, sure thing. Some can't move on and some like myself can.
O.k. I do think you're hearing me, and I appreciate you acknowleding that. I think I also hear what you're saying. I happen to believe that they wanted to do an fps type of game in the NGE complete with collision detection. I also believe that once they set about to implement their plan, they realized they didn't have the resources to pull off such a massive coding rewrite. I get that.
My response is that they really should have investigated this before trying to change the combat to a more fps style. I also think they definitiely should have investigated it before telling people collision was coming. So, for whatever reason, people got a shooter style game without collision; they were told it was coming, and it didn't. This I think was obviously frustrating and disappointing for players.
As for moving on. I'm extremely happy playing other MMOs right now, when time allows. I have my good SWG memories, and don't long for the good old days of pre-cu. I respect those that do, but that's just not me.
Now, my focus is on promoting excellence in game development, and honesty in marketting and communication. SOE's actions really opened my eyes to the dark side of this industry, and I hope I can make a small difference towards making MMO's the fun and relaxing experience that people expect and pay for. The social and recreational potential for this genre is truly amazing to me.
Honestly, when dealing with competent and honest service providers, it's one of the funnest recreational experiences I've ever had. When dealing with incompetent and/or unethical service providers, however, I've seen these games really cause people a lot of real grief, and I find that both sad and unnecessary.
Right and they don't need to apologize. If something is wrong they usually fix it within days, they don't wait years or months to address it. This is the huge fundamental difference between SOE and other game developers. They will never get it until people put their foot down and forget that it's "just" $15 a month. You are paying people to do a crappy job.
Actually people HAVE put their collective feet down. It has had no effect on them.
Exactally, this is my point. Maybe something needs to be done more public.
That is what we are doing here -- giving them the worst word-of-mouth in the industry. None of it will have an effect until Smedley is gone, however.
Well maybe a website where people who've been misled or lied to about MMOs is created. Kind of like a real estate scam where you invest money on false pretences of future development that never pan out. It would have to involve an intense scrutiny of the ULA etc, but basically a bait and switch that hasn't been tried to my knowledge against MMO companies.
The Federal Trade Commission has an online database that tracks complaints made about MMO companies, if the complaints relate to violations of consumer rights. I have the link kicking around somewhere, but you could probably google it. Complaints aren't made public though. For that, a website where people could post their experiences with various companies might be a good idea. These forums seem to serve that function to a degree. I like the game-rating system here that also allows you to make comments.
The only thing that messes up these boards in my view is viral marketers illegal posing as players and doing word of mouth marketing. If another actual players likes something that I don't, that's all well and good. However, when you have people posing as players, and posting things that show they've never actually played a game, and then you have them making outrageously misleading statements designed to recruit people, that's a problem. The FTC also investigates this, however, if your complaint is evidence based.
I imagine most of these people that attended this conference are pretty pissed about the lack of what they saw on the demo, the capital ships. This was back in 2005 (I believe during the CU).
I imagine most of these people that attended this conference are pretty pissed about the lack of what they saw on the demo, the capital ships. This was back in 2005 (I believe during the CU). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_isoBJZXV0A
Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?"
Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans."
This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market.
Originally posted by ArcAngel3 Originally posted by sookster54 I imagine most of these people that attended this conference are pretty pissed about the lack of what they saw on the demo, the capital ships. This was back in 2005 (I believe during the CU). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_isoBJZXV0A
Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?" Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans." This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market.
It's bad enough that people would ever TRY and run a business that way, but stranger yet are the customers who defend such behavior on these and other forum boards.
Originally posted by ArcAngel3 you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans."
Seriously, what were they thinking? You don't just show something like that at a conference with several viewers then turn around and say "not part of our development plans". That's almost like showing a drawing of a concept car at a Ford conference and then saying a few weeks later "oh we thought we'd show you this cool car my son drew, we're not going to actually design that car".
I imagine most of these people that attended this conference are pretty pissed about the lack of what they saw on the demo, the capital ships. This was back in 2005 (I believe during the CU).
Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?"
Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans."
This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market.
It's bad enough that people would ever TRY and run a business that way, but stranger yet are the customers who defend such behavior on these and other forum boards.
Well I know there are some current players who simply don't want to lose their StarWars MMO, so they post here and elswhere to try to defend the game. I can understand that, and sympathize. I know what it feels like to lose an online community. It's not a good feeling.
However, there are very clearly some posters that are motivated not by a desire to keep their game, but rather by SOE's corporate interest.
How can you tell the difference? Some people claim to have played since beta, but clearly have no understanding of how the original game worked. Those people very likely didn't actually play. They post regularly about how wonderful SOE is, how excellent the current game is, and how crazy disgruntled players are for complaining about it. Facts are deliberately obscured and other people's words are intentionally twisted. They also tend to post the same kind of crap about Pirates of the Burning Sea and Vanguard. Oh they've played all of these since beta (they say), and the "real players" are still playing or coming back to all of these games by the droves. They'll also say that anyone who ever felt cheated by SOE is obviously crazy. They also claim that SOE is a successful business because look at all the games they still have running. Never mind the low subscriptions, broken gameplay, horrible reviews etc.. They also talk about how SOE is leading the MMO field with it's innovative ideas and courageous risk-taking.
Players simply don't talk like that, and you can't really fake being a player. Players who post to share their views and experiences sound like players. Viral marketters don't.
What I'd say to readers is look for these hallmarks in posts about any game. If you see this kind of talk, you're likely dealing with a viral marketter. Their only interest is recruitment, and they won't let the facts or the law get in the way of them doing their crappy job.
you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans."
Seriously, what were they thinking? You don't just show something like that at a conference with several viewers then turn around and say "not part of our development plans". That's almost like showing a drawing of a concept car at a Ford conference and then saying a few weeks later "oh we thought we'd show you this cool car my son drew, we're not going to actually design that car".
Well it's even worse if the president of the car company says, "hey how'd you like to see that in your driveway?" Worse still is the idea that people pay subscription money in advance based on what they're led to believe will become part of their gameplay. At least with the concept car, no money changes hands. With SWG, it did.
Originally posted by ArcAngel3 Originally posted by Fishermage
Originally posted by ArcAngel3
Originally posted by sookster54
I imagine most of these people that attended this conference are pretty pissed about the lack of what they saw on the demo, the capital ships. This was back in 2005 (I believe during the CU). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_isoBJZXV0A
Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?" Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans." This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market. It's bad enough that people would ever TRY and run a business that way, but stranger yet are the customers who defend such behavior on these and other forum boards.
Well I know there are some current players who simply don't want to lose their StarWars MMO, so they post here and elswhere to try to defend the game. I can understand that, and sympathize. I know what it feels like to lose an online community. It's not a good feeling. However, there are very clearly some posters that are motivated not by a desire to keep their game, but rather by SOE's corporate interest. How can you tell the difference? Some people claim to have played since beta, but clearly have no understanding of how the original game worked. Those people very likely didn't actually play. They post regularly about how wonderful SOE is, how excellent the current game is, and how crazy disgruntled players are for complaining about it. Facts are deliberately obscured and other people's words are intentionally twisted. They also tend to post the same kind of crap about Pirates of the Burning Sea and Vanguard. Oh they've played all of these since beta (they say), and the "real players" are still playing or coming back to all of these games by the droves. They'll also say that anyone who ever felt cheated by SOE is obviously crazy. They also claim that SOE is a successful business because look at all the games they still have running. Never mind the low subscriptions, broken gameplay, horrible reviews etc.. They also talk about how SOE is leading the MMO field with it's innovative ideas and courageous risk-taking. Players simply don't talk like that, and you can't really fake being a player. Players who post to share their views and experiences sound like players. Viral marketters don't. What I'd say to readers is look for these hallmarks in posts about any game. If you see this kind of talk, you're likely dealing with a viral marketter. Their only interest is recruitment, and they won't let the facts or the law get in the way of them doing their crappy job.
I can understand being motivated because you want to keep your game, but not justifying the lying of the corporation that makes that game, jsut because you want to keep your game.
Talking about how much you like a game and enjoy playing it and what a great community you have is one thing, saying that "they didn't REALLY LIE...." and "they never really PROMISED...well, not exactly..." That kinda attitude just boggles my mind.
I can understand far better a paid viral marketer. They checked their ethics at the door. But a paying customer?
I imagine most of these people that attended this conference are pretty pissed about the lack of what they saw on the demo, the capital ships. This was back in 2005 (I believe during the CU).
Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?"
Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans."
This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market.
It's bad enough that people would ever TRY and run a business that way, but stranger yet are the customers who defend such behavior on these and other forum boards.
Well I know there are some current players who simply don't want to lose their StarWars MMO, so they post here and elswhere to try to defend the game. I can understand that, and sympathize. I know what it feels like to lose an online community. It's not a good feeling.
However, there are very clearly some posters that are motivated not by a desire to keep their game, but rather by SOE's corporate interest.
How can you tell the difference? Some people claim to have played since beta, but clearly have no understanding of how the original game worked. Those people very likely didn't actually play. They post regularly about how wonderful SOE is, how excellent the current game is, and how crazy disgruntled players are for complaining about it. Facts are deliberately obscured and other people's words are intentionally twisted. They also tend to post the same kind of crap about Pirates of the Burning Sea and Vanguard. Oh they've played all of these since beta (they say), and the "real players" are still playing or coming back to all of these games by the droves. They'll also say that anyone who ever felt cheated by SOE is obviously crazy. They also claim that SOE is a successful business because look at all the games they still have running. Never mind the low subscriptions, broken gameplay, horrible reviews etc.. They also talk about how SOE is leading the MMO field with it's innovative ideas and courageous risk-taking.
Players simply don't talk like that, and you can't really fake being a player. Players who post to share their views and experiences sound like players. Viral marketters don't.
What I'd say to readers is look for these hallmarks in posts about any game. If you see this kind of talk, you're likely dealing with a viral marketter. Their only interest is recruitment, and they won't let the facts or the law get in the way of them doing their crappy job.
I can understand being motivated because you want to keep your game, but not justifying the lying of the corporation that makes that game, jsut because you want to keep your game.
Talking about how much you like a game and enjoy playing it and what a great community you have is one thing, saying that "they didn't REALLY LIE...." and "they never really PROMISED...well, not exactly..." That kinda attitude just boggles my mind.
I can understand far better a paid viral marketer. They checked their ethics at the door. But a paying customer?
If it is in fact just paying customers saying things like that, I also find it a bit surprising. The only thing I've seen similar to this is when people feel trapped in a bad situation. They sometimes tell themselves it's really not that bad in an effort to cope.
On the other hand, most of my friends who still play the game don't deny what SOE did. They empathize with their friends who were mistreated, and understand why we left. They also continue to play and try to make the game better from the inside. They share when some improvements are made to the game, and share ongoing frustration when things are changed on them again, or when bugs go left unfixed. I respect that kind of commentary very much.
Originally posted by ArcAngel3 Originally posted by Fishermage
Originally posted by ArcAngel3
Originally posted by Fishermage
Originally posted by ArcAngel3 Originally posted by sookster54
I imagine most of these people that attended this conference are pretty pissed about the lack of what they saw on the demo, the capital ships. This was back in 2005 (I believe during the CU). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_isoBJZXV0A
Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?" Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans." This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market.
It's bad enough that people would ever TRY and run a business that way, but stranger yet are the customers who defend such behavior on these and other forum boards. Well I know there are some current players who simply don't want to lose their StarWars MMO, so they post here and elswhere to try to defend the game. I can understand that, and sympathize. I know what it feels like to lose an online community. It's not a good feeling. However, there are very clearly some posters that are motivated not by a desire to keep their game, but rather by SOE's corporate interest. How can you tell the difference? Some people claim to have played since beta, but clearly have no understanding of how the original game worked. Those people very likely didn't actually play. They post regularly about how wonderful SOE is, how excellent the current game is, and how crazy disgruntled players are for complaining about it. Facts are deliberately obscured and other people's words are intentionally twisted. They also tend to post the same kind of crap about Pirates of the Burning Sea and Vanguard. Oh they've played all of these since beta (they say), and the "real players" are still playing or coming back to all of these games by the droves. They'll also say that anyone who ever felt cheated by SOE is obviously crazy. They also claim that SOE is a successful business because look at all the games they still have running. Never mind the low subscriptions, broken gameplay, horrible reviews etc.. They also talk about how SOE is leading the MMO field with it's innovative ideas and courageous risk-taking. Players simply don't talk like that, and you can't really fake being a player. Players who post to share their views and experiences sound like players. Viral marketters don't. What I'd say to readers is look for these hallmarks in posts about any game. If you see this kind of talk, you're likely dealing with a viral marketter. Their only interest is recruitment, and they won't let the facts or the law get in the way of them doing their crappy job.
I can understand being motivated because you want to keep your game, but not justifying the lying of the corporation that makes that game, jsut because you want to keep your game. Talking about how much you like a game and enjoy playing it and what a great community you have is one thing, saying that "they didn't REALLY LIE...." and "they never really PROMISED...well, not exactly..." That kinda attitude just boggles my mind. I can understand far better a paid viral marketer. They checked their ethics at the door. But a paying customer?
If it is in fact just paying customers saying things like that, I also find it a bit surprising. The only thing I've seen similar to this is when people feel trapped in a bad situation. They sometimes tell themselves it's really not that bad in an effort to cope. On the other hand, most of my friends who still play the game don't deny what SOE did. They empathize with their friends who were mistreated, and understand why we left. They also continue to play and try to make the game better from the inside. They share when some improvements are made to the game, and share ongoing frustration when things are changed on them again, or when bugs go left unfixed. I respect that kind of commentary very much.
Yep. Pretty much everyone I know who plays, and it's quite a few people. Feels that way. This odd behavior I mostly only see on the boards. I still don't understand it, and it blows my mind.
Although one is better off canceling completely. You'll get 23% of the year to play for free, which is obviously more then paying for 1-2 months out of the year.
I gets so old hearing the SWG defenders talk about things as if they are ancient history.
Those things happened long ago and people need to move on, the devs that did those nasty things are no longer there, SOE ran into problems when they tried to fix something so they can't.
Please stop making excuses for their actions. It is not like there was some secret cadre of devs who commited this blunders, SOE got rid of them and everything is working fine now. THIS IS HOW THE COMPANY OPERATES! End of story. Those oh so bad people are still there, because that is how this company thinks it is acceptable to do business with their customers.
They don't run into problems that cannot be fixed, they choose not to, because it would cost to much money. They sure didn't have a problem rewriting the game engine to make some fucked up psuedo FPS game that they expected people to pay to beta test for 6 months while they "fixed" it.
Same company, same people, same end result. There is a reason each of their game forums have an official I hate SOE thread.
Originally posted by Esquire1980 I had to laugh. Some1 posted a thread on the SOE forums of "how to enjoy the game". Sub for 1-2 months, unsub for 8-10 months. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=724270 I'm sure Blix will just love this 1.
I gets so old hearing the SWG defenders talk about things as if they are ancient history. Those things happened long ago and people need to move on, the devs that did those nasty things are no longer there, SOE ran into problems when they tried to fix something so they can't.
Please stop making excuses for their actions. It is not like there was some secret cadre of devs who commited this blunders, SOE got rid of them and everything is working fine now. THIS IS HOW THE COMPANY OPERATES! End of story. Those oh so bad people are still there, because that is how this company thinks it is acceptable to do business with their customers. They don't run into problems that cannot be fixed, they choose not to, because it would cost to much money. They sure didn't have a problem rewriting the game engine to make some fucked up psuedo FPS game that they expected people to pay to beta test for 6 months while they "fixed" it.
Same company, same people, same end result. There is a reason each of their game forums have an official I hate SOE thread.
Gotta love it when someone just calls it like they see it. Very refreshing. Thanks for the post.
Wow - this game has really, really gone down the crapper. I'm stunned that this thread is still up! Maybe the mod staff got bored and went to play something else they care about or something.
Wow - even the bulk of the people still playing SWG don't care and take months off at a time. Talk about a failure.
This is so incredibly pathetic it's embarrassing to watch.
The guys running SOE need to be CAST IN IRONS and dragged to GUANTANAMO BAY to endure WATERBOARDING WITH HYDROCHLORIC ACID instead of actual water....
(Note - I'm being sarcastic - I don't really mean that. I don't really wish ill on anyone....even the SOE team that really, really, really has it coming....)
Wow - this game has really, really gone down the crapper. I'm stunned that this thread is still up! Maybe the mod staff got bored and went to play something else they care about or something.
The mod team is hard at work, running raids in Wow with the Smed. SOE's 'Community Relations' personnel aren't hired based on their competence at dealing with customers, so I have to assume they are some of the best WoW raid players that apply for the job. It would explain Brenlo's employment much more than the idea that someone actually thought he would be good at the job, and definitely more than the fact that he has done as piss poor as he has, and still has his job. Brenlo isn't a small man, so I assume he wheezes too much to have gotten any pictures that the Smed and co wouldn't want to be public.
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i'm sorry, soe/smed have jacked over too many games for me to ever care about an soe/station pass game again.
pre-cu WITH bugs fixed (bh missions anyone?), with soe and station pass assoicated with it -- i'll pass. nothing good about it would last. that's been proven time and again by soe and smed both.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
O.k. I do think you're hearing me, and I appreciate you acknowleding that. I think I also hear what you're saying. I happen to believe that they wanted to do an fps type of game in the NGE complete with collision detection. I also believe that once they set about to implement their plan, they realized they didn't have the resources to pull off such a massive coding rewrite. I get that.
My response is that they really should have investigated this before trying to change the combat to a more fps style. I also think they definitiely should have investigated it before telling people collision was coming. So, for whatever reason, people got a shooter style game without collision; they were told it was coming, and it didn't. This I think was obviously frustrating and disappointing for players.
As for moving on. I'm extremely happy playing other MMOs right now, when time allows. I have my good SWG memories, and don't long for the good old days of pre-cu. I respect those that do, but that's just not me.
Now, my focus is on promoting excellence in game development, and honesty in marketting and communication. SOE's actions really opened my eyes to the dark side of this industry, and I hope I can make a small difference towards making MMO's the fun and relaxing experience that people expect and pay for. The social and recreational potential for this genre is truly amazing to me.
Honestly, when dealing with competent and honest service providers, it's one of the funnest recreational experiences I've ever had. When dealing with incompetent and/or unethical service providers, however, I've seen these games really cause people a lot of real grief, and I find that both sad and unnecessary.
Actually people HAVE put their collective feet down. It has had no effect on them.
Exactally, this is my point. Maybe something needs to be done more public.
That is what we are doing here -- giving them the worst word-of-mouth in the industry. None of it will have an effect until Smedley is gone, however.
Well maybe a website where people who've been misled or lied to about MMOs is created. Kind of like a real estate scam where you invest money on false pretences of future development that never pan out. It would have to involve an intense scrutiny of the ULA etc, but basically a bait and switch that hasn't been tried to my knowledge against MMO companies.
The Federal Trade Commission has an online database that tracks complaints made about MMO companies, if the complaints relate to violations of consumer rights. I have the link kicking around somewhere, but you could probably google it. Complaints aren't made public though. For that, a website where people could post their experiences with various companies might be a good idea. These forums seem to serve that function to a degree. I like the game-rating system here that also allows you to make comments.
The only thing that messes up these boards in my view is viral marketers illegal posing as players and doing word of mouth marketing. If another actual players likes something that I don't, that's all well and good. However, when you have people posing as players, and posting things that show they've never actually played a game, and then you have them making outrageously misleading statements designed to recruit people, that's a problem. The FTC also investigates this, however, if your complaint is evidence based.
I imagine most of these people that attended this conference are pretty pissed about the lack of what they saw on the demo, the capital ships. This was back in 2005 (I believe during the CU).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_isoBJZXV0A
Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?"
Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans."
This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market.
Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?"
Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans."
This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market.
It's bad enough that people would ever TRY and run a business that way, but stranger yet are the customers who defend such behavior on these and other forum boards.
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Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?"
Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans."
This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market.
It's bad enough that people would ever TRY and run a business that way, but stranger yet are the customers who defend such behavior on these and other forum boards.
Well I know there are some current players who simply don't want to lose their StarWars MMO, so they post here and elswhere to try to defend the game. I can understand that, and sympathize. I know what it feels like to lose an online community. It's not a good feeling.
However, there are very clearly some posters that are motivated not by a desire to keep their game, but rather by SOE's corporate interest.
How can you tell the difference? Some people claim to have played since beta, but clearly have no understanding of how the original game worked. Those people very likely didn't actually play. They post regularly about how wonderful SOE is, how excellent the current game is, and how crazy disgruntled players are for complaining about it. Facts are deliberately obscured and other people's words are intentionally twisted. They also tend to post the same kind of crap about Pirates of the Burning Sea and Vanguard. Oh they've played all of these since beta (they say), and the "real players" are still playing or coming back to all of these games by the droves. They'll also say that anyone who ever felt cheated by SOE is obviously crazy. They also claim that SOE is a successful business because look at all the games they still have running. Never mind the low subscriptions, broken gameplay, horrible reviews etc.. They also talk about how SOE is leading the MMO field with it's innovative ideas and courageous risk-taking.
Players simply don't talk like that, and you can't really fake being a player. Players who post to share their views and experiences sound like players. Viral marketters don't.
What I'd say to readers is look for these hallmarks in posts about any game. If you see this kind of talk, you're likely dealing with a viral marketter. Their only interest is recruitment, and they won't let the facts or the law get in the way of them doing their crappy job.
Well it's even worse if the president of the car company says, "hey how'd you like to see that in your driveway?" Worse still is the idea that people pay subscription money in advance based on what they're led to believe will become part of their gameplay. At least with the concept car, no money changes hands. With SWG, it did.
Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?"
Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans."
This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market.
It's bad enough that people would ever TRY and run a business that way, but stranger yet are the customers who defend such behavior on these and other forum boards.
Well I know there are some current players who simply don't want to lose their StarWars MMO, so they post here and elswhere to try to defend the game. I can understand that, and sympathize. I know what it feels like to lose an online community. It's not a good feeling.
However, there are very clearly some posters that are motivated not by a desire to keep their game, but rather by SOE's corporate interest.
How can you tell the difference? Some people claim to have played since beta, but clearly have no understanding of how the original game worked. Those people very likely didn't actually play. They post regularly about how wonderful SOE is, how excellent the current game is, and how crazy disgruntled players are for complaining about it. Facts are deliberately obscured and other people's words are intentionally twisted. They also tend to post the same kind of crap about Pirates of the Burning Sea and Vanguard. Oh they've played all of these since beta (they say), and the "real players" are still playing or coming back to all of these games by the droves. They'll also say that anyone who ever felt cheated by SOE is obviously crazy. They also claim that SOE is a successful business because look at all the games they still have running. Never mind the low subscriptions, broken gameplay, horrible reviews etc.. They also talk about how SOE is leading the MMO field with it's innovative ideas and courageous risk-taking.
Players simply don't talk like that, and you can't really fake being a player. Players who post to share their views and experiences sound like players. Viral marketters don't.
What I'd say to readers is look for these hallmarks in posts about any game. If you see this kind of talk, you're likely dealing with a viral marketter. Their only interest is recruitment, and they won't let the facts or the law get in the way of them doing their crappy job.
I can understand being motivated because you want to keep your game, but not justifying the lying of the corporation that makes that game, jsut because you want to keep your game.
Talking about how much you like a game and enjoy playing it and what a great community you have is one thing, saying that "they didn't REALLY LIE...." and "they never really PROMISED...well, not exactly..." That kinda attitude just boggles my mind.
I can understand far better a paid viral marketer. They checked their ethics at the door. But a paying customer?
fishermage.blogspot.com
Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?"
Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans."
This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market.
It's bad enough that people would ever TRY and run a business that way, but stranger yet are the customers who defend such behavior on these and other forum boards.
Well I know there are some current players who simply don't want to lose their StarWars MMO, so they post here and elswhere to try to defend the game. I can understand that, and sympathize. I know what it feels like to lose an online community. It's not a good feeling.
However, there are very clearly some posters that are motivated not by a desire to keep their game, but rather by SOE's corporate interest.
How can you tell the difference? Some people claim to have played since beta, but clearly have no understanding of how the original game worked. Those people very likely didn't actually play. They post regularly about how wonderful SOE is, how excellent the current game is, and how crazy disgruntled players are for complaining about it. Facts are deliberately obscured and other people's words are intentionally twisted. They also tend to post the same kind of crap about Pirates of the Burning Sea and Vanguard. Oh they've played all of these since beta (they say), and the "real players" are still playing or coming back to all of these games by the droves. They'll also say that anyone who ever felt cheated by SOE is obviously crazy. They also claim that SOE is a successful business because look at all the games they still have running. Never mind the low subscriptions, broken gameplay, horrible reviews etc.. They also talk about how SOE is leading the MMO field with it's innovative ideas and courageous risk-taking.
Players simply don't talk like that, and you can't really fake being a player. Players who post to share their views and experiences sound like players. Viral marketters don't.
What I'd say to readers is look for these hallmarks in posts about any game. If you see this kind of talk, you're likely dealing with a viral marketter. Their only interest is recruitment, and they won't let the facts or the law get in the way of them doing their crappy job.
I can understand being motivated because you want to keep your game, but not justifying the lying of the corporation that makes that game, jsut because you want to keep your game.
Talking about how much you like a game and enjoy playing it and what a great community you have is one thing, saying that "they didn't REALLY LIE...." and "they never really PROMISED...well, not exactly..." That kinda attitude just boggles my mind.
I can understand far better a paid viral marketer. They checked their ethics at the door. But a paying customer?
If it is in fact just paying customers saying things like that, I also find it a bit surprising. The only thing I've seen similar to this is when people feel trapped in a bad situation. They sometimes tell themselves it's really not that bad in an effort to cope.
On the other hand, most of my friends who still play the game don't deny what SOE did. They empathize with their friends who were mistreated, and understand why we left. They also continue to play and try to make the game better from the inside. They share when some improvements are made to the game, and share ongoing frustration when things are changed on them again, or when bugs go left unfixed. I respect that kind of commentary very much.
Yeah I remember that. Then Smed posted on the boards something like "hey how would you like to see guild controlled star destroyers?"
Then when nothing like this ever transpired, players asked, "hey what about those star destroyers?" Of course the answer was something like "well we never actually said they were coming, a dev was just fooling around with this on his PC, and we thought we'd show you; and well Smed was just throwing a random question out there, you guys are crazy if you think that had anything to do with actual development plans."
This is just another example of why many people don't want to do business with SOE anymore. You never seem to know what you're really going to get, whether or not it will actually work, or how long it's going to last. I really don't think you can run a business that way, and hope to grow your share of the market.
It's bad enough that people would ever TRY and run a business that way, but stranger yet are the customers who defend such behavior on these and other forum boards.
Well I know there are some current players who simply don't want to lose their StarWars MMO, so they post here and elswhere to try to defend the game. I can understand that, and sympathize. I know what it feels like to lose an online community. It's not a good feeling.
However, there are very clearly some posters that are motivated not by a desire to keep their game, but rather by SOE's corporate interest.
How can you tell the difference? Some people claim to have played since beta, but clearly have no understanding of how the original game worked. Those people very likely didn't actually play. They post regularly about how wonderful SOE is, how excellent the current game is, and how crazy disgruntled players are for complaining about it. Facts are deliberately obscured and other people's words are intentionally twisted. They also tend to post the same kind of crap about Pirates of the Burning Sea and Vanguard. Oh they've played all of these since beta (they say), and the "real players" are still playing or coming back to all of these games by the droves. They'll also say that anyone who ever felt cheated by SOE is obviously crazy. They also claim that SOE is a successful business because look at all the games they still have running. Never mind the low subscriptions, broken gameplay, horrible reviews etc.. They also talk about how SOE is leading the MMO field with it's innovative ideas and courageous risk-taking.
Players simply don't talk like that, and you can't really fake being a player. Players who post to share their views and experiences sound like players. Viral marketters don't.
What I'd say to readers is look for these hallmarks in posts about any game. If you see this kind of talk, you're likely dealing with a viral marketter. Their only interest is recruitment, and they won't let the facts or the law get in the way of them doing their crappy job.
I can understand being motivated because you want to keep your game, but not justifying the lying of the corporation that makes that game, jsut because you want to keep your game.
Talking about how much you like a game and enjoy playing it and what a great community you have is one thing, saying that "they didn't REALLY LIE...." and "they never really PROMISED...well, not exactly..." That kinda attitude just boggles my mind.
I can understand far better a paid viral marketer. They checked their ethics at the door. But a paying customer?
If it is in fact just paying customers saying things like that, I also find it a bit surprising. The only thing I've seen similar to this is when people feel trapped in a bad situation. They sometimes tell themselves it's really not that bad in an effort to cope.
On the other hand, most of my friends who still play the game don't deny what SOE did. They empathize with their friends who were mistreated, and understand why we left. They also continue to play and try to make the game better from the inside. They share when some improvements are made to the game, and share ongoing frustration when things are changed on them again, or when bugs go left unfixed. I respect that kind of commentary very much.
Yep. Pretty much everyone I know who plays, and it's quite a few people. Feels that way. This odd behavior I mostly only see on the boards. I still don't understand it, and it blows my mind.
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I had to laugh. Some1 posted a thread on the SOE forums of "how to enjoy the game". Sub for 1-2 months, unsub for 8-10 months.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=724270
I'm sure Blix will just love this 1.
lol that is a good read.
Although one is better off canceling completely. You'll get 23% of the year to play for free, which is obviously more then paying for 1-2 months out of the year.
I gets so old hearing the SWG defenders talk about things as if they are ancient history.
Those things happened long ago and people need to move on, the devs that did those nasty things are no longer there, SOE ran into problems when they tried to fix something so they can't.
Please stop making excuses for their actions. It is not like there was some secret cadre of devs who commited this blunders, SOE got rid of them and everything is working fine now. THIS IS HOW THE COMPANY OPERATES! End of story. Those oh so bad people are still there, because that is how this company thinks it is acceptable to do business with their customers.
They don't run into problems that cannot be fixed, they choose not to, because it would cost to much money. They sure didn't have a problem rewriting the game engine to make some fucked up psuedo FPS game that they expected people to pay to beta test for 6 months while they "fixed" it.
Same company, same people, same end result. There is a reason each of their game forums have an official I hate SOE thread.
Gotta love it when someone just calls it like they see it. Very refreshing. Thanks for the post.
Wow - this game has really, really gone down the crapper. I'm stunned that this thread is still up! Maybe the mod staff got bored and went to play something else they care about or something.
Wow - even the bulk of the people still playing SWG don't care and take months off at a time. Talk about a failure.
This is so incredibly pathetic it's embarrassing to watch.
The guys running SOE need to be CAST IN IRONS and dragged to GUANTANAMO BAY to endure WATERBOARDING WITH HYDROCHLORIC ACID instead of actual water....
(Note - I'm being sarcastic - I don't really mean that. I don't really wish ill on anyone....even the SOE team that really, really, really has it coming....)
Wow - this game has really, really gone down the crapper. I'm stunned that this thread is still up! Maybe the mod staff got bored and went to play something else they care about or something.
The mod team is hard at work, running raids in Wow with the Smed. SOE's 'Community Relations' personnel aren't hired based on their competence at dealing with customers, so I have to assume they are some of the best WoW raid players that apply for the job. It would explain Brenlo's employment much more than the idea that someone actually thought he would be good at the job, and definitely more than the fact that he has done as piss poor as he has, and still has his job. Brenlo isn't a small man, so I assume he wheezes too much to have gotten any pictures that the Smed and co wouldn't want to be public.