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Darcknyght
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just shows you how the government controls everything in this country and we are not free. This is utterly retarded and we should have not grudge with iran other then they just want us out of the middle east where we do not belong.
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As introverted as Teala seems.. I tend to agree*Shrugs* Freedom is something no one can give you usually. You only can take it
Our government is a lot smaller than most countries... and still will be smaller than most countries with Obama as president. Socialism is a term that suggests way too many things. If anything, Obama as a president would make our country a capitalist/socialist hybrid. A social democracy. Socialism sounds like a threat to many people but it's just a word, andr cannot describe every single one of Obama's plans/stances. That's why I like it when people talk about each issue specifically, and every stance each candidate has, rather than people saying Obama is a socialist and ending the conversation there. Furthermore government control can be a very good thing in many areas when executed well enough.
Corruption and mislocation of taxes bugs me, but I am not upset with having a majority of taxes going into programs that I like.
I do not wish any form of socialism! None!
I do not wish any form of socialism! None!
you are doing exactly what I wrote. dismissing every stance Obama has with what is essentially a one word answer (socialist!). when can people go through every single stance for every candidate and make a list of pros and cons for each of these stances; and then next, put a weight on how important each stance is to you. One word answers fail on so many levels because the lack of facts and details that encompass every one of the issues.
Saying "I don't want socialism" sounds like people who say "mccain is a warmonger" or "this band sucks". No one ever defends their 'one word' attacks, probably because thats all they are - attacks (aka. trolling). These attacks hardly involve any logical dissertaion on the issues.
(but perhaps one word attacks are better than one-sided arguments - people who don't even consider the counter arguments)
I do not wish any form of socialism! None!
you are doing exactly what I wrote. dismissing every stance Obama has with what is essentially a one word answer (socialist!). when can people go through every single stance for every candidate and make a list of pros and cons for each of these stances; and then next, put a weight on how important each stance is to you. One word answers fail on so many levels because the lack of facts and details that encompass every one of the issues.
Saying "I don't want socialism" sounds like people who say "mccain is a warmonger" or "this band sucks". No one ever defends their 'one word' attacks, probably because thats all they are - attacks (aka. trolling). These attacks hardly involve any logical dissertaion on the issues.
(but perhaps one word attacks are better than one-sided arguments - people who don't even consider the counter arguments)
No...you miss understand me I think. I do not wish any form of socialism in our government - period. None. You know what I am talking about so I do not need to discuss it. We have a republic...it works fine as the founding fathers created it. DO NOT F#@K WITH IT!
Government control? Are you frakking kidding me? They cannot even manage a cafeteria and you wish them to manage healthcare, schooling, and god knows what else. Forget it! Get them the frak out of our lives. Let them do what they do best. Sit on their fat arses. We should stop paying them...and just let them sit in those big buildings on their fat arses and rot for all I care. Most are thieves, liars and cheats and out for power. I really do not think any of them give a damn about real people...at all. The seriously can giev a shit. So why should we care about them. National governments are good for one thing...frakking things up!
I have to agree with Teala.
ideally national governments are created for positive results.
today, I wouldn't go as far as to say that we have the ideal government/laws... it's way off. but, I still think it's better than anarchy.
sure, I would want a new government all together with way better checks and balances and less corruption and all this other stuff but we are so far into the original charter that a huge fix-up is impossible without changing practically everything; so instead we work with what we got and hope for the best.
The main complaint by McCain fans (imo) is the tax increase Obama proposes.
If he thinks he can fix our government or at least just help a majoirty of americans - despite the tax increase - than I say go ahead. Spending more cash on tax isn't an issue to me if he can change things/problems with our government. If you don't believe he can make things better, than at lest he is trying for change as opposed to keeping the government how it is right now. You said it yourself, it's corrupt. I rather try and fail than not try at all. Paying extra on taxes is worth it because it's highly impossible that he will significantly f*ck up in a way that will hurt us all. The worst scenario is that we lose some money that we could be spending on lame materialistic sh*t.
The main complaint by Obama fans (imo) is that McCain wont offer as much help for americans in need (especially the majority of people who really deserve help), and that he will abuse his powers as commander and cheif (war dictator).
those are my opinions
Shut up about Obama...he is pretty much a Marxist and will try to force socialism down our throats. You wish to pay his taxes...tell you what. All you people that want Obama for president...you pay his taxes for us all. How about that? I mean you wish to create this wonderful welfare state and give free education, free medical, free whatever and all that is going to take lots of money. So you people that want Obama so much...you pay the taxes for all of us. Oh and how about this. While you're at it since you don't mind paying higher prices for gas...we others get card that gives us our gas for free on your dollar! How is that?! I mean surely you can afford it.
Oh god and while you're at it...I'll keep my money and you pay my rent. Yea..yea...oh and I'll need a car. I'll keep my money and you buy me a car...I mean...come on Obama can do it for us! He will be our savior! He'll provide everything for us with his government!~
You know...screw it...I don't need Obama, McCain...none of them. Just stay the frak out of my life and let me and my family make a living and let the private sector provide the houses, the cars, the food, the clothing and everything else we need. Let the market dictate the prices...and keep the government out of our lives - period!
You people that refuse to work who are capable of working...sorry...it is time to earn a living.
See that word is a problem. Ideally a lot of things are great, but they pretty much never work like we wanted them too.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
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I was right, it is all about the money with McCain fans. Teala, your previous post clearly illustrates this example.
The proposed tax increase is seriously not life threatening for me.
But not favoring the small tax increase could be seriously life threatening to people who cant afford the best health care. (someone had to mention that people will die without the proper health care instead of the usual I HATE WELFARE BUMS comments.)
"Hate hate hate, fight fight fight, mine mine mine absolute freedom" - my impression of some haters
I'm not even going to explain why education, social integration, and racial integration are important endeavors as well.
Socialism is the inevitable conclusion of a wealthy, well industrialized, nation.
It begins with the loss of practicality.
Developing nations have laws and governance that provide for the practical needs of it's developing citizens. They need food, shelter, jobs, etc. When a country like, let's take USA for example, becomes advanced enough to trivialize these practical needs. Things start to change.
Then begins Political Correctness.
When practicality becomes trivial, less practical laws and governance starts to creep into the rule book. Example, your major concerns aren't getting food and shelter anymore, so the problems become who said what about who. This give more power to the governing faction.
More government and bureaucracy.
This one is simple, more government equals more power over its people. To maintain those powers, the government must "buy" the support or willingness of the citizens. In the case of USA, the government is elected. So the governing faction offers to take from the rich (lest of the population) and give to the poor (majority of the population). The division line of rich and poor will always change so that the proportion will always approximately 1:10. Case in point: the poor in the USA live like the wealthy elite in some developing countries.
The conclusion of this process is what you call socialism.
Hate, hate, hate, mine, mine, mine absolute freedom...why because I wish to have the government out of my life that means I hate and just because I wish to have what "I earned" means I am a bad person. Well the way I see it...you must really hate me, because you condone stealing from me and giving it to someone who may not deserve it...like the women that does not work and collects welfare month after month based on the number of children she has and in order to get more money she pops out another child. Sorry...I do not feel the way you do. You want to support her...support her. I will not. Think of the children....just think of the children Teala. Hey! Did she think of the children before she had them? No!
Might seem really cold...but it is time for induviduals to take responsibilties for their own actions. If you cannot take care of the kids...give them to the church and let them find a loving and caring home for them as it use to be done
You can put all the pictures that you want...and charts and I still will not change my mind. Why? Because the government ran programs have time and time again proven that government ran programs and businesses do not work. I'll repeat what I said earlier...they cannot even manage a cafeteria and you want them running a nationally controlled healthcare system. I do not think so!
Lol, i'm assuming you are american, you have no republic, you have a capitalist state with imperialist tendencies.
Yea...and everyone elses governments are just so much better. I do not think so. You call it what you like...but it is still better than anything currently on the planet and hopefully someday the US populace will wake up and take back and inforce the document that originally founded this country - the Constitution of the United States. I know that is not likely to happen since most Americans cannot find DC on a map let alone what state they live in.
See thats the difference right there, i never said other countrys have better governments, you confuse the ideia of socialism with the former Soviet Union and iron curtain shit, the ideial of a socialist state is one more closer to the people and more " equal " if we can dare to assume such.
And you get to say that most of your fellow contrymen are dumb, well let me break you the knews, in were i leave, just accross the atlantic , i'm watching the news and some guy just got murdered inside his own home by a group of teens while the rest of the family was moved into the living room and locked there, why this happened ? Because the idiots in power decided that poor people should be placed in closed ghettos, and guess what , they were placed in power by more idiots that went into the old " I'm lowering taxes and raising jobs " song.
You're no better than me atm, and to be quite honest none of us is, uk, france, spain, portugal, germany, us, rus, just to mention a few.
You see the wrong people, the really dumb ones, have this strange ability to reach into places of power and disseminate their stupidity trough the masses.
So you can only hope that the US will work under its constitution, as long as the general world pop remains "dumb" and some nasty catastrophe doesn't happen, we're going to be stuck for a very long time.
America is a Constitutional Federal Republic, or at least it was supposed to be... the problem is the Federal Gov. is continually chipping away at the constitutional rights and sovrienty of its own member states... Obama will continue this trend by mandating the states impliment his socialist/ communist health plan, along with the rest of his "changes". The goal of the centralized federal government was originally to provide defense from outside invaders... it has slowly, over the years, become a system to provide comfort and complacency for its populice. America has grown fat and requires a care giver to roll it over so its bedsores stop itching.
There is a quote:
democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
~ creditted to Alexander Fraser Tytler
America probably sits somewhere between the 5th and 6th bullet...
I'm a little confused here, now i've never been to the United States but when someone mentions 'socialism' do a lot of people connect that instantaneously to 'Communism'? Lets be fair everyone knows the thoughts that communism provokes when confronted with the American dream :P
But socialism is not communsim, i mean to lean towards the left is not to throw caution to the wind and become a commy. As they say the cold war is over (well for the most part anyway but thats a different matter).
Personally from the outside looking in you Americans dont have it so great, free helath care for example. Now you may have fantastic private hospitals, champion if your rich but if your poor your screwed.
I think Obama would be good for America and also for the image of America (dont get me wrong i'm not saying Obama will bring free health care thats a completly different point). I think it's about time you lot got away from red-neck image of leadership you have over there.
I put socialist/ communist simply because Obama is pushing his communist agenda under the guise of leftist socialism. I personnaly don't distinguish a difference between the two, others might...
Hospitals in the US cannot turn people away if they need help. Sorry. If they do and or if they neglect to give care they get into huge trouble. So basically everyone pretty much has healthcare here if they really, really need it. Our system will work even better if the US government would get its paws off it. We also need tort reform big time! That is why it cost so much in the US for healthcare. Doctors and hospitals need to purchase insurance that cost a ton of money. It has increased so much over the last 20 years because everyone and their mother sues here in the US. We need tort reform so that people cannot sue doctors and hospitals for millions and millions(most of which goes to lawyers BTW).
We would have it better if the US government would stop getting in our way. No other countries have the environmental controls and red tape that we have and it is stagnating our industry. I blame environmental lobbiest for this primarily. One little snail is discovered and "It's endangered! We must save it! Shut down the dams, no more ranches along shores of the rivers they live in. We have to divert traffic away from the river or it might disrupt the snail habitate! Save the snail!"
Please!!!!!!!!!!!! Go drown yourself. ::shakes her head:: If I have to choose people over a snail...guess who I am going with!~
Hospitals in the US cannot turn people away if they need help. Sorry. If they do and or if they neglect to give care they get into huge trouble. So basically everyone pretty much has healthcare here if they really, really need it. Our system will work even better if the US government would get its paws off it. We also need tort reform big time! That is why it cost so much in the US for healthcare. Doctors and hospitals need to purchase insurance that cost a ton of money. It has increased so much over the last 20 years because everyone and their mother sues here in the US. We need tort reform so that people cannot sue doctors and hospitals for millions and millions(most of which goes to lawyers BTW).
We would have it better if the US government would stop getting in our way. No other countries have the environmental controls and red tape that we have and it is stagnating our industry. I blame environmental lobbiest for this primarily. One little snail is discovered and "It's endangered! We must save it! Shut down the dams, no more ranches along shores of the rivers they live in. We have to divert traffic away from the river or it might disrupt the snail habitate! Save the snail!"
Please!!!!!!!!!!!! Go drown yourself. ::shakes her head:: If I have to choose people over a snail...guess who I am going with!~
Then why did i see in the news a black woman dying in a hospital waiting room and no one giving 2 cents about her welcare?
Medics / nurses / hospital staff should be kept accountable for their actions and mistakes, they chose the profession and they knew what it envolved.
And regarding environmentalists, and environment issues, your reply reminds me a coment of your good old G.W. , something along the lines of, " the solution for trees is cutting them down " , guess what, you cut the trees you don't have air.
The same applies to animal and plant species, the system has a hierarchy were some animal and plants depend on others for balance, hence the natural plague control that nature has, the same control that sometimes is unbalanced due to human action.
The reason why the US industry is running in slower pace isnt' because the environmentalists have it their way, its due to lack of vision and a mass consumption culture.
You can, and should, have nature and follow a more healthy way of life combined with progress and technology.
So Obama is a communist 'because' he is a socialist...i see. Yes and when Obama (notice not if) yes when Obama becomes President of the United States of America a new Iron Curtain will rise and a cold wind will blow from the West making the east shiver in it's boots...I look forward to this Cold War of the 21st century.
Please re-read I think you misunderstood. Obama is a communist pretending to be something else.
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036
Hospitals in the US cannot turn people away if they need help. Sorry. If they do and or if they neglect to give care they get into huge trouble. So basically everyone pretty much has healthcare here if they really, really need it. Our system will work even better if the US government would get its paws off it. We also need tort reform big time! That is why it cost so much in the US for healthcare. Doctors and hospitals need to purchase insurance that cost a ton of money. It has increased so much over the last 20 years because everyone and their mother sues here in the US. We need tort reform so that people cannot sue doctors and hospitals for millions and millions(most of which goes to lawyers BTW).
We would have it better if the US government would stop getting in our way. No other countries have the environmental controls and red tape that we have and it is stagnating our industry. I blame environmental lobbiest for this primarily. One little snail is discovered and "It's endangered! We must save it! Shut down the dams, no more ranches along shores of the rivers they live in. We have to divert traffic away from the river or it might disrupt the snail habitate! Save the snail!"
Please!!!!!!!!!!!! Go drown yourself. ::shakes her head:: If I have to choose people over a snail...guess who I am going with!~
Then why did i see in the news a black woman dying in a hospital waiting room and no one giving 2 cents about her welcare?
Medics / nurses / hospital staff should be kept accountable for their actions and mistakes, they chose the profession and they knew what it envolved.
And regarding environmentalists, and environment issues, your reply reminds me a coment of your good old G.W. , something along the lines of, " the solution for trees is cutting them down " , guess what, you cut the trees you don't have air.
The same applies to animal and plant species, the system has a hierarchy were some animal and plants depend on others for balance, hence the natural plague control that nature has, the same control that sometimes is unbalanced due to human action.
The reason why the US industry is running in slower pace isnt' because the environmentalists have it their way, its due to lack of vision and a mass consumption culture.
You can, and should, have nature and follow a more healthy way of life combined with progress and technology.
Our hospital staffs are not perfect and neither are yours. So don't go there. No...we can be good stewards of the land...trees are a renewable resource. We cut them down and replant them. I use to live the US northwest...we have been practicing that for years and it works. No doubt some plants and animals depend on one another...but you have to know about the snail I am talking about before you make a judgement on my remarks. Yes a snail become a huge problem for the state of Idaho. OK. And it cost the state and its people tons and tons of money - and it turned out that the environmentalist were wrong all along because the snail was found it streams all over the stinking state by Idaho Fish and Game!