Our government is a lot smaller than most countries... and still will be smaller than most countries with Obama as president. Socialism is a term that suggests way too many things. If anything, Obama as a president would make our country a capitalist/socialist hybrid. A social democracy. Socialism sounds like a threat to many people but it's just a word, andr cannot describe every single one of Obama's plans/stances. That's why I like it when people talk about each issue specifically, and every stance each candidate has, rather than people saying Obama is a socialist and ending the conversation there. Furthermore government control can be a very good thing in many areas when executed well enough. Corruption and mislocation of taxes bugs me, but I am not upset with having a majority of taxes going into programs that I like.
Do me a Favor Thrakk(Or anyone else) . Name me One Government run Program that is a Runaway Sucsess. Hell name me one that is a Sucsess.. I Sure as hell cant.. Milatary is the Closest thing. But there are a LOT of areas that it can be Inproved on.
Schools are Crap(More money Per Student than almost any country in the world and what 18th place)
Health care is Number one in the world tho and thats BECAUSE its private.
Milatary is Good But Its still a Huge drain on the Econamy.(Still glad its a Government Org tho)
Nasa Is Dooing wonders Almost Inspite of Itself.
And others Im to Tired to think of. Later all
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
I'm a little confused here, now i've never been to the United States but when someone mentions 'socialism' do a lot of people connect that instantaneously to 'Communism'? Lets be fair everyone knows the thoughts that communism provokes when confronted with the American dream :P But socialism is not communsim, i mean to lean towards the left is not to throw caution to the wind and become a commy. As they say the cold war is over (well for the most part anyway but thats a different matter). Personally from the outside looking in you Americans dont have it so great, free helath care for example. Now you may have fantastic private hospitals, champion if your rich but if your poor your screwed. I think Obama would be good for America and also for the image of America (dont get me wrong i'm not saying Obama will bring free health care thats a completly different point). I think it's about time you lot got away from red-neck image of leadership you have over there.
Hospitals in the US cannot turn people away if they need help. Sorry. If they do and or if they neglect to give care they get into huge trouble. So basically everyone pretty much has healthcare here if they really, really need it. Our system will work even better if the US government would get its paws off it. We also need tort reform big time! That is why it cost so much in the US for healthcare. Doctors and hospitals need to purchase insurance that cost a ton of money. It has increased so much over the last 20 years because everyone and their mother sues here in the US. We need tort reform so that people cannot sue doctors and hospitals for millions and millions(most of which goes to lawyers BTW).
We would have it better if the US government would stop getting in our way. No other countries have the environmental controls and red tape that we have and it is stagnating our industry. I blame environmental lobbiest for this primarily. One little snail is discovered and "It's endangered! We must save it! Shut down the dams, no more ranches along shores of the rivers they live in. We have to divert traffic away from the river or it might disrupt the snail habitate! Save the snail!"
Please!!!!!!!!!!!! Go drown yourself. ::shakes her head:: If I have to choose people over a snail...guess who I am going with!~
9 Years ago a guy in a Chevy Suburban ran over my car doing 45 mph. Today I have migraines more days then I don't, have lost some of the feeling in my right hand, have cripling pain in my back and neck, vision trouble when the nerve to my face starts to get irritated, I can't play basket ball anymore, I can't lift weights, I can't run, I can't be on my feet for extended periods of time, I can't sit for extended periods of time.
The settlement from the accident paid the existing medical bills at the time (a little over a years worth of physical therepy), and a few of the other bills that I fell behind on, like rent. The settlement didn't cover anything that I would have to deal with later down the road.
Today I can't buy a house, a car, get a credit card. My credit is pretty much as low as it gets thanks to the "free health care" I recieved because a hospital can't turn you away.
They can't turn you away but they can cripple you in other ways. That's hardly free.
Our health care is absolutely NOTHING to be proud of.
Edit: BTW, the "free health care" that our country provides in our wonderful private hospitals is to continually prescribe me narcotic pain killers. (I currently have a bottle of vicadin sitting on my desk next to me thanks to a trip to the hospital this past thursday when I woke up, and proceeded to ball my eyes out because the pain shooting through my upper body was enough that I would have prefered to die in my sleep.
Basically I could accomplish the same effing thing by going down the road to the dope dealer and getting a bag of heroin. Our wonderful private hospitals answers to helping me is to prescribe me the most addictive drugs they can. I'm feeling really helped right now. I bet if I asked a life long friend of mine how how he's enjoyed our countries health care he would say, in between methadone slurs, that he loves it.
That's very sad that happened to you. I don't understand why you think that the rest of the country should be footing your prolonged recovery through taxes though... that's what private charities and support groups are for, which I would feel more inclined to give to if the government weren't already raping my checkbook.
The truth of the matter is our population has been molded into a sense of entitlement, which is contrary to the nature of our original government model: you keep what you earn, and give what you think you should give... This modern Robin Hood syndrome is ineffective.
Socialism is evil because it generalizes the nature of humanity by telling you that you are too incapable of deciding what to do with what you earned, they know what is best for you.
I also love how everyone keeps spouting "free" health care... like they aren't really going to be paying for it through some sort of tax hike. So because I haven't suffered the same misfortune you have I should foot the bill... screw that. I know how to save cash for a rainy day, or a stormy year, I don't need the federal government planning anything except defense against foreign invasion. If we still had our original sovereign states protected by a centeralized gov in this country we'd have several different models to work from, some could even be socialist if that worked for them, and we could migrate to whatever state provided the flavor of governance we desired...
That's very sad that happened to you. I don't understand why you think that the rest of the country should be footing your prolonged recovery through taxes though... that's what private charities and support groups are for, which I would feel more inclined to give to if the government weren't already raping my checkbook. The truth of the matter is our population has been molded into a sense of entitlement, which is contrary to the nature of our original government model: you keep what you earn, and give what you think you should give... This modern Robin Hood syndrome is ineffective. Socialism is evil because it generalizes the nature of humanity by telling you that you are too incapable of deciding what to do with what you earned, they know what is best for you. I also love how everyone keeps spouting "free" health care... like they aren't really going to be paying for it through some sort of tax hike. So because I haven't suffered the same misfortune you have I should foot the bill... screw that. I know how to save cash for a rainy day, or a stormy year, I don't need the federal government planning anything except defense against foreign invasion. If we still had our original sovereign states protected by a centeralized gov in this country we'd have several different models to work from, some could even be socialist if that worked for them, and we could migrate to whatever state provided the flavor of governance we desired...
Health care problems in the US do not start and end with taxes; nor did I ever say anyone should foot my bill.
I will however say that anyone that thinks healthcare in the US is fine is completely off thier rocker.
You can save cash on sub 30k a year? Not in my state.
The funny thing is, I have health insurance. I have to drive an hour and a half to find a doctor that eccepts it, then I have to get a lawyer to get the insurance company to pay the bill.
But you'll probably tell me that insurance has nothing to do with healthcare in the US.
Just because you haven't had to suffer through misfortune doesn't mean everything is ok. It means your ignorant to how things really work.
Now you tell me.
How do you pay 20+ thousand in medical bills that are the result of SOMEONE ELSES ACTIONS, when the bills amount to as much as you make each year and you still have to survive. I get the shit end of the stick because the guy that did this to me had more money to hire a better lawyer, and that's not OK!
But since you mention taxes. Why is that my quality of life continually goes down and yet I keep paying more and more in taxes? No where in the constitution does it say that I must earn x amount of dollars each year to live confortably under this government.
That's very sad that happened to you. I don't understand why you think that the rest of the country should be footing your prolonged recovery through taxes though... that's what private charities and support groups are for, which I would feel more inclined to give to if the government weren't already raping my checkbook. The truth of the matter is our population has been molded into a sense of entitlement, which is contrary to the nature of our original government model: you keep what you earn, and give what you think you should give... This modern Robin Hood syndrome is ineffective. Socialism is evil because it generalizes the nature of humanity by telling you that you are too incapable of deciding what to do with what you earned, they know what is best for you. I also love how everyone keeps spouting "free" health care... like they aren't really going to be paying for it through some sort of tax hike. So because I haven't suffered the same misfortune you have I should foot the bill... screw that. I know how to save cash for a rainy day, or a stormy year, I don't need the federal government planning anything except defense against foreign invasion. If we still had our original sovereign states protected by a centeralized gov in this country we'd have several different models to work from, some could even be socialist if that worked for them, and we could migrate to whatever state provided the flavor of governance we desired...
Health care problems in the US do not start and end with taxes; nor did I ever say anyone should foot my bill.
I will however say that anyone that thinks healthcare in the US is fine is completely off thier rocker.
You can save cash on sub 30k a year? Not in my state.
The funny thing is, I have health insurance. I have to drive an hour and a half to find a doctor that eccepts it, then I have to get a lawyer to get the insurance company to pay the bill.
But you'll probably tell me that insurance has nothing to do with healthcare in the US.
Just because you haven't had to suffer through misfortune doesn't mean everything is ok. It means your ignorant to how things really work.
Now you tell me.
How do you pay 20+ thousand in medical bills that are the result of SOMEONE ELSES ACTIONS, when the bills amount to as much as you make each year and you still have to survive. I get the shit end of the stick because the guy that did this to me had more money to hire a better lawyer, and that's not OK!
But since you mention taxes. Why is that my quality of life continually goes down and yet I keep paying more and more in taxes? No where in the constitution does it say that I must earn x amount of dollars each year to live confortably under this government.
Are you telling us the whole story? My brother became disabled and his medical bills are far more than that. He recieves Social Security because of his disability. Have you looked into SS? Did you work? No long term disability at your work? Not attacking you but, if your story is true, you are an exception, not the normal as far as healthcare goes.
That's very sad that happened to you. I don't understand why you think that the rest of the country should be footing your prolonged recovery through taxes though... that's what private charities and support groups are for, which I would feel more inclined to give to if the government weren't already raping my checkbook. The truth of the matter is our population has been molded into a sense of entitlement, which is contrary to the nature of our original government model: you keep what you earn, and give what you think you should give... This modern Robin Hood syndrome is ineffective. Socialism is evil because it generalizes the nature of humanity by telling you that you are too incapable of deciding what to do with what you earned, they know what is best for you. I also love how everyone keeps spouting "free" health care... like they aren't really going to be paying for it through some sort of tax hike. So because I haven't suffered the same misfortune you have I should foot the bill... screw that. I know how to save cash for a rainy day, or a stormy year, I don't need the federal government planning anything except defense against foreign invasion. If we still had our original sovereign states protected by a centeralized gov in this country we'd have several different models to work from, some could even be socialist if that worked for them, and we could migrate to whatever state provided the flavor of governance we desired...
Health care problems in the US do not start and end with taxes; nor did I ever say anyone should foot my bill.
Health care starts with private enterprise and ends with government meddling.
I will however say that anyone that thinks healthcare in the US is fine is completely off thier rocker.
You are correct, the government is too involved.
You can save cash on sub 30k a year? Not in my state.
Yes you can. I lived off of far less than that and saved for a decade you can too... move somewhere with a lower cost of living. At 22 I realized I was not going anywhere in life, I got an entry level job working in the middle of the night doing manual labor.. made about $150 a week.. with no collage education I have moved up the chain in that same company and pull in far more $. It takes strong willpower, and dedication to control yourself and not keep up with your neighbors lifestyle but I know for a fact it can be done...
The funny thing is, I have health insurance. I have to drive an hour and a half to find a doctor that eccepts it, then I have to get a lawyer to get the insurance company to pay the bill.
But you'll probably tell me that insurance has nothing to do with healthcare in the US.
Find a job that provides health insurance, or at least helps mitigate the cost.
Just because you haven't had to suffer through misfortune doesn't mean everything is ok. It means your ignorant to how things really work.
Simply because one has never lived through another persons misfortune does not make them ignorant... that comment is ignorant.
Now you tell me.
How do you pay 20+ thousand in medical bills that are the result of SOMEONE ELSES ACTIONS, when the bills amount to as much as you make each year and you still have to survive. I get the shit end of the stick because the guy that did this to me had more money to hire a better lawyer, and that's not OK!
I'm surprised you didn't have ambulance chasers knocking your door down to take your case for free... I was rear ended by a truck a few years back and shortly after that the lawyers came out of the wood work... apparently they monitor traffic reports.
But since you mention taxes. Why is that my quality of life continually goes down and yet I keep paying more and more in taxes? No where in the constitution does it say that I must earn x amount of dollars each year to live confortably under this government.
Someone has to support the welfare state, why are you different? I sure did enjoy those checks Bush had the IRS rebate back to me.
America is a Constitutional Federal Republic, or at least it was supposed to be... the problem is the Federal Gov. is continually chipping away at the constitutional rights and sovrienty of its own member states... Obama will continue this trend by mandating the states impliment his socialist/ communist health plan, along with the rest of his "changes". The goal of the centralized federal government was originally to provide defense from outside invaders... it has slowly, over the years, become a system to provide comfort and complacency for its populice. America has grown fat and requires a care giver to roll it over so its bedsores stop itching.
There is a quote: democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.
~ creditted to Alexander Fraser Tytler America probably sits somewhere between the 5th and 6th bullet...
You guys are so blind. Obama could care less about health care or anything for that matter. Obama will do what he thinks people want because they tell him or they QQ about it all day. People want health care so a politician is going to say well im propossing a united health care system to try and get elected. It will not pass through congress so it wont matter. This health plan has been on the tables for a long time. As for obama vs mccain it all comes down to what u want your children to grow up in. Its hard times right now and with Bush and McCain who also agrees telling russia what to do and try and start another world war then by all means vote for mccain. I have no idea what obama would do but im thinking the opposite seeing as he wants us to get out of iraq which should of never happend to begin with. Obama and McCain are same to me just one is going to tax the rich a little more then the other because we have a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex and the prez does what they want them to do.
Our government is a lot smaller than most countries... and still will be smaller than most countries with Obama as president. Socialism is a term that suggests way too many things. If anything, Obama as a president would make our country a capitalist/socialist hybrid. A social democracy. Socialism sounds like a threat to many people but it's just a word, andr cannot describe every single one of Obama's plans/stances. That's why I like it when people talk about each issue specifically, and every stance each candidate has, rather than people saying Obama is a socialist and ending the conversation there. Furthermore government control can be a very good thing in many areas when executed well enough. Corruption and mislocation of taxes bugs me, but I am not upset with having a majority of taxes going into programs that I like.
Do me a Favor Thrakk(Or anyone else) . Name me One Government run Program that is a Runaway Sucsess. Hell name me one that is a Sucsess.. I Sure as hell cant.. Milatary is the Closest thing. But there are a LOT of areas that it can be Inproved on.
Schools are Crap(More money Per Student than almost any country in the world and what 18th place)
Health care is Number one in the world tho and thats BECAUSE its private.
Milatary is Good But Its still a Huge drain on the Econamy.(Still glad its a Government Org tho)
I'd say you're a lazy speller, but maybe English isn't your first language. And even if English were your second language, that still wouldn't explain your lazy thinking.
Health care problems in the US do not start and end with taxes; nor did I ever say anyone should foot my bill.
Health care starts with private enterprise and ends with government meddling.
No, today in the US healthcare primarilly begins with greed, just like government. You can be inprisoned for selling or buying heroin, but our government says it's ok for a doctor to prescribe pills made of the exact same thing as heroin. They spend billions of our tax dollars to fight drugs but when your child is hurt you take them to the hospital and they'll put them on a morphine drip, or give them an oxycotton. That is hypocricy. The FDA, the FEDERAL drug administration has so far not cleared a single non narcotic pain reliever as safe. On the other hand narcotic pain relievers wich are easy to OD on, are highly addictive, and cause some of the same health problems as non narcotics, FDA considers safe to prescribe. See anything here. Did you know that an opiate based pain killer will CAUSE a user to suffer more pain then it relieves? One of the things that opiates do that makes them so addictive is to attach themselves to pain receptors causing the user more pain when they are off them, one of the reasons so many people become heroin addicts after being prescribed narcotic pain killers; people with no past history of drug abuse. I've seen it happen first hand on more then one occasion. This has nothing to do with the FDA looking out for our health and everything to do with benefiting pharmacutical companies. We can clone animals but we can't create a safer pain killer? Something isn't right here. I don't think that heroin should be legal, don't get the wrong idea, just to say that healthcare in the US isn't about helping patients so much as it's about helping business make more money.
After about a decade of dealing with a sustained injury the most obviouse thing I've found is that most of the healthcare in this country isn't about getting you better, but ensuring you continue to come back. It's all about money.
I will however say that anyone that thinks healthcare in the US is fine is completely off thier rocker.
You are correct, the government is too involved.
Actually I don't think government is involved enough, and the involvment they do have is motivated by greed. Healthcare should be provided to us through our tax dollars and it's number one goal should be to provide care and treatment that is aimed at FIXING the problem, not treating the symptoms. Our government spends billions fighting a drug war that every year they are losing worse and worse. Imagine if they took that money and instituted national healthcare, oh wait, you can't make money that way.
You can save cash on sub 30k a year? Not in my state.
Yes you can. I lived off of far less than that and saved for a decade you can too... move somewhere with a lower cost of living. At 22 I realized I was not going anywhere in life, I got an entry level job working in the middle of the night doing manual labor.. made about $150 a week.. with no collage education I have moved up the chain in that same company and pull in far more $. It takes strong willpower, and dedication to control yourself and not keep up with your neighbors lifestyle but I know for a fact it can be done...
You have to know me to understand my opinion of money. I care little for it and have no desire to be wealthy. A friend of mine tells me that I'm a socialist. Maybe I am. I disaprove of the way our country is run and how our government is set up. Saving to me isn't about setting aside 50 dollars a month for 10 years. That sort of saving becomes just about pointless the more the economy crumbles and currency nose dives into obsolete. A few months worth of saving becomes wasted the moment your car breaks down, and if you don't live in area with adiquate public transportation then being without a vehicle becomes a serious problem. I have no desire to own a home, at just a hair shy of 32 I'm farely certian I don't want kids; so I don't really see the point of accumulating wealth or material possesions that will do me no good when I die, I can't take a house or a bently with me. This doesn't mean I have to willpower or dedication; I'm incredibly willfull and extremely dedicated to the things I find worthwhile in life. I'm very simple, and the things I desire I'm happy to work for, in fact I take pride in knowing that I've earned everything in my life, I've never been handed a thing; I have earned what I have and am happy with them. I also VERY STRONGLY believe that certian things are entitled to us; healthcare is one of them.
The funny thing is, I have health insurance. I have to drive an hour and a half to find a doctor that eccepts it, then I have to get a lawyer to get the insurance company to pay the bill.
But you'll probably tell me that insurance has nothing to do with healthcare in the US.
Find a job that provides health insurance, or at least helps mitigate the cost.
I have a job that provides health insurance. It's provide through our union, of wich I'm the shop steward. Having insurance doesn't mean having good insurance and more people in this country have no insurance and bad insurance then have good. Having insurance doesn't even guarantee the bills get paid. I have to have a lawyer call the group that handles mine just to get them to pay the bills, and my credit is still destroyed because of it. There's a problem there.
Just because you haven't had to suffer through misfortune doesn't mean everything is ok. It means your ignorant to how things really work.
Simply because one has never lived through another persons misfortune does not make them ignorant... that comment is ignorant.
To believe that everything is ok and fine with the status quo because everything is ok and fine with you is truelly ingnorance though. In case you missed it more people in this country go without health insurance or adiquate healthcare then go with. This is a problem. Just because you have good insurance and are able to get good treatment doesn't mean that the magority of people that aren't are doing something wrong, it means your fortunate enough to not have to deal with those problems. People either don't see, or simply refuse to except that there is a serious healthcare problem in this country and are a little to comfortable making excuses for a failed system. It isn't working; it hasn't been for a very long time. How many elections are you people going to vote in and listen to candidates every four years say the same thing, they'll fix healthcare, and not a single one does a thing to help, yet no one is alarmed. If every presidential election every candidate says they will fix it, why isn't it fixed? If it's not broken why do they say they will fix it? How many elections before more people get fed up and DEMAND it get fixed or at the very least admit that there is an obvious problem here. This is just assinine stupidity to think that it's ok when every election they keep touting that they got the fix. Wake up!
Now you tell me.
How do you pay 20+ thousand in medical bills that are the result of SOMEONE ELSES ACTIONS, when the bills amount to as much as you make each year and you still have to survive. I get the shit end of the stick because the guy that did this to me had more money to hire a better lawyer, and that's not OK!
I'm surprised you didn't have ambulance chasers knocking your door down to take your case for free... I was rear ended by a truck a few years back and shortly after that the lawyers came out of the wood work... apparently they monitor traffic reports.
My state is one that took measures to try and halt frivolous lawsuits. Since there is no visable injury and I was only 20 at the time no one was taking it serious. Even my lawyer said that I could spend the next 7 years going through a trial and still only end up getting what I got only less because the lawyer fees would have grown.
To be exact. I walked away with 4 thousand awarded to me, and my medical bills paid. The doctors that worked on me agreed to cut thier bills IN HALF because the settlement wasn't going to be enough to pay them and award me anything. They felt bad for me. Even the doctors knew I was being dicked over. If I had a scar I could have got twice what I got. An effing scare! Never mind the report that stated a degenerative nerve condition as the result of trauma to the spine and muscles in my back caused by the accident. Two years I spent dealing with lawyers and insurance companies.
To further boot. When I called my insurance company and told them I was in an accident, without hesitation the reps says, "you don't have insurance with us" 2 days later I got a refund check. Unfortunetly for me, being in need of the money I cashed the check. If I hadn't I could have sued them. I didn't know this untill my lawyer told me. Insurance, like our nations healthcare isn't there to help us, it's there to make someone money.
But since you mention taxes. Why is that my quality of life continually goes down and yet I keep paying more and more in taxes? No where in the constitution does it say that I must earn x amount of dollars each year to live confortably under this government.
Someone has to support the welfare state, why are you different? I sure did enjoy those checks Bush had the IRS rebate back to me.
And those checks did NOTHING to help us or the economy. NOTHING. Yet we were all happy to recieve them, happy to cash them, happy to spend them. Even me. The guys running our country aren't stupid. At the same time they mailed us our checks the federal reserve rolled HALF A TRILLION dollars to keeps PRIVATE BUSINESSES front failing. Our government can't provide healthcare for us but they can roll of hundreds of billions of dollars to aid private businesses? There's a really big problem there.
Our government is not working for us, we're working for our government. That's a problem.
And in case some of you haven't figure it out yet, this isn't a democratic government. In a democratic one the people elect the president and as I recall the people voted for Gore; not Bush.
The OP is right, were not free. Free countries don't institute drafts, or put a man in charge the people didn't want for president. Nor are we free as long as our government continues to mismanage our taxes.
You are not free when you have to pay for all of your freedoms.
But it's cool. I got a bottle of legal heroin purchased with my crappy insurance and prescribed to me by my private hospital. I don't have to worry about my pain or my government if I'm stoned out of my mind, and yeah, there's a problem here.
Edit: Sorry for the gross spelling errors. I'm to groggy to fix them and there's simply to many.
The government controls our nuclear stockpiles and the Federal Reserve. So before you all go worrying about the government controlling healthcare, you should try to figure out how to get nukes out of the hands of our incompetent government. Maybe none of our government programs have been an outright sucess, but saving lives through healthcare and preventing crime through education oughta count for something. Healthcare and education lean more towards sucess than failure. Saving people's lives and preventing crime, that's some of the benefits of my tax dollars, even if none of the government spending is an outright sucess.
Love is the answer, and you know that for sure.
War is over if you want it.
I don't believe in killing, whatever the reason.
If everyone demanded peace
instead of another television set,
then there'd be peace.
If someone thinks that love and peace is a cliche
that must have been left behind in the Sixties, that's his problem.
Honestly Thrakk, I trust our government with nukes more then I trust them with my tax dollars. They've only used them once since they invented them; yet they have yet to manage our taxes adiquately.
After all, 20 years ago our deficet was just topping a billion, now it's in the trillions.
BTW, it's not the weapons you know about that you should be scared of, it's the ones you don't know about that should be scaring the shit out of you. If you really think that nukes are the scarey weapons then you should use your imagination. When developing a weapon it's not about what can you make it's about what can you imagine. If you can think it, you can make it.
Honestly Thrakk, I trust our government with nukes more then I trust them with my tax dollars. They've only used them once since they invented them; yet they have yet to manage our taxes adiquately. After all, 20 years ago our deficet was just topping a billion, now it's in the trillions. BTW, it's not the weapons you know about that you should be scared of, it's the ones you don't know about that should be scaring the shit out of you. If you really think that nukes are the scarey weapons then you should use your imagination. When developing a weapon it's not about what can you make it's about what can you imagine. If you can think it, you can make it.
You forget that the deficit increases when people pay less taxes: How else do we pay off the national debt? With money we borrow from communist China? The national debt is a collective debt of every single person in the USA.
Frankly, Im scared that McCain will start World War 3 with material gains as his second war objective.
Honestly Thrakk, I trust our government with nukes more then I trust them with my tax dollars. They've only used them once since they invented them; yet they have yet to manage our taxes adiquately. After all, 20 years ago our deficet was just topping a billion, now it's in the trillions. BTW, it's not the weapons you know about that you should be scared of, it's the ones you don't know about that should be scaring the shit out of you. If you really think that nukes are the scarey weapons then you should use your imagination. When developing a weapon it's not about what can you make it's about what can you imagine. If you can think it, you can make it.
You forget that the deficit increases when people pay less taxes: How else do we pay off the national debt? With money we borrow from communist China? The national debt is a collective debt of every single person in the USA.
Frankly, Im scared that McCain will start World War 3 with material gains as his second war objective.
Funny, I though the deficet increased when governments do things like borrow money from banks for things like wars, or from borrowing from other countries, or by printing a half a trillion dollars in fresh currency and steam rolling inflation making our dollar less valued.
I had no idea that I was actually increasing the national debt by paying my taxes every year. Interesting.
How exactly does a country spending money they don't have equate to a collective debt created by people paying less taxes? When exactly did the government give us billions in tax relief? I must be paying my taxes wrong.
Our government is a lot smaller than most countries... and still will be smaller than most countries with Obama as president. Socialism is a term that suggests way too many things. If anything, Obama as a president would make our country a capitalist/socialist hybrid. A social democracy. Socialism sounds like a threat to many people but it's just a word, andr cannot describe every single one of Obama's plans/stances. That's why I like it when people talk about each issue specifically, and every stance each candidate has, rather than people saying Obama is a socialist and ending the conversation there. Furthermore government control can be a very good thing in many areas when executed well enough. Corruption and mislocation of taxes bugs me, but I am not upset with having a majority of taxes going into programs that I like.
I do not wish any form of socialism! None!
Maybe in anothe life you will know how it is to be poor. And you will certainly know how it is to be old. Maybe we should ask you then.
I quit arguing politics on mmorpg.com, FOR GOOD. Too much ignorance and too many stubborn folk.
Remember that in an earlier poll, here in the off-topic discussion, the results showed Obama as the winner. As long as the election isn't rigged I bet Obama will be the winner. He's up on the polls (as usual). So, the Obama haters are just going to have to suck it up or move to Canada when he becomes president (LOL).
Originally posted by altairzq Originally posted by Teala Originally posted by Thrakk Our government is a lot smaller than most countries... and still will be smaller than most countries with Obama as president. Socialism is a term that suggests way too many things. If anything, Obama as a president would make our country a capitalist/socialist hybrid. A social democracy. Socialism sounds like a threat to many people but it's just a word, andr cannot describe every single one of Obama's plans/stances. That's why I like it when people talk about each issue specifically, and every stance each candidate has, rather than people saying Obama is a socialist and ending the conversation there. Furthermore government control can be a very good thing in many areas when executed well enough. Corruption and mislocation of taxes bugs me, but I am not upset with having a majority of taxes going into programs that I like.
I do not wish any form of socialism! None!
Maybe in anothe life you will know how it is to be poor. And you will certainly know how it is to be old. Maybe we should ask you then.
You have your Socialism in your Country, aren't you happy enough? Why would you care what Teala wants for her Country. Maybe she was poor and got an education and a better job. Maybe when she's old she will have saved up for her retirement.
I quit arguing politics on mmorpg.com, FOR GOOD. Too much ignorance and too many stubborn folk. Remember that in earlier poll, here in the off-topic discussion, the results showed Obama as the winner. As long as the election isn't rigged I bet Obama will be the winner. He's up on the polls (as usual). So, the Obama haters are just going to have to suck it up or move to Canada when he becomes president (LOL).
or they will do what htey did last time. The US population started deciding it wanted handouts instead of oppurtunity.
Stop spending their money.
It took a world war to make the people with money to spend it again. So yeah vote in a guy promising to repeat history. that makes even more sense. im sure a republican will get blamed for it. Democrats today almost make me want to actually register rebublican for the 1st time in my life.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Our government is a lot smaller than most countries... and still will be smaller than most countries with Obama as president. Socialism is a term that suggests way too many things. If anything, Obama as a president would make our country a capitalist/socialist hybrid. A social democracy. Socialism sounds like a threat to many people but it's just a word, andr cannot describe every single one of Obama's plans/stances. That's why I like it when people talk about each issue specifically, and every stance each candidate has, rather than people saying Obama is a socialist and ending the conversation there. Furthermore government control can be a very good thing in many areas when executed well enough.
Corruption and mislocation of taxes bugs me, but I am not upset with having a majority of taxes going into programs that I like.
I do not wish any form of socialism! None!
Maybe in anothe life you will know how it is to be poor. And you will certainly know how it is to be old. Maybe we should ask you then.
You have your Socialism in your Country, aren't you happy enough? Why would you care what Teala wants for her Country. Maybe she was poor and got an education and a better job. Maybe when she's old she will have saved up for her retirement.
Maybe the republican presidents will continue to ruin social security for us! I'm surprised they get away with it. woooo I'm done.
Social security didnt start getting screwed by the democratic congress LOL. Get a timeline. Learn more about Bush's economics. Then come back and B.S. your next answer like you probably will.
Originally posted by Thrakk Maybe the republican presidents will continue to ruin social security for us! I'm surprised they get away with it. woooo I'm done.
Yeah, your Social Security has been raped by every politician since its inception. They use the money from it to buy votes and threaten to take it away to scare the old people. Anyone who thinks they will retire on SS is mis-informed.
i didnt blame only congress like you only blamed the president. dont try to turn it into something else.
Screw it lets turn it into somethign else. You want to say its only the president...
his economics have nothing to do with him "stealing" it( thats my point not his policy hasnt huirt it , not his policy hasnt helped etc..) , you said he stole it , he cant congress does the budgeting always has in our entire history. Its part of their job but i guess the powers granted to the office of the president are just BS. If you think that SS was fine until it was turned unprofitable by congress becaseu the avg american beleives that anything turning as profit is/has to be evil and preying on the unfortunate.
Here is a decent article about myths beleives by the avg Us citizen
By the way its conclusion is that by 2018 SS will require the entire GNP of the united staes because its broken, because of the way it works and draws funds, not because someone "stole from it" because in reality there is nothnig to steal, there isnt a single cent in ANY SS fund in our government , nothing , zip, zero.
Here is a paper confiriming this that was published in 2002( years before that one) as a result of The Clinton administration's policy ( yes this is a govt website ) So now you have to either blame the current issue on Clinton since he was president when it started or accept that maybe you might have been blinded by ignorace and bought into what the mediahas feed to sheep:
So only an person willing to ignore reality ,to blindy parrot what biased a media wants and desire ( read sheep) would place blame squarely on the shoulders of 1 person.
I advise you to learn how the real US govt works , how transactions/economics at that level of $ work , and face that pretty much you have been fooled into thinking that 1 person (a president) can affect so much ( esp when their power prohibits them from doint anything more than asking pretty please).
there thats several timelines ... from the office that DOES the job , you know congress.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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Do me a Favor Thrakk(Or anyone else) . Name me One Government run Program that is a Runaway Sucsess. Hell name me one that is a Sucsess.. I Sure as hell cant.. Milatary is the Closest thing. But there are a LOT of areas that it can be Inproved on.
Schools are Crap(More money Per Student than almost any country in the world and what 18th place)
Health care is Number one in the world tho and thats BECAUSE its private.
Milatary is Good But Its still a Huge drain on the Econamy.(Still glad its a Government Org tho)
Nasa Is Dooing wonders Almost Inspite of Itself.
And others Im to Tired to think of. Later all
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Hospitals in the US cannot turn people away if they need help. Sorry. If they do and or if they neglect to give care they get into huge trouble. So basically everyone pretty much has healthcare here if they really, really need it. Our system will work even better if the US government would get its paws off it. We also need tort reform big time! That is why it cost so much in the US for healthcare. Doctors and hospitals need to purchase insurance that cost a ton of money. It has increased so much over the last 20 years because everyone and their mother sues here in the US. We need tort reform so that people cannot sue doctors and hospitals for millions and millions(most of which goes to lawyers BTW).
We would have it better if the US government would stop getting in our way. No other countries have the environmental controls and red tape that we have and it is stagnating our industry. I blame environmental lobbiest for this primarily. One little snail is discovered and "It's endangered! We must save it! Shut down the dams, no more ranches along shores of the rivers they live in. We have to divert traffic away from the river or it might disrupt the snail habitate! Save the snail!"
Please!!!!!!!!!!!! Go drown yourself. ::shakes her head:: If I have to choose people over a snail...guess who I am going with!~
9 Years ago a guy in a Chevy Suburban ran over my car doing 45 mph. Today I have migraines more days then I don't, have lost some of the feeling in my right hand, have cripling pain in my back and neck, vision trouble when the nerve to my face starts to get irritated, I can't play basket ball anymore, I can't lift weights, I can't run, I can't be on my feet for extended periods of time, I can't sit for extended periods of time.
The settlement from the accident paid the existing medical bills at the time (a little over a years worth of physical therepy), and a few of the other bills that I fell behind on, like rent. The settlement didn't cover anything that I would have to deal with later down the road.
Today I can't buy a house, a car, get a credit card. My credit is pretty much as low as it gets thanks to the "free health care" I recieved because a hospital can't turn you away.
They can't turn you away but they can cripple you in other ways. That's hardly free.
Our health care is absolutely NOTHING to be proud of.
Edit: BTW, the "free health care" that our country provides in our wonderful private hospitals is to continually prescribe me narcotic pain killers. (I currently have a bottle of vicadin sitting on my desk next to me thanks to a trip to the hospital this past thursday when I woke up, and proceeded to ball my eyes out because the pain shooting through my upper body was enough that I would have prefered to die in my sleep.
Basically I could accomplish the same effing thing by going down the road to the dope dealer and getting a bag of heroin. Our wonderful private hospitals answers to helping me is to prescribe me the most addictive drugs they can. I'm feeling really helped right now. I bet if I asked a life long friend of mine how how he's enjoyed our countries health care he would say, in between methadone slurs, that he loves it.
That's very sad that happened to you. I don't understand why you think that the rest of the country should be footing your prolonged recovery through taxes though... that's what private charities and support groups are for, which I would feel more inclined to give to if the government weren't already raping my checkbook.
The truth of the matter is our population has been molded into a sense of entitlement, which is contrary to the nature of our original government model: you keep what you earn, and give what you think you should give... This modern Robin Hood syndrome is ineffective.
Socialism is evil because it generalizes the nature of humanity by telling you that you are too incapable of deciding what to do with what you earned, they know what is best for you.
I also love how everyone keeps spouting "free" health care... like they aren't really going to be paying for it through some sort of tax hike. So because I haven't suffered the same misfortune you have I should foot the bill... screw that. I know how to save cash for a rainy day, or a stormy year, I don't need the federal government planning anything except defense against foreign invasion. If we still had our original sovereign states protected by a centeralized gov in this country we'd have several different models to work from, some could even be socialist if that worked for them, and we could migrate to whatever state provided the flavor of governance we desired...
Health care problems in the US do not start and end with taxes; nor did I ever say anyone should foot my bill.
I will however say that anyone that thinks healthcare in the US is fine is completely off thier rocker.
You can save cash on sub 30k a year? Not in my state.
The funny thing is, I have health insurance. I have to drive an hour and a half to find a doctor that eccepts it, then I have to get a lawyer to get the insurance company to pay the bill.
But you'll probably tell me that insurance has nothing to do with healthcare in the US.
Just because you haven't had to suffer through misfortune doesn't mean everything is ok. It means your ignorant to how things really work.
Now you tell me.
How do you pay 20+ thousand in medical bills that are the result of SOMEONE ELSES ACTIONS, when the bills amount to as much as you make each year and you still have to survive. I get the shit end of the stick because the guy that did this to me had more money to hire a better lawyer, and that's not OK!
But since you mention taxes. Why is that my quality of life continually goes down and yet I keep paying more and more in taxes? No where in the constitution does it say that I must earn x amount of dollars each year to live confortably under this government.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
Health care problems in the US do not start and end with taxes; nor did I ever say anyone should foot my bill.
I will however say that anyone that thinks healthcare in the US is fine is completely off thier rocker.
You can save cash on sub 30k a year? Not in my state.
The funny thing is, I have health insurance. I have to drive an hour and a half to find a doctor that eccepts it, then I have to get a lawyer to get the insurance company to pay the bill.
But you'll probably tell me that insurance has nothing to do with healthcare in the US.
Just because you haven't had to suffer through misfortune doesn't mean everything is ok. It means your ignorant to how things really work.
Now you tell me.
How do you pay 20+ thousand in medical bills that are the result of SOMEONE ELSES ACTIONS, when the bills amount to as much as you make each year and you still have to survive. I get the shit end of the stick because the guy that did this to me had more money to hire a better lawyer, and that's not OK!
But since you mention taxes. Why is that my quality of life continually goes down and yet I keep paying more and more in taxes? No where in the constitution does it say that I must earn x amount of dollars each year to live confortably under this government.
Are you telling us the whole story? My brother became disabled and his medical bills are far more than that. He recieves Social Security because of his disability. Have you looked into SS? Did you work? No long term disability at your work? Not attacking you but, if your story is true, you are an exception, not the normal as far as healthcare goes.
Health care problems in the US do not start and end with taxes; nor did I ever say anyone should foot my bill.
Health care starts with private enterprise and ends with government meddling.
I will however say that anyone that thinks healthcare in the US is fine is completely off thier rocker.
You are correct, the government is too involved.
You can save cash on sub 30k a year? Not in my state.
Yes you can. I lived off of far less than that and saved for a decade you can too... move somewhere with a lower cost of living. At 22 I realized I was not going anywhere in life, I got an entry level job working in the middle of the night doing manual labor.. made about $150 a week.. with no collage education I have moved up the chain in that same company and pull in far more $. It takes strong willpower, and dedication to control yourself and not keep up with your neighbors lifestyle but I know for a fact it can be done...
The funny thing is, I have health insurance. I have to drive an hour and a half to find a doctor that eccepts it, then I have to get a lawyer to get the insurance company to pay the bill.
But you'll probably tell me that insurance has nothing to do with healthcare in the US.
Find a job that provides health insurance, or at least helps mitigate the cost.
Just because you haven't had to suffer through misfortune doesn't mean everything is ok. It means your ignorant to how things really work.
Simply because one has never lived through another persons misfortune does not make them ignorant... that comment is ignorant.
Now you tell me.
How do you pay 20+ thousand in medical bills that are the result of SOMEONE ELSES ACTIONS, when the bills amount to as much as you make each year and you still have to survive. I get the shit end of the stick because the guy that did this to me had more money to hire a better lawyer, and that's not OK!
I'm surprised you didn't have ambulance chasers knocking your door down to take your case for free... I was rear ended by a truck a few years back and shortly after that the lawyers came out of the wood work... apparently they monitor traffic reports.
But since you mention taxes. Why is that my quality of life continually goes down and yet I keep paying more and more in taxes? No where in the constitution does it say that I must earn x amount of dollars each year to live confortably under this government.
Someone has to support the welfare state, why are you different? I sure did enjoy those checks Bush had the IRS rebate back to me.
You guys are so blind. Obama could care less about health care or anything for that matter. Obama will do what he thinks people want because they tell him or they QQ about it all day. People want health care so a politician is going to say well im propossing a united health care system to try and get elected. It will not pass through congress so it wont matter. This health plan has been on the tables for a long time. As for obama vs mccain it all comes down to what u want your children to grow up in. Its hard times right now and with Bush and McCain who also agrees telling russia what to do and try and start another world war then by all means vote for mccain. I have no idea what obama would do but im thinking the opposite seeing as he wants us to get out of iraq which should of never happend to begin with. Obama and McCain are same to me just one is going to tax the rich a little more then the other because we have a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex and the prez does what they want them to do.
Do me a Favor Thrakk(Or anyone else) . Name me One Government run Program that is a Runaway Sucsess. Hell name me one that is a Sucsess.. I Sure as hell cant.. Milatary is the Closest thing. But there are a LOT of areas that it can be Inproved on.
Schools are Crap(More money Per Student than almost any country in the world and what 18th place)
Health care is Number one in the world tho and thats BECAUSE its private.
Milatary is Good But Its still a Huge drain on the Econamy.(Still glad its a Government Org tho)
Nasa Is Dooing wonders Almost Inspite of Itself.
And others Im to Tired to think of. Later all
Sucsess. Sucsess. cant. Milatary. Inproved. its. Milatary. its. Econamy. Dooing. Inspite.
I'd say you're a lazy speller, but maybe English isn't your first language. And even if English were your second language, that still wouldn't explain your lazy thinking.
Health care starts with private enterprise and ends with government meddling.
No, today in the US healthcare primarilly begins with greed, just like government. You can be inprisoned for selling or buying heroin, but our government says it's ok for a doctor to prescribe pills made of the exact same thing as heroin. They spend billions of our tax dollars to fight drugs but when your child is hurt you take them to the hospital and they'll put them on a morphine drip, or give them an oxycotton. That is hypocricy. The FDA, the FEDERAL drug administration has so far not cleared a single non narcotic pain reliever as safe. On the other hand narcotic pain relievers wich are easy to OD on, are highly addictive, and cause some of the same health problems as non narcotics, FDA considers safe to prescribe. See anything here. Did you know that an opiate based pain killer will CAUSE a user to suffer more pain then it relieves? One of the things that opiates do that makes them so addictive is to attach themselves to pain receptors causing the user more pain when they are off them, one of the reasons so many people become heroin addicts after being prescribed narcotic pain killers; people with no past history of drug abuse. I've seen it happen first hand on more then one occasion. This has nothing to do with the FDA looking out for our health and everything to do with benefiting pharmacutical companies. We can clone animals but we can't create a safer pain killer? Something isn't right here. I don't think that heroin should be legal, don't get the wrong idea, just to say that healthcare in the US isn't about helping patients so much as it's about helping business make more money.
After about a decade of dealing with a sustained injury the most obviouse thing I've found is that most of the healthcare in this country isn't about getting you better, but ensuring you continue to come back. It's all about money.
I will however say that anyone that thinks healthcare in the US is fine is completely off thier rocker.
You are correct, the government is too involved.
Actually I don't think government is involved enough, and the involvment they do have is motivated by greed. Healthcare should be provided to us through our tax dollars and it's number one goal should be to provide care and treatment that is aimed at FIXING the problem, not treating the symptoms. Our government spends billions fighting a drug war that every year they are losing worse and worse. Imagine if they took that money and instituted national healthcare, oh wait, you can't make money that way.
You can save cash on sub 30k a year? Not in my state.
Yes you can. I lived off of far less than that and saved for a decade you can too... move somewhere with a lower cost of living. At 22 I realized I was not going anywhere in life, I got an entry level job working in the middle of the night doing manual labor.. made about $150 a week.. with no collage education I have moved up the chain in that same company and pull in far more $. It takes strong willpower, and dedication to control yourself and not keep up with your neighbors lifestyle but I know for a fact it can be done...
You have to know me to understand my opinion of money. I care little for it and have no desire to be wealthy. A friend of mine tells me that I'm a socialist. Maybe I am. I disaprove of the way our country is run and how our government is set up. Saving to me isn't about setting aside 50 dollars a month for 10 years. That sort of saving becomes just about pointless the more the economy crumbles and currency nose dives into obsolete. A few months worth of saving becomes wasted the moment your car breaks down, and if you don't live in area with adiquate public transportation then being without a vehicle becomes a serious problem. I have no desire to own a home, at just a hair shy of 32 I'm farely certian I don't want kids; so I don't really see the point of accumulating wealth or material possesions that will do me no good when I die, I can't take a house or a bently with me. This doesn't mean I have to willpower or dedication; I'm incredibly willfull and extremely dedicated to the things I find worthwhile in life. I'm very simple, and the things I desire I'm happy to work for, in fact I take pride in knowing that I've earned everything in my life, I've never been handed a thing; I have earned what I have and am happy with them. I also VERY STRONGLY believe that certian things are entitled to us; healthcare is one of them.
The funny thing is, I have health insurance. I have to drive an hour and a half to find a doctor that eccepts it, then I have to get a lawyer to get the insurance company to pay the bill.
But you'll probably tell me that insurance has nothing to do with healthcare in the US.
Find a job that provides health insurance, or at least helps mitigate the cost.
I have a job that provides health insurance. It's provide through our union, of wich I'm the shop steward. Having insurance doesn't mean having good insurance and more people in this country have no insurance and bad insurance then have good. Having insurance doesn't even guarantee the bills get paid. I have to have a lawyer call the group that handles mine just to get them to pay the bills, and my credit is still destroyed because of it. There's a problem there.
Just because you haven't had to suffer through misfortune doesn't mean everything is ok. It means your ignorant to how things really work.
Simply because one has never lived through another persons misfortune does not make them ignorant... that comment is ignorant.
To believe that everything is ok and fine with the status quo because everything is ok and fine with you is truelly ingnorance though. In case you missed it more people in this country go without health insurance or adiquate healthcare then go with. This is a problem. Just because you have good insurance and are able to get good treatment doesn't mean that the magority of people that aren't are doing something wrong, it means your fortunate enough to not have to deal with those problems. People either don't see, or simply refuse to except that there is a serious healthcare problem in this country and are a little to comfortable making excuses for a failed system. It isn't working; it hasn't been for a very long time. How many elections are you people going to vote in and listen to candidates every four years say the same thing, they'll fix healthcare, and not a single one does a thing to help, yet no one is alarmed. If every presidential election every candidate says they will fix it, why isn't it fixed? If it's not broken why do they say they will fix it? How many elections before more people get fed up and DEMAND it get fixed or at the very least admit that there is an obvious problem here. This is just assinine stupidity to think that it's ok when every election they keep touting that they got the fix. Wake up!
Now you tell me.
How do you pay 20+ thousand in medical bills that are the result of SOMEONE ELSES ACTIONS, when the bills amount to as much as you make each year and you still have to survive. I get the shit end of the stick because the guy that did this to me had more money to hire a better lawyer, and that's not OK!
I'm surprised you didn't have ambulance chasers knocking your door down to take your case for free... I was rear ended by a truck a few years back and shortly after that the lawyers came out of the wood work... apparently they monitor traffic reports.
My state is one that took measures to try and halt frivolous lawsuits. Since there is no visable injury and I was only 20 at the time no one was taking it serious. Even my lawyer said that I could spend the next 7 years going through a trial and still only end up getting what I got only less because the lawyer fees would have grown.
To be exact. I walked away with 4 thousand awarded to me, and my medical bills paid. The doctors that worked on me agreed to cut thier bills IN HALF because the settlement wasn't going to be enough to pay them and award me anything. They felt bad for me. Even the doctors knew I was being dicked over. If I had a scar I could have got twice what I got. An effing scare! Never mind the report that stated a degenerative nerve condition as the result of trauma to the spine and muscles in my back caused by the accident. Two years I spent dealing with lawyers and insurance companies.
To further boot. When I called my insurance company and told them I was in an accident, without hesitation the reps says, "you don't have insurance with us" 2 days later I got a refund check. Unfortunetly for me, being in need of the money I cashed the check. If I hadn't I could have sued them. I didn't know this untill my lawyer told me. Insurance, like our nations healthcare isn't there to help us, it's there to make someone money.
But since you mention taxes. Why is that my quality of life continually goes down and yet I keep paying more and more in taxes? No where in the constitution does it say that I must earn x amount of dollars each year to live confortably under this government.
Someone has to support the welfare state, why are you different? I sure did enjoy those checks Bush had the IRS rebate back to me.
And those checks did NOTHING to help us or the economy. NOTHING. Yet we were all happy to recieve them, happy to cash them, happy to spend them. Even me. The guys running our country aren't stupid. At the same time they mailed us our checks the federal reserve rolled HALF A TRILLION dollars to keeps PRIVATE BUSINESSES front failing. Our government can't provide healthcare for us but they can roll of hundreds of billions of dollars to aid private businesses? There's a really big problem there.
Our government is not working for us, we're working for our government. That's a problem.
And in case some of you haven't figure it out yet, this isn't a democratic government. In a democratic one the people elect the president and as I recall the people voted for Gore; not Bush.
The OP is right, were not free. Free countries don't institute drafts, or put a man in charge the people didn't want for president. Nor are we free as long as our government continues to mismanage our taxes.
You are not free when you have to pay for all of your freedoms.
But it's cool. I got a bottle of legal heroin purchased with my crappy insurance and prescribed to me by my private hospital. I don't have to worry about my pain or my government if I'm stoned out of my mind, and yeah, there's a problem here.
Edit: Sorry for the gross spelling errors. I'm to groggy to fix them and there's simply to many.
The government controls our nuclear stockpiles and the Federal Reserve. So before you all go worrying about the government controlling healthcare, you should try to figure out how to get nukes out of the hands of our incompetent government. Maybe none of our government programs have been an outright sucess, but saving lives through healthcare and preventing crime through education oughta count for something. Healthcare and education lean more towards sucess than failure. Saving people's lives and preventing crime, that's some of the benefits of my tax dollars, even if none of the government spending is an outright sucess.
Love is the answer, and you know that for sure.
War is over if you want it.
I don't believe in killing, whatever the reason.
If everyone demanded peace
instead of another television set,
then there'd be peace.
If someone thinks that love and peace is a cliche
that must have been left behind in the Sixties, that's his problem.
Love and peace are eternal.
-John Lennon
Honestly Thrakk, I trust our government with nukes more then I trust them with my tax dollars. They've only used them once since they invented them; yet they have yet to manage our taxes adiquately.
After all, 20 years ago our deficet was just topping a billion, now it's in the trillions.
BTW, it's not the weapons you know about that you should be scared of, it's the ones you don't know about that should be scaring the shit out of you. If you really think that nukes are the scarey weapons then you should use your imagination. When developing a weapon it's not about what can you make it's about what can you imagine. If you can think it, you can make it.
Except it didn't take me all day to make some stupid picture.
When was the last time you saw a McCain ad that wasn't an attack ad on Obama? When can he have ads about his own stances?
You forget that the deficit increases when people pay less taxes: How else do we pay off the national debt? With money we borrow from communist China? The national debt is a collective debt of every single person in the USA.
Frankly, Im scared that McCain will start World War 3 with material gains as his second war objective.
You forget that the deficit increases when people pay less taxes: How else do we pay off the national debt? With money we borrow from communist China? The national debt is a collective debt of every single person in the USA.
Frankly, Im scared that McCain will start World War 3 with material gains as his second war objective.
Funny, I though the deficet increased when governments do things like borrow money from banks for things like wars, or from borrowing from other countries, or by printing a half a trillion dollars in fresh currency and steam rolling inflation making our dollar less valued.
I had no idea that I was actually increasing the national debt by paying my taxes every year. Interesting.
How exactly does a country spending money they don't have equate to a collective debt created by people paying less taxes? When exactly did the government give us billions in tax relief? I must be paying my taxes wrong.
I do not wish any form of socialism! None!
Maybe in anothe life you will know how it is to be poor. And you will certainly know how it is to be old. Maybe we should ask you then.
No we are not free, because there are more people wanting the govt to do more and willing to sign away their freedoms for an extra dollar.
if you want to do that fine , but dont expect me to want to pay that dollar , or to be happy that I lost a freedom so you could have a dollar.
That pretty much sums it up , "I dont live as well as someone else ( for whatever reason) so as my govt you should take from them and give it to me!"
Yeah thats a great policy that will encourage people to sacrifice and work be successful. Idiocracy here we come.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
I quit arguing politics on mmorpg.com, FOR GOOD. Too much ignorance and too many stubborn folk.
Remember that in an earlier poll, here in the off-topic discussion, the results showed Obama as the winner. As long as the election isn't rigged I bet Obama will be the winner. He's up on the polls (as usual). So, the Obama haters are just going to have to suck it up or move to Canada when he becomes president (LOL).
I do not wish any form of socialism! None!
Maybe in anothe life you will know how it is to be poor. And you will certainly know how it is to be old. Maybe we should ask you then.
You have your Socialism in your Country, aren't you happy enough? Why would you care what Teala wants for her Country. Maybe she was poor and got an education and a better job. Maybe when she's old she will have saved up for her retirement.
or they will do what htey did last time. The US population started deciding it wanted handouts instead of oppurtunity.
Stop spending their money.
It took a world war to make the people with money to spend it again. So yeah vote in a guy promising to repeat history. that makes even more sense. im sure a republican will get blamed for it. Democrats today almost make me want to actually register rebublican for the 1st time in my life.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
I do not wish any form of socialism! None!
Maybe in anothe life you will know how it is to be poor. And you will certainly know how it is to be old. Maybe we should ask you then.
You have your Socialism in your Country, aren't you happy enough? Why would you care what Teala wants for her Country. Maybe she was poor and got an education and a better job. Maybe when she's old she will have saved up for her retirement.
Maybe the republican presidents will continue to ruin social security for us! I'm surprised they get away with it. woooo I'm done.
or maybe the democrat comgress (which actually does/did that not the president he cant , no president can, its congress' job) will.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Social security didnt start getting screwed by the democratic congress LOL. Get a timeline. Learn more about Bush's economics. Then come back and B.S. your next answer like you probably will.
Yeah, your Social Security has been raped by every politician since its inception. They use the money from it to buy votes and threaten to take it away to scare the old people. Anyone who thinks they will retire on SS is mis-informed.
i didnt blame only congress like you only blamed the president. dont try to turn it into something else.
Screw it lets turn it into somethign else. You want to say its only the president...
his economics have nothing to do with him "stealing" it( thats my point not his policy hasnt huirt it , not his policy hasnt helped etc..) , you said he stole it , he cant congress does the budgeting always has in our entire history. Its part of their job but i guess the powers granted to the office of the president are just BS. If you think that SS was fine until it was turned unprofitable by congress becaseu the avg american beleives that anything turning as profit is/has to be evil and preying on the unfortunate.
Here is a decent article about myths beleives by the avg Us citizen
http://www.heritage.org/research/socialsecurity/BG1467.cfm
but since that source is biased many will beleive the paper is too , its actually pretty good.
oh here is the place that actually handles any thing done to SS .. notice the president cant do anything at all ...
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=3650&type=0
govt website .. Congressional Budgetarty Offices ( not presidential ,yet somehow its a republicansa fault when its a democratic congress)
And Here si a nice paper as to why SS is really messed up from the people who have the real ingfo not some media only generated beleif
http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2008/0407_budget_frenzel_haskins.aspx
By the way its conclusion is that by 2018 SS will require the entire GNP of the united staes because its broken, because of the way it works and draws funds, not because someone "stole from it" because in reality there is nothnig to steal, there isnt a single cent in ANY SS fund in our government , nothing , zip, zero.
Here is a paper confiriming this that was published in 2002( years before that one) as a result of The Clinton administration's policy ( yes this is a govt website ) So now you have to either blame the current issue on Clinton since he was president when it started or accept that maybe you might have been blinded by ignorace and bought into what the mediahas feed to sheep:
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=5530&type=0
So only an person willing to ignore reality ,to blindy parrot what biased a media wants and desire ( read sheep) would place blame squarely on the shoulders of 1 person.
I advise you to learn how the real US govt works , how transactions/economics at that level of $ work , and face that pretty much you have been fooled into thinking that 1 person (a president) can affect so much ( esp when their power prohibits them from doint anything more than asking pretty please).
there thats several timelines ... from the office that DOES the job , you know congress.
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