I can't find a class i'm having fun with because they're all boringgggggggggggg. I play WOW and they're all really fun and different to play but then I get into WAR and alot of the classes just play the same. ... I just want something new and not the same old same old buggy level/class based mmorpg.
why are you STILL playing WOW if you are tired of level / class based mmorpgs?
It's just a matter of preference. Obviously the majority of the players like it. Even at Warhammer Alliance 90% of the ones bringing up issues have stated over and over that they are still buying the game. Most of the issues are easily fixable and when you compare this beta to any other beta ever it is one of the best. The combat, pvp, and pve are fun for the vast majority, but your opinion is fine. Not every game is for everyone.
It's just a matter of preference. Obviously the majority of the players like it. Even at Warhammer Alliance 90% of the ones bringing up issues have stated over and over that they are still buying the game. Most of the issues are easily fixable and when you compare this beta to any other beta ever it is one of the best. The combat, pvp, and pve are fun for the vast majority, but your opinion is fine. Not every game is for everyone.
I agree. The review in the OP doesn't strike me like the AoC or Vanguard reviews, which revealed some flaws that made the game suck, it just shows the OP isn't a big fan of RvR, and if the OP did play DAoC he didn't like it, or wouldn't have liked it had he played it.
I loved DaoC, and nothing in the original post here sounds particularly damning to me.
One thing I noticed about mmorpg.com is it's full of fanbois and haters that you can't trust, even the warhammer alliance website is full of threads of people pointing out the many flaws of the game, yet mmorpg.com everything is apparently all roses and you'll be flamed if you say otherwise. Well, if you suggest that every person who likes the game a fanboi, then you are sure going to classify the majority of the current forum population as fanboi's. Now WAR isn't a horrible game but it has too many flaws tor ecommend and it feels very much like a clone of everyother mmorpg out there. It's very clear to see what they looked at when making this game and thats WOW. No WOW didn't invent the genre but it perfected all the mechanics and became popular because it was sooo easy to get into. So if you've played WOW then you'll know esactly how WAR plays because they play pretty much the same. The problem with this though is WOW is more polished and has far more content to play through. So you ask the question "why am I playing WAR?" and to me I don't know why you'd choose WAR atm. Hmm, If you prefer WoW, then why are you trying WAR? I know personally i'm a pvp nut and WAR is far better of a fit.
Theres tons of bugs in the game and yeah the game is just about to be released but when you launch a buggy half assed game and try to compete with another mmorpg thats soooo polished and complete then I don't see how you can win. I have lots of CTD constantly and they're happening to everyone, I don't use Vista but all the people using XP atleast are having problems. Theres lots of getting stuck on objects in the world and it's very annoying using /stuck which then makes you log out. BUGS!?! Its a beta. Surprise, the game is currently in development, with new content being added, of course there are bugs. Infact that 'free game time' that you have been enjoying, is so that you can report feedback and help track down bugs. The CTD is annoying but has gotten better over the weekend, and i suspect as they start doing more stress tests, they can fix the CTD and latency issues. Finally the /stuck has a built in bug reporter; yes it's annoying to log out to /stuck, but it sends the location you got stuck in back to the developer's so they can fix the issue.
The graphics are lacking, I mean the textures are just sooo bland and horrible and just really low detailed right now. You can see all the pointy bits in objects and on the ground because the game has sucha small polygon count. Theres no real atmosphere in the game too and for me I want the art style to look like the CG trailers because that's badass and instead we get a bland ugly looking WOW. Someone beat me to this, the game is locked at the lowest settings. Ever wonder why some of the pics you see of WAR are so beautiful when your graphic's are mediocre? It's because the pic's come from an unlocked client.
The combat in the game is slow and sluggish and just not fun at all to use. I can't find a class i'm having fun with because they're all boringgggggggggggg. I play WOW and they're all really fun and different to play but then I get into WAR and alot of the classes just play the same. The only difference between most of the tanks is the skills have a different name, but they all do the same thing just mixed around differently. You have a good point here. Combat is slower then WoW pvp, but classes are not boring. Perhaps there isn't a class that captures your imagination. I'm sorry, since I know i had the same problem with AoC.
While the Combat may be slower then WoW, the benefit is that it isn't a button mash, and the infamous strafing attack only is beneficial for 2 classes (witch elves/witchhunters). Slower combat means that skill really outweighs gear. Any person can start spamming skills, but the strategic use of certain skills in the initial strikes can really turn a fight for a person/group. The PVE is soooooooo easy I mean for most the game it's the average boring "kill 5 of these" and come back quests that you can run into and not have a fear of dying because you can own like 10 mobs at a time and if you're about to die then you just run away easily and even if you do die then theres no death penatly. If you want PVE then don't play this game because it has nothing to offer you anywhere near the competition of other mmorpgs and public quests wont be enough to keep you playing cause ocne you've done one, then you've done them all. This is my largest point in contention with all your points. PVE is easy... in the beta. The experience gained is increased so that players can reach the higher tiers with little effort so they can test the high end content. When you level as quick as you do in beta of course you can take 10 mobs 3 levels or more below you. Hell, i never have to even level in the second half T1, i just skip it and move to T2 since the exp is so strong i out level the whole area.
The PVP which is meant to be the highlight of the game just ends up being very crap for me because the combat system and the unfun classes just ruin all fun of combat. Also collision detection is very annoying and constantly gets in the way, you'll often walk into team mate sor get stuck ina crowded keep or have some twats block you way up the stairs. The battleground type things are just like AB in WOW and they get boring very fast and so do keeps. Imagine Planetside and capturing the same bse over and over again.......... well in WAR it's like Planetside but without fun combat and lots more bugs and ranged classes owning everything in mass PVP. Well, the collision problem with sticking to your realm-mate was annoying, but has been fixed somewhat. It still happens but is being worked on by the developers. AS for the getting stuck and not able to get around your realm-mates in a keep... that is working as intended. There are meant to be choke points. The best time i had was on my Ironbreaker with a guildmate on his. Destruction took the front door, and me and my mate blocked the doorway long enough to cause a stall in the siege since we built a choke point. Our casters could then focus on the players that were trying to get by us without worrying about getting ganked.
I know I'm going to get flamed but the game is tooo easy, too linear and too boring. I've played this mmorpg lots of times before and I just want something new and not the same old same old buggy level/class based mmorpg. If you want to understand how linear the game is then look at the world map because you follow a set path from levels 1 - 40 all the way through like a fucking big long road. Aye firstly, thanks for the points. So to answer your last point: the game is meant to be linear to a point. You do have to progress through levels, and why would you want to have to search for new area's to fight in. The benefit is that the game has 1-40 level content for each race. That means that there is 3 different area's to fight in any point you are leveling, per realm. Please don't believe the hype it's just another WOW that we all got bored of years ago. Hype. Hmmm, well as a WoW hater, i could just irrationally flame, but honestly WoW did alot of things right. It also borrowed things that were perfected from other games. Why shouldn't games evolve. WAR is a fantasy MMO. It has to have the level based progression, it needs to have the magic/healing/tank/melee classes we all expect and it has to stay as close to the IP as gamesworkshop demands. So yes it will have similar races as WoW (though this is a huge point in contention since many believe WoW borrowed from gamesworkshop originally)
One thing I noticed about mmorpg.com is it's full of fanbois and haters that you can't trust, even the warhammer alliance website is full of threads of people pointing out the many flaws of the game, yet mmorpg.com everything is apparently all roses and you'll be flamed if you say otherwise.
I think every reasoning person here has known this. Nice slam dunk.
One thing I noticed about mmorpg.com is it's full of fanbois and haters that you can't trust, even the warhammer alliance website is full of threads of people pointing out the many flaws of the game, yet mmorpg.com everything is apparently all roses and you'll be flamed if you say otherwise.
I think every reasoning person here has known this. Nice slam dunk.
Disagree with OP and you're just a fanboy, and not trustworthy. You heard it here first, folks.
Originally posted by PapaLazarou Now WAR isn't a horrible game but it has too many flaws tor ecommend and it feels very much like a clone of everyother mmorpg out there. It's very clear to see what they looked at when making this game and thats WOW. No WOW didn't invent the genre but it perfected all the mechanics and became popular because it was sooo easy to get into. So if you've played WOW then you'll know esactly how WAR plays because they play pretty much the same. The problem with this though is WOW is more polished and has far more content to play through. So you ask the question "why am I playing WAR?" and to me I don't know why you'd choose WAR atm. Because you want to RvR and not Raid 24/7? WoW is a great PvE game. WAR really isn't. It has the foundations to be a great PvE game, but that's definitely not the focus. If you really like WoW, you might not like WAR, just because it really (in the end) is a very different game. Theres tons of bugs in the game and yeah the game is just about to be released but when you launch a buggy half assed game and try to compete with another mmorpg thats soooo polished and complete then I don't see how you can win. I have lots of CTD constantly and they're happening to everyone, I don't use Vista but all the people using XP atleast are having problems. Theres lots of getting stuck on objects in the world and it's very annoying using /stuck which then makes you log out. The CTD's are a pain, but Mythic has been working on them. I assume you're a CE preorder beta tester? The CTD's are a fairly new issue (iirc, they were 'introduced' in 3.3), and there's a pretty extensive thread on the beta forums that Mythic is using for feedback on resolving the issue in the next patch (3.4). The graphics are lacking, I mean the textures are just sooo bland and horrible and just really low detailed right now. You can see all the pointy bits in objects and on the ground because the game has sucha small polygon count. Theres no real atmosphere in the game too and for me I want the art style to look like the CG trailers because that's badass and instead we get a bland ugly looking WOW. Please, please, please, please do a little bit of reading. The graphics are currently locked in the absolute LOWEST setting so us testers can test. Give it a bit to shine, find a few of the high-res videos showcasing more of the new lighting/higher res textures. It's very nice! The combat in the game is slow and sluggish and just not fun at all to use. I can't find a class i'm having fun with because they're all boringgggggggggggg. I play WOW and they're all really fun and different to play but then I get into WAR and alot of the classes just play the same. The only difference between most of the tanks is the skills have a different name, but they all do the same thing just mixed around differently. I still don't understand this complaint? What about the combat do you feel is slow and sluggish? The UI response time? That was a latency bug, and it got fixed over the weekend.
The animations? Mythic still has frames to add, wait until the final graphics are released. The PVE is soooooooo easy I mean for most the game it's the average boring "kill 5 of these" and come back quests that you can run into and not have a fear of dying because you can own like 10 mobs at a time and if you're about to die then you just run away easily and even if you do die then theres no death penatly. If you want PVE then don't play this game because it has nothing to offer you anywhere near the competition of other mmorpgs and public quests wont be enough to keep you playing cause ocne you've done one, then you've done them all. It's easy, yes. It's also a ton of fun, imo. Sorry, what I said earlier was a tad harsh. The PvE is great, and there is tons and tons of PvE content. It's just that at later/end game RvR will be the main focus of the majority of players. Unlike WoW.
The PVP which is meant to be the highlight of the game just ends up being very crap for me because the combat system and the unfun classes just ruin all fun of combat. Also collision detection is very annoying and constantly gets in the way, you'll often walk into team mate sor get stuck ina crowded keep or have some twats block you way up the stairs. The battleground type things are just like AB in WOW and they get boring very fast and so do keeps. Imagine Planetside and capturing the same bse over and over again.......... well in WAR it's like Planetside but without fun combat and lots more bugs and ranged classes owning everything in mass PVP. The friendly collision dectection was just fixed like, last night in a hotfix... It was annoying while it lasted... But... :?
I know I'm going to get flamed but the game is tooo easy, too linear and too boring. I've played this mmorpg lots of times before and I just want something new and not the same old same old buggy level/class based mmorpg. If you want to understand how linear the game is then look at the world map because you follow a set path from levels 1 - 40 all the way through like a fucking big long road.
Please don't believe the hype it's just another WOW that we all got bored of years ago.
I'm getting the feeling that you've barely played the game. I don't want to sound rude, but (at least as it appears) try getting a bit more of a feel for the game. It's still in beta (though very close to release, yay!), and there are going to be tweaks up until release. You also see to be coming at this from a PvE'rs perspective, which... Probably isn't the best way to come at this game... :
EDIT: I didn't mean to come across as WAR having no PvE content. It has loads of it. It's just that, towards higher levels, RvR will be the focus. Not the industry standard
You guys keep saying it's still in beta. Yeah it's been in beta for years now you really think people believe much will change in less than a month?
I am going to flame the OP. He is a fanboy of WoW or a hater of WAR however you wanna look at it. Most of you know I'm a fanboy of WAR but I am more than willing to talk about its faults. I'm tired of posting on other forums so if you have questions or concerns pm me and I will be as honest as I can be. To the OP though. You say your not a hater or fanboy of WAR but your post reaks of hate. Not only is it clear you havent been around for a single MMO launch but most of your post is flat out lies or your opinion trying to pass it off as truth. For one, the biggest glaring point was calling the classes boring/dull. PLEASE. The classes in WAR as some of the most fun classes I have ever seen in an MMO (this is of course my opinion, but seems to be the opinion of nearly everyone I talked to in general chat in the last week). Class mechanics are new and keep you on your toes. Anyway. If you have some questions that just dont seem to be getting awnsered PM me. I wont be posting much else on these forums because the OP did make a valid point. These forums are full of both haters and fanboys talking up or down about the game and the truth is somewhere in the middle. The game has flaws and I have no problem discussing thoes. The game also has some verry good selling points and I would be more than willing to duscuss thoes to anyone interested though PM but not here where every post is going to turn into a flame war and the topic gets lost after a couple posts.
???? The OP voiced his objections to the game publicly, why can't you counter them publicly? Bizarre. I mean the OP's being accused of not being detailed enough yet this is as vague as it gets. "What do you mean? No, the classes aren't boring"
Well it is still in beta. Things change from beta to release.
That's not what i'm saying though. What most people are saying is that it is a great game in it's current state. Most of the people playing it are having fun. I'm sorry if you aren't but maybe WotLK will be better for you? Since it is based on a game that's been out for years on end. This is one of the most polished MMO betas i've been a part of.
Originally posted by PapaLazarou Now WAR isn't a horrible game but it has too many flaws tor ecommend and it feels very much like a clone of everyother mmorpg out there. It's very clear to see what they looked at when making this game and thats WOW. No WOW didn't invent the genre but it perfected all the mechanics and became popular because it was sooo easy to get into. So if you've played WOW then you'll know esactly how WAR plays because they play pretty much the same. The problem with this though is WOW is more polished and has far more content to play through. So you ask the question "why am I playing WAR?" and to me I don't know why you'd choose WAR atm. Because you want to RvR and not Raid 24/7? WoW is a great PvE game. WAR really isn't. It has the foundations to be a great PvE game, but that's definitely not the focus. If you really like WoW, you might not like WAR, just because it really (in the end) is a very different game. Theres tons of bugs in the game and yeah the game is just about to be released but when you launch a buggy half assed game and try to compete with another mmorpg thats soooo polished and complete then I don't see how you can win. I have lots of CTD constantly and they're happening to everyone, I don't use Vista but all the people using XP atleast are having problems. Theres lots of getting stuck on objects in the world and it's very annoying using /stuck which then makes you log out. The CTD's are a pain, but Mythic has been working on them. I assume you're a CE preorder beta tester? The CTD's are a fairly new issue (iirc, they were 'introduced' in 3.3), and there's a pretty extensive thread on the beta forums that Mythic is using for feedback on resolving the issue in the next patch (3.4). The graphics are lacking, I mean the textures are just sooo bland and horrible and just really low detailed right now. You can see all the pointy bits in objects and on the ground because the game has sucha small polygon count. Theres no real atmosphere in the game too and for me I want the art style to look like the CG trailers because that's badass and instead we get a bland ugly looking WOW. Please, please, please, please do a little bit of reading. The graphics are currently locked in the absolute LOWEST setting so us testers can test. Give it a bit to shine, find a few of the high-res videos showcasing more of the new lighting/higher res textures. It's very nice! The combat in the game is slow and sluggish and just not fun at all to use. I can't find a class i'm having fun with because they're all boringgggggggggggg. I play WOW and they're all really fun and different to play but then I get into WAR and alot of the classes just play the same. The only difference between most of the tanks is the skills have a different name, but they all do the same thing just mixed around differently. I still don't understand this complaint? What about the combat do you feel is slow and sluggish? The UI response time? That was a latency bug, and it got fixed over the weekend.
The animations? Mythic still has frames to add, wait until the final graphics are released. The PVE is soooooooo easy I mean for most the game it's the average boring "kill 5 of these" and come back quests that you can run into and not have a fear of dying because you can own like 10 mobs at a time and if you're about to die then you just run away easily and even if you do die then theres no death penatly. If you want PVE then don't play this game because it has nothing to offer you anywhere near the competition of other mmorpgs and public quests wont be enough to keep you playing cause ocne you've done one, then you've done them all. It's easy, yes. It's also a ton of fun, imo. Sorry, what I said earlier was a tad harsh. The PvE is great, and there is tons and tons of PvE content. It's just that at later/end game RvR will be the main focus of the majority of players. Unlike WoW.
The PVP which is meant to be the highlight of the game just ends up being very crap for me because the combat system and the unfun classes just ruin all fun of combat. Also collision detection is very annoying and constantly gets in the way, you'll often walk into team mate sor get stuck ina crowded keep or have some twats block you way up the stairs. The battleground type things are just like AB in WOW and they get boring very fast and so do keeps. Imagine Planetside and capturing the same bse over and over again.......... well in WAR it's like Planetside but without fun combat and lots more bugs and ranged classes owning everything in mass PVP. The friendly collision dectection was just fixed like, last night in a hotfix... It was annoying while it lasted... But... :?
I know I'm going to get flamed but the game is tooo easy, too linear and too boring. I've played this mmorpg lots of times before and I just want something new and not the same old same old buggy level/class based mmorpg. If you want to understand how linear the game is then look at the world map because you follow a set path from levels 1 - 40 all the way through like a fucking big long road.
Please don't believe the hype it's just another WOW that we all got bored of years ago.
I'm getting the feeling that you've barely played the game. I don't want to sound rude, but (at least as it appears) try getting a bit more of a feel for the game. It's still in beta (though very close to release, yay!), and there are going to be tweaks up until release. You also see to be coming at this from a PvE'rs perspective, which... Probably isn't the best way to come at this game... :
EDIT: I didn't mean to come across as WAR having no PvE content. It has loads of it. It's just that, towards higher levels, RvR will be the focus. Not the industry standard
You guys keep saying it's still in beta. Yeah it's been in beta for years now you really think people believe much will change in less than a month?
yeah i bought AOC cause everybody convinced me that stuff was gonna change on release. that this will be in affect when the game release, it's just beta. and the game still ended up like crap. nobody knows for sure, they're just going off what they feel or think. so i'm gonna wait a bit for the game i'm sure to see what comes in the release. and the month following.
Originally posted by greymannI've been called worse.
lol Im sure.
You will be surprised what 200+ people can achieve in a month game play code wise,what you see most definately is not what you get,graphics are disabled and game play tweaks are still in the works.
Does WaR have issues ofcos,but rest assured they are being worked on so don't judge a game based on a work in progress when the final build is released for launch base it off that
No game is perfect especially at launch, people need to relax on their expectations a touch.
WoW Lineage 1 and 2 Meridian 59 RedMoon EvE PS TR Dragon Raja PT RO all buggy POS at launch.I dont get why people think WaR should be held to some higher standard.
And to people saying they were convinced by someone to buy AoC -_- get a life or more importantly an opinion,if you cant make up your own mind theres no hope for ya.
2 days and more of you can make some informed decisions as to whether anot you will play.
One thing I noticed about mmorpg.com is it's full of fanbois and haters that you can't trust, even the warhammer alliance website is full of threads of people pointing out the many flaws of the game, yet mmorpg.com everything is apparently all roses and you'll be flamed if you say otherwise. - You are absolutely right. I see one of the haters in your face. Its too that its the only truth you have spoken - like every other hater I have seen. ...The problem with this though is WOW is more polished and has far more content to play through. - Thats absolute joke. Even now - so many years after release WoW is not much more polsihed nor have much more content than WAR. Even if compareWAR with WoW release he is much more better. ...So you ask the question "why am I playing WAR?" and to me I don't know why you'd choose WAR atm. - Because WAR is what WoW was supposed to be, but blizzard ruined it to catch the masses that even hates MMOs, so they transform MMO with great potential into multiplayer item grdining joke RPG, so everyone can feel himself great. Theres tons of bugs in the game and yeah the game is just about to be released but when you launch a buggy half assed game and try to compete with another mmorpg thats soooo polished and complete then I don't see how you can win. I have lots of CTD constantly and they're happening to everyone, I don't use Vista but all the people using XP atleast are having problems. Theres lots of getting stuck on objects in the world and it's very annoying using /stuck which then makes you log out. - Another joke - up to now I have no one CTD - thats for more than 4 months - from the middle of Beta 2. Even in beta WAR is much more polished than WoW on his release. WAR is more like WoW in his current state - years after release. The graphics are lacking, I mean the textures are just sooo bland and horrible and just really low detailed right now. You can see all the pointy bits in objects and on the ground because the game has sucha small polygon count. Theres no real atmosphere in the game too and for me I want the art style to look like the CG trailers because that's badass and instead we get a bland ugly looking WOW. - How can you talking about a game in beta stage? Every patch graphics is greatly improved. All the time you can see some crap graphics because its not FINISHED! REMEMBER ITS BETA. Thats why the game still is not released!!! The combat in the game is slow and sluggish and just not fun at all to use. I can't find a class i'm having fun with because they're all boringgggggggggggg. I play WOW and they're all really fun and different to play but then I get into WAR and alot of the classes just play the same. The only difference between most of the tanks is the skills have a different name, but they all do the same thing just mixed around differently. The PVE is soooooooo easy I mean for most the game it's the average boring "kill 5 of these" and come back quests that you can run into and not have a fear of dying because you can own like 10 mobs at a time and if you're about to die then you just run away easily and even if you do die then theres no death penatly. If you want PVE then don't play this game because it has nothing to offer you anywhere near the competition of other mmorpgs and public quests wont be enough to keep you playing cause ocne you've done one, then you've done them all. - Again a joke. Again remember that you are talking about a beta! Even most of the quests are similar to other MMORPGs (quests are this way from nearly 10 years) in completed zones quest system is so complex that you can play without getting bored for hours. The PVP which is meant to be the highlight of the game just ends up being very crap for me because the combat system and the unfun classes just ruin all fun of combat. Also collision detection is very annoying and constantly gets in the way, you'll often walk into team mate sor get stuck ina crowded keep or have some twats block you way up the stairs. The battleground type things are just like AB in WOW and they get boring very fast and so do keeps. Imagine Planetside and capturing the same bse over and over again.......... well in WAR it's like Planetside but without fun combat and lots more bugs and ranged classes owning everything in mass PVP. - If not better at least not worst than any other MMORPG. At least there is world PvP.
I know I'm going to get flamed but the game is tooo easy, too linear and too boring. I've played this mmorpg lots of times before and I just want something new and not the same old same old buggy level/class based mmorpg. If you want to understand how linear the game is then look at the world map because you follow a set path from levels 1 - 40 all the way through like a fucking big long road. - Its what most ppls like - a relaxing game similar genre like to WoW. It look like you prefer sandbox gameplay - me too, but WAR is not a sandbox.
Please don't believe the hype it's just another WOW that we all got bored of years ago. - Its like to say Unreal is another Quake. Yes they are similar genres in MMORPGs but they are completely different games in term of feeling, graphics and gameplay.
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration ______\m/_____ LordOfDarkDesire
Originally posted by greymannI've been called worse.
lol Im sure.
You will be surprised what 200+ people can achieve in a month game play code wise,what you see most definately is not what you get,graphics are disabled and game play tweaks are still in the works.
Does WaR have issues ofcos,but rest assured they are being worked on so don't judge a game based on a work in progress when the final build is released for launch base it off that
No game is perfect especially at launch, people need to relax on their expectations a touch.
WoW Lineage 1 and 2 Meridian 59 RedMoon EvE PS TR Dragon Raja PT RO all buggy POS at launch.I dont get why people think WaR should be held to some higher standard.
Yeah well you would be surprised at how much a team that big can't fix either; look, every time you draw a parallel between this game and AoC you're opening the door for all kinds of hate and criticism. It's really best to just stick to the facts of how the game exists now and let people make up their own minds about what that means, rather than argue about what it may or may not end up being.
I have been in WAR beta for almost a year now, I will list some of the items that are broken or buggy. Keep in mind even with the items I am STILL going to buy the game.
The inventory Paper Doll does odd things with certain equipments. Either it turns sideways or looks like your riding an invisible mount.
Fall damage is bugged. You are better off jumping down a long distance than you would be to just fall. It seems as though fall damage is calculated on the time it takes to hit the ground. When you just fall from a high place it takes your character a while to reach full fall speed where if you jump your reach max fall speed from the start. (I know it sounds odd but thats how it works)
Getting stuck in the environment is very common. Do not jump on fences, lamp posts, carts, chairs, tables, or anything of that manor or you are more than likely going to be stuck.
There are a few movement bugs that need to be fixed or they give a player the upper hand in an RvR situation. One of them is possible on land, the other in water. I will not go into detail of how to do these.
There are still no graphic settings in game, only those to change shadows and lighting and some minor spell effect changes. There are no options for clip plane and this is why some of the environment shots are bland.
Crashing to desktop was never an issue for me, though when it does happen it is mostly due to a memory leak within the game that if played for excessive amounts of time the game will eventually crash. The playtime seems to be around four hours or greater.
Server stability is another issue. Zones randomly crash in game, however, this has lessened greatly.
Another issue with server side problems is ability lag. Every once in a while the server will fall out of sync with the abilities being used and you will get an error saying "the ability is not ready" and it will rest the refresh timer. This again has been greatly reduced.
Collision detection does have a few problems where you can become stuck on people or stuck inside of them. Generally if you jump around and continue moving you will be set free. Collision detection is a great thing to have in PvP as you can block other PCs from running away, but they can also do the same to you.
There are a lot of character clipping issues most of which involve cloaks and weapons.
I think I covered most of the problems I can thing of now. If I do remember some others I will come back and repost. Now you can't say I am lying about the game and covering up the problems.
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Originally posted by greymannI've been called worse.
And to people saying they were convinced by someone to buy AoC -_- get a life or more importantly an opinion,if you cant make up your own mind theres no hope for ya.
lol get a life? you're an idiot, you're sitting on the forums just like anybody else. guess you don't have a life either. hard to form an opinion when you aren't in beta, not everybody gets in. so when you hear feedback from beta testers saying oh it'll be in there on release just wait. you go off of that. and yes i know all games are different, but i'm still gonna wait before i spend another $50 on a game that's not complete.
As i read these posts.....can someone answer a question for me.......
WHAT MMO GAME HAS COME OUT THAT HAS BEEN PERFECT?
ANSWER- NONE!!!
If you like the game great if you dont, you simply dont. Its about your individual tastes and what you like. If you try to please everyone you end up pleaseing no one!!!!!
Remember this game is in beta and there is stuff they havent released yet, so keep that in mind.
Personally i like what I see in the beta and cant wait for the release!
Played : WOW, LOTRO, COH/COV, EQ2, SWG, and WAR. Playing EVE Online and AOC. Wtg for SW:TOR and WOD
"This game isn't as good as EVERYONE says. Listen to me I am the 1 voice of reason."
The game won't be for everyone. No one game will ever be. Sure it has bugs. But it is still in beta and to be honest I have seen too many game breaking things. Mildly irritating at most. I have not had one single CTD since I started playing. You can't really comment on the graphics as they aren't really in yet. The most I can do is change resolution. Even with that I don't think they're horrible. I'd sacrifice graphics for fun gameplay.
Honestly if you're in this for PvE, it might not be as fun. That part of the game has been in every game to come out before it. The game was built around RvR and I think they've made that part different enough that it feels fresh to me. I admit I wasn't too impressed until I started doing PQ and RvR.
And before anyone wants to call me a fanboy. I wasn't a fan of Warhammer in any way. I admit I know squat about it. Just some basic stuff. I also wasn't a diehard, follow every word released about this game either. I don't have time to rabid over games anymore. Hell I thought about cancelling my pre-order as close as two months ago. I am just a guy that has played just about every mmo to come out since UO and have felt lost in a sea of crap for many years. To me this game has been a breath of fresh air. Note: I did not say perfect.
is it for everyone? Probably not. I am sure Mythic is aware of that fact. I am sure the marketing team has considered the fact that possibly everyone, but papalazarou thinks it's good. It's a risk they'll have to take. But for many it's going to be fun and what we'll play. Nobody is going to make any of you play it if you don't want. But after reading some threads on this boards I see people comparing this to AoC or WoW. Please stop, this game is neither. It will have a better release than AoC did. What seperates it is this is actually fun despite some of the bugs and what-not. AoC was fun for about 2 hours. Mythic, even though they can't please all of you, have poured their heart into this game and it shows. Where a company like funcom had to use boobies to sell their game.
And the only thing that seem WoW-like is the graphics. Honestly WoW isn't a game that re-invented the wheel. They only expanded on what came before them. The PvP in WoW pales in comparison to the RvR here. To be honest no game is ever going to reinvent the wheel. It's been done before.
sorry but i do think the game is as good as everyone says it is.most of the bugs are minor or inconsequential. Compare it to AoC. AoC had serious design flaws, major bugs, and whole game systems which do not work. WAR is the exact opposite...some minor bugs, stable design, and everything works.
I have been in WAR beta for almost a year now, I will list some of the items that are broken or buggy. Keep in mind even with the items I am STILL going to buy the game. The inventory Paper Doll does odd things with certain equipments. Either it turns sideways or looks like your riding an invisible mount. Fall damage is bugged. You are better off jumping down a long distance than you would be to just fall. It seems as though fall damage is calculated on the time it takes to hit the ground. When you just fall from a high place it takes your character a while to reach full fall speed where if you jump your reach max fall speed from the start. (I know it sounds odd but thats how it works) Getting stuck in the environment is very common. Do not jump on fences, lamp posts, carts, chairs, tables, or anything of that manor or you are more than likely going to be stuck. There are a few movement bugs that need to be fixed or they give a player the upper hand in an RvR situation. One of them is possible on land, the other in water. I will not go into detail of how to do these. There are still no graphic settings in game, only those to change shadows and lighting and some minor spell effect changes. There are no options for clip plane and this is why some of the environment shots are bland. Crashing to desktop was never an issue for me, though when it does happen it is mostly due to a memory leak within the game that if played for excessive amounts of time the game will eventually crash. The playtime seems to be around four hours or greater. Server stability is another issue. Zones randomly crash in game, however, this has lessened greatly. Another issue with server side problems is ability lag. Every once in a while the server will fall out of sync with the abilities being used and you will get an error saying "the ability is not ready" and it will rest the refresh timer. This again has been greatly reduced. Collision detection does have a few problems where you can become stuck on people or stuck inside of them. Generally if you jump around and continue moving you will be set free. Collision detection is a great thing to have in PvP as you can block other PCs from running away, but they can also do the same to you. There are a lot of character clipping issues most of which involve cloaks and weapons. I think I covered most of the problems I can thing of now. If I do remember some others I will come back and repost. Now you can't say I am lying about the game and covering up the problems.
Holy.... I knew the game still had work to do but there is no way in hell they can even clean up 20% of the issues they have before launch. You didn't even include the features that aren't implemented yet like Talisman Crafting and AH...
This sound like another way too buggy mmo release
Edit : This is Tabula Rasa all over again (for bugs and polish)
I have been in WAR beta for almost a year now, I will list some of the items that are broken or buggy. Keep in mind even with the items I am STILL going to buy the game. The inventory Paper Doll does odd things with certain equipments. Either it turns sideways or looks like your riding an invisible mount. Fall damage is bugged. You are better off jumping down a long distance than you would be to just fall. It seems as though fall damage is calculated on the time it takes to hit the ground. When you just fall from a high place it takes your character a while to reach full fall speed where if you jump your reach max fall speed from the start. (I know it sounds odd but thats how it works) Getting stuck in the environment is very common. Do not jump on fences, lamp posts, carts, chairs, tables, or anything of that manor or you are more than likely going to be stuck. There are a few movement bugs that need to be fixed or they give a player the upper hand in an RvR situation. One of them is possible on land, the other in water. I will not go into detail of how to do these. There are still no graphic settings in game, only those to change shadows and lighting and some minor spell effect changes. There are no options for clip plane and this is why some of the environment shots are bland. Crashing to desktop was never an issue for me, though when it does happen it is mostly due to a memory leak within the game that if played for excessive amounts of time the game will eventually crash. The playtime seems to be around four hours or greater. Server stability is another issue. Zones randomly crash in game, however, this has lessened greatly. Another issue with server side problems is ability lag. Every once in a while the server will fall out of sync with the abilities being used and you will get an error saying "the ability is not ready" and it will rest the refresh timer. This again has been greatly reduced. Collision detection does have a few problems where you can become stuck on people or stuck inside of them. Generally if you jump around and continue moving you will be set free. Collision detection is a great thing to have in PvP as you can block other PCs from running away, but they can also do the same to you. There are a lot of character clipping issues most of which involve cloaks and weapons. I think I covered most of the problems I can thing of now. If I do remember some others I will come back and repost. Now you can't say I am lying about the game and covering up the problems.
Holy.... I knew the game still had work to do but there is no way in hell they can even clean up 20% of the issues they have before launch. You didn't even include the features that aren't implemented yet like Talisman Crafting and AH...
This sound like another way too buggy mmo release
This is why I was pushing for them to delay the game. I argued that a pushback wouldn't hurt the game (the other pushbacks didn't so why would another be different?). So trying to put it out before WotLK launches is what probably led to their decision.
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It has some issues but I don't think it's anywhere near HGL. That was a straight up unfinished game.
You ppl need to chill. It's just a game, no one forces you to play it...
why are you STILL playing WOW if you are tired of level / class based mmorpgs?
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It's just a matter of preference. Obviously the majority of the players like it. Even at Warhammer Alliance 90% of the ones bringing up issues have stated over and over that they are still buying the game. Most of the issues are easily fixable and when you compare this beta to any other beta ever it is one of the best. The combat, pvp, and pve are fun for the vast majority, but your opinion is fine. Not every game is for everyone.
I agree. The review in the OP doesn't strike me like the AoC or Vanguard reviews, which revealed some flaws that made the game suck, it just shows the OP isn't a big fan of RvR, and if the OP did play DAoC he didn't like it, or wouldn't have liked it had he played it.
I loved DaoC, and nothing in the original post here sounds particularly damning to me.
I think every reasoning person here has known this. Nice slam dunk.
I think every reasoning person here has known this. Nice slam dunk.
Disagree with OP and you're just a fanboy, and not trustworthy. You heard it here first, folks.
I'm getting the feeling that you've barely played the game. I don't want to sound rude, but (at least as it appears) try getting a bit more of a feel for the game. It's still in beta (though very close to release, yay!), and there are going to be tweaks up until release. You also see to be coming at this from a PvE'rs perspective, which... Probably isn't the best way to come at this game... :
EDIT: I didn't mean to come across as WAR having no PvE content. It has loads of it. It's just that, towards higher levels, RvR will be the focus. Not the industry standard
You guys keep saying it's still in beta. Yeah it's been in beta for years now you really think people believe much will change in less than a month?
lol Grey your a douche
???? The OP voiced his objections to the game publicly, why can't you counter them publicly? Bizarre. I mean the OP's being accused of not being detailed enough yet this is as vague as it gets. "What do you mean? No, the classes aren't boring"
Well it is still in beta. Things change from beta to release.
That's not what i'm saying though. What most people are saying is that it is a great game in it's current state. Most of the people playing it are having fun. I'm sorry if you aren't but maybe WotLK will be better for you? Since it is based on a game that's been out for years on end. This is one of the most polished MMO betas i've been a part of.
I've been called worse.
I'm getting the feeling that you've barely played the game. I don't want to sound rude, but (at least as it appears) try getting a bit more of a feel for the game. It's still in beta (though very close to release, yay!), and there are going to be tweaks up until release. You also see to be coming at this from a PvE'rs perspective, which... Probably isn't the best way to come at this game... :
EDIT: I didn't mean to come across as WAR having no PvE content. It has loads of it. It's just that, towards higher levels, RvR will be the focus. Not the industry standard
You guys keep saying it's still in beta. Yeah it's been in beta for years now you really think people believe much will change in less than a month?
yeah i bought AOC cause everybody convinced me that stuff was gonna change on release. that this will be in affect when the game release, it's just beta. and the game still ended up like crap. nobody knows for sure, they're just going off what they feel or think. so i'm gonna wait a bit for the game i'm sure to see what comes in the release. and the month following.
lol Im sure.
You will be surprised what 200+ people can achieve in a month game play code wise,what you see most definately is not what you get,graphics are disabled and game play tweaks are still in the works.
Does WaR have issues ofcos,but rest assured they are being worked on so don't judge a game based on a work in progress when the final build is released for launch base it off that
No game is perfect especially at launch, people need to relax on their expectations a touch.
WoW Lineage 1 and 2 Meridian 59 RedMoon EvE PS TR Dragon Raja PT RO all buggy POS at launch.I dont get why people think WaR should be held to some higher standard.
And to people saying they were convinced by someone to buy AoC -_- get a life or more importantly an opinion,if you cant make up your own mind theres no hope for ya.
2 days and more of you can make some informed decisions as to whether anot you will play.
To the OP. I enjoy it, that's all I care about.
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
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lol Im sure.
You will be surprised what 200+ people can achieve in a month game play code wise,what you see most definately is not what you get,graphics are disabled and game play tweaks are still in the works.
Does WaR have issues ofcos,but rest assured they are being worked on so don't judge a game based on a work in progress when the final build is released for launch base it off that
No game is perfect especially at launch, people need to relax on their expectations a touch.
WoW Lineage 1 and 2 Meridian 59 RedMoon EvE PS TR Dragon Raja PT RO all buggy POS at launch.I dont get why people think WaR should be held to some higher standard.
Yeah well you would be surprised at how much a team that big can't fix either; look, every time you draw a parallel between this game and AoC you're opening the door for all kinds of hate and criticism. It's really best to just stick to the facts of how the game exists now and let people make up their own minds about what that means, rather than argue about what it may or may not end up being.
I have been in WAR beta for almost a year now, I will list some of the items that are broken or buggy. Keep in mind even with the items I am STILL going to buy the game.
The inventory Paper Doll does odd things with certain equipments. Either it turns sideways or looks like your riding an invisible mount.
Fall damage is bugged. You are better off jumping down a long distance than you would be to just fall. It seems as though fall damage is calculated on the time it takes to hit the ground. When you just fall from a high place it takes your character a while to reach full fall speed where if you jump your reach max fall speed from the start. (I know it sounds odd but thats how it works)
Getting stuck in the environment is very common. Do not jump on fences, lamp posts, carts, chairs, tables, or anything of that manor or you are more than likely going to be stuck.
There are a few movement bugs that need to be fixed or they give a player the upper hand in an RvR situation. One of them is possible on land, the other in water. I will not go into detail of how to do these.
There are still no graphic settings in game, only those to change shadows and lighting and some minor spell effect changes. There are no options for clip plane and this is why some of the environment shots are bland.
Crashing to desktop was never an issue for me, though when it does happen it is mostly due to a memory leak within the game that if played for excessive amounts of time the game will eventually crash. The playtime seems to be around four hours or greater.
Server stability is another issue. Zones randomly crash in game, however, this has lessened greatly.
Another issue with server side problems is ability lag. Every once in a while the server will fall out of sync with the abilities being used and you will get an error saying "the ability is not ready" and it will rest the refresh timer. This again has been greatly reduced.
Collision detection does have a few problems where you can become stuck on people or stuck inside of them. Generally if you jump around and continue moving you will be set free. Collision detection is a great thing to have in PvP as you can block other PCs from running away, but they can also do the same to you.
There are a lot of character clipping issues most of which involve cloaks and weapons.
I think I covered most of the problems I can thing of now. If I do remember some others I will come back and repost. Now you can't say I am lying about the game and covering up the problems.
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You wouldn't understand
And to people saying they were convinced by someone to buy AoC -_- get a life or more importantly an opinion,if you cant make up your own mind theres no hope for ya.
lol get a life? you're an idiot, you're sitting on the forums just like anybody else. guess you don't have a life either. hard to form an opinion when you aren't in beta, not everybody gets in. so when you hear feedback from beta testers saying oh it'll be in there on release just wait. you go off of that. and yes i know all games are different, but i'm still gonna wait before i spend another $50 on a game that's not complete.
As i read these posts.....can someone answer a question for me.......
WHAT MMO GAME HAS COME OUT THAT HAS BEEN PERFECT?
ANSWER- NONE!!!
If you like the game great if you dont, you simply dont. Its about your individual tastes and what you like. If you try to please everyone you end up pleaseing no one!!!!!
Remember this game is in beta and there is stuff they havent released yet, so keep that in mind.
Personally i like what I see in the beta and cant wait for the release!
Played : WOW, LOTRO, COH/COV, EQ2, SWG, and WAR.
Playing EVE Online and AOC.
Wtg for SW:TOR and WOD
A bit of an egotistical post?
"This game isn't as good as EVERYONE says. Listen to me I am the 1 voice of reason."
The game won't be for everyone. No one game will ever be. Sure it has bugs. But it is still in beta and to be honest I have seen too many game breaking things. Mildly irritating at most. I have not had one single CTD since I started playing. You can't really comment on the graphics as they aren't really in yet. The most I can do is change resolution. Even with that I don't think they're horrible. I'd sacrifice graphics for fun gameplay.
Honestly if you're in this for PvE, it might not be as fun. That part of the game has been in every game to come out before it. The game was built around RvR and I think they've made that part different enough that it feels fresh to me. I admit I wasn't too impressed until I started doing PQ and RvR.
And before anyone wants to call me a fanboy. I wasn't a fan of Warhammer in any way. I admit I know squat about it. Just some basic stuff. I also wasn't a diehard, follow every word released about this game either. I don't have time to rabid over games anymore. Hell I thought about cancelling my pre-order as close as two months ago. I am just a guy that has played just about every mmo to come out since UO and have felt lost in a sea of crap for many years. To me this game has been a breath of fresh air. Note: I did not say perfect.
is it for everyone? Probably not. I am sure Mythic is aware of that fact. I am sure the marketing team has considered the fact that possibly everyone, but papalazarou thinks it's good. It's a risk they'll have to take. But for many it's going to be fun and what we'll play. Nobody is going to make any of you play it if you don't want. But after reading some threads on this boards I see people comparing this to AoC or WoW. Please stop, this game is neither. It will have a better release than AoC did. What seperates it is this is actually fun despite some of the bugs and what-not. AoC was fun for about 2 hours. Mythic, even though they can't please all of you, have poured their heart into this game and it shows. Where a company like funcom had to use boobies to sell their game.
And the only thing that seem WoW-like is the graphics. Honestly WoW isn't a game that re-invented the wheel. They only expanded on what came before them. The PvP in WoW pales in comparison to the RvR here. To be honest no game is ever going to reinvent the wheel. It's been done before.
sorry but i do think the game is as good as everyone says it is.most of the bugs are minor or inconsequential. Compare it to AoC. AoC had serious design flaws, major bugs, and whole game systems which do not work. WAR is the exact opposite...some minor bugs, stable design, and everything works.
Holy.... I knew the game still had work to do but there is no way in hell they can even clean up 20% of the issues they have before launch. You didn't even include the features that aren't implemented yet like Talisman Crafting and AH...
This sound like another way too buggy mmo release
Edit : This is Tabula Rasa all over again
(for bugs and polish)
Holy.... I knew the game still had work to do but there is no way in hell they can even clean up 20% of the issues they have before launch. You didn't even include the features that aren't implemented yet like Talisman Crafting and AH...
This sound like another way too buggy mmo release
This is why I was pushing for them to delay the game. I argued that a pushback wouldn't hurt the game (the other pushbacks didn't so why would another be different?). So trying to put it out before WotLK launches is what probably led to their decision.