Beta tested for awhile now. The game isn t a mass revolutionary game. What it does though is takes good things from other games especially DAOC ( obviously) and makes them WAY better. There is some innovation, but the main thing i found everytime i logged in was i was having FUN!!! Thats all tat matters to me, log in after a shitty day at work and have some fun.
All the things you complain about are exactly whats RIGHT with WAR.
The main point I want to bring up you complained about is collision detection.
The fact you hate it tells me your a WOW hopping bunny who thinks the game should allow you to magically strike opponents from 20 feet away while mashing macros and jump.
Do yourself a favor and play wow and leave the real WAR to a more realistic audience.
Well whatever I’ve read your complaints and i will be flaming you. All you posted was WoW fanboi bs. WoW has been dead and has killed your soul. I don't see how anyone gets pleasure out of wow anymore. I’ve been playing it since opening day and for me im just realizing that wow is pure crap for people at end game. You simply pointed out all the things missing from wow and tried to say WAR isn't doing them right. A game always has bugs and things needed to hammer out. A lot of these threads are bias but that's because of course people have your opinion and those that like WAR. All can pass judgment once retail comes out. From now on just enjoy the ride and have hope that it will be a success, unless you’re looking for it to fail. WOWLOLROFLAWESOME
Those who has some objective criticism,you are the most welcome but to the OP and all the other whiners please have a look at these links as it seems you`ve been leaving under a rock during the last 4 years.
k so i was in closed for a lil didnt get much time to play but from what i saw...
Gameplay is fun for me (white lion) the pq's are just great just walk into an area and do whats required tis great breeds competition too.
Graphics not the best ive seen coming from Aoc they pretty raw but i believe they are locked into low
were still some bugs when i played being unable to equip armour or not regaining health both fixable by relog.
Pet action bars not showing up after death when pet survived. resummon fixes
soo like i said i didnt see much but what i did see was mostly fun the first scenario is interesting if you havent done before for elves (watch out for the flags)
soo peeps make uop you own minds you got PW open beta if you are invited to see if you like.
ps. This ops post is exactly the crap that was on the Aoc forums ignore it and make yur own judgement
One thing I noticed about mmorpg.com is it's full of fanbois and haters that you can't trust, even the warhammer alliance website is full of threads of people pointing out the many flaws of the game, yet mmorpg.com everything is apparently all roses and you'll be flamed if you say otherwise. Now WAR isn't a horrible game but it has too many flaws tor ecommend and it feels very much like a clone of everyother mmorpg out there. It's very clear to see what they looked at when making this game and thats WOW. No WOW didn't invent the genre but it perfected all the mechanics and became popular because it was sooo easy to get into. So if you've played WOW then you'll know esactly how WAR plays because they play pretty much the same. The problem with this though is WOW is more polished and has far more content to play through. So you ask the question "why am I playing WAR?" and to me I don't know why you'd choose WAR atm. Besides some mechanical similarities, WAR plays nothing like WOW. Within the first 10-15 levels it becomes very, very clear this is a completely different game. Your paragraph is a spread of misinformation. WAR also has many features which totally separate it from the MMO pack. The info is out there so I won't write it here. It's no secret. Theres tons of bugs in the game and yeah the game is just about to be released but when you launch a buggy half assed game and try to compete with another mmorpg thats soooo polished and complete then I don't see how you can win. I have lots of CTD constantly and they're happening to everyone, I don't use Vista but all the people using XP atleast are having problems. Theres lots of getting stuck on objects in the world and it's very annoying using /stuck which then makes you log out. There are NOT tons of bugs in the game. There are SOME bugs, none of which are game breaking that I have encountered. The game is stable and CTD aren't very common. Besides that, Mythic is making constant improvements and has been. If you were are all a closed beta tester, you would know this instead of making an offhand statement like this. WAR atm is polished as well as a polished BETA can be. There's still a month to go and they will have even more patches before live. If you have been in any beta process before, you would know this intrinsically. It's standard operating procedure. There are small annoyances, but nothing major or game breaking. The graphics are lacking, I mean the textures are just sooo bland and horrible and just really low detailed right now. You can see all the pointy bits in objects and on the ground because the game has sucha small polygon count. Theres no real atmosphere in the game too and for me I want the art style to look like the CG trailers because that's badass and instead we get a bland ugly looking WOW. The poly count is many times higher than WoW and there is NO WAY any game is comign out with graphics like the CG trailer unless it is a single player game. You clearly have no idea what you're saying. Add to that we do not have final graphics setting yet and this whole discussion is completely moot. The graphics, if you force AA, is a hybrid of WoW + LOTRO but is closer to LOTRO, albeit more stylised. It certainly is many times BETTER than WoW graphics even if you do prefer WoW graphics. The combat in the game is slow and sluggish and just not fun at all to use. I can't find a class i'm having fun with because they're all boringgggggggggggg. I play WOW and they're all really fun and different to play but then I get into WAR and alot of the classes just play the same. The only difference between most of the tanks is the skills have a different name, but they all do the same thing just mixed around differently. Combat is pretty fast. What you find slow is mobs take some time to kill. That is remedied by finding the best weapon you can for your class. With an equal level weapon, mobs drop in a few hits. If you're using a level 3 weapon on a level 15 mob like I did my first time through, it is really freaking slow. Combat is also based on the speed of RVR. The game is balanced around RVR first then PVE second. It is the focus and nature of the game. What you're saying is, you want a PVE game, which is fine. But WAR is NOT a PVE game. Let me get this out. WAR has more PVE content than launch WoW. The PVE is soooooooo easy I mean for most the game it's the average boring "kill 5 of these" and come back quests that you can run into and not have a fear of dying because you can own like 10 mobs at a time and if you're about to die then you just run away easily and even if you do die then theres no death penatly. If you want PVE then don't play this game because it has nothing to offer you anywhere near the competition of other mmorpgs and public quests wont be enough to keep you playing cause ocne you've done one, then you've done them all. Again, WAR is a RVR game. The biggest complaints about DAOC was people who wanted to pvp didn't like to PVE. WAR's PVE is a means to an end. A way to get people as quickly as possible to PVP without making it tedious. Most quests in WAR are quick, clear and easy to do solo. This is to get people moving up quickly while learning about the world and their class. WAR, even though it is packed with PVE content, is NOT a PVE game. And once you've done any quest in WoW, you've done them all. That means WoW is complete waste of time is what you are saying. The quests in WAR is much more varied than in WoW and is second only to LOTRO, which still has the best story telling of ANY MMORPG game. Here, you are completely off base. The PVP which is meant to be the highlight of the game just ends up being very crap for me because the combat system and the unfun classes just ruin all fun of combat. Also collision detection is very annoying and constantly gets in the way, you'll often walk into team mate sor get stuck ina crowded keep or have some twats block you way up the stairs. The battleground type things are just like AB in WOW and they get boring very fast and so do keeps. Imagine Planetside and capturing the same bse over and over again.......... well in WAR it's like Planetside but without fun combat and lots more bugs and ranged classes owning everything in mass PVP. Whenever I hear people say "unfun class" in any game, what that means is they have no idea how to play the class. The classes in WAR are more complex than WoW classes as they are designed to do something in RVR first, and PVE second. WoW's classes are designed ONLY for PVE. Some of the CE beta people have been making some rather hasty judgements on classes when they clearly have NO IDEA what they are doing. For instance, trying to play a Dwarf Engineer like a WoW Hunter. Completely wrong. The problem isn't the class. It is the player. And as in any game, in most instances, it is the player who have no idea what they are doing. Yes there are things that need to be worked out for some classes, but overall they are well done and finished. NONE of them have IWIN buttons, which is what you seem to be hinting at as being fun. I know I'm going to get flamed but the game is tooo easy, too linear and too boring. I've played this mmorpg lots of times before and I just want something new and not the same old same old buggy level/class based mmorpg. If you want to understand how linear the game is then look at the world map because you follow a set path from levels 1 - 40 all the way through like a fucking big long road. You're trying to place PVE ideology onto a RVR game. I'm not flaming you. I'm calling you out for sowing misinformation and not having a clear grasp of what you are talking about. What you're saying is, you dislike MMORPGs as a genre and everyone should stop bothering playing them. I'm calling you out for being nihilistic in your perception of a product that is clearly nothing like you describe and trying to pass it off as something valid. Please don't believe the hype it's just another WOW that we all got bored of years ago. Again, WAR is nothing like WoW if you played beyond level 10. Anyone who has actually played the game and is giving a fair review of it will not be making this claim. Seems like you made this decision long before you tried the beta and refuse to admit it even when the game is nothing like WoW; nor does it even play like WoW. The focus is completely different. You are right on one thing only! Do NOT believe the hype. Try it out yourself. Try out all the classes. Play it beyond level 10, try out all the different types of content the game offers. I'm fairly certain most people will like that they have a game that gives them multiple types of content; even from level 5. You can say I am a fanboi if it makes you feel better. But I'm just telling it like it is. There are valid complaints about the game, but yours are about a completely different game totally from what WAR is. To everyone else, take everythign you read with a pinch of salt. Even my own words here, which are not to praise the game at all, but to bring some sanity to a completely misguided posting. .... For example, some issues like sluggish combat are perpetuated misinformation. The game is very responsive.
One thing I noticed about mmorpg.com is it's full of fanbois and haters that you can't trust, even the warhammer alliance website is full of threads of people pointing out the many flaws of the game, yet mmorpg.com everything is apparently all roses and you'll be flamed if you say otherwise. Now WAR isn't a horrible game but it has too many flaws tor ecommend and it feels very much like a clone of everyother mmorpg out there. It's very clear to see what they looked at when making this game and thats WOW. No WOW didn't invent the genre but it perfected all the mechanics and became popular because it was sooo easy to get into. So if you've played WOW then you'll know esactly how WAR plays because they play pretty much the same. The problem with this though is WOW is more polished and has far more content to play through. So you ask the question "why am I playing WAR?" and to me I don't know why you'd choose WAR atm. Theres tons of bugs in the game and yeah the game is just about to be released but when you launch a buggy half assed game and try to compete with another mmorpg thats soooo polished and complete then I don't see how you can win. I have lots of CTD constantly and they're happening to everyone, I don't use Vista but all the people using XP atleast are having problems. Theres lots of getting stuck on objects in the world and it's very annoying using /stuck which then makes you log out. The graphics are lacking, I mean the textures are just sooo bland and horrible and just really low detailed right now. You can see all the pointy bits in objects and on the ground because the game has sucha small polygon count. Theres no real atmosphere in the game too and for me I want the art style to look like the CG trailers because that's badass and instead we get a bland ugly looking WOW. The combat in the game is slow and sluggish and just not fun at all to use. I can't find a class i'm having fun with because they're all boringgggggggggggg. I play WOW and they're all really fun and different to play but then I get into WAR and alot of the classes just play the same. The only difference between most of the tanks is the skills have a different name, but they all do the same thing just mixed around differently. The PVE is soooooooo easy I mean for most the game it's the average boring "kill 5 of these" and come back quests that you can run into and not have a fear of dying because you can own like 10 mobs at a time and if you're about to die then you just run away easily and even if you do die then theres no death penatly. If you want PVE then don't play this game because it has nothing to offer you anywhere near the competition of other mmorpgs and public quests wont be enough to keep you playing cause ocne you've done one, then you've done them all. The PVP which is meant to be the highlight of the game just ends up being very crap for me because the combat system and the unfun classes just ruin all fun of combat. Also collision detection is very annoying and constantly gets in the way, you'll often walk into team mate sor get stuck ina crowded keep or have some twats block you way up the stairs. The battleground type things are just like AB in WOW and they get boring very fast and so do keeps. Imagine Planetside and capturing the same bse over and over again.......... well in WAR it's like Planetside but without fun combat and lots more bugs and ranged classes owning everything in mass PVP.
I know I'm going to get flamed but the game is tooo easy, too linear and too boring. I've played this mmorpg lots of times before and I just want something new and not the same old same old buggy level/class based mmorpg. If you want to understand how linear the game is then look at the world map because you follow a set path from levels 1 - 40 all the way through like a fucking big long road.
Please don't believe the hype it's just another WOW that we all got bored of years ago.
WAR is not a PvE game. Comparing it to a game that is mostly PvE/Gear-centric doesn't sound right. If your impressions are to play WAR for PvE and gear, you might consider WoW a better suit. But if you want to PvP with a sense of effecting something, WAR is your game. Now for the bugginess, I can't really contend with that. But the bugs are far and few for me. The linear gameplay statement is just another meaning for you thinking this is a PvE game. PvE is an afterthought in a game titled WAR. Can you not see that? This game isn't your "OMG, I get dkp for this kill right" game. This game isn't your "OMG phat lootz" game. This game is exactly what DaoC RvR was toned down for kids. In DaoC, gear didn't matter (unless you played ToA garbage which was removed eventually). In DaoC, PvE raiding was an afterthought when RvR was in downtime. WAR is the same way. The linear gameplay will always have that feeling though in any game when you have some type of PvE. Shoot any mmorpg will have linear gameplay as long as levels are considered. You need to have this invisible road when you develop a game with leveling so you know which way the characters should develop. You start adding in a bunch of paths like those oldschool make your own path books, and things get confusing.
Now take levels out of a game and you can do alot. You can have the person actually rely on skill to survive. But then comes another problem. The un-popularity of skill based sandbox games. Yeah they can garner some subs, but not WoW like by any means. Of course no game has to be the next WoW, but any investor would surely want that dough. So in a nutshell, you either like linear level based MMO's and will have to deal with it. Or you like skill based sandbox games that are far and few and not so popular. In my honest opinion, MMO's are getting boring as I'm getting older. I'd rather develop the game then play it. This is probably why good games are hard to find these days. By the time you get to making the game, your tired of playing them and lose touch with what actually makes games fun in the first place.
Love War or Hate it, it will garnish subs and live awhile. It's got bugs and CTD's like every other game out there. It will sustain though, just like Funcom. WoW will always be dominant, and so will Diablo 3. Do one thing thoughb when purchasing that next MMO. Forget about what you hate about MMO's. If you don't, every mmo will suck after your first one. Good day!
I was shocked when I logged on here and saw this post was continuing from yesterday. Amazing.
You can PvE or you can PvP/RvR, which is it's heart. It will probably have something for all MMO'ers if you give it a try.
Personally I love it. I've always hated PvP but WAR did something (I haven't put my finger on what as of yet) that makes me love it. That however, won't make it better or worse to YOU. Try it for yourself. Make up your own minds.
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Beta tested for awhile now. The game isn t a mass revolutionary game. What it does though is takes good things from other games especially DAOC ( obviously) and makes them WAY better. There is some innovation, but the main thing i found everytime i logged in was i was having FUN!!! Thats all tat matters to me, log in after a shitty day at work and have some fun.
All the things you complain about are exactly whats RIGHT with WAR.
The main point I want to bring up you complained about is collision detection.
The fact you hate it tells me your a WOW hopping bunny who thinks the game should allow you to magically strike opponents from 20 feet away while mashing macros and jump.
Do yourself a favor and play wow and leave the real WAR to a more realistic audience.
Well whatever I’ve read your complaints and i will be flaming you. All you posted was WoW fanboi bs. WoW has been dead and has killed your soul. I don't see how anyone gets pleasure out of wow anymore. I’ve been playing it since opening day and for me im just realizing that wow is pure crap for people at end game. You simply pointed out all the things missing from wow and tried to say WAR isn't doing them right. A game always has bugs and things needed to hammer out. A lot of these threads are bias but that's because of course people have your opinion and those that like WAR. All can pass judgment once retail comes out. From now on just enjoy the ride and have hope that it will be a success, unless you’re looking for it to fail.
WOWLOLROFLAWESOME
Nice thread. Oh wait.
Those who has some objective criticism,you are the most welcome but to the OP and all the other whiners please have a look at these links as it seems you`ve been leaving under a rock during the last 4 years.
www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php
www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
k so i was in closed for a lil didnt get much time to play but from what i saw...
Gameplay is fun for me (white lion) the pq's are just great just walk into an area and do whats required tis great breeds competition too.
Graphics not the best ive seen coming from Aoc they pretty raw but i believe they are locked into low
were still some bugs when i played being unable to equip armour or not regaining health both fixable by relog.
Pet action bars not showing up after death when pet survived. resummon fixes
soo like i said i didnt see much but what i did see was mostly fun the first scenario is interesting if you havent done before for elves (watch out for the flags)
soo peeps make uop you own minds you got PW open beta if you are invited to see if you like.
ps. This ops post is exactly the crap that was on the Aoc forums ignore it and make yur own judgement
I stopped reading when you suggested warhammeralliance. That place is not neutral on anything. It's the same as any other gaming community.
WAR is not a PvE game. Comparing it to a game that is mostly PvE/Gear-centric doesn't sound right. If your impressions are to play WAR for PvE and gear, you might consider WoW a better suit. But if you want to PvP with a sense of effecting something, WAR is your game. Now for the bugginess, I can't really contend with that. But the bugs are far and few for me. The linear gameplay statement is just another meaning for you thinking this is a PvE game. PvE is an afterthought in a game titled WAR. Can you not see that? This game isn't your "OMG, I get dkp for this kill right" game. This game isn't your "OMG phat lootz" game. This game is exactly what DaoC RvR was toned down for kids. In DaoC, gear didn't matter (unless you played ToA garbage which was removed eventually). In DaoC, PvE raiding was an afterthought when RvR was in downtime. WAR is the same way. The linear gameplay will always have that feeling though in any game when you have some type of PvE. Shoot any mmorpg will have linear gameplay as long as levels are considered. You need to have this invisible road when you develop a game with leveling so you know which way the characters should develop. You start adding in a bunch of paths like those oldschool make your own path books, and things get confusing.
Now take levels out of a game and you can do alot. You can have the person actually rely on skill to survive. But then comes another problem. The un-popularity of skill based sandbox games. Yeah they can garner some subs, but not WoW like by any means. Of course no game has to be the next WoW, but any investor would surely want that dough. So in a nutshell, you either like linear level based MMO's and will have to deal with it. Or you like skill based sandbox games that are far and few and not so popular. In my honest opinion, MMO's are getting boring as I'm getting older. I'd rather develop the game then play it. This is probably why good games are hard to find these days. By the time you get to making the game, your tired of playing them and lose touch with what actually makes games fun in the first place.
Love War or Hate it, it will garnish subs and live awhile. It's got bugs and CTD's like every other game out there. It will sustain though, just like Funcom. WoW will always be dominant, and so will Diablo 3. Do one thing thoughb when purchasing that next MMO. Forget about what you hate about MMO's. If you don't, every mmo will suck after your first one. Good day!
I was shocked when I logged on here and saw this post was continuing from yesterday. Amazing.
You can PvE or you can PvP/RvR, which is it's heart. It will probably have something for all MMO'ers if you give it a try.
Personally I love it. I've always hated PvP but WAR did something (I haven't put my finger on what as of yet) that makes me love it. That however, won't make it better or worse to YOU. Try it for yourself. Make up your own minds.