The few faith I still have on DFO is dying quickly... I am really having a hard time trying to keep it until the end of the year... they were on freaking vacations!!!!!!!!
"There's a video coming out, most probably next week, or shortly after." I'm sorry, but to anyone with a bit of common sense, this is virtually a guarantee that you will NOT be seeing the video in August.
My opinion of why they are taking 3 months to make this video is because they are trying to make what little they actually have look as impressive as possible. If you think about it, you can make even the most basic MMO or any game look fantastic or at least half decent if you dedicate enough time to presenting it in the best possible way. Hence we are still waiting 3 months after this video was first mentioned, because over the last 3 months they have been trying to make Darkfall look as good as they possibly can in this video, and this is obviously something they have always had great difficulty in doing ,and still appear to. They obviously don’t have much to work with, because if they really did have a feature and content complete MMO like the one they have been talking about for years currently in internal beta testing they could simply make numerous short videos with fraps and post them all on Youtube, and it would prove all the nay Sayers wrong instantly. But they wont do that, and they never have, and they probably never will, because they probably don’t have a feature and content complete MMO like the one they have been talking about for years. That’s why they have released so few videos over so many years, it just takes them so long to actually make whatever they had at the time even look half decent, and because they have so little to show the videos have always been so short. That’s why they need over 1 TB of fraps, which is completely ridiculous, unless of course you are taking hours of footage of something that is not very impressive, and is very limited, so you can just select a few minutes of the best bits that make whatever they have look as good as possible. The reason why they keep delaying this video is because they keep realizing what they actually have to show in the video is not good enough and does not comprehensively demonstrate all the features and content they have promised. So they just keep delaying it for another month, and keep working on the video trying to make it much more impressive then actually just showing Darkfall ever would be. I predict as I have before and many others have, this video when its finally released will simply be just more of the same we have already seen for years, but with improved graphics, because I think that’s all Darkfall is. As I said this is just my opinion, and we will see or not see what will actually be in the video next week or whenever it finally releases, but I very much doubt it will come next Friday, because Tasos himself is not even sure that it will.
this video will turn 50,000 people away from darkfall or brings the fan base to a million.
I think you summarized the outcome masterfully. (aside from the typo)
Originally posted by downtoearth
Originally posted by Polarization
My opinion of why they are taking 3 months to make this video is because they are trying to make what little they actually have look as impressive as possible. If you think about it, you can make even the most basic MMO or any game look fantastic or at least half decent if you dedicate enough time to presenting it in the best possible way. Hence we are still waiting 3 months after this video was first mentioned, because over the last 3 months they have been trying to make Darkfall look as good as they possibly can in this video, and this is obviously something they have always had great difficulty in doing ,and still appear to. They obviously don’t have much to work with, because if they really did have a feature and content complete MMO like the one they have been talking about for years currently in internal beta testing they could simply make numerous short videos with fraps and post them all on Youtube, and it would prove all the nay Sayers wrong instantly. But they wont do that, and they never have, and they probably never will, because they probably don’t have a feature and content complete MMO like the one they have been talking about for years. That’s why they have released so few videos over so many years, it just takes them so long to actually make whatever they had at the time even look half decent, and because they have so little to show the videos have always been so short. That’s why they need over 1 TB of fraps, which is completely ridiculous, unless of course you are taking hours of footage of something that is not very impressive, and is very limited, so you can just select a few minutes of the best bits that make whatever they have look as good as possible. The reason why they keep delaying this video is because they keep realizing what they actually have to show in the video is not good enough and does not comprehensively demonstrate all the features and content they have promised. So they just keep delaying it for another month, and keep working on the video trying to make it much more impressive then actually just showing Darkfall ever would be. I predict as I have before and many others have, this video when its finally released will simply be just more of the same we have already seen for years, but with improved graphics, because I think that’s all Darkfall is. As I said this is just my opinion, and we will see or not see what will actually be in the video next week or whenever it finally releases, but I very much doubt it will come next Friday, because Tasos himself is not even sure that it will.
wow pulling that out of thin air arent you
I'm not seeing how you feel he is doing so. Tasos and his company haven't exactly given much to look forward to in the past few years. The amount of "information" on this game is large, but most comes from the mouth of the company. So really, unless your name's a contradiction, and you're not very "down-to-earth", you would look at the information released on the game, (including dates and promises) skeptically.
More importantly, on your prediction, Polarization; I see where you're coming from. I hope it's not all some god-awful scam, but things don't look great for Tasos and company. It just seems as if they've dug a hole too large to crawl back out of.
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My opinion of why they are taking 3 months to make this video is because they are trying to make what little they actually have look as impressive as possible. If you think about it, you can make even the most basic MMO or any game look fantastic or at least half decent if you dedicate enough time to presenting it in the best possible way. Hence we are still waiting 3 months after this video was first mentioned, because over the last 3 months they have been trying to make Darkfall look as good as they possibly can in this video, and this is obviously something they have always had great difficulty in doing ,and still appear to. They obviously don’t have much to work with, because if they really did have a feature and content complete MMO like the one they have been talking about for years currently in internal beta testing they could simply make numerous short videos with fraps and post them all on Youtube, and it would prove all the nay Sayers wrong instantly. But they wont do that, and they never have, and they probably never will, because they probably don’t have a feature and content complete MMO like the one they have been talking about for years. That’s why they have released so few videos over so many years, it just takes them so long to actually make whatever they had at the time even look half decent, and because they have so little to show the videos have always been so short. That’s why they need over 1 TB of fraps, which is completely ridiculous, unless of course you are taking hours of footage of something that is not very impressive, and is very limited, so you can just select a few minutes of the best bits that make whatever they have look as good as possible. The reason why they keep delaying this video is because they keep realizing what they actually have to show in the video is not good enough and does not comprehensively demonstrate all the features and content they have promised. So they just keep delaying it for another month, and keep working on the video trying to make it much more impressive then actually just showing Darkfall ever would be. I predict as I have before and many others have, this video when its finally released will simply be just more of the same we have already seen for years, but with improved graphics, because I think that’s all Darkfall is. As I said this is just my opinion, and we will see or not see what will actually be in the video next week or whenever it finally releases, but I very much doubt it will come next Friday, because Tasos himself is not even sure that it will.
wow pulling that out of thin air arent you
I swore he stated it was his opinion of what's going on...not factual. Now let's see, maybe i have to dig in to see it...wait, nope...there it is right here in the first sentence and again in the last paragraph.
"As I said this is just my opinion, and we will see or not see what will actually be in the video next week or whenever it finally releases, but I very much doubt it will come next Friday, because Tasos himself is not even sure that it will."
this video will turn 50,000 people away from darkfall or brings the fan base to a million.
What about the 3 million fans Tasos already claimed to have in the gameworld.gr interview? Where'd they go?
There is no gameworld.gr interview.
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
this video will turn 50,000 people away from darkfall or brings the fan base to a million.
What about the 3 million fans Tasos already claimed to have in the gameworld.gr interview? Where'd they go?
maybe he was just estimating because thats completly stupid to say
I'll be damned. We agree.
LOL! Comradery!
I will say this however, I like Tasos. Not so much for what he has done, but for how he types. I swear, the post in the link is well done and it addresses the problems that Darkfall has, including the solution of the video being released. But yeah...It still doesn't make me think the video will be released anytime soon.
In all honesty, the Topic should have been titled, "August 22nd Update (or lack thereof)"
By the way, Mount and Blade...Best Fing game I've played in a long Fing time...MMOs really do lack in game-play.
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
My opinion of why they are taking 3 months to make this video is because they are trying to make what little they actually have look as impressive as possible.
I agree with most everything you said, except you make it seem unusual that a company would want their product to be shown int the best possible light. A promo video of an MMORPG (or really any other game) should be the best bits and peices that can show what the game is about and will be like, not just 15 minutes of some idiot fishing or wailing on one mob. Having 1TB of video doesn't seem unreasonable. But it should be completely irrelevant, as the video should be story-boarded out, and the video clips indexed to their content, so they need a clip of mounting and dismounting, go here... Need a clip of a ship battle, go here... etc. Still should not take months after the video has been captured.
That said, they could release or leak "unofficial" videos.
this video will turn 50,000 people away from darkfall or brings the fan base to a million.
What about the 3 million fans Tasos already claimed to have in the gameworld.gr interview? Where'd they go?
There is no gameworld.gr interview.
Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just call it an article which was made covering a convention featuring Darkfall, where the reporters for Gameworld.gr asked Tasos questions for thei article and then printed it. You know, the one where he claimed to have worked for MSNgames, Microsoft, Turbine, and a few others? And when given the chance to correct any false information, Tasos did NOT correct these statements.
So, whatever you want to call it, it is real. Move along now.
My opinion of why they are taking 3 months to make this video is because they are trying to make what little they actually have look as impressive as possible.
I agree with everything most of what you said, except you make it seem unusual that a company would want their product to be shown int the best possible light. A promo video of an MMORPG (or really any other game) should be the best bits and peices that can show what the game is about and will be like, not just 15 minutes of some idiot fishing or wailing on one mob. Having 1TB of video doesn't seem unreasonable. But it should be completely irrelevant, as the video should be story-boarded out, and the video clips indexed to their content, so they need a clip of mounting and dismounting, go here... Need a clip of a ship battle, go here... etc. Still should not take months after the video has been captured.
That said, they could release or leak "unofficial" videos.
That's not what he was getting at.
Polarization's saying they have no product to sell, and in reality are doctoring up the video to make it look as if what they are selling is a Ferrari.
Holy shit, am I protecting his opinion? ...Guess I liked it a lot.
What scares me is that Tasos and company could do a LOT of things to end the debate on the quality of their product, (a lot of simple things) but they aren't. And yes, I neglect the fact that Tasos lies out his ass (from what I've read). I just really don't see how it matters. If the game releases, it does; if it doesn't, it sure is fun to bitch about the stupidity of others.
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
My opinion of why they are taking 3 months to make this video is because they are trying to make what little they actually have look as impressive as possible.
I agree with everything most of what you said, except you make it seem unusual that a company would want their product to be shown int the best possible light. A promo video of an MMORPG (or really any other game) should be the best bits and peices that can show what the game is about and will be like, not just 15 minutes of some idiot fishing or wailing on one mob. Having 1TB of video doesn't seem unreasonable. But it should be completely irrelevant, as the video should be story-boarded out, and the video clips indexed to their content, so they need a clip of mounting and dismounting, go here... Need a clip of a ship battle, go here... etc. Still should not take months after the video has been captured.
That said, they could release or leak "unofficial" videos.
That's not what he was getting at.
Polarization's saying they have no product to sell, and in reality are doctoring up the video to make it look as if what they are selling is a Ferrari.
Holy shit, am I protecting his opinion? ...Guess I liked it a lot.
What scares me is that Tasos and company could do a LOT of things to end the debate on the quality of their product, (a lot of simple things) but they aren't. And yes, I neglect the fact that Tasos lies out his ass (from what I've read). I just really don't see how it matters. If the game releases, it does; if it doesn't, it sure is fun to bitch about the stupidity of others.
that last part could be turned on you too becareful there ^.^
There's a video coming out, most probably next week, or shortly after.
Is there some strange reason as to why this video was not released in the first week of August rather than waiting to the very last minute of the month to relase it or possibly not even releasing it this month at all?
It doesnt take more than a full day to edit a video.
You act like the only thing they ahve to do all day is make a video.... Get a clue... Ever work on a large project? Their are tons and tons of things that need to be check, recheck and then check again, then if something is wrong, it needs to be re worked...
You nor I have any idea what they spend all day doing, stop talking out of your ass for once and use some common sense... The video is not the only thing they are working on.
Lets use some common sense, shall we... Feature complete means the game is done, they are currently testing the game... meaning when they find a bug, the programmers have to go back in and find the problem, fix the problem, then everyone has to re patch and the testing starts again... That is how it works in simple terms.
So to say it takes less then a day to edit a video is true but you do not know how much time they have to spend on the video which is not high on their list but since you dont know how to use common sense you keep on hating blindly.
If they have any idea how to run a business it sure as hell better be high on their list.
Everyone understands that mmo’s take a tremendous amount of work to create.
Tasos needs to pull a couple of guys off whatever they are doing and tell them to make a freaking video.
That’s not about programming or producing an mmo, it’s about running any kind of business. If you tell your potential customers you are going to do something you better do what you can to make it happen.
Tasos needs to learn to stop making promises. Why can’t he figure this out? Don’t do beta sign ups until you are ready for beta. Don’t say you are going to have a video out unless you have a video ready or the time to create one. Don’t say you are going to release a game by the end of the year when you don’t know it will ready by then. How many times can he make the same god damn mistake? He can’t be as stupid as he is making himself look.
I hope for their sake one of the new hires is someone who knows about PR. They really need someone who can tell Tasos to stfu and can deal with the public like a company that actually wants to have customers and make money someday.
The few faith I still have on DFO is dying quickly... I am really having a hard time trying to keep it until the end of the year... they were on freaking vacations!!!!!!!!
In Europe we get at least 6 weeks paid vacation + bank holidays by law. In some countries they basically shut the company down for a month in the summer.
Not defending the lack of info but I can understand why it's been awfully quiet recently.
There's a video coming out, most probably next week, or shortly after. We’re talking about a long 100% in-game pure gameplay trailer with no scripting, no simulation, no post-processing.
Yay!! After only 3 months, we've managed to get from "a few weeks" to "most probably next week, or shortly after" (i.e. "maybe next week, maybe not").
Good to see they've admitted the other videos were not pure in-game video, and had scripting, simulation, and/or post-processing. Um, fairly certain they DIDN'T say that. In fact they're just pointing out what OTHER companies do.
Otherwise, a completely empty update, except "we're upgrading our webservers".
The few faith I still have on DFO is dying quickly... I am really having a hard time trying to keep it until the end of the year... they were on freaking vacations!!!!!!!!
In Europe we get at least 6 weeks paid vacation + bank holidays by law. In some countries they basically shut the company down for a month in the summer.
Not defending the lack of info but I can understand why it's been awfully quiet recently.
Must be nice. I only get 4 weeks a year for vacation with another 3 weeks of sick leave.
As for the topic of this thread. I agree with that Stuu guy. Don't constantly promise things you have no intention or are unable to do. If you can't spare the time make it, then don't bring it up. Stuff like that does not reflect well on your companies ability to live up to their statements. I mean would anyone really want to do business or have dealings with a company. That is constantly talking about what they can offer or plan to do, but consistently fail to produce it at a timely manner, or even at all. That's just bad for business.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
The few faith I still have on DFO is dying quickly... I am really having a hard time trying to keep it until the end of the year... they were on freaking vacations!!!!!!!!
In Europe we get at least 6 weeks paid vacation + bank holidays by law. In some countries they basically shut the company down for a month in the summer.
Not defending the lack of info but I can understand why it's been awfully quiet recently.
Must be nice. I only get 4 weeks a year for vacation with another 3 weeks of sick leave.
As for the topic of this thread. I agree with that Stuu guy. Don't constantly promise things you have no intention or are unable to do. If you can't spare the time make it, then don't bring it up. Stuff like that does not reflect well on your companies ability to live up to their statements. I mean would anyone really want to do business or have dealings with a company. That is constantly talking about what they can offer or plan to do, but consistently fail to produce it at a timely manner, or even at all. That's just bad for business.
We have vacations by law here too... but to be honest, when we are under a deadline, we all work out asses off and we are asked to stay and work. They will pay us more, they will even give us more vacations when all is done. I had been managing projects for more than a decade now (I am Project Manager, mainly in IT but I did other stuff too thanks to the education I was lucky to get)... I asked that of my team: commitment to the project. I try to compensate this, of course and usually the people is more than happy to get double vacations and/or to get a nice bonus.
But come on! This is the only project of this company. Their asses depend on their success and they go on vacations! Sorry, that's something thats questionable.
If someone needs to take days for something important, of course we will give them the permission but we will ask the team to support the project... we will keep getting our checks, if its a success... if not, we wont. Our clients will not trust us, if we fail.
Of course, mayeb aventurine has all done and they are so secure about their product that they take vacations.
Btw, now I am working for a company owned by a spaniard company... I know half Spain stop working on august... but we dont have that luxury... and not even spaniards stop any important project if they are about to roll out it! They are not insane.
About the failing to produce the promised in a constant way... I think Aventurine may be taking too much vacations instead of giving any importance to their deadlines. This is my opinion and I would hate to see DFO to release and be a bad game... because I do like their written promises.
The few faith I still have on DFO is dying quickly... I am really having a hard time trying to keep it until the end of the year... they were on freaking vacations!!!!!!!!
In Europe we get at least 6 weeks paid vacation + bank holidays by law. In some countries they basically shut the company down for a month in the summer.
Not defending the lack of info but I can understand why it's been awfully quiet recently.
Must be nice. I only get 4 weeks a year for vacation with another 3 weeks of sick leave.
As for the topic of this thread. I agree with that Stuu guy. Don't constantly promise things you have no intention or are unable to do. If you can't spare the time make it, then don't bring it up. Stuff like that does not reflect well on your companies ability to live up to their statements. I mean would anyone really want to do business or have dealings with a company. That is constantly talking about what they can offer or plan to do, but consistently fail to produce it at a timely manner, or even at all. That's just bad for business.
We have vacations by law here too... but to be honest, when we are under a deadline, we all work out asses off and we are asked to stay and work. They will pay us more, they will even give us more vacations when all is done. I had been managing projects for more than a decade now (I am Project Manager, mainly in IT but I did other stuff too thanks to the education I was lucky to get)... I asked that of my team: commitment to the project. I try to compensate this, of course and usually the people is more than happy to get double vacations and/or to get a nice bonus.
But come on! This is the only project of this company. Their asses depend on their success and they go on vacations! Sorry, that's something thats questionable.
If someone needs to take days for something important, of course we will give them the permission but we will ask the team to support the project... we will keep getting our checks, if its a success... if not, we wont. Our clients will not trust us, if we fail.
Of course, mayeb aventurine has all done and they are so secure about their product that they take vacations.
Btw, now I am working for a company owned by a spaniard company... I know half Spain stop working on august... but we dont have that luxury... and not even spaniards stop any important project if they are about to roll out it! They are not insane.
About the failing to produce the promised in a constant way... I think Aventurine may be taking too much vacations instead of giving any importance to their deadlines. This is my opinion and I would hate to see DFO to release and be a bad game... because I do like their written promises.
I didnt know the vid had a deadline (release the game is there deadline not so vid)
Personally, I will be sorry to see the video released. It will either show the game is awesome or it will show the game is pathetic. Either way it will end the oh-so-entertaining drama that is this forum. That will only leave me with AoC and War as sources of entertainment and quite frankly they pale next to Darkfall.
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The few faith I still have on DFO is dying quickly... I am really having a hard time trying to keep it until the end of the year... they were on freaking vacations!!!!!!!!
I wouldnt say that
wow pulling that out of thin air arent you
I think you summarized the outcome masterfully. (aside from the typo)
wow pulling that out of thin air arent you
I'm not seeing how you feel he is doing so. Tasos and his company haven't exactly given much to look forward to in the past few years. The amount of "information" on this game is large, but most comes from the mouth of the company. So really, unless your name's a contradiction, and you're not very "down-to-earth", you would look at the information released on the game, (including dates and promises) skeptically.
More importantly, on your prediction, Polarization; I see where you're coming from. I hope it's not all some god-awful scam, but things don't look great for Tasos and company. It just seems as if they've dug a hole too large to crawl back out of.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
I think you summarized the outcome masterfully.
hes probly right
What about the 3 million fans Tasos already claimed to have in the gameworld.gr interview? Where'd they go?
As neither a fan nor a hater of Darkfall I say with great poise
Im excited for the video.
-Jive
What about the 3 million fans Tasos already claimed to have in the gameworld.gr interview? Where'd they go?
maybe he was just estimating because thats completly stupid to say
What about the 3 million fans Tasos already claimed to have in the gameworld.gr interview? Where'd they go?
maybe he was just estimating because thats completly stupid to say
I'll be damned. We agree.
wow pulling that out of thin air arent you
I swore he stated it was his opinion of what's going on...not factual. Now let's see, maybe i have to dig in to see it...wait, nope...there it is right here in the first sentence and again in the last paragraph.
"As I said this is just my opinion, and we will see or not see what will actually be in the video next week or whenever it finally releases, but I very much doubt it will come next Friday, because Tasos himself is not even sure that it will."
Pretty good sentence if you ask me.
What about the 3 million fans Tasos already claimed to have in the gameworld.gr interview? Where'd they go?
There is no gameworld.gr interview.
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
What about the 3 million fans Tasos already claimed to have in the gameworld.gr interview? Where'd they go?
maybe he was just estimating because thats completly stupid to say
I'll be damned. We agree.
LOL! Comradery!
I will say this however, I like Tasos. Not so much for what he has done, but for how he types. I swear, the post in the link is well done and it addresses the problems that Darkfall has, including the solution of the video being released. But yeah...It still doesn't make me think the video will be released anytime soon.
In all honesty, the Topic should have been titled, "August 22nd Update (or lack thereof)"
By the way, Mount and Blade...Best Fing game I've played in a long Fing time...MMOs really do lack in game-play.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
I agree with most everything you said, except you make it seem unusual that a company would want their product to be shown int the best possible light. A promo video of an MMORPG (or really any other game) should be the best bits and peices that can show what the game is about and will be like, not just 15 minutes of some idiot fishing or wailing on one mob. Having 1TB of video doesn't seem unreasonable. But it should be completely irrelevant, as the video should be story-boarded out, and the video clips indexed to their content, so they need a clip of mounting and dismounting, go here... Need a clip of a ship battle, go here... etc. Still should not take months after the video has been captured.
That said, they could release or leak "unofficial" videos.
What about the 3 million fans Tasos already claimed to have in the gameworld.gr interview? Where'd they go?
There is no gameworld.gr interview.
Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just call it an article which was made covering a convention featuring Darkfall, where the reporters for Gameworld.gr asked Tasos questions for thei article and then printed it. You know, the one where he claimed to have worked for MSNgames, Microsoft, Turbine, and a few others? And when given the chance to correct any false information, Tasos did NOT correct these statements.
So, whatever you want to call it, it is real. Move along now.
I agree with everything most of what you said, except you make it seem unusual that a company would want their product to be shown int the best possible light. A promo video of an MMORPG (or really any other game) should be the best bits and peices that can show what the game is about and will be like, not just 15 minutes of some idiot fishing or wailing on one mob. Having 1TB of video doesn't seem unreasonable. But it should be completely irrelevant, as the video should be story-boarded out, and the video clips indexed to their content, so they need a clip of mounting and dismounting, go here... Need a clip of a ship battle, go here... etc. Still should not take months after the video has been captured.
That said, they could release or leak "unofficial" videos.
That's not what he was getting at.
Polarization's saying they have no product to sell, and in reality are doctoring up the video to make it look as if what they are selling is a Ferrari.
Holy shit, am I protecting his opinion? ...Guess I liked it a lot.
What scares me is that Tasos and company could do a LOT of things to end the debate on the quality of their product, (a lot of simple things) but they aren't. And yes, I neglect the fact that Tasos lies out his ass (from what I've read). I just really don't see how it matters. If the game releases, it does; if it doesn't, it sure is fun to bitch about the stupidity of others.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
I agree with everything most of what you said, except you make it seem unusual that a company would want their product to be shown int the best possible light. A promo video of an MMORPG (or really any other game) should be the best bits and peices that can show what the game is about and will be like, not just 15 minutes of some idiot fishing or wailing on one mob. Having 1TB of video doesn't seem unreasonable. But it should be completely irrelevant, as the video should be story-boarded out, and the video clips indexed to their content, so they need a clip of mounting and dismounting, go here... Need a clip of a ship battle, go here... etc. Still should not take months after the video has been captured.
That said, they could release or leak "unofficial" videos.
That's not what he was getting at.
Polarization's saying they have no product to sell, and in reality are doctoring up the video to make it look as if what they are selling is a Ferrari.
Holy shit, am I protecting his opinion? ...Guess I liked it a lot.
What scares me is that Tasos and company could do a LOT of things to end the debate on the quality of their product, (a lot of simple things) but they aren't. And yes, I neglect the fact that Tasos lies out his ass (from what I've read). I just really don't see how it matters. If the game releases, it does; if it doesn't, it sure is fun to bitch about the stupidity of others.
that last part could be turned on you too becareful there ^.^
Is there some strange reason as to why this video was not released in the first week of August rather than waiting to the very last minute of the month to relase it or possibly not even releasing it this month at all?
It doesnt take more than a full day to edit a video.
You act like the only thing they ahve to do all day is make a video.... Get a clue... Ever work on a large project? Their are tons and tons of things that need to be check, recheck and then check again, then if something is wrong, it needs to be re worked...
You nor I have any idea what they spend all day doing, stop talking out of your ass for once and use some common sense... The video is not the only thing they are working on.
Lets use some common sense, shall we... Feature complete means the game is done, they are currently testing the game... meaning when they find a bug, the programmers have to go back in and find the problem, fix the problem, then everyone has to re patch and the testing starts again... That is how it works in simple terms.
So to say it takes less then a day to edit a video is true but you do not know how much time they have to spend on the video which is not high on their list but since you dont know how to use common sense you keep on hating blindly.
If they have any idea how to run a business it sure as hell better be high on their list.
Everyone understands that mmo’s take a tremendous amount of work to create.
Tasos needs to pull a couple of guys off whatever they are doing and tell them to make a freaking video.
That’s not about programming or producing an mmo, it’s about running any kind of business. If you tell your potential customers you are going to do something you better do what you can to make it happen.
Tasos needs to learn to stop making promises. Why can’t he figure this out? Don’t do beta sign ups until you are ready for beta. Don’t say you are going to have a video out unless you have a video ready or the time to create one. Don’t say you are going to release a game by the end of the year when you don’t know it will ready by then. How many times can he make the same god damn mistake? He can’t be as stupid as he is making himself look.
I hope for their sake one of the new hires is someone who knows about PR. They really need someone who can tell Tasos to stfu and can deal with the public like a company that actually wants to have customers and make money someday.
well to bad its not high on there list sorry
In Europe we get at least 6 weeks paid vacation + bank holidays by law. In some countries they basically shut the company down for a month in the summer.
Not defending the lack of info but I can understand why it's been awfully quiet recently.
Yay!! After only 3 months, we've managed to get from "a few weeks" to "most probably next week, or shortly after" (i.e. "maybe next week, maybe not").
Good to see they've admitted the other videos were not pure in-game video, and had scripting, simulation, and/or post-processing. Um, fairly certain they DIDN'T say that. In fact they're just pointing out what OTHER companies do.
Otherwise, a completely empty update, except "we're upgrading our webservers".
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In Europe we get at least 6 weeks paid vacation + bank holidays by law. In some countries they basically shut the company down for a month in the summer.
Not defending the lack of info but I can understand why it's been awfully quiet recently.
As for the topic of this thread. I agree with that Stuu guy. Don't constantly promise things you have no intention or are unable to do. If you can't spare the time make it, then don't bring it up. Stuff like that does not reflect well on your companies ability to live up to their statements. I mean would anyone really want to do business or have dealings with a company. That is constantly talking about what they can offer or plan to do, but consistently fail to produce it at a timely manner, or even at all. That's just bad for business.
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In Europe we get at least 6 weeks paid vacation + bank holidays by law. In some countries they basically shut the company down for a month in the summer.
Not defending the lack of info but I can understand why it's been awfully quiet recently.
As for the topic of this thread. I agree with that Stuu guy. Don't constantly promise things you have no intention or are unable to do. If you can't spare the time make it, then don't bring it up. Stuff like that does not reflect well on your companies ability to live up to their statements. I mean would anyone really want to do business or have dealings with a company. That is constantly talking about what they can offer or plan to do, but consistently fail to produce it at a timely manner, or even at all. That's just bad for business.
We have vacations by law here too... but to be honest, when we are under a deadline, we all work out asses off and we are asked to stay and work. They will pay us more, they will even give us more vacations when all is done. I had been managing projects for more than a decade now (I am Project Manager, mainly in IT but I did other stuff too thanks to the education I was lucky to get)... I asked that of my team: commitment to the project. I try to compensate this, of course and usually the people is more than happy to get double vacations and/or to get a nice bonus.
But come on! This is the only project of this company. Their asses depend on their success and they go on vacations! Sorry, that's something thats questionable.
If someone needs to take days for something important, of course we will give them the permission but we will ask the team to support the project... we will keep getting our checks, if its a success... if not, we wont. Our clients will not trust us, if we fail.
Of course, mayeb aventurine has all done and they are so secure about their product that they take vacations.
Btw, now I am working for a company owned by a spaniard company... I know half Spain stop working on august... but we dont have that luxury... and not even spaniards stop any important project if they are about to roll out it! They are not insane.
About the failing to produce the promised in a constant way... I think Aventurine may be taking too much vacations instead of giving any importance to their deadlines. This is my opinion and I would hate to see DFO to release and be a bad game... because I do like their written promises.
In Europe we get at least 6 weeks paid vacation + bank holidays by law. In some countries they basically shut the company down for a month in the summer.
Not defending the lack of info but I can understand why it's been awfully quiet recently.
As for the topic of this thread. I agree with that Stuu guy. Don't constantly promise things you have no intention or are unable to do. If you can't spare the time make it, then don't bring it up. Stuff like that does not reflect well on your companies ability to live up to their statements. I mean would anyone really want to do business or have dealings with a company. That is constantly talking about what they can offer or plan to do, but consistently fail to produce it at a timely manner, or even at all. That's just bad for business.
We have vacations by law here too... but to be honest, when we are under a deadline, we all work out asses off and we are asked to stay and work. They will pay us more, they will even give us more vacations when all is done. I had been managing projects for more than a decade now (I am Project Manager, mainly in IT but I did other stuff too thanks to the education I was lucky to get)... I asked that of my team: commitment to the project. I try to compensate this, of course and usually the people is more than happy to get double vacations and/or to get a nice bonus.
But come on! This is the only project of this company. Their asses depend on their success and they go on vacations! Sorry, that's something thats questionable.
If someone needs to take days for something important, of course we will give them the permission but we will ask the team to support the project... we will keep getting our checks, if its a success... if not, we wont. Our clients will not trust us, if we fail.
Of course, mayeb aventurine has all done and they are so secure about their product that they take vacations.
Btw, now I am working for a company owned by a spaniard company... I know half Spain stop working on august... but we dont have that luxury... and not even spaniards stop any important project if they are about to roll out it! They are not insane.
About the failing to produce the promised in a constant way... I think Aventurine may be taking too much vacations instead of giving any importance to their deadlines. This is my opinion and I would hate to see DFO to release and be a bad game... because I do like their written promises.
I didnt know the vid had a deadline (release the game is there deadline not so vid)
Personally, I will be sorry to see the video released. It will either show the game is awesome or it will show the game is pathetic. Either way it will end the oh-so-entertaining drama that is this forum. That will only leave me with AoC and War as sources of entertainment and quite frankly they pale next to Darkfall.