it only sounds like yammering because most of the readers here have never worked in software development before. they just naively assume the game just magically springs into being and features just write themselves.
software development is SLOW. the design-code-test cycle takes TIME even with a large development team, and most of the time, there's nothing new to report.
be thankful these guys are ballsy enough that they even provide biweekly updates of development progress -- 99% of software companies don't.
Fraping a video doesn't take 3+ months!! Stop making it sound like nuclear science, its not design-code-test. Its simply frappin a video of a game they have announced is feature complete since the year began almost.. And before you start with the "They've been slaving away developing" Thats BS too. They just came back from a bloody vaction! Geesh I really do hope DF comes out, but the excuses some of you Fanbois keep pulling up are just mind boggling.
You act like the only thing they ahve to do all day is make a video.... Get a clue... Ever work on a large project? Their are tons and tons of things that need to be check, recheck and then check again, then if something is wrong, it needs to be re worked... You nor I have any idea what they spend all day doing, stop talking out of your ass for once and use some common sense... The video is not the only thing they are working on. Lets use some common sense, shall we... Feature complete means the game is done, they are currently testing the game... meaning when they find a bug, the programmers have to go back in and find the problem, fix the problem, then everyone has to re patch and the testing starts again... That is how it works in simple terms. So to say it takes less then a day to edit a video is true but you do not know how much time they have to spend on the video which is not high on their list but since you dont know how to use common sense you keep on hating blindly.
Ah, ok so in otherwords keeping their word to there fans / potential customers just isn't important to them.(ie "high on their list" as you say. Humm shades of DF CSR to come ) Taking that one day to make a video, say last month just wasn't worth it? Give me a Break its one day. If they are sooo scared that one day away from testing will make them miss their release date this year I'd say DF must be in pretty bad shape!
Come on, open your eyes, smell the coffee, think alittle! If Aventurine is really so poorly managed / incompetant they can't even get a video out in under 3 months how in the hell can they release a feature complete, playable, and enjoyable game in the next 4?
Well at least we know what the Fanbois excuse will be when the video doesn't come out. They were too busy doing developer stuff after their vacation (and much too busy vacationing during their vacation ) and couldn't afford to put one freaking day aside for a simple frapping video!
You act like the only thing they ahve to do all day is make a video.... Get a clue... Ever work on a large project? Their are tons and tons of things that need to be check, recheck and then check again, then if something is wrong, it needs to be re worked... You nor I have any idea what they spend all day doing, stop talking out of your ass for once and use some common sense... The video is not the only thing they are working on. Lets use some common sense, shall we... Feature complete means the game is done, they are currently testing the game... meaning when they find a bug, the programmers have to go back in and find the problem, fix the problem, then everyone has to re patch and the testing starts again... That is how it works in simple terms. So to say it takes less then a day to edit a video is true but you do not know how much time they have to spend on the video which is not high on their list but since you dont know how to use common sense you keep on hating blindly.
Ah, ok so in otherwords keeping their word to there fans / potential customers just isn't important to them.(ie "high on their list" as you say. Humm shades of DF CSR to come ) Taking that one day to make a video, say last moth just wasn't worth it? Give me a Break its one day. If they are sooo scared that one day away from testing will make them miss their release date this year I'd say DF must be in pretty bad shape!
Come on, open your eyes, smell the coffee, think alittle! If Aventurine is really so poorly managed / incompetant they can't even get a video out in under 3 months how in the hell can they release a feature complete, playable, and enjoyable game in the next 4?
Well at least we know what the Fanbois excuse will be when the video doesn't come out. They were too busy doing developer stuff after their vacation (and much too busy vacationing during their vacation ) and couldn't afford to put one freaking day aside for a simple frapping video!
see this is where you fail to relize there devs not pr people gms or csrs
Ah, ok so in otherwords keeping their word to there fans / potential customers just isn't important to them.(ie "high on their list" as you say. Humm shades of DF CSR to come ) Taking that one day to make a video, say last moth just wasn't worth it? Give me a Break its one day. If they are sooo scared that one day away from testing will make them miss their release date this year I'd say DF must be in pretty bad shape! Come on, open your eyes, smell the coffee, think alittle! If Aventurine is really so poorly managed / incompetant they can't even get a video out in under 3 months how in the hell can they release a feature complete, playable, and enjoyable game in the next 4? Well at least we know what the Fanbois excuse will be when the video doesn't come out. They were too busy doing developer stuff after their vacation (and much too busy vacationing during their vacation ) and couldn't afford to put one freaking day aside for a simple frapping video!
see this is where you fail to relize there devs not pr people gms or csrs
Your point still being they don't care and their word means nothing?
it only sounds like yammering because most of the readers here have never worked in software development before. they just naively assume the game just magically springs into being and features just write themselves.
software development is SLOW. the design-code-test cycle takes TIME even with a large development team, and most of the time, there's nothing new to report.
be thankful these guys are ballsy enough that they even provide biweekly updates of development progress -- 99% of software companies don't.
Fraping a video doesn't take 3+ months!! Stop making it sound like nuclear science, its not design-code-test. Its simply frappin a video of a game they have announced is feature complete since the year began almost.. And before you start with the "They've been slaving away developing" Thats BS too. They just came back from a bloody vaction! Geesh I really do hope DF comes out, but the excuses some of you Fanbois keep pulling up are just mind boggling.
yea it doesnt take that long if thats all you work on im sorry but you need to just stop your making a fool of your self.
excuses are really the problem here its you guys guessing everything tasos doing or what theya re working on and oyu have no foundation for it whats so ever.
It to hard to explin to you if you cant firgure it out by now. your a lost cause im sorry.
You act like its wrong to follow a game. Guess what its not get over it. go do something else.
If tasos isnt lieing this vid is goign to get shoved down your guyses throats you really want that to happen? i really dont think so.
If you guys wouldnt keep saying things with no foundation for it we wouldnt have to explain shit to you. (which in turn is excuses granted but. NOONE knows what there are doing.
Do you really know how long it would take them to make a vid if they have to do it a certain way? You dont. and you cant prove other wise
Ah, ok so in otherwords keeping their word to there fans / potential customers just isn't important to them.(ie "high on their list" as you say. Humm shades of DF CSR to come ) Taking that one day to make a video, say last moth just wasn't worth it? Give me a Break its one day. If they are sooo scared that one day away from testing will make them miss their release date this year I'd say DF must be in pretty bad shape! Come on, open your eyes, smell the coffee, think alittle! If Aventurine is really so poorly managed / incompetant they can't even get a video out in under 3 months how in the hell can they release a feature complete, playable, and enjoyable game in the next 4? Well at least we know what the Fanbois excuse will be when the video doesn't come out. They were too busy doing developer stuff after their vacation (and much too busy vacationing during their vacation ) and couldn't afford to put one freaking day aside for a simple frapping video!
see this is where you fail to relize there devs not pr people gms or csrs
Your point still being they don't care and their word means nothing?
They care, but not what you guys say. I wouldnt either sense i would think they know what they have. and you have no clue.
its going to make you look worse than them.even if not caring during dev. Taso has made to pretty bold claims that you really cant get away with . And its looks like there preparing to release so there bold claims would ruin them. i realy dont think there bold at all i think hes just to damn honest about everything TMI
Ah, ok so in otherwords keeping their word to there fans / potential customers just isn't important to them.(ie "high on their list" as you say. Humm shades of DF CSR to come ) Taking that one day to make a video, say last moth just wasn't worth it? Give me a Break its one day. If they are sooo scared that one day away from testing will make them miss their release date this year I'd say DF must be in pretty bad shape! Come on, open your eyes, smell the coffee, think alittle! If Aventurine is really so poorly managed / incompetant they can't even get a video out in under 3 months how in the hell can they release a feature complete, playable, and enjoyable game in the next 4? Well at least we know what the Fanbois excuse will be when the video doesn't come out. They were too busy doing developer stuff after their vacation (and much too busy vacationing during their vacation ) and couldn't afford to put one freaking day aside for a simple frapping video!
see this is where you fail to relize there devs not pr people gms or csrs
Your point still being they don't care and their word means nothing?
Has it taken you this long to realise that? They said, over and over that they do not care about PR, they just care about making the game. For someone advising others to think a little, you're surely not doing much of it.
Like i said earlier, you're one of the thousands who've never worked in the software development industry, so you've no concept of the development process.
You act like the only thing they have to do all day is make a video.... Get a clue... Ever work on a large project? Their are tons and tons of things that need to be check, recheck and then check again, then if something is wrong, it needs to be re worked... You nor I have any idea what they spend all day doing, stop talking out of your ass for once and use some common sense... The video is not the only thing they are working on. Lets use some common sense, shall we... Feature complete means the game is done, they are currently testing the game... meaning when they find a bug, the programmers have to go back in and find the problem, fix the problem, then everyone has to re patch and the testing starts again... That is how it works in simple terms. So to say it takes less then a day to edit a video is true but you do not know how much time they have to spend on the video which is not high on their list but since you dont know how to use common sense you keep on hating blindly.
If they have any idea how to run a business it sure as hell better be high on their list. Everyone understands that mmos take a tremendous amount of work to create. Tasos needs to pull a couple of guys off whatever they are doing and tell them to make a freaking video. Thats not about programming or producing an mmo, its about running any kind of business. If you tell your potential customers you are going to do something you better do what you can to make it happen.
it's not a service business yet, there are no customers. it's a development company, and they are - intelligently - putting all their resources into development. it's good business sense. hyping their game and producing too much of a buzz is not what they're going for -- they're not trying to mass-market their game -- this is what 90% of these retards trolling DF don't realise.
Tasos needs to learn to stop making promises. Why cant he figure this out? Dont do beta sign ups until you are ready for beta. Dont say you are going to have a video out unless you have a video ready or the time to create one. Dont say you are going to release a game by the end of the year when you dont know it will ready by then. How many times can he make the same god damn mistake? He cant be as stupid as he is making himself look. I hope for their sake one of the new hires is someone who knows about PR. They really need someone who can tell Tasos to stfu and can deal with the public like a company that actually wants to have customers and make money someday.
why change anything? Tasos is playing it like a pro -- he's got everyone dancing around like puppets on strings waiting on every word. Deliberately vague information creates discussion and controversy, which keeps Darkfall in the spotlight, for next to no PR investment.
I think they're geniuses, the way they manage to get so many people inflamed about this or that, keeping the enthusiasm running high.
this video will turn 50,000 people away from darkfall or brings the fan base to a million.
Darkfall will not have a million fans... Ever.
Good... the last thing we want is WOW-idiots choking up the forums with their "Waaa i got killed and lost my stuffs" and "Waaa i want safe zones and easy epix".
You act like the only thing they have to do all day is make a video.... Get a clue... Ever work on a large project? Their are tons and tons of things that need to be check, recheck and then check again, then if something is wrong, it needs to be re worked...
You nor I have any idea what they spend all day doing, stop talking out of your ass for once and use some common sense... The video is not the only thing they are working on.
Lets use some common sense, shall we... Feature complete means the game is done, they are currently testing the game... meaning when they find a bug, the programmers have to go back in and find the problem, fix the problem, then everyone has to re patch and the testing starts again... That is how it works in simple terms.
So to say it takes less then a day to edit a video is true but you do not know how much time they have to spend on the video which is not high on their list but since you dont know how to use common sense you keep on hating blindly.
If they have any idea how to run a business it sure as hell better be high on their list.
Everyone understands that mmo’s take a tremendous amount of work to create.
Tasos needs to pull a couple of guys off whatever they are doing and tell them to make a freaking video.
That’s not about programming or producing an mmo, it’s about running any kind of business. If you tell your potential customers you are going to do something you better do what you can to make it happen.
it's not a service business yet, there are no customers. it's a development company, and they are - intelligently - putting all their resources into development. it's good business sense. hyping their game and producing too much of a buzz is not what they're going for -- they're not trying to mass-market their game -- this is what 90% of these retards trolling DF don't realise.
Tasos needs to learn to stop making promises. Why can’t he figure this out? Don’t do beta sign ups until you are ready for beta. Don’t say you are going to have a video out unless you have a video ready or the time to create one. Don’t say you are going to release a game by the end of the year when you don’t know it will ready by then. How many times can he make the same god damn mistake? He can’t be as stupid as he is making himself look.
I hope for their sake one of the new hires is someone who knows about PR. They really need someone who can tell Tasos to stfu and can deal with the public like a company that actually wants to have customers and make money someday.
why change anything? Tasos is playing it like a pro -- he's got everyone dancing around like puppets on strings waiting on every word. Deliberately vague information creates discussion and controversy, which keeps Darkfall in the spotlight, for next to no PR investment.
I think they're geniuses, the way they manage to get so many people inflamed about this or that, keeping the enthusiasm running high.
you know what will be even greater is taso being fairly honest about everything.
My opinion of why they are taking 3 months to make this video is because they are trying to make what little they actually have look as impressive as possible. If you think about it, you can make even the most basic MMO or any game look fantastic or at least half decent if you dedicate enough time to presenting it in the best possible way. Hence we are still waiting 3 months after this video was first mentioned, because over the last 3 months they have been trying to make Darkfall look as good as they possibly can in this video, and this is obviously something they have always had great difficulty in doing ,and still appear to. They obviously don’t have much to work with, because if they really did have a feature and content complete MMO like the one they have been talking about for years currently in internal beta testing they could simply make numerous short videos with fraps and post them all on Youtube, and it would prove all the nay Sayers wrong instantly. But they wont do that, and they never have, and they probably never will, because they probably don’t have a feature and content complete MMO like the one they have been talking about for years. That’s why they have released so few videos over so many years, it just takes them so long to actually make whatever they had at the time even look half decent, and because they have so little to show the videos have always been so short. That’s why they need over 1 TB of fraps, which is completely ridiculous, unless of course you are taking hours of footage of something that is not very impressive, and is very limited, so you can just select a few minutes of the best bits that make whatever they have look as good as possible. The reason why they keep delaying this video is because they keep realizing what they actually have to show in the video is not good enough and does not comprehensively demonstrate all the features and content they have promised. So they just keep delaying it for another month, and keep working on the video trying to make it much more impressive then actually just showing Darkfall ever would be. I predict as I have before and many others have, this video when its finally released will simply be just more of the same we have already seen for years, but with improved graphics, because I think that’s all Darkfall is. As I said this is just my opinion, and we will see or not see what will actually be in the video next week or whenever it finally releases, but I very much doubt it will come next Friday, because Tasos himself is not even sure that it will.
Of course, the logical explanation:
they're a small, indie development studio with tight internal schedules working their arses off to meet their internal deadlines for beta and as such have completely integrated their video capture into their scheduled playtesting framework over a few weeks to get the footage
you know what will be even greater is taso being fairly honest about everything. that would turn these guys upside down
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
or the truly incompetent fool. whichever
Wow its pretty obvious who you are. would you just give it up. LOL
if you want ill go back a page and go find your banend account witht he same location just diffrent age i also really like your name in your profile its the same as your orlybird alt account lol.
WoW i just went back to 2007 post and i found at least 10 alt accounts i know theres way more. im not pointing fingers but all we really have to do is look at your profile
you know what will be even greater is taso being fairly honest about everything. that would turn these guys upside down
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
or the truly incompetent fool. whichever
A fool wouldn't be able to rile up people to the point where there are dozens of individuals so butt-hurt by Tasos' limited but brilliant PR releases they spend their whole lives scouring the net for tiny irrelevant details or hang around on fansites year after year venting their emo angst.
You can be sure that Tasos is reading this forum every week and laughing his head off at the vapourtrolls.
you know what will be even greater is taso being fairly honest about everything. that would turn these guys upside down
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
or the truly incompetent fool. whichever
A fool wouldn't be able to rile up people to the point where there are dozens of individuals so butt-hurt by Tasos' limited but brilliant PR releases they spend their whole lives scouring the net for tiny irrelevant details or hang around on fansites year after year venting their emo angst.
You can be sure that Tasos is reading this forum every week and laughing his head off at the vapourtrolls.
Basically we are here because of what the game can offer. for may of us we truly hope that this game will really be release as per promise with all the gameplay in.
But seeing year after year that its being push back and still dont have any concrete evidence that is game is playable, its kinda getting old real quick...
Hopefully the video that he promise will come out next week... else more people will laugh at his credibility. and will keep saying this is a vapourware....
He need to prove us wrong if he's really reading this.... which i seriously doubt....
Ah, ok so in otherwords keeping their word to there fans / potential customers just isn't important to them.(ie "high on their list" as you say. Humm shades of DF CSR to come ) Taking that one day to make a video, say last moth just wasn't worth it? Give me a Break its one day. If they are sooo scared that one day away from testing will make them miss their release date this year I'd say DF must be in pretty bad shape! Come on, open your eyes, smell the coffee, think alittle! If Aventurine is really so poorly managed / incompetant they can't even get a video out in under 3 months how in the hell can they release a feature complete, playable, and enjoyable game in the next 4? Well at least we know what the Fanbois excuse will be when the video doesn't come out. They were too busy doing developer stuff after their vacation (and much too busy vacationing during their vacation ) and couldn't afford to put one freaking day aside for a simple frapping video!
see this is where you fail to relize there devs not pr people gms or csrs
Your point still being they don't care and their word means nothing?
Has it taken you this long to realise that? They said, over and over that they do not care about PR, they just care about making the game. For someone advising others to think a little, you're surely not doing much of it.
Like i said earlier, you're one of the thousands who've never worked in the software development industry, so you've no concept of the development process.
I'm sorry, I must have missed your qualifications. Do tell.
you know what will be even greater is taso being fairly honest about everything. that would turn these guys upside down
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
or the truly incompetent fool. whichever
A fool wouldn't be able to rile up people to the point where there are dozens of individuals so butt-hurt by Tasos' limited but brilliant PR releases they spend their whole lives scouring the net for tiny irrelevant details or hang around on fansites year after year venting their emo angst.
You can be sure that Tasos is reading this forum every week and laughing his head off at the vapourtrolls.
Basically we are here because of what the game can offer. for may of us we truly hope that this game will really be release as per promise with all the gameplay in.
But seeing year after year that its being push back and still dont have any concrete evidence that is game is playable, its kinda getting old real quick...
Hopefully the video that he promise will come out next week... else more people will laugh at his credibility. and will keep saying this is a vapourware....
He need to prove us wrong if he's really reading this.... which i seriously doubt....
Don't you get it? It's all part of Tasos' amazing master plan of marketing.
Rely on total idiots to make up bogus excuses for your horrendous shortcomings.
Release absolutely no information about your product ever and watch the sales roll in. LOL
Of course, the logical explanation: they're a small, Nope 30+ is not small, and Tasos said they have hired even more staff recently not to mention all those “professional testers”.
indie development studio That’s no excuse, many other indie development studios don’t seem to have any problems whatsoever releasing videos.
with tight internal schedules These would be those “tight internal schedules” they have been failing to meet for the last 8 years I presume?
working their arses off Whilst taking holidays during the last 3 months yet still failing to produce a video, sure sounds like hard work to me.
to meet their internal deadlines for beta Don’t forget that other much more important “official internal deadline” for launch within this year as well. Nearly 4 months left to beta and launch this game, still no publishers, no marketing, no mainstream media exposure, no significant partners, and only a Greek distributor so far, looks almost completely hopeless to me, especially when it seems to take them at least 3 months just to make and release a simple video, let alone the most ambitious and revolutionary MMO ever conceived.
and as such have completely integrated their video capture into their scheduled playtesting framework over a few weeks to get the footage That sounds exactly like the sort of marketing gobbledygook Tasos has been spouting for years, amazing.
But If it did indeed take them “2 weeks to get the footage” after the May 23rd announcement and another 2 weeks to make the video (I’m being generous) that would have ment a release around the time of the June 20th update, instead of the usual excuses from Tasos we got instead. Its almost September now, no need to say anymore.
... is just too logical, isn't it? Simply sounds like a load of BS excuses to me, just my opinion of course.
A proof of life more than an update. But they are actually having an update once a month no, that is an increase if you look at the history.
A couple of comments;
"We take for granted sometimes that the Darkfall community is savvy enough to understand the limitations of independent game development and make allowances,"
I'm sorry Tasos, you take too much for granted. The MMO mob rather wants you to lie to them...
"Nothing is scripted. We wanted to give you something that can put you in the true spirit of the game and this requires us to be actually playing the game like you would be, and not just taking you on a sightseeing tour or have a company make a marketing cinematic trailer for us."
Hehehe...remember FC's "Siegevideo" anyone ?
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
The few faith I still have on DFO is dying quickly... I am really having a hard time trying to keep it until the end of the year... they were on freaking vacations!!!!!!!!
In Europe we get at least 6 weeks paid vacation + bank holidays by law. In some countries they basically shut the company down for a month in the summer.
Not defending the lack of info but I can understand why it's been awfully quiet recently.
Must be nice. I only get 4 weeks a year for vacation with another 3 weeks of sick leave.
As for the topic of this thread. I agree with that Stuu guy. Don't constantly promise things you have no intention or are unable to do. If you can't spare the time make it, then don't bring it up. Stuff like that does not reflect well on your companies ability to live up to their statements. I mean would anyone really want to do business or have dealings with a company. That is constantly talking about what they can offer or plan to do, but consistently fail to produce it at a timely manner, or even at all. That's just bad for business.
We have vacations by law here too... but to be honest, when we are under a deadline, we all work out asses off and we are asked to stay and work. They will pay us more, they will even give us more vacations when all is done. I had been managing projects for more than a decade now (I am Project Manager, mainly in IT but I did other stuff too thanks to the education I was lucky to get)... I asked that of my team: commitment to the project. I try to compensate this, of course and usually the people is more than happy to get double vacations and/or to get a nice bonus.
But come on! This is the only project of this company. Their asses depend on their success and they go on vacations! Sorry, that's something thats questionable.
If someone needs to take days for something important, of course we will give them the permission but we will ask the team to support the project... we will keep getting our checks, if its a success... if not, we wont. Our clients will not trust us, if we fail.
Of course, mayeb aventurine has all done and they are so secure about their product that they take vacations.
Btw, now I am working for a company owned by a spaniard company... I know half Spain stop working on august... but we dont have that luxury... and not even spaniards stop any important project if they are about to roll out it! They are not insane.
About the failing to produce the promised in a constant way... I think Aventurine may be taking too much vacations instead of giving any importance to their deadlines. This is my opinion and I would hate to see DFO to release and be a bad game... because I do like their written promises.
I didnt know the vid had a deadline (release the game is there deadline not so vid)
They set goals for themselves and fail to meet them. It's simple, if you say you are going to release something during the month of May. Then good business practices pretty much dictate that you do everything within your power, to make it happen.
There is nothing wrong with missing a date, as long as you don't let too much time lag, before delivering. Saying month after month that it will happen then, it not happening. Shows that you aren't reliable. When they missed the original month a better answer would have been. "Sorry we could not make our original planned approximation. We promise to get back to you when we have a more firm understanding of a definitive date." Saying June then no wait July, then oh August...maybe. Just proves that either you are A) Understaffed, Incompetent, C) Over-worked, or D) Unreliable.
Seeing as how none of us have every been to Adventurine's office, or know the company personally. All that is left is drawing a conclusion from previous experiences (if any apply), with them. It's the same as a movie saying "coming soon" vs "Coming in xxxx". Whether you know it or not, anytime you announce any sort of day or promise any sort of material. You are pitching your product to someone. If that person is interested then yes, that person is part of your targeted consumer group. So when a movie says "Coming soon" it's basically pitching at you to keep your interest while keeping a relatively broad release date. As opposed to a "Coming in xxxx". Putting a year in it, is a dead line any way you slice it. Adding a day and/or month just narrows it down even more.
No different then MMO's. If you release a trailer saying "Coming in xxxx". You should be busting tail to try to make that. Missing dates instills doubts into your potential customers. It's always better to use a broad date when unsure about something. By saying video in x month and not releasing they backed themselves into a corner. Which could have just as easily been avoided if they said "Hey we are looking to release a video sometime during the last half of this year."
Sorry I work in a field where I, and the people I work with and for. Are contracted to meet certain goals and dates. I have no tolerance for unreliable people or companies. Since the start of 2008 I have had to fire seven people for their "unreliability". Unreliable people and companies do not give me a warm fuzzy feeling.
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One thing funcom and mythic proved is that you can tell a lot from Beta leaks.
I also liked how in their annual report to investors they said that you are suppose to expect bad press and negative reaction during launch. Another funny thing is their was a statement on how all the Advertising Testing went well. You know all those ads you saw months before release. That was just the advertisement beta testing. The freaks actually beta tested their ad campaign more then their sieging systems. Fricken failcom.
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Fraping a video doesn't take 3+ months!! Stop making it sound like nuclear science, its not design-code-test. Its simply frappin a video of a game they have announced is feature complete since the year began almost.. And before you start with the "They've been slaving away developing" Thats BS too. They just came back from a bloody vaction! Geesh I really do hope DF comes out, but the excuses some of you Fanbois keep pulling up are just mind boggling.
Ah, ok so in otherwords keeping their word to there fans / potential customers just isn't important to them.(ie "high on their list" as you say. Humm shades of DF CSR to come
) Taking that one day to make a video, say last month just wasn't worth it? Give me a Break its one day. If they are sooo scared that one day away from testing will make them miss their release date this year I'd say DF must be in pretty bad shape!
Come on, open your eyes, smell the coffee, think alittle! If Aventurine is really so poorly managed / incompetant they can't even get a video out in under 3 months how in the hell can they release a feature complete, playable, and enjoyable game in the next 4?
Well at least we know what the Fanbois excuse will be when the video doesn't come out. They were too busy doing developer stuff after their vacation (and much too busy vacationing during their vacation ) and couldn't afford to put one freaking day aside for a simple frapping video!
Ah, ok so in otherwords keeping their word to there fans / potential customers just isn't important to them.(ie "high on their list" as you say. Humm shades of DF CSR to come
) Taking that one day to make a video, say last moth just wasn't worth it? Give me a Break its one day. If they are sooo scared that one day away from testing will make them miss their release date this year I'd say DF must be in pretty bad shape!
Come on, open your eyes, smell the coffee, think alittle! If Aventurine is really so poorly managed / incompetant they can't even get a video out in under 3 months how in the hell can they release a feature complete, playable, and enjoyable game in the next 4?
Well at least we know what the Fanbois excuse will be when the video doesn't come out. They were too busy doing developer stuff after their vacation (and much too busy vacationing during their vacation ) and couldn't afford to put one freaking day aside for a simple frapping video!
see this is where you fail to relize there devs not pr people gms or csrs
see this is where you fail to relize there devs not pr people gms or csrs
Your point still being they don't care and their word means nothing?
Fraping a video doesn't take 3+ months!! Stop making it sound like nuclear science, its not design-code-test. Its simply frappin a video of a game they have announced is feature complete since the year began almost.. And before you start with the "They've been slaving away developing" Thats BS too. They just came back from a bloody vaction! Geesh I really do hope DF comes out, but the excuses some of you Fanbois keep pulling up are just mind boggling.
yea it doesnt take that long if thats all you work on im sorry but you need to just stop your making a fool of your self.
excuses are really the problem here its you guys guessing everything tasos doing or what theya re working on and oyu have no foundation for it whats so ever.
It to hard to explin to you if you cant firgure it out by now. your a lost cause im sorry.
You act like its wrong to follow a game. Guess what its not get over it. go do something else.
If tasos isnt lieing this vid is goign to get shoved down your guyses throats you really want that to happen? i really dont think so.
If you guys wouldnt keep saying things with no foundation for it we wouldnt have to explain shit to you. (which in turn is excuses granted but. NOONE knows what there are doing.
Do you really know how long it would take them to make a vid if they have to do it a certain way? You dont. and you cant prove other wise
see this is where you fail to relize there devs not pr people gms or csrs
Your point still being they don't care and their word means nothing?
They care, but not what you guys say. I wouldnt either sense i would think they know what they have. and you have no clue.
its going to make you look worse than them.even if not caring during dev. Taso has made to pretty bold claims that you really cant get away with . And its looks like there preparing to release so there bold claims would ruin them. i realy dont think there bold at all i think hes just to damn honest about everything TMI
see this is where you fail to relize there devs not pr people gms or csrs
Your point still being they don't care and their word means nothing?
Has it taken you this long to realise that? They said, over and over that they do not care about PR, they just care about making the game. For someone advising others to think a little, you're surely not doing much of it.
Like i said earlier, you're one of the thousands who've never worked in the software development industry, so you've no concept of the development process.
it's not a service business yet, there are no customers. it's a development company, and they are - intelligently - putting all their resources into development. it's good business sense. hyping their game and producing too much of a buzz is not what they're going for -- they're not trying to mass-market their game -- this is what 90% of these retards trolling DF don't realise.
why change anything? Tasos is playing it like a pro -- he's got everyone dancing around like puppets on strings waiting on every word. Deliberately vague information creates discussion and controversy, which keeps Darkfall in the spotlight, for next to no PR investment.
I think they're geniuses, the way they manage to get so many people inflamed about this or that, keeping the enthusiasm running high.
Darkfall will not have a million fans... Ever.
Good... the last thing we want is WOW-idiots choking up the forums with their "Waaa i got killed and lost my stuffs" and "Waaa i want safe zones and easy epix".
If they have any idea how to run a business it sure as hell better be high on their list.
Everyone understands that mmo’s take a tremendous amount of work to create.
Tasos needs to pull a couple of guys off whatever they are doing and tell them to make a freaking video.
That’s not about programming or producing an mmo, it’s about running any kind of business. If you tell your potential customers you are going to do something you better do what you can to make it happen.
it's not a service business yet, there are no customers. it's a development company, and they are - intelligently - putting all their resources into development. it's good business sense. hyping their game and producing too much of a buzz is not what they're going for -- they're not trying to mass-market their game -- this is what 90% of these retards trolling DF don't realise.
why change anything? Tasos is playing it like a pro -- he's got everyone dancing around like puppets on strings waiting on every word. Deliberately vague information creates discussion and controversy, which keeps Darkfall in the spotlight, for next to no PR investment.
I think they're geniuses, the way they manage to get so many people inflamed about this or that, keeping the enthusiasm running high.
you know what will be even greater is taso being fairly honest about everything.
that would turn these guys upside down
Of course, the logical explanation:
they're a small, indie development studio with tight internal schedules working their arses off to meet their internal deadlines for beta and as such have completely integrated their video capture into their scheduled playtesting framework over a few weeks to get the footage
... is just too logical, isn't it?
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
some times i think he just does it to piss of these naysayers. because it would make for good shove down the throat at the end : )
this is why he better be telling the truth because i want the naysayers world to be turned upside down but thats just me.
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
or the truly incompetent fool. whichever
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
or the truly incompetent fool. whichever
Wow its pretty obvious who you are. would you just give it up. LOL
if you want ill go back a page and go find your banend account witht he same location just diffrent age i also really like your name in your profile its the same as your orlybird alt account lol.
WoW i just went back to 2007 post and i found at least 10 alt accounts i know theres way more. im not pointing fingers but all we really have to do is look at your profile
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
or the truly incompetent fool. whichever
A fool wouldn't be able to rile up people to the point where there are dozens of individuals so butt-hurt by Tasos' limited but brilliant PR releases they spend their whole lives scouring the net for tiny irrelevant details or hang around on fansites year after year venting their emo angst.
You can be sure that Tasos is reading this forum every week and laughing his head off at the vapourtrolls.
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
or the truly incompetent fool. whichever
individuals so butt-hurt by Tasos' limited but brilliant PR releases they spend their whole lives scouring the net for tiny irrelevant details
You just described 99% of Darkfalls fan base. lol
congrats.
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
or the truly incompetent fool. whichever
A fool wouldn't be able to rile up people to the point where there are dozens of individuals so butt-hurt by Tasos' limited but brilliant PR releases they spend their whole lives scouring the net for tiny irrelevant details or hang around on fansites year after year venting their emo angst.
You can be sure that Tasos is reading this forum every week and laughing his head off at the vapourtrolls.
Basically we are here because of what the game can offer. for may of us we truly hope that this game will really be release as per promise with all the gameplay in.
But seeing year after year that its being push back and still dont have any concrete evidence that is game is playable, its kinda getting old real quick...
Hopefully the video that he promise will come out next week... else more people will laugh at his credibility. and will keep saying this is a vapourware....
He need to prove us wrong if he's really reading this.... which i seriously doubt....
RIP Orc Choppa
see this is where you fail to relize there devs not pr people gms or csrs
Your point still being they don't care and their word means nothing?
Has it taken you this long to realise that? They said, over and over that they do not care about PR, they just care about making the game. For someone advising others to think a little, you're surely not doing much of it.
Like i said earlier, you're one of the thousands who've never worked in the software development industry, so you've no concept of the development process.
I'm sorry, I must have missed your qualifications. Do tell.
yeah i know, it's the details he leaves out that make him the true puppetmaster.
or the truly incompetent fool. whichever
A fool wouldn't be able to rile up people to the point where there are dozens of individuals so butt-hurt by Tasos' limited but brilliant PR releases they spend their whole lives scouring the net for tiny irrelevant details or hang around on fansites year after year venting their emo angst.
You can be sure that Tasos is reading this forum every week and laughing his head off at the vapourtrolls.
Basically we are here because of what the game can offer. for may of us we truly hope that this game will really be release as per promise with all the gameplay in.
But seeing year after year that its being push back and still dont have any concrete evidence that is game is playable, its kinda getting old real quick...
Hopefully the video that he promise will come out next week... else more people will laugh at his credibility. and will keep saying this is a vapourware....
He need to prove us wrong if he's really reading this.... which i seriously doubt....
Don't you get it? It's all part of Tasos' amazing master plan of marketing.
Rely on total idiots to make up bogus excuses for your horrendous shortcomings.
Release absolutely no information about your product ever and watch the sales roll in. LOL
Sounds like a winning plan to me.
All hail the master of marketing - Tasos
A million - are you serious?
Why would anyone want to play an 8yr old game, that won't be finished for another...8yrs?
This 'game' is the biggest standing joke in the industry.
A proof of life more than an update. But they are actually having an update once a month no, that is an increase if you look at the history.
A couple of comments;
"We take for granted sometimes that the Darkfall community is savvy enough to understand the limitations of independent game development and make allowances,"
I'm sorry Tasos, you take too much for granted. The MMO mob rather wants you to lie to them...
"Nothing is scripted. We wanted to give you something that can put you in the true spirit of the game and this requires us to be actually playing the game like you would be, and not just taking you on a sightseeing tour or have a company make a marketing cinematic trailer for us."
Hehehe...remember FC's "Siegevideo" anyone ?
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In Europe we get at least 6 weeks paid vacation + bank holidays by law. In some countries they basically shut the company down for a month in the summer.
Not defending the lack of info but I can understand why it's been awfully quiet recently.
As for the topic of this thread. I agree with that Stuu guy. Don't constantly promise things you have no intention or are unable to do. If you can't spare the time make it, then don't bring it up. Stuff like that does not reflect well on your companies ability to live up to their statements. I mean would anyone really want to do business or have dealings with a company. That is constantly talking about what they can offer or plan to do, but consistently fail to produce it at a timely manner, or even at all. That's just bad for business.
We have vacations by law here too... but to be honest, when we are under a deadline, we all work out asses off and we are asked to stay and work. They will pay us more, they will even give us more vacations when all is done. I had been managing projects for more than a decade now (I am Project Manager, mainly in IT but I did other stuff too thanks to the education I was lucky to get)... I asked that of my team: commitment to the project. I try to compensate this, of course and usually the people is more than happy to get double vacations and/or to get a nice bonus.
But come on! This is the only project of this company. Their asses depend on their success and they go on vacations! Sorry, that's something thats questionable.
If someone needs to take days for something important, of course we will give them the permission but we will ask the team to support the project... we will keep getting our checks, if its a success... if not, we wont. Our clients will not trust us, if we fail.
Of course, mayeb aventurine has all done and they are so secure about their product that they take vacations.
Btw, now I am working for a company owned by a spaniard company... I know half Spain stop working on august... but we dont have that luxury... and not even spaniards stop any important project if they are about to roll out it! They are not insane.
About the failing to produce the promised in a constant way... I think Aventurine may be taking too much vacations instead of giving any importance to their deadlines. This is my opinion and I would hate to see DFO to release and be a bad game... because I do like their written promises.
I didnt know the vid had a deadline (release the game is there deadline not so vid)
They set goals for themselves and fail to meet them. It's simple, if you say you are going to release something during the month of May. Then good business practices pretty much dictate that you do everything within your power, to make it happen.
There is nothing wrong with missing a date, as long as you don't let too much time lag, before delivering. Saying month after month that it will happen then, it not happening. Shows that you aren't reliable. When they missed the original month a better answer would have been. "Sorry we could not make our original planned approximation. We promise to get back to you when we have a more firm understanding of a definitive date." Saying June then no wait July, then oh August...maybe. Just proves that either you are A) Understaffed,
Incompetent, C) Over-worked, or D) Unreliable.
Seeing as how none of us have every been to Adventurine's office, or know the company personally. All that is left is drawing a conclusion from previous experiences (if any apply), with them. It's the same as a movie saying "coming soon" vs "Coming in xxxx". Whether you know it or not, anytime you announce any sort of day or promise any sort of material. You are pitching your product to someone. If that person is interested then yes, that person is part of your targeted consumer group. So when a movie says "Coming soon" it's basically pitching at you to keep your interest while keeping a relatively broad release date. As opposed to a "Coming in xxxx". Putting a year in it, is a dead line any way you slice it. Adding a day and/or month just narrows it down even more.
No different then MMO's. If you release a trailer saying "Coming in xxxx". You should be busting tail to try to make that. Missing dates instills doubts into your potential customers. It's always better to use a broad date when unsure about something. By saying video in x month and not releasing they backed themselves into a corner. Which could have just as easily been avoided if they said "Hey we are looking to release a video sometime during the last half of this year."
Sorry I work in a field where I, and the people I work with and for. Are contracted to meet certain goals and dates. I have no tolerance for unreliable people or companies. Since the start of 2008 I have had to fire seven people for their "unreliability". Unreliable people and companies do not give me a warm fuzzy feeling.
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haha, Funcom siege video
One thing funcom and mythic proved is that you can tell a lot from Beta leaks.
I also liked how in their annual report to investors they said that you are suppose to expect bad press and negative reaction during launch. Another funny thing is their was a statement on how all the Advertising Testing went well. You know all those ads you saw months before release. That was just the advertisement beta testing. The freaks actually beta tested their ad campaign more then their sieging systems. Fricken failcom.