Originally posted by bigbaldpapa Originally posted by Fishermage
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He has every right to say whatever he wants. He has every place to say whatever he wants. As long as this country is free it is always one's place to speak one's mind. Plus, it is easy to check the state of the game -- enough free passes are given out so anyone may try it. As someone who still plays the game on a fairly regular basis, I'm sorry, I don't see any real turn around. A couple of servers are doing well -- the rest of the place is dying. Every step they take forward, they take two steps back. They still do not care about customer effort, still feel it is okay to erase past achievement by players -- in short they still do not know how to advance a persistent world in a professional manner. They are failures, plain and simple. They don't know what they are doing. People have every right tp get what enjoyment they can out of it -- I certainly do -- but the game is still a mess.
I recognize that name from the forums. Being a long-time vet I know your opinion lol. I'm not going to argue with you here. We have had enough there and I respect your knowledge. I just see things differently. A long time ago I had to let the old game go. Like you, I am a die-hard Star Wars geek. I can't log in and play a game that I am miserable and pissed off about so I let the old game go. The current team has been left with the dubious task of working with the mess that was given to them and I believe 100% that they are doing well working with what they where given. The population is a mess without a doubt and will never get back to what it was. However, I also believe that is on an upcreep. I am an optimist here. I dig MMO's and I love Star Wars so I am making lemonade out of the lemons we have been given.
-JarheddJedi
ahh jarhedd
Good to see you again!
I let the old game go long ago as well, and I am VERY sympathetic to the situation Blix and team find themselves in. I am just saying that they have not done the best job they could getting out of that situation and many of the hard choices they have made have been the wrong ones -- and those wrong choices stem from the same ethical problems that the old team had.
That is why I don't think it's the teams, it's management -- it's Smed.
I have noticed the same thing has happened with EQ2 (which is actually a good game even if they make the same kinds of mistakes), vanguard, EQ1, and from what I hear, matric online.
SOE just has a shabby set of ethics, and that stuff flows downhill from the man in charge.
He has every right to say whatever he wants. He has every place to say whatever he wants. As long as this country is free it is always one's place to speak one's mind. Plus, it is easy to check the state of the game -- enough free passes are given out so anyone may try it.
As someone who still plays the game on a fairly regular basis, I'm sorry, I don't see any real turn around. A couple of servers are doing well -- the rest of the place is dying. Every step they take forward, they take two steps back. They still do not care about customer effort, still feel it is okay to erase past achievement by players -- in short they still do not know how to advance a persistent world in a professional manner.
They are failures, plain and simple. They don't know what they are doing. People have every right tp get what enjoyment they can out of it -- I certainly do -- but the game is still a mess.
I recognize that name from the forums. Being a long-time vet I know your opinion lol. I'm not going to argue with you here. We have had enough there and I respect your knowledge. I just see things differently. A long time ago I had to let the old game go. Like you, I am a die-hard Star Wars geek. I can't log in and play a game that I am miserable and pissed off about so I let the old game go.
The current team has been left with the dubious task of working with the mess that was given to them and I believe 100% that they are doing well working with what they where given. The population is a mess without a doubt and will never get back to what it was. However, I also believe that is on an upcreep.
I am an optimist here. I dig MMO's and I love Star Wars so I am making lemonade out of the lemons we have been given.
-JarheddJedi
ahh jarhedd
Good to see you again!
I let the old game go long ago as well, and I am VERY sympathetic to the situation Blix and team find themselves in. I am just saying that they have not done the best job they could getting out of that situation and many of the hard choices they have made have been the wrong ones -- and those wrong choices stem from the same ethical problems that the old team had.
That is why I don't think it's the teams, it's management -- it's Smed.
I have noticed the same thing has happened with EQ2 (which is actually a good game even if they make the same kinds of mistakes), vanguard, EQ1, and from what I hear, matric online.
SOE just has a shabby set of ethics, and that stuff flows downhill from the man in charge.
I won't disagree with you there.
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SOE just has a shabby set of ethics, and that stuff flows downhill from the man in charge.
I won't disagree with you there.
Then why do you defend them?
I defend the current dev team and what they are trying to do for the game.
The current dev team is responsible for cookie-cutter "heroic" instances, endless collections and now a card game microtransaction scam. What is there to defend?
SOE just has a shabby set of ethics, and that stuff flows downhill from the man in charge.
I won't disagree with you there.
Then why do you defend them?
I defend the current dev team and what they are trying to do for the game.
The current dev team is responsible for cookie-cutter "heroic" instances, endless collections and now a card game microtransaction scam. What is there to defend?
There is no sense in going at each others throats over it. It is my opinion. I will admit that just now, I logged in, stared up the screen then promptly logged out and fired up my 360 to play some madden.
SWG isn't perfect. But it is far better off then it was after the NGE hit.
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Try using the new search tool, you can select people by profession and makes it easy to find people, even on the deadest of servers (Kauri) I can find over a hundred toons online just about anytime. Since you just came back to the game, just note that people do not hang out in the same places we used to. One reason is with a spaceship you can go from any starport to any starport, so no need to go to Coronet first to be able to go to Yavin 4 from Tatooine. Makes a big difference.
Screenshots of 100 people online on Kauri at any given time. I bet you can't provide a screenshot that shows 50 people on Kauri.
You are simply lying to these people. Good posters get banned on here all the time for speaking the truth and you get to stay while you lie about the state of the game. It's ridiculous.
Not to mention, apparently SOE allows AFK farming now, they see nothing wrong with it at all. So some of the people who may see online, arent even really there, yippeeee! SWG should be put to rest. Just end it, what a pathetic ending to what was truly a great game.
Has there ever been a greater fail by a MMO than what SOE did to SWG? Honest question.
Off the top of my head, let's see:
Tabula Rasa-not a complete failure, still has great combat and great content till you get to the end game. Hasn't fallen as far as SWG
Roma Victor-this game never got above 1000players online at once, so yes this was a bigger failure
Vanguard-had a bad launch, Has a good community now
Hellgate London-bad company who didnt know what they were doing
And that Car Racing MMO, I forget the name that shut down a year after it launched.
it was auto assault, and it had a niche community who loved the game. Wasnt much of a failure, it just didnt fit NCsofts standards
alright ill bite
and even still those games havent been out as long as SWG. You would think a game thats been out for FIVE years would be pretty polished and lush with content by now.
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Lets not forget that the mmo under discussion is a STAR WARS mmo with half the subscribers of EVE online which is possibly the most niche mmo out there. The same IP that's probably the largest entertainment franchise in history, that alone means it's a bigger failure than any mmo ever released.
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Originally posted by efefia Lets not forget that the mmo under discussion is a STAR WARS mmo with half the subscribers of EVE online which is possibly the most niche mmo out there. The same IP that's probably the largest entertainment franchise in history, that alone means it's a bigger failure than any mmo ever released.
Very good point Efe. This is what I keep saying too. It is Sony and Star Wars. How can you mess that up? SOE sure can!
What they are facing in the merging of servers is the loss of virtual real estate... server specific resources etc. There are some vets on the empty servers that are clinging to what they have built so the devs are stuck with looking for a solution. A dev has posted that they are actively working on a solution to solve the obvious problem of the low-population servers.
Well see that's the thing. The solution to figuring out low-population levels has been ongoing for quite some time. As time goes by, more money is lost (server overheard and loss of subscribers). This is the current state: There is a gash on the arm and the bandage won't stop the bleeding. Do you wait and hope that emergency services will arrive in time, or do you apply a tourniquet? (I hate to use such an example)
Now there are details and methods that can be worked out that haven't been mentioned (for that takes time in typing up a long boring post), but an example would be to begin phasing out the servers, one at a time, with the lowest population first. Virtual real-estate is indeed a problem, which is why some other form of compensation should be provided. Heck even add in some fiction or game events... That Evil Empire is conducting purges forcing people to evacuate to other locations.
Yes those people who have to move will be upset and may even want to quit. If SOE/LA want to do it right (this time around as oppose to the NGE), they need to conduct a campaign in providing the user with information of the reasons for the changes and let the users be part of the discussion. There might be a commonality that 80% of the users will accept a server move if they receive 20 million credits (as an example). Will this disrupt the economy of those server, not likely, considering of the gold farmers, and other exploits. This would provide a surge, which will dissipate over time.
Originally posted by pdxgeek
The answer from SOE is total BS. All of the resources and crafted goods are just entries in a database. Companies merge databases all the time...if they really cared about providing a good experience for their players they would hire some DBAs and get to work.
Quite right, some work on database would provide great information to work with and that is all it should take. However, since character transfers cost money... I'm thinking that their system is not like other corporate DB systems. There may be a lack of tools, little DB skills and no budget from the management to hire a DB contractor...
And that is why...
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Originally posted by Dracus Originally posted by pdxgeek
The answer from SOE is total BS. All of the resources and crafted goods are just entries in a database. Companies merge databases all the time...if they really cared about providing a good experience for their players they would hire some DBAs and get to work.
Quite right, some work on database would provide great information to work with and that is all it should take. However, since character transfers cost money... I'm thinking that their system is not like other corporate DB systems. There may be a lack of tools, little DB skills and no budget from the management to hire a DB contractor...
Which is why I'm comfortable saying they just don't care about their players. They admit that all of the servers except for maybe two or three are massively underpopulated but they can't be bothered to do anything about it. Considering how fast they have lost subscribers since the NGE you would think that player retention would become a priority.
Also, don't think that because character transfers cost money that there is anything technically challenging about it. It's just another way to squeeze more money out of their dwindling player base.
Try using the new search tool, you can select people by profession and makes it easy to find people, even on the deadest of servers (Kauri) I can find over a hundred toons online just about anytime. Since you just came back to the game, just note that people do not hang out in the same places we used to. One reason is with a spaceship you can go from any starport to any starport, so no need to go to Coronet first to be able to go to Yavin 4 from Tatooine. Makes a big difference.
Screenshots of 100 people online on Kauri at any given time. I bet you can't provide a screenshot that shows 50 people on Kauri.
You are simply lying to these people. Good posters get banned on here all the time for speaking the truth and you get to stay while you lie about the state of the game. It's ridiculous.
I will be checking the Kauri population at different times during the day today using the new search option, my first check was just now about 11:15am PST there are 54 players that show up on the search.
How I am doing this is by searching by profession and getting the results, for instance in this search the two most popular professions were 15 Commando's and 19 Jedi on the server. This search will not include anyone who's toon is on /anon so it will be a low estimate.
Try using the new search tool, you can select people by profession and makes it easy to find people, even on the deadest of servers (Kauri) I can find over a hundred toons online just about anytime. Since you just came back to the game, just note that people do not hang out in the same places we used to. One reason is with a spaceship you can go from any starport to any starport, so no need to go to Coronet first to be able to go to Yavin 4 from Tatooine. Makes a big difference.
Screenshots of 100 people online on Kauri at any given time. I bet you can't provide a screenshot that shows 50 people on Kauri.
You are simply lying to these people. Good posters get banned on here all the time for speaking the truth and you get to stay while you lie about the state of the game. It's ridiculous.
I will be checking the Kauri population at different times during the day today using the new search option, my first check was just now about 11:15am PST there are 54 players that show up on the search.
How I am doing this is by searching by profession and getting the results, for instance in this search the two most popular professions were 15 Commando's and 19 Jedi on the server. This search will not include anyone who's toon is on /anon so it will be a low estimate.
Can you post a screenshot? I'd like to see what the new search feature looks like.
Try using the new search tool, you can select people by profession and makes it easy to find people, even on the deadest of servers (Kauri) I can find over a hundred toons online just about anytime. Since you just came back to the game, just note that people do not hang out in the same places we used to. One reason is with a spaceship you can go from any starport to any starport, so no need to go to Coronet first to be able to go to Yavin 4 from Tatooine. Makes a big difference.
well i went on corbantis, used the tool and there where 32 players, that was the entire server this was 9pm uk time on the weekend, this tells me one thing the game is in real trouble, i remember when corbantis used to be very busy, and im not falling for the players are hiding in different corners of the universe i went to the bh terminal and there where no bounty's at all.... staggering no PLAYER BOUNTYS AT ALL. so i went to restuss nothing no one i had the entire place to my self .
bah i know there all spy's and there invisable afk at the keyboard! but there honestly whatever
Please note that the tool stops at 32 players. On Kauri since the population is so low it is easy to just check each profession with out going over the 32 player name limit. Currently as of 2:30pm PST on Kauri there are 89 players not on /anon on the server.
Umm... less than 100 concurrent players on a MMO server at any time is pretty much the definition of failure. Particularly for a game based on a premium IP.
Also, don't think that because character transfers cost money that there is anything technically challenging about it. It's just another way to squeeze more money out of their dwindling player base.
I'm not saying you are wrong with that statement. I think both possibilities are true; it is a difficult process, or a sneaker net process along with a means to generate more income. Considering that the rate of $15/mo is still the norm... (Why do MMO's go up in price or instantly become F2P over their lifetime, rather than go down in price gradually? Just one of those things to ponder about...)
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Umm... less than 100 concurrent players on a MMO server at any time is pretty much the definition of failure. Particularly for a game based on a premium IP.
These numbers of active people are ... well ... interesting (sorry for being like Spock).
Each server originally supported 3,500 concurrent users right after launch I think... I forget what the limit went to after the server upgrades, 5,000? Yeah that is a lot of CPU power going to waste.
I know! To help combat global warming by saving the Watt, SOE/LA should shut down the low populated servers! Be Green. Do it to Save The Planet!
(Ok, I'm joking about saving the Watt)
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Originally posted by talanisen Umm... less than 100 concurrent players on a MMO server at any time is pretty much the definition of failure. Particularly for a game based on a premium IP.
These numbers of active people are ... well ... interesting (sorry for being like Spock).
Each server originally supported 3,500 concurrent users right after launch I think... I forget what the limit went to after the server upgrades, 5,000? Yeah that is a lot of CPU power going to waste.
I know! To help combat global warming by saving the Watt, SOE/LA should shut down the low populated servers! Be Green. Do it to Save The Planet!
(Ok, I'm joking about saving the Watt)
The hilarious part about it is, if they took those low pop servers, shut them down, and then re-introduced them as pre-cu or pre-NGE servers, their subscriber base would triple. They are LITERALLY sitting on a money switch, and won't flip it. I am completely dumbfounded by this... How can a company be greedy, and yet not like money at the exact same time?
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Not to mention, apparently SOE allows AFK farming now, they see nothing wrong with it at all. So some of the people who may see online, arent even really there, yippeeee!
SWG should be put to rest. Just end it, what a pathetic ending to what was truly a great game.
Has there ever been a greater fail by a MMO than what SOE did to SWG? Honest question.
Off the top of my head, let's see:
Tabula Rasa
Roma Victor
Vanguard
Hellgate London
And that Car Racing MMO, I forget the name that shut down a year after it launched.
None of those were fairly successful games based upon the largest IP in the history of licensing, then, out of sheer stupidity, completely changes the game. alienating their customers, and lost more than half their playerbase in one idiotic move.
Sorry, none of those comes close.
QFT. Why did anyone even post after this comment.
SWG-NGE is the pinnacle of what not to do in an MMO ***-> AND <-*** how not to treat your customers. There is no bigger example of failure.
I am a bit confused. I thouhgt the OP was talking about Kettemoor, not Kauri?
Anyway, I am playing on Kett and having fun... if you want to give away your stuff OP, I will take it off your hands
Kettemoor is def a small server. But then again, I think it has one of the nicest little communities out there. And I have had toons on several servers...
I do not know if there is any real answer to the server populations. They say they are working on it. The thing is, I think they will just end up doing some kind of cross server instance, and that will not fix the problem.
I will be the first to admit that (especially at the hours I play) Kett is pretty empty. But I would take that handful over several hundred of the asshats I remember from the glory days of Bloodifn. Just my two cents.
Kettemoor was always a great community. One of the biggest things I miss from the game.
Hastor is right though. SOE has been promising to come up with solutions to the population issues for a very long time now and they have already rejected the one sure fire way to address the issue. I wouldn't expect any real and lasting changes on this issue.
Man... I am serious. If you want to give away your stuff... I still play that failure of an MMO. Until KoTOR hits that is. I love me some Star Wars and MMO's... what can I do?
I hope none of the SWG NGE players show up in KOTOR. I dont want a community of players from SWG NGE over there. Its immoral and unethical to play SWG and a threat to the genre. And frankly, nge players never learn their lesson.
Oh okay, the devs say low pop is being worked on....LOL....do I need to post the list of lies from SOE again ? And they also promised us that the FRS was being worked on as well. Didnt Smelly himself mention a need for server mergers like 2 yrs ago ? Yeah they'll be fixing your low pop server problems, its called a shutdown.
It doesnt matter if the game is good or bad. The game's current version was created from stolen subscription money. Shame on you for playing.
And the game certainly isnt growing. How many of these silly posts claim growth despite devs admitting the game is dying, and much more evidence. 2-3rd character slots, player transfers, and free trials dont equal growth. If it did, you wouldnt see SOE cutting more staff from SWG and no possibility of an expansion.
Man... I am serious. If you want to give away your stuff... I still play that failure of an MMO. Until KoTOR hits that is. I love me some Star Wars and MMO's... what can I do?
I hope none of the SWG NGE players show up in KOTOR. I dont want a community of players from SWG NGE over there. Its immoral and unethical to play SWG and a threat to the genre. And frankly, nge players never learn their lesson.
Oh okay, the devs say low pop is being worked on....LOL....do I need to post the list of lies from SOE again ? And they also promised us that the FRS was being worked on as well. Didnt Smelly himself mention a need for server mergers like 2 yrs ago ? Yeah they'll be fixing your low pop server problems, its called a shutdown.
It doesnt matter if the game is good or bad. The game's current version was created from stolen subscription money. Shame on you for playing.
And the game certainly isnt growing. How many of these silly posts claim growth despite devs admitting the game is dying, and much more evidence. 2-3rd character slots, player transfers, and free trials dont equal growth. If it did, you wouldnt see SOE cutting more staff from SWG and no possibility of an expansion.
It's "immoral and unethical" to play SWG? get some perspective.
You don't like the game. Fine. But to call those who do "immoral and unethical" is bad.
And BTW, I currently play SWG (have for four years), and I will be playing KOTOR. So it looks like you're not going to get your wish.
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He has every right to say whatever he wants. He has every place to say whatever he wants. As long as this country is free it is always one's place to speak one's mind. Plus, it is easy to check the state of the game -- enough free passes are given out so anyone may try it.
As someone who still plays the game on a fairly regular basis, I'm sorry, I don't see any real turn around. A couple of servers are doing well -- the rest of the place is dying. Every step they take forward, they take two steps back. They still do not care about customer effort, still feel it is okay to erase past achievement by players -- in short they still do not know how to advance a persistent world in a professional manner.
They are failures, plain and simple. They don't know what they are doing. People have every right tp get what enjoyment they can out of it -- I certainly do -- but the game is still a mess.
I recognize that name from the forums. Being a long-time vet I know your opinion lol. I'm not going to argue with you here. We have had enough there and I respect your knowledge. I just see things differently. A long time ago I had to let the old game go. Like you, I am a die-hard Star Wars geek. I can't log in and play a game that I am miserable and pissed off about so I let the old game go.
The current team has been left with the dubious task of working with the mess that was given to them and I believe 100% that they are doing well working with what they where given. The population is a mess without a doubt and will never get back to what it was. However, I also believe that is on an upcreep.
I am an optimist here. I dig MMO's and I love Star Wars so I am making lemonade out of the lemons we have been given.
-JarheddJedi
ahh jarhedd
Good to see you again!
I let the old game go long ago as well, and I am VERY sympathetic to the situation Blix and team find themselves in. I am just saying that they have not done the best job they could getting out of that situation and many of the hard choices they have made have been the wrong ones -- and those wrong choices stem from the same ethical problems that the old team had.
That is why I don't think it's the teams, it's management -- it's Smed.
I have noticed the same thing has happened with EQ2 (which is actually a good game even if they make the same kinds of mistakes), vanguard, EQ1, and from what I hear, matric online.
SOE just has a shabby set of ethics, and that stuff flows downhill from the man in charge.
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He has every right to say whatever he wants. He has every place to say whatever he wants. As long as this country is free it is always one's place to speak one's mind. Plus, it is easy to check the state of the game -- enough free passes are given out so anyone may try it.
As someone who still plays the game on a fairly regular basis, I'm sorry, I don't see any real turn around. A couple of servers are doing well -- the rest of the place is dying. Every step they take forward, they take two steps back. They still do not care about customer effort, still feel it is okay to erase past achievement by players -- in short they still do not know how to advance a persistent world in a professional manner.
They are failures, plain and simple. They don't know what they are doing. People have every right tp get what enjoyment they can out of it -- I certainly do -- but the game is still a mess.
I recognize that name from the forums. Being a long-time vet I know your opinion lol. I'm not going to argue with you here. We have had enough there and I respect your knowledge. I just see things differently. A long time ago I had to let the old game go. Like you, I am a die-hard Star Wars geek. I can't log in and play a game that I am miserable and pissed off about so I let the old game go.
The current team has been left with the dubious task of working with the mess that was given to them and I believe 100% that they are doing well working with what they where given. The population is a mess without a doubt and will never get back to what it was. However, I also believe that is on an upcreep.
I am an optimist here. I dig MMO's and I love Star Wars so I am making lemonade out of the lemons we have been given.
-JarheddJedi
ahh jarhedd
Good to see you again!
I let the old game go long ago as well, and I am VERY sympathetic to the situation Blix and team find themselves in. I am just saying that they have not done the best job they could getting out of that situation and many of the hard choices they have made have been the wrong ones -- and those wrong choices stem from the same ethical problems that the old team had.
That is why I don't think it's the teams, it's management -- it's Smed.
I have noticed the same thing has happened with EQ2 (which is actually a good game even if they make the same kinds of mistakes), vanguard, EQ1, and from what I hear, matric online.
SOE just has a shabby set of ethics, and that stuff flows downhill from the man in charge.
I won't disagree with you there.
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I won't disagree with you there.
Then why do you defend them?
I won't disagree with you there.
Then why do you defend them?
I defend the current dev team and what they are trying to do for the game.
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I won't disagree with you there.
Then why do you defend them?
I defend the current dev team and what they are trying to do for the game.
The current dev team is responsible for cookie-cutter "heroic" instances, endless collections and now a card game microtransaction scam. What is there to defend?
I won't disagree with you there.
Then why do you defend them?
I defend the current dev team and what they are trying to do for the game.
The current dev team is responsible for cookie-cutter "heroic" instances, endless collections and now a card game microtransaction scam. What is there to defend?
There is no sense in going at each others throats over it. It is my opinion. I will admit that just now, I logged in, stared up the screen then promptly logged out and fired up my 360 to play some madden.
SWG isn't perfect. But it is far better off then it was after the NGE hit.
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Screenshots of 100 people online on Kauri at any given time. I bet you can't provide a screenshot that shows 50 people on Kauri.
You are simply lying to these people. Good posters get banned on here all the time for speaking the truth and you get to stay while you lie about the state of the game. It's ridiculous.
Tecmo Bowl.
Off the top of my head, let's see:
Tabula Rasa-not a complete failure, still has great combat and great content till you get to the end game. Hasn't fallen as far as SWG
Roma Victor-this game never got above 1000players online at once, so yes this was a bigger failure
Vanguard-had a bad launch, Has a good community now
Hellgate London-bad company who didnt know what they were doing
And that Car Racing MMO, I forget the name that shut down a year after it launched.
it was auto assault, and it had a niche community who loved the game. Wasnt much of a failure, it just didnt fit NCsofts standards
alright ill bite
and even still those games havent been out as long as SWG. You would think a game thats been out for FIVE years would be pretty polished and lush with content by now.
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Lets not forget that the mmo under discussion is a STAR WARS mmo with half the subscribers of EVE online which is possibly the most niche mmo out there. The same IP that's probably the largest entertainment franchise in history, that alone means it's a bigger failure than any mmo ever released.
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Very good point Efe. This is what I keep saying too. It is Sony and Star Wars. How can you mess that up? SOE sure can!
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No Longer SWG Free
Well see that's the thing. The solution to figuring out low-population levels has been ongoing for quite some time. As time goes by, more money is lost (server overheard and loss of subscribers). This is the current state: There is a gash on the arm and the bandage won't stop the bleeding. Do you wait and hope that emergency services will arrive in time, or do you apply a tourniquet? (I hate to use such an example)
Now there are details and methods that can be worked out that haven't been mentioned (for that takes time in typing up a long boring post), but an example would be to begin phasing out the servers, one at a time, with the lowest population first. Virtual real-estate is indeed a problem, which is why some other form of compensation should be provided. Heck even add in some fiction or game events... That Evil Empire is conducting purges forcing people to evacuate to other locations.
Yes those people who have to move will be upset and may even want to quit. If SOE/LA want to do it right (this time around as oppose to the NGE), they need to conduct a campaign in providing the user with information of the reasons for the changes and let the users be part of the discussion. There might be a commonality that 80% of the users will accept a server move if they receive 20 million credits (as an example). Will this disrupt the economy of those server, not likely, considering of the gold farmers, and other exploits. This would provide a surge, which will dissipate over time.
Quite right, some work on database would provide great information to work with and that is all it should take. However, since character transfers cost money... I'm thinking that their system is not like other corporate DB systems. There may be a lack of tools, little DB skills and no budget from the management to hire a DB contractor...
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Quite right, some work on database would provide great information to work with and that is all it should take. However, since character transfers cost money... I'm thinking that their system is not like other corporate DB systems. There may be a lack of tools, little DB skills and no budget from the management to hire a DB contractor...
Which is why I'm comfortable saying they just don't care about their players. They admit that all of the servers except for maybe two or three are massively underpopulated but they can't be bothered to do anything about it. Considering how fast they have lost subscribers since the NGE you would think that player retention would become a priority.
Also, don't think that because character transfers cost money that there is anything technically challenging about it. It's just another way to squeeze more money out of their dwindling player base.
Screenshots of 100 people online on Kauri at any given time. I bet you can't provide a screenshot that shows 50 people on Kauri.
You are simply lying to these people. Good posters get banned on here all the time for speaking the truth and you get to stay while you lie about the state of the game. It's ridiculous.
I will be checking the Kauri population at different times during the day today using the new search option, my first check was just now about 11:15am PST there are 54 players that show up on the search.
How I am doing this is by searching by profession and getting the results, for instance in this search the two most popular professions were 15 Commando's and 19 Jedi on the server. This search will not include anyone who's toon is on /anon so it will be a low estimate.
Screenshots of 100 people online on Kauri at any given time. I bet you can't provide a screenshot that shows 50 people on Kauri.
You are simply lying to these people. Good posters get banned on here all the time for speaking the truth and you get to stay while you lie about the state of the game. It's ridiculous.
I will be checking the Kauri population at different times during the day today using the new search option, my first check was just now about 11:15am PST there are 54 players that show up on the search.
How I am doing this is by searching by profession and getting the results, for instance in this search the two most popular professions were 15 Commando's and 19 Jedi on the server. This search will not include anyone who's toon is on /anon so it will be a low estimate.
Can you post a screenshot? I'd like to see what the new search feature looks like.
well i went on corbantis, used the tool and there where 32 players, that was the entire server this was 9pm uk time on the weekend, this tells me one thing the game is in real trouble, i remember when corbantis used to be very busy, and im not falling for the players are hiding in different corners of the universe i went to the bh terminal and there where no bounty's at all.... staggering no PLAYER BOUNTYS AT ALL. so i went to restuss nothing no one i had the entire place to my self .
bah i know there all spy's and there invisable afk at the keyboard! but there honestly whatever
Please note that the tool stops at 32 players.
On Kauri since the population is so low it is easy to just check each profession with out going over the 32 player name limit.
Currently as of 2:30pm PST on Kauri there are 89 players not on /anon on the server.
Umm... less than 100 concurrent players on a MMO server at any time is pretty much the definition of failure. Particularly for a game based on a premium IP.
I'm not saying you are wrong with that statement. I think both possibilities are true; it is a difficult process, or a sneaker net process along with a means to generate more income. Considering that the rate of $15/mo is still the norm... (Why do MMO's go up in price or instantly become F2P over their lifetime, rather than go down in price gradually? Just one of those things to ponder about...)
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
These numbers of active people are ... well ... interesting (sorry for being like Spock).
Each server originally supported 3,500 concurrent users right after launch I think... I forget what the limit went to after the server upgrades, 5,000? Yeah that is a lot of CPU power going to waste.
I know! To help combat global warming by saving the Watt, SOE/LA should shut down the low populated servers! Be Green. Do it to Save The Planet!
(Ok, I'm joking about saving the Watt)
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
These numbers of active people are ... well ... interesting (sorry for being like Spock).
Each server originally supported 3,500 concurrent users right after launch I think... I forget what the limit went to after the server upgrades, 5,000? Yeah that is a lot of CPU power going to waste.
I know! To help combat global warming by saving the Watt, SOE/LA should shut down the low populated servers! Be Green. Do it to Save The Planet!
(Ok, I'm joking about saving the Watt)
The hilarious part about it is, if they took those low pop servers, shut them down, and then re-introduced them as pre-cu or pre-NGE servers, their subscriber base would triple. They are LITERALLY sitting on a money switch, and won't flip it. I am completely dumbfounded by this... How can a company be greedy, and yet not like money at the exact same time?
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Off the top of my head, let's see:
Tabula Rasa
Roma Victor
Vanguard
Hellgate London
And that Car Racing MMO, I forget the name that shut down a year after it launched.
None of those were fairly successful games based upon the largest IP in the history of licensing, then, out of sheer stupidity, completely changes the game. alienating their customers, and lost more than half their playerbase in one idiotic move.
Sorry, none of those comes close.
QFT. Why did anyone even post after this comment.
SWG-NGE is the pinnacle of what not to do in an MMO ***-> AND <-*** how not to treat your customers. There is no bigger example of failure.
I am a bit confused. I thouhgt the OP was talking about Kettemoor, not Kauri?
Anyway, I am playing on Kett and having fun... if you want to give away your stuff OP, I will take it off your hands
Kettemoor is def a small server. But then again, I think it has one of the nicest little communities out there. And I have had toons on several servers...
I do not know if there is any real answer to the server populations. They say they are working on it. The thing is, I think they will just end up doing some kind of cross server instance, and that will not fix the problem.
I will be the first to admit that (especially at the hours I play) Kett is pretty empty. But I would take that handful over several hundred of the asshats I remember from the glory days of Bloodifn. Just my two cents.
Kettemoor was always a great community. One of the biggest things I miss from the game.
Hastor is right though. SOE has been promising to come up with solutions to the population issues for a very long time now and they have already rejected the one sure fire way to address the issue. I wouldn't expect any real and lasting changes on this issue.
I hope none of the SWG NGE players show up in KOTOR. I dont want a community of players from SWG NGE over there. Its immoral and unethical to play SWG and a threat to the genre. And frankly, nge players never learn their lesson.
Oh okay, the devs say low pop is being worked on....LOL....do I need to post the list of lies from SOE again ? And they also promised us that the FRS was being worked on as well. Didnt Smelly himself mention a need for server mergers like 2 yrs ago ? Yeah they'll be fixing your low pop server problems, its called a shutdown.
It doesnt matter if the game is good or bad. The game's current version was created from stolen subscription money. Shame on you for playing.
And the game certainly isnt growing. How many of these silly posts claim growth despite devs admitting the game is dying, and much more evidence. 2-3rd character slots, player transfers, and free trials dont equal growth. If it did, you wouldnt see SOE cutting more staff from SWG and no possibility of an expansion.
I hope none of the SWG NGE players show up in KOTOR. I dont want a community of players from SWG NGE over there. Its immoral and unethical to play SWG and a threat to the genre. And frankly, nge players never learn their lesson.
Oh okay, the devs say low pop is being worked on....LOL....do I need to post the list of lies from SOE again ? And they also promised us that the FRS was being worked on as well. Didnt Smelly himself mention a need for server mergers like 2 yrs ago ? Yeah they'll be fixing your low pop server problems, its called a shutdown.
It doesnt matter if the game is good or bad. The game's current version was created from stolen subscription money. Shame on you for playing.
And the game certainly isnt growing. How many of these silly posts claim growth despite devs admitting the game is dying, and much more evidence. 2-3rd character slots, player transfers, and free trials dont equal growth. If it did, you wouldnt see SOE cutting more staff from SWG and no possibility of an expansion.
It's "immoral and unethical" to play SWG? get some perspective.
You don't like the game. Fine. But to call those who do "immoral and unethical" is bad.
And BTW, I currently play SWG (have for four years), and I will be playing KOTOR. So it looks like you're not going to get your wish.
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