havent there been about 4 darkfall beta signups? i wouldnt get too excited lads.
1 beta signup if i remember correctly.
And you guys have really lost touch with the MMO community. You should be PRAISING companies like this when they own up and say hey our game sucks right now, we could do better, and instead of putting this game out there and getting some income we are going to delay (or totally start over in DF's case) and do it right.
But hey if you like getting treated like AoC treated us, by all means, keep putting down games like DF for their decision.
I applauded WAR for how they handled the announcement that they were cutting classes. Absolutly profesional and even though they had my full respect already, they got even more of it somehow.
Not sure why DF scares people like it does, i mean its only vapor right? right...
I think you are misunderstanding the whole situation, praising goes to when a company says "sorry we gotta give it another 6 months we need to polish out some more features" while this happens there is usually a closed beta happening already and they need more time, on DF's case they announced a release date -> 3 YEARS AGO<- then they announced a BETA and it was all a lie, now im gonna go with your delusion and agree that they decided they needed more time, EVEN if this was the case a company that announced a game 3 Years Before its ready is just a company that doesnt have a clue of WTF they are doing. Also if it was just to "polish " the game they would have released a gameplay video ages ago.
DF just shows how desperate the MMO community is, these people (Tasos & aventurine[if it even exists]) know how powerfull their concept is, no matter what they give out to the community everyone will be pretty excited about and they take advantage of that, but you will realize either when this game Launches or when it Doesnt , because even if it does there is no WAY its gonna have all of its concepts functioning.
The era of people coding good games with their mates in a dorm is gone, (I hate to bring WoW to the mix but its such a good example) do you think a company that's been delaying their release for the past 5-6 years promising betas, has absolutely no exterior financing, besides a Bank Loan the fanbois claim they had is gonna compete with a 50-60 Million dollar project? Think again.
Stopped reading here.
If people really can entertain the idea that DF is an elaborate hoax...and that the 17min video we just saw, and all the people running the official website are just in it for the money...oh wait they wont be getting any $ from us until we play the game...then you have just completely gone off the deep end.
And they restarted in 2003, its fact. The company, razorwax, was developing the game and then it completely broke off and Aventurine took over.
Occam's razor people...look it up.,
See you in game.
Lets put it this way, if Aventurine comes up with a Darkfall Online box with just a broken game you and other delusional fanbois will just buy it, thats all im trying to say, if you see darkfall online tomorrow on the shelves you WILL buy it, this is why Tasos continues to manipulate people like yourself because when its time to release he knows there will be people blindly buying it and ofc they will make some money out of it, sorry if you lack the common sense to realize this.
Anyway im off this discussion its pointless and i hope you enjoy DF, now stop posting on every other game forums and go post on your own DF forum, people here dont wanna hear about DF and Tasos delusions.
Only been posting in DF forums, until i saw this thread with DF in the name of it on the main page. So thanks but dont need your advice.
And again, you pretty much just reworded things and still said hey this thing may be a big ol scam for money. simply amazing...and you talk about common sense....wowy
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
If this game is sure to succeed like every fanboi posting here says then why would they have to come here and preach about it? this is beyond me... If DF is such a solid non-vapoware game why do the fanbois have to keep fighting saying "its not vaporware.. you watched the video... look at the evidence" why would you do this? isnt it enough YOU knowing for sure its gonna be released and its gonna be awesome you have to come here and try to "convert" everyone to the belief DF is gonna be better than WAR lol.
If your looking for approval you came to the wrong place no one here is gonna say "you were right its gonna be awesome" besides the usual fanbois.
Now have fun with your game, im sure am gonna have alot of fun in WAR.
Firstly people if you do not want to read another War vs <insert other game title here> thread then ..... don't read it ! Strange concept I know but hey it stops people who are interested from having to disover the fact that words cause you pain. Now back to this discussion. As has been previously mentioned Warhammer Online and Darkfall are two totaly different games. That said heres my own intake on the matter :- Warhammer Pros Coming out very soon Has been through Beta and we all know whats coming Solid purpose behind the PvP with definate goals and objectives. theres a good reasn for hunting down your enemies and making them bleed from their ears. looks like fun and has a certain element of humour built in to counter the intrinsic darkness of the subject matter Warhammer Cons You will be limited, this isn't FFA irs RvR and as such your controled in who and what you can attack The world may feel small as the intention is to get you to the fights as quickly as possible BUT I ahve no idea how large the actual zones are Darkfall Pros Limitless FFA PvP if you don't like him you can kill him Large world filled with quests and areas to explore Darkfall Cons Unlimited PvP in a FFA format yes this is both a pro AND a con just look at what happened in the FFA areas in AoC to understand how bad this can be if not managed correctly Vaporware the fact that these promises have all been heard before and came to nothing is remembered its going to take more than a video to convince people they are serious now Just as War is possibly going to be considered to small. Darkfall may possibly be considered to large however like War the proof is in the pudding until we can actually feel the scale we can't really say either way. Pros on both sides Both have a fanbase which will allow them a actual chance to prove their credentials Both have graphics which look reasonably good Both offer the ability to customise your toon to match your laying style Cons on both sides Both have a fanbase which is extremely hostile to new ideas and the idea that their chosen game isnt the second coming of WoW. In Conclusion Lets give them both a chance they are different enough that they will not be in compertition with each other and their release dates are far enough apart that it won't be a one or the other decision to buy. just my 2 cents Gadareth ps. if you read all of this well done have a cookie
give yourself one as well for writing such a good post.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
If this game is sure to succeed like every fanboi posting here says then why would they have to come here and preach about it? this is beyond me... If DF is such a solid non-vapoware game why do the fanbois have to keep fighting saying "its not vaporware.. you watched the video... look at the evidence" why would you do this? isnt it enough YOU knowing for sure its gonna be released and its gonna be awesome you have to come here and try to "convert" everyone to the belief DF is gonna be better than WAR lol. If your looking for approval you came to the wrong place no one here is gonna say "you were right its gonna be awesome" besides the usual fanbois. Now have fun with your game, im sure am gonna have alot of fun in WAR. Out of here.
lot of self control you have...did you already say you were done here?
anyways no one needs your approval, stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Also plenty of people have already done a 180 and said hey you were right, i just needed proof which i got with the video. but hey to each his own.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
I didnt expect this thread to be this....civilized! Maybe im used to the trolls and morons in the DF section always destroying every thread in two seconds.
Still, its great that we might get TWO PvP MMOs "soon", WAR and DF will fill every part of the PvP communitys dreams.
So we should be happy for these two games. And it even makes the number of idiotes in your game lesser. Since they can choose another if they dont like "yours".
Darkfall just released a new 17 minute video. It has some cool stuff. Ship battles, floating platforms to attack player built cities. It looks a lot better than WAR at this point. And i prefer the realistic graphics to this cartoony stuff . Of course we will have to see how beta goes
How you compare so different games. One is Sandbox and the other is Theme Park. Its like to compare alcohol with chocolate!
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration ______\m/_____ LordOfDarkDesire
Lets put it this way, if Aventurine comes up with a Darkfall Online box with just a broken game you and other delusional fanbois will just buy it, thats all im trying to say, if you see darkfall online tomorrow on the shelves you WILL buy it, this is why Tasos continues to manipulate people like yourself because when its time to release he knows there will be people blindly buying it and ofc they will make some money out of it, sorry if you lack the common sense to realize this.
Anyway im off this discussion its pointless and i hope you enjoy DF, now stop posting on every other game forums and go post on your own DF forum, people here dont wanna hear about DF and Tasos delusions.
If you checked the OP's posting history, you would know he's not exactly a DF fanboi. Im not sure what his agenda is, but it sure isn't to promote DF over WAR. As for your Tasos rant, it's both disturbing and disrespectful. These guys have worked hard with few resources over a long time to bring skillbased, sandbox games to a marked that favors levelbased, themepark games. They deserve better than that.
I agree on discussing DF here is not good, but again we don't know the OP's motivation for posting here. So, can we get a lock or let this thread sink into oblivion ? Comparing alppes and oranges is a futile exercise and will only bring flaming.
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Ok... Haven't seen anything of darkfall before now, but all the time watching that all I could think was; LOL, that so looks like one of those dodgy MMOs you see in TV shows like CSI.
If that video is in any way represenitive of the final look / gameplay of darkfall, then sorry, but I'll take WAR over that any day.
Not sure why DF scares people like it does, i mean its only vapor right? right...
darkfall scares people? wtf?????
firstly, i'm pro-gamer, not pro-specific-game. if a game is fun, i'm all for it. if a game is crap, i'm not for it. if a gaming company does right by it's customers, i'm all for them. if a gaming company does their (potential) customers wrong, i'm very much not for them.
but, at least you now understand darkfall is vaporware.
Vaporware is a somewhat derogatory term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar software/hardware product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
it is the epitomy of the definition of vaporware.
Cant take credit for this because Xris did it in the DF forum...but yea see the highlighted part and feel free to apologize.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
God, I'm sorry for reiterating what's been said before, but when I was told on my guild's IRC this morning that people were comparing DF to WAR I audibly went 'WTF?' and had to duck for cover from my parents.
How. The. Hell. Can you compare a Triple A-Themepark-RvR-MMO, being devloped by the company that basically perfected RvR based on an IP so rich and plentiful you could start reading now and still be reading 4-5 years from now, to an Indie-devloped FFAPvP sandbox that's still vaporware 5 years into it's 'devlopment'? I don't understand the motivations behind comparing acutal gameplay elements in a game that's releasing in just under two weeks, to one that for the first time in 5 years released a video longer than like, three minutes.
Sure, DF might be the second coming for you hardcore FFAers, but simply put - it sure as hell won't compete with WAR. I wish you all the best in it, and I'll probably be seeing you guys in it to... If it ever releases...
Darkfall just released a new 17 minute video. It has some cool stuff. Ship battles, floating platforms to attack player built cities. It looks a lot better than WAR at this point. And i prefer the realistic graphics to this cartoony stuff . Of course we will have to see how beta goes
I dunno man, the tank in the front running around with a spatula reminds me of spongebob squarepants trying to flip Crabby Patties.
Seriously the graphics don't impress me much at all and unless it has RVR like Warhammer I could care less. WoW has PVP and that game was not on my go to list. Could be it's just the youtube vid (I watched the HQ versions) but I expected AoC quality graphics and what I saw was WoW w/proper shadows.
Have you read anything about Darkfall at all? The reason why people are excited about it is because it is a skill based game that allows the players to do pretty much whatever they like and attack whoever they choose. Will it have RvR like Warhammer? No it wont.......it will have RvR that is MUCH better than anything Warhammer can offer. It is offering a hell of a lot more freedom. Not meaning to be rude but wouldnt it be a good idea to know a little bit about the game before writing about it?
However it does unfortunately look like crap. Well.......mostly anyway. I thought some aspects of the game looked quite nice, such as the mounted combat in which the mounts seemed to be rather well animated and looked fairly realistic.
In WAR you are extremely limited in what you can be and do. Everyone has to pick a class so there are lots of Bright Wizards, lots of Marauders, lots of Gobbo Shamans etc etc. Every class has its own play-style with a limited amount of variation so its very cookie-cutter. In Darkfall you dont have a class as its all skill based so you can create your own character and make it whatever you like.
Basicly the difference between the two games is that Darkfall offers variety while WAR does not. Unfortunately the flipside of that seems to be that WAR is a released, polished game with decent graphics and a team of trustworthy & reliable developers behind it while Darkfall doesnt look very good and its developers have a terrible reputation........plus the fact that Darkfall has not been released yet so it could still easily fall flat on its face.
ps. Something I do like about Darkfall though is the way combat damage shows on your character. Thats pretty neat.
Exactly and I would be willing to bet it all that it will be another 2-8 untill it finially gets released.
To put it simply this trash is Vaporware nothing else.
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The fact that any DF fan has the audacity to make bold and outlandish claims about a game they haven't even spent 1 minute with is priceless.
Additionally, the number of attacks by those same players, against ones with clearer heads is mind boggling.
(DF might be the best MMO ever created, however, anyone that knows a bit of history surrounding game development and MMO development can easily see all of the warning signs. )
Granted, all of the negativity coming from the other side of the aisle isn't necessary either. We know nothing about the game really, and shouldn't be so quick to judge.
HOWEVER....
Most games that have been developed with so little transparency between the developer and the player have turned out to be stinkers.
Will DF follow that same pattern? Impossible to say..
The averages say yes, the game will suck. It will claim to do so many things, yet do none of them well. DF will claim to be the ultimate sandbox MMO while the developers have either proven they don't have a legitmate gameplan, or they lack the funding to realize their "vision."
Is the above a fact? No. Is it more than likely how things will play out? Yes.
Have you read anything about Darkfall at all? The reason why people are excited about it is because it is a skill based game that allows the players to do pretty much whatever they like and attack whoever they choose. Will it have RvR like Warhammer? No it wont.......it will have RvR that is MUCH better than anything Warhammer can offer. It is offering a hell of a lot more freedom. Not meaning to be rude but wouldnt it be a good idea to know a little bit about the game before writing about it? However it does unfortunately look like crap. Well.......mostly anyway. I thought some aspects of the game looked quite nice, such as the mounted combat in which the mounts seemed to be rather well animated and looked fairly realistic. In WAR you are extremely limited in what you can be and do. Everyone has to pick a class so there are lots of Bright Wizards, lots of Marauders, lots of Gobbo Shamans etc etc. Every class has its own play-style with a limited amount of variation so its very cookie-cutter. In Darkfall you dont have a class as its all skill based so you can create your own character and make it whatever you like. Basicly the difference between the two games is that Darkfall offers variety while WAR does not. Unfortunately the flipside of that seems to be that WAR is a released, polished game with decent graphics and a team of trustworthy & reliable developers behind it while Darkfall doesnt look very good and its developers have a terrible reputation........plus the fact that Darkfall has not been released yet so it could still easily fall flat on its face. ps. Something I do like about Darkfall though is the way combat damage shows on your character. Thats pretty neat.
were you in special learning classes while in school? there is no proof that this game will do anything better than WAR. have you played the beta? just because you got your horrible movie released yesteday means nothing. WAR is a real game, with a release date. I dont know how darkfall is out of alpha testing, it is the worse looking mmo i have ever seen, and almost the worst looking game i have ever seen to be released.
Congrats to Darkfall for making it to Alpha phase!
Seriously though, it wasnt quite as bad as some people say. I mean I can see the potential. But seriously this game has MMMMMIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLEEEEEESSSSSSSS to go.
-Character Models need to be redone, modelling, texturing, armor sets. They look like something out of Unreal 1 (1999).
-Graphics Engine needs a huge boost in power.
-Particle Effects, fine thats polish, but they look crap and the magic system just looks like pew pew fireballs only...
-No UI footage/indication of how combat works. Just random footage.
Seriously if they release in 2008 the game is destined to fail. Hard. Unless they adopt a F2P model. No one would pay monthly for a game in this state.
Currently waiting for the MMO industry to put out something good.
Have you read anything about Darkfall at all? The reason why people are excited about it is because it is a skill based game that allows the players to do pretty much whatever they like and attack whoever they choose. Will it have RvR like Warhammer? No it wont.......it will have RvR that is MUCH better than anything Warhammer can offer. It is offering a hell of a lot more freedom. Not meaning to be rude but wouldnt it be a good idea to know a little bit about the game before writing about it? However it does unfortunately look like crap. Well.......mostly anyway. I thought some aspects of the game looked quite nice, such as the mounted combat in which the mounts seemed to be rather well animated and looked fairly realistic. In WAR you are extremely limited in what you can be and do. Everyone has to pick a class so there are lots of Bright Wizards, lots of Marauders, lots of Gobbo Shamans etc etc. Every class has its own play-style with a limited amount of variation so its very cookie-cutter. In Darkfall you dont have a class as its all skill based so you can create your own character and make it whatever you like. Basicly the difference between the two games is that Darkfall offers variety while WAR does not. Unfortunately the flipside of that seems to be that WAR is a released, polished game with decent graphics and a team of trustworthy & reliable developers behind it while Darkfall doesnt look very good and its developers have a terrible reputation........plus the fact that Darkfall has not been released yet so it could still easily fall flat on its face. ps. Something I do like about Darkfall though is the way combat damage shows on your character. Thats pretty neat.
were you in special learning classes while in school? there is no proof that this game will do anything better than WAR. have you played the beta? just because you got your horrible movie released yesteday means nothing. WAR is a real game, with a release date. I dont know how darkfall is out of alpha testing, it is the worse looking mmo i have ever seen, and almost the worst looking game i have ever seen to be released.
No I wasnt. Why? Do I remind you of someone you used to sit next to?
But yeah fair enough I did make quite a few comments as though they were statements which was rather silly of me. OK so it "might" have a better RvR system than WAR "if" it does what it proposes to do.
I love the way you refer to it as MY horrible movie though, as though I am one of the Darkfall fanboys. I'm not a fan of either of the two games actually but I suppose I just prefer what Darkfall is attempting to do thats all........not that I think it is going to actually be better than WAR. Lets face it.....on the visual side Darkfall looks like a pile of outdated junk. If it looks anything close to that state if it ever gets released then there is obviously no competition at all......and yes graphics DO matter despite what some people might say. Also the fact that Darkfall has taken 8 years and looks so out of date doesnt say much for the skills of its developers. WAR might not be all that original but it seems to be working well, it looks good and it has a team of reliable developers behind it. Although I support Darkfalls ambitious attempt, I think it is unlikely it will do well.
Darkfall just released a new 17 minute video. It has some cool stuff. Ship battles, floating platforms to attack player built cities. It looks a lot better than WAR at this point. And i prefer the realistic graphics to this cartoony stuff . Of course we will have to see how beta goes
Fancy graphics with poor character animations. You didn't run the ground just slid underneath you. Combat was very slow. It needs a lot of work before it's released.
Darkfall just released a new 17 minute video. It has some cool stuff. Ship battles, floating platforms to attack player built cities. It looks a lot better than WAR at this point. And i prefer the realistic graphics to this cartoony stuff . Of course we will have to see how beta goes
Fancy graphics with poor character animations. You didn't run the ground just slid underneath you. Combat was very slow. It needs a lot of work before it's released.
there ws only alil bit of that but it needs some work yes
Darkfall just released a new 17 minute video. It has some cool stuff. Ship battles, floating platforms to attack player built cities. It looks a lot better than WAR at this point. And i prefer the realistic graphics to this cartoony stuff . Of course we will have to see how beta goes
Fancy graphics with poor character animations. You didn't run the ground just slid underneath you. Combat was very slow. It needs a lot of work before it's released.
Slow combat? care to give some reasoning so we know what to look for?
Yea you cant target someone and first off a few homing arrows or fireballs and 3 or 4 shot him...it takes sec to line up your shots, or get to him if your melee. But the video showed some really fast fights that were over in a few hits.
The best was the knockback off the cliff and archer in the tree
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Darkfall just released a new 17 minute video. It has some cool stuff. Ship battles, floating platforms to attack player built cities. It looks a lot better than WAR at this point. And i prefer the realistic graphics to this cartoony stuff . Of course we will have to see how beta goes
In complete and utter honesty, I can swear to you that Sherwood was what I thought of when I saw those graphics and those animations, and that was literally my first MMO.
Darkfall has some pretty big promises, but I can almost gurantee you that it won't live up to all of them. It might live up to all the ones that you savour, but not all of them. WAR on the other hand can prolly promise all it's good for, I hope so I put alot of time and money for hoping in this game. WAR is like a hardcore pvp game while Darkfall is like a diplomatic, sandbox styled pvp, can't really compare the two that much.
Darkfall just released a new 17 minute video. It has some cool stuff. Ship battles, floating platforms to attack player built cities. It looks a lot better than WAR at this point. And i prefer the realistic graphics to this cartoony stuff . Of course we will have to see how beta goes
Fancy graphics with poor character animations. You didn't run the ground just slid underneath you. Combat was very slow. It needs a lot of work before it's released.
Waited years to see this and it's disappointing to say the least.
Gameplay looks very poor, twitchy and uncoordinated, animations are terrible and the whole thing looks like every other fantasy mmorpg out there.
Can't believe anyone thinks the graphics depicted in the video are good or realistic, they just aren't.
Big question is why are people comparing WAR to DF? WAR will be hugely successful, STILL no-one actually knows anything tangible about DF to make any comparisons. I get sick of reading "prove it" posts. Why can't we keep DF on the DF forums and the WAR forums free from jealous invasions? Mods?
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
I think it's hilarious that towers just go poof when destroyed.
Yeah! I was wondering about that myself.
But when all players can build and design uniq buildings in thier citys, there might not a be a physics engine (yet) that can make everyone of those fall apart just the right way?
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1 beta signup if i remember correctly.
And you guys have really lost touch with the MMO community. You should be PRAISING companies like this when they own up and say hey our game sucks right now, we could do better, and instead of putting this game out there and getting some income we are going to delay (or totally start over in DF's case) and do it right.
But hey if you like getting treated like AoC treated us, by all means, keep putting down games like DF for their decision.
I applauded WAR for how they handled the announcement that they were cutting classes. Absolutly profesional and even though they had my full respect already, they got even more of it somehow.
Not sure why DF scares people like it does, i mean its only vapor right? right...
I think you are misunderstanding the whole situation, praising goes to when a company says "sorry we gotta give it another 6 months we need to polish out some more features" while this happens there is usually a closed beta happening already and they need more time, on DF's case they announced a release date -> 3 YEARS AGO<- then they announced a BETA and it was all a lie, now im gonna go with your delusion and agree that they decided they needed more time, EVEN if this was the case a company that announced a game 3 Years Before its ready is just a company that doesnt have a clue of WTF they are doing. Also if it was just to "polish " the game they would have released a gameplay video ages ago.
DF just shows how desperate the MMO community is, these people (Tasos & aventurine[if it even exists]) know how powerfull their concept is, no matter what they give out to the community everyone will be pretty excited about and they take advantage of that, but you will realize either when this game Launches or when it Doesnt , because even if it does there is no WAY its gonna have all of its concepts functioning.
The era of people coding good games with their mates in a dorm is gone, (I hate to bring WoW to the mix but its such a good example) do you think a company that's been delaying their release for the past 5-6 years promising betas, has absolutely no exterior financing, besides a Bank Loan the fanbois claim they had is gonna compete with a 50-60 Million dollar project? Think again.
Stopped reading here.
If people really can entertain the idea that DF is an elaborate hoax...and that the 17min video we just saw, and all the people running the official website are just in it for the money...oh wait they wont be getting any $ from us until we play the game...then you have just completely gone off the deep end.
And they restarted in 2003, its fact. The company, razorwax, was developing the game and then it completely broke off and Aventurine took over.
Occam's razor people...look it up.,
See you in game.
Lets put it this way, if Aventurine comes up with a Darkfall Online box with just a broken game you and other delusional fanbois will just buy it, thats all im trying to say, if you see darkfall online tomorrow on the shelves you WILL buy it, this is why Tasos continues to manipulate people like yourself because when its time to release he knows there will be people blindly buying it and ofc they will make some money out of it, sorry if you lack the common sense to realize this.
Anyway im off this discussion its pointless and i hope you enjoy DF, now stop posting on every other game forums and go post on your own DF forum, people here dont wanna hear about DF and Tasos delusions.
Only been posting in DF forums, until i saw this thread with DF in the name of it on the main page. So thanks but dont need your advice.
And again, you pretty much just reworded things and still said hey this thing may be a big ol scam for money. simply amazing...and you talk about common sense....wowy
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
If this game is sure to succeed like every fanboi posting here says then why would they have to come here and preach about it? this is beyond me... If DF is such a solid non-vapoware game why do the fanbois have to keep fighting saying "its not vaporware.. you watched the video... look at the evidence" why would you do this? isnt it enough YOU knowing for sure its gonna be released and its gonna be awesome you have to come here and try to "convert" everyone to the belief DF is gonna be better than WAR lol.
If your looking for approval you came to the wrong place no one here is gonna say "you were right its gonna be awesome" besides the usual fanbois.
Now have fun with your game, im sure am gonna have alot of fun in WAR.
Out of here.
give yourself one as well for writing such a good post.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
lot of self control you have...did you already say you were done here?
anyways no one needs your approval, stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Also plenty of people have already done a 180 and said hey you were right, i just needed proof which i got with the video. but hey to each his own.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
I didnt expect this thread to be this....civilized! Maybe im used to the trolls and morons in the DF section always destroying every thread in two seconds.
Still, its great that we might get TWO PvP MMOs "soon", WAR and DF will fill every part of the PvP communitys dreams.
So we should be happy for these two games. And it even makes the number of idiotes in your game lesser. Since they can choose another if they dont like "yours".
How you compare so different games. One is Sandbox and the other is Theme Park. Its like to compare alcohol with chocolate!
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
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Lets put it this way, if Aventurine comes up with a Darkfall Online box with just a broken game you and other delusional fanbois will just buy it, thats all im trying to say, if you see darkfall online tomorrow on the shelves you WILL buy it, this is why Tasos continues to manipulate people like yourself because when its time to release he knows there will be people blindly buying it and ofc they will make some money out of it, sorry if you lack the common sense to realize this.
Anyway im off this discussion its pointless and i hope you enjoy DF, now stop posting on every other game forums and go post on your own DF forum, people here dont wanna hear about DF and Tasos delusions.
If you checked the OP's posting history, you would know he's not exactly a DF fanboi. Im not sure what his agenda is, but it sure isn't to promote DF over WAR. As for your Tasos rant, it's both disturbing and disrespectful. These guys have worked hard with few resources over a long time to bring skillbased, sandbox games to a marked that favors levelbased, themepark games. They deserve better than that.
I agree on discussing DF here is not good, but again we don't know the OP's motivation for posting here. So, can we get a lock or let this thread sink into oblivion ? Comparing alppes and oranges is a futile exercise and will only bring flaming.
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Ok... Haven't seen anything of darkfall before now, but all the time watching that all I could think was; LOL, that so looks like one of those dodgy MMOs you see in TV shows like CSI.
If that video is in any way represenitive of the final look / gameplay of darkfall, then sorry, but I'll take WAR over that any day.
darkfall scares people? wtf?????
firstly, i'm pro-gamer, not pro-specific-game. if a game is fun, i'm all for it. if a game is crap, i'm not for it. if a gaming company does right by it's customers, i'm all for them. if a gaming company does their (potential) customers wrong, i'm very much not for them.
but, at least you now understand darkfall is vaporware.
Vaporware is a somewhat derogatory term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar software/hardware product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
it is the epitomy of the definition of vaporware.
Cant take credit for this because Xris did it in the DF forum...but yea see the highlighted part and feel free to apologize.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
God, I'm sorry for reiterating what's been said before, but when I was told on my guild's IRC this morning that people were comparing DF to WAR I audibly went 'WTF?' and had to duck for cover from my parents.
How. The. Hell. Can you compare a Triple A-Themepark-RvR-MMO, being devloped by the company that basically perfected RvR based on an IP so rich and plentiful you could start reading now and still be reading 4-5 years from now, to an Indie-devloped FFAPvP sandbox that's still vaporware 5 years into it's 'devlopment'? I don't understand the motivations behind comparing acutal gameplay elements in a game that's releasing in just under two weeks, to one that for the first time in 5 years released a video longer than like, three minutes.
Sure, DF might be the second coming for you hardcore FFAers, but simply put - it sure as hell won't compete with WAR. I wish you all the best in it, and I'll probably be seeing you guys in it to... If it ever releases...
I dunno man, the tank in the front running around with a spatula reminds me of spongebob squarepants trying to flip Crabby Patties.
Seriously the graphics don't impress me much at all and unless it has RVR like Warhammer I could care less. WoW has PVP and that game was not on my go to list. Could be it's just the youtube vid (I watched the HQ versions) but I expected AoC quality graphics and what I saw was WoW w/proper shadows.
Have you read anything about Darkfall at all? The reason why people are excited about it is because it is a skill based game that allows the players to do pretty much whatever they like and attack whoever they choose. Will it have RvR like Warhammer? No it wont.......it will have RvR that is MUCH better than anything Warhammer can offer. It is offering a hell of a lot more freedom. Not meaning to be rude but wouldnt it be a good idea to know a little bit about the game before writing about it?
However it does unfortunately look like crap. Well.......mostly anyway. I thought some aspects of the game looked quite nice, such as the mounted combat in which the mounts seemed to be rather well animated and looked fairly realistic.
In WAR you are extremely limited in what you can be and do. Everyone has to pick a class so there are lots of Bright Wizards, lots of Marauders, lots of Gobbo Shamans etc etc. Every class has its own play-style with a limited amount of variation so its very cookie-cutter. In Darkfall you dont have a class as its all skill based so you can create your own character and make it whatever you like.
Basicly the difference between the two games is that Darkfall offers variety while WAR does not. Unfortunately the flipside of that seems to be that WAR is a released, polished game with decent graphics and a team of trustworthy & reliable developers behind it while Darkfall doesnt look very good and its developers have a terrible reputation........plus the fact that Darkfall has not been released yet so it could still easily fall flat on its face.
ps. Something I do like about Darkfall though is the way combat damage shows on your character. Thats pretty neat.
Exactly and I would be willing to bet it all that it will be another 2-8 untill it finially gets released.
To put it simply this trash is Vaporware nothing else.
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The fact that any DF fan has the audacity to make bold and outlandish claims about a game they haven't even spent 1 minute with is priceless.
Additionally, the number of attacks by those same players, against ones with clearer heads is mind boggling.
(DF might be the best MMO ever created, however, anyone that knows a bit of history surrounding game development and MMO development can easily see all of the warning signs. )
Granted, all of the negativity coming from the other side of the aisle isn't necessary either. We know nothing about the game really, and shouldn't be so quick to judge.
HOWEVER....
Most games that have been developed with so little transparency between the developer and the player have turned out to be stinkers.
Will DF follow that same pattern? Impossible to say..
The averages say yes, the game will suck. It will claim to do so many things, yet do none of them well. DF will claim to be the ultimate sandbox MMO while the developers have either proven they don't have a legitmate gameplan, or they lack the funding to realize their "vision."
Is the above a fact? No. Is it more than likely how things will play out? Yes.
were you in special learning classes while in school? there is no proof that this game will do anything better than WAR. have you played the beta? just because you got your horrible movie released yesteday means nothing. WAR is a real game, with a release date. I dont know how darkfall is out of alpha testing, it is the worse looking mmo i have ever seen, and almost the worst looking game i have ever seen to be released.
Congrats to Darkfall for making it to Alpha phase!
Seriously though, it wasnt quite as bad as some people say. I mean I can see the potential. But seriously this game has MMMMMIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLEEEEEESSSSSSSS to go.
-Character Models need to be redone, modelling, texturing, armor sets. They look like something out of Unreal 1 (1999).
-Graphics Engine needs a huge boost in power.
-Particle Effects, fine thats polish, but they look crap and the magic system just looks like pew pew fireballs only...
-No UI footage/indication of how combat works. Just random footage.
Seriously if they release in 2008 the game is destined to fail. Hard. Unless they adopt a F2P model. No one would pay monthly for a game in this state.
Hmm, looks like it would be a really nice game to play...
In 1975...
were you in special learning classes while in school? there is no proof that this game will do anything better than WAR. have you played the beta? just because you got your horrible movie released yesteday means nothing. WAR is a real game, with a release date. I dont know how darkfall is out of alpha testing, it is the worse looking mmo i have ever seen, and almost the worst looking game i have ever seen to be released.
No I wasnt. Why? Do I remind you of someone you used to sit next to?
But yeah fair enough I did make quite a few comments as though they were statements which was rather silly of me. OK so it "might" have a better RvR system than WAR "if" it does what it proposes to do.
I love the way you refer to it as MY horrible movie though, as though I am one of the Darkfall fanboys. I'm not a fan of either of the two games actually but I suppose I just prefer what Darkfall is attempting to do thats all........not that I think it is going to actually be better than WAR. Lets face it.....on the visual side Darkfall looks like a pile of outdated junk. If it looks anything close to that state if it ever gets released then there is obviously no competition at all......and yes graphics DO matter despite what some people might say. Also the fact that Darkfall has taken 8 years and looks so out of date doesnt say much for the skills of its developers. WAR might not be all that original but it seems to be working well, it looks good and it has a team of reliable developers behind it. Although I support Darkfalls ambitious attempt, I think it is unlikely it will do well.
Fancy graphics with poor character animations. You didn't run the ground just slid underneath you. Combat was very slow. It needs a lot of work before it's released.
Fancy graphics with poor character animations. You didn't run the ground just slid underneath you. Combat was very slow. It needs a lot of work before it's released.
there ws only alil bit of that but it needs some work yes
Fancy graphics with poor character animations. You didn't run the ground just slid underneath you. Combat was very slow. It needs a lot of work before it's released.
Slow combat? care to give some reasoning so we know what to look for?
Yea you cant target someone and first off a few homing arrows or fireballs and 3 or 4 shot him...it takes sec to line up your shots, or get to him if your melee. But the video showed some really fast fights that were over in a few hits.
The best was the knockback off the cliff and archer in the tree
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
I can tell you what the graphics and animation remind me of.....no i'll do better I'll show you what it reminds me of..... www.startgames.ws/play/games/sherwood.html
In complete and utter honesty, I can swear to you that Sherwood was what I thought of when I saw those graphics and those animations, and that was literally my first MMO.
This is not a game.
Darkfall has some pretty big promises, but I can almost gurantee you that it won't live up to all of them. It might live up to all the ones that you savour, but not all of them. WAR on the other hand can prolly promise all it's good for, I hope so I put alot of time and money for hoping in this game. WAR is like a hardcore pvp game while Darkfall is like a diplomatic, sandbox styled pvp, can't really compare the two that much.
Fancy graphics with poor character animations. You didn't run the ground just slid underneath you. Combat was very slow. It needs a lot of work before it's released.
Waited years to see this and it's disappointing to say the least.
Gameplay looks very poor, twitchy and uncoordinated, animations are terrible and the whole thing looks like every other fantasy mmorpg out there.
Can't believe anyone thinks the graphics depicted in the video are good or realistic, they just aren't.
Big question is why are people comparing WAR to DF? WAR will be hugely successful, STILL no-one actually knows anything tangible about DF to make any comparisons. I get sick of reading "prove it" posts. Why can't we keep DF on the DF forums and the WAR forums free from jealous invasions? Mods?
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
I think it's hilarious that towers just go poof when destroyed.
Yeah! I was wondering about that myself.
But when all players can build and design uniq buildings in thier citys, there might not a be a physics engine (yet) that can make everyone of those fall apart just the right way?
So they went with this instead?