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ah so i have decided not to buy this game
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yeah. i gess i wated for nothing hehe
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Sgtfrog, the OP has a good point about the leveling process, but I think he/she did not make it clear enough. Leveling in war is....easy.
It is so easy that you can constantly que for a scenario (rvr) the second you log into the game and gain experience while doing it.
The game is so easy that your character's stats are adjusted in scenarios so that you aren't at a disadvantage.
The game is so easy that when you receive a quest, your map highlights the region where you should go to complete said quest.
The game is so easy that, for the most part, gear doesn't matter as much as level.
I like the game because I like rvr but I can definitely see why players would not like the war.
How would getting to know your class improve by getting an skill one week at a time? This would only make it harder to master you class. Mastering a class can only be done with the full skill set and it looks to me it will take a while to really master one class to an point you are extreamly effective. Then again you say it yourself. In two weeks you not know how the hell to use your charater, is that not the point to learn then in the proces of "Knowing and mastering" your class? Why would it matter how many skills you have while being in this process?
Maybe this is what I like about the game. With work and a family I just can't be the hardcore gamer that once graced this keyboard.
I find your reason a pretty sad excuse ( oh boy I seem to be using this allot this morning...Meh)
Who is forcing you to speed lvl? the game?, afcourse not, you do understand that the only one who will force you to speed lvl is YOU and YOU only, not a game, not it's company, not the progression path, just YOU.
Also try spending some time on forums and you will see and learn that waiting for a game for such a long time has never proven to be the best way as most who are waiting for such a long time proof on forums to be the once who mostly become disappointed with such games. The longer people are waiting for a game ot be released the higher and more unrealistic their expectations seem to become.
nope. the developers said that they want people to get to forty as fast as posible..
they said that they dont want to people to spend mush time levelling they want them to spend it all in the higher tears
So basicly you are saying that what ever developers say you will force yourself to p[lay how they want it?
Anyway good luck on waiting for yet another game, hope it will satisfied your gaming needs, but keep in mind what I said, the longer people WAIT on a game the more change such game might end up disappointed, aspecialy when you let other deciede HOW you are going to play in your case you seem to do what developers tell you to do, well in this case you choice not to do what developers said, but even if you would play WAR you still don't have to lvl within a few weeks.
I heard the same with AoC yet in the 3 months I played the game after release my max character was only lvl 48, where numerous others had cap lvl'd to 80 in a few weeks or within a month or two, and again who did we see complaining, yup those who rushed thru the game to cap lvl, maybe also because some need their handhold which will get you to max lvl in no time, many experiance'd mmorpg players don't need theiur handhold so they spend the time inside such game HOW they please and not how developers tell them to play it.
Well, I really don't think you can get to 40 that quickly, and even if you do there's still the RvR levels. In any case, I understand your decision. I used to love epic character development, but I simply don't have the time anymore. In WAR I can take all the time I want, and still contribute in a large way no matter what level I am. There really is no rush.
Good luck in Aion. It seemed like a great game to me at first, but after the last few videos I've lost interest and decided to stick with WAR.
Waiting for Fallen Earth, World of Darkness, Old Republic, FFXIV
This is an issue for me as well :-/
However, it isn't necessarily a 'grind' in the WoW sense of the word. Lower level content in WAR is actually FUN. You're always going to find plenty of people low level alts, who are just doin it to play in the lower end scenarios or what not.
It will seem like it takes a longer time and best of all, you aren't expected to reach level 40. In WoW, it would suck being less than 70, because everyone was. You're not going to have the same thing in WAR.
I find your reason a pretty sad excuse ( oh boy I seem to be using this allot this morning...Meh)
Who is forcing you to speed lvl? the game?, afcourse not, you do understand that the only one who will force you to speed lvl is YOU and YOU only, not a game, not it's company, not the progression path, just YOU.
Also try spending some time on forums and you will see and learn that waiting for a game for such a long time has never proven to be the best way as most who are waiting for such a long time proof on forums to be the once who mostly become disappointed with such games. The longer people are waiting for a game ot be released the higher and more unrealistic their expectations seem to become.
nope. the developers said that they want people to get to forty as fast as posible..
they said that they dont want to people to spend mush time levelling they want them to spend it all in the higher tears
omg if thats true it really is sad
i spend hours upon hours praising them how cool their podcast about the tier system was and how great it is that lower levels and casual gamers can contribute thrue these tiers.
if its only a "rush players to max and hope they enjoy engame" im about to loose a ton of respect for the devs. even if they have great rvr basing a game only on endgame content is a huge nono imho.
apart from the fact that they didnt have engame content readdy aoc painfully showed us that leveling to fast will definitly lead to a bored community sooner or later.
a fellow l2 player id rather spend a year going to max then burning thrue the levels in a matter of weeks
btw: is there any kind of deleveling possibility so you keep your character a certain level, i.e. to have a char readdy to play a lower tier ?
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I wouldn't call those points "easy", I'd call them "comfortable". There is a difference between the two you know.
As for the fast leveling part of the argument, I don't see the problem here. WAR, imo, is finally putting some weight behind the "the game begins at endgame" part of the mmos. The stated goal of the developers is to get you as fast as possible to the T4 where the "real" game and your character's progression truly begin. Most other MMOS funnel players from multiple wide open low level areas into a very few max level ones. Your options decrease with leveling until you're left with very linear gameplay at max level (raid or die!). WAR is completely the opposite - T4 areas are as big as all other tiers combined and they are much more open in all respects.
Actually WAR is almost a level-less game in disguise. The first 39 levels can be seen as a kind of an extended tutorial. Once you get to 40 you start the real game with Renown ranks (amongst many many other things) that the devs mentioned it'll take you at least a year to max out.
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Just to avoid a bit of confusion, the level/tier system is a bit more complicated than that but you get my drift. For example, you get into T4 well before 40 and in T3 the chicken does not apply... This gives a kind of a second dimension to the endgame RVR since T4s can meaningfully participate in T3 area to grab some spillover points. It is a very cool system that got me really impressed. However the point remains the same - a PvP game cannot have as steep a character progression as PvE one. This is the main flaw in WoW's PvP, for example... and this is why WAR wants to get you as fast as possible to max level where characters advance much more slowly and thus the playing field becomes more level and fair.
I wouldn't call those points "easy", I'd call them "comfortable". There is a difference between the two you know.
As for the fast leveling part of the argument, I don't see the problem here. WAR, imo, is finally putting some weight behind the "the game begins at endgame" part of the mmos. The stated goal of the developers is to get you as fast as possible to the T4 where the "real" game and your character's progression truly begin. Most other MMOS funnel players from multiple wide open low level areas into a very few max level ones. Your options decrease with leveling until you're left with very linear gameplay at max level (raid or die!). WAR is completely the opposite - T4 areas are as big as all other tiers combined and they are much more open in all respects.
Actually WAR is almost a level-less game in disguise. The first 39 levels can be seen as a kind of an extended tutorial. Once you get to 40 you start the real game with Renown ranks (amongst many many other things) that the devs mentioned it'll take you at least a year to max out.
why then make lower tiers at all ?
wheres the whole "the journey is the goal" thing.
if i want a game where i start playing with a maxed out char id play guildwars....
for me theres a huge difference between "you can have fun in pvp no matter your level" and "we push you to max lvl fast so all people have fun in pvp"
if your bored, visit my blog at:
http://craylon.wordpress.com/ dealing with the look of mmos with the nvidia 3d vision glasses
so only 38 posts in three years and this is all you write.
whats the point...just felt like increasing your post count.
gratz.
i think the highlight of this thread was that truly bizarre post about that vaporware game.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I wouldn't call those points "easy", I'd call them "comfortable". There is a difference between the two you know.
As for the fast leveling part of the argument, I don't see the problem here. WAR, imo, is finally putting some weight behind the "the game begins at endgame" part of the mmos. The stated goal of the developers is to get you as fast as possible to the T4 where the "real" game and your character's progression truly begin. Most other MMOS funnel players from multiple wide open low level areas into a very few max level ones. Your options decrease with leveling until you're left with very linear gameplay at max level (raid or die!). WAR is completely the opposite - T4 areas are as big as all other tiers combined and they are much more open in all respects.
Actually WAR is almost a level-less game in disguise. The first 39 levels can be seen as a kind of an extended tutorial. Once you get to 40 you start the real game with Renown ranks (amongst many many other things) that the devs mentioned it'll take you at least a year to max out.
why then make lower tiers at all ?
wheres the whole "the journey is the goal" thing.
if i want a game where i start playing with a maxed out char id play guildwars....
for me theres a huge difference between "you can have fun in pvp no matter your level" and "we push you to max lvl fast so all people have fun in pvp"
Actually originally Mythic did plan to make WAR a level-less game but in the end they decided to go for levels and tiers etc. I suppose they realized that Joe the average gamer likes to see those little numbers go up as a visible and easily understood representation of his "progress".
As for "the journey is the goal"... imo that is the stupidest phrase ever coined and that set back MMO development for at least 10 years. It makes sense for single-player RPGs that are trying to sell you a linear scripted story where your character is THE hero but it is utterly ridiculous when applied to a dynamic, multiplayer world that is supposed to go on forever. Screw that EQ/WoW "journey" bullshit if you'll pardon my french.
AION is not about slowleveling sgtfrog, this way you will just setup yourself to be disappointed, both Aion and War have some pretty fantastic aspects, but none of them are related to slowleveling.
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might i recomend AO, thats a real slog up to max level. Leveling is so slow that I quit at about 100.
problem is im not gonna be a hardcore rvr player so thats not really good for me hehe
Sorry bro no disrespect but why the hell did u even have interest in this MMO if you dont like RvR. Its like going to a Country Fried BBQ steak house and ordering a fucken salad....
if you didnt wanna try or buy warhammer heres a newsflash: we dont care so stop posting here about it
kthxbai
I am very happy you decided not to play. Good for you. Now get out of these forums and go hangout in some other forum where you can complain and be negative.
I am very happy you decided not to play. Good for you. Now get out of these forums and go hangout in some other forum where you can complain and be negative.
lol funny most war fans whent to AoC to bitch and they dont like it when some one does it back no i not and Aoc fan just like reading the posts never played the game and wont be
I'm glad you posted this. Now I know that WARs target audience isn't people that like to spend 150 days / played to get to max lvl. It may shock you to realise that 97.5% of the population has a job
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I think someone said it earlier. Aion won't have a lot of grind. In fact, I dare say the grind may be negated due to cut scenes etc.
Like WAR, it will be a PvP focused game but I'd argue with slightly more PvE. Levelling wiil not take too long in Aion. If you want to know more go to www.aionsource.com
Besides, Aion wont be out till probably Summer 2009. So you may as well play WAR for a few months. No other MMO out there worth playing imo.
Took me 2 weeks to get from 31 to 35 on my sorcerer and that was playing quite a bit. The higher levels are a good bit slower than the first 20.
casual player can reach rank 40 in about 2 months.
Leveling slows down in tier 3, tiers 1 and 2 are suppsoed to be fast since that is where you will get the majority of your base skills. tier 3 takes a little longer then tiers 1 and 2 combined. Can't comment on tier 4 as that is still under the NDA.
you owe yourself to play the game since you waited 2 years to play it. you would br foolish not to.
and then you say that you wont be an hardcore RvR player, and that wont be too good for you????
That doesnt make any sense.... you should be happy that this game doesnt have a grind like Lineage 2 where you must grind for a year before being even able to do any pvp...
Tier 4 isn't under NDA, just the stuff that never reached the guild beta server. You can talk freely about level 31-40 stuff but anything you used a lvl 40 template for is still off limits.