Originally posted by rhale warhammer = wow clone darkfall = new and exciting
WAR is very different from WoW, but also have some similartities (like UI or art style, as both games are based on Warhammer lore). Darkfall is poor Shadowbane clone with no chance for real existence, as their developers don't have money for servers, GMs, tech supports etc. Even more, judging from this DF vid, they even don't have money for some real cg artists. DF is like D&L 2.
Which is better and why? At the Darkfall forums all I hear are biased comments I think this would be the only place to hear both sides. I'm not interested on your detailed analysis of which is less sandboxie, but which in theory or if you've tested any of them what was so great about the gameplay, as a casual or grind player which is funner to play? I guess only the faq's can give that answer in theory but I'm not sold on any hype, I'll try both games, glad they both at least have dwarves.
Darkfall is very hardcore with complex gameplay, free for all full loot.
And it looks much much better then warhammer watch new movie!!!!!
Its 100% sandbox
Warhammer=themepark with casual pvp for the mass, cartoony's and mediocre grafics.
This, plus Darkfall is skill based both with regards to no classes and also that combat is first person shooter like.
Also it has true sieging, not over NPC type cities, but your own cities that you have worked hard to build. Player Housing. Crop growing. Intricate player crafting. Total control over your characters path.
Plus,its a total vaporware.
Darkfall is COMMING!!!!
watch latest ingame non scripted movie, here on MMORPG.COM!!!!!!
I don t see anything coming xcept one big reality check one day.
Hold ALT, then hit 0153 on the num pad. Darkfall... the game people desire so badly, they vehemently refuse to believe it's vaporware, despite every indication. Coming Soon™ to a game retailer near you in a magical alternate universe with unicorns, teleportation beams and Bob Dole as President of the United States of America.
lol at people still thinking this game doesn't exist. not sure why you support a site that seems to think otherwise (see front page)...
Always good for a laugh though. Wonder why they are so scared ?
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Which is better and why? At the Darkfall forums all I hear are biased comments I think this would be the only place to hear both sides. I'm not interested on your detailed analysis of which is less sandboxie, but which in theory or if you've tested any of them what was so great about the gameplay, as a casual or grind player which is funner to play? I guess only the faq's can give that answer in theory but I'm not sold on any hype, I'll try both games, glad they both at least have dwarves.
Darkfall is very hardcore with complex gameplay, free for all full loot.
And it looks much much better then warhammer watch new movie!!!!!
Its 100% sandbox
Warhammer=themepark with casual pvp for the mass, cartoony's and mediocre grafics.
This, plus Darkfall is skill based both with regards to no classes and also that combat is first person shooter like.
Also it has true sieging, not over NPC type cities, but your own cities that you have worked hard to build. Player Housing. Crop growing. Intricate player crafting. Total control over your characters path.
Plus,its a total vaporware.
Darkfall is COMMING!!!!
watch latest ingame non scripted movie, here on MMORPG.COM!!!!!!
I don t see anything coming xcept one big reality check one day.
How do you like your words, with or without hot sauce?
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
eh warhammer isnt a wow clone, it has its own ideas and place in this industry.
i am getting tired of these nonsense threads though.
Have to agree with you there. It's like they just throw all logic and common sense out the window and start typing.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
WAR is more is for folks who like the traditional MMO. They're all pretty much copies of each other except adding in a few details that "seem" to make them "unique" or "exciting"
Darkfall is a game that offers a lot more features that most mmo's do not have.
I'd much rather play a new game than the same copies for years.
Why on earth are we comparing Warhammer to a so called MMO that was due out 12 years ago anyways?....
I mean this is simple Warhammer > Vaporware
The End.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Darkfall (if released and IF any good, alot of if's) will be the game for diehard pvp'ers, more of a niche thing. Warhammer will probably be biger and more popular but also more for the average gamer.
Why on earth are we comparing Warhammer to a so called MMO that was due out 12 years ago anyways?....
I mean this is simple Warhammer > Vaporware
The End.
Sorry. Do other people's opinions bother you?
I agree the thread is a little off with the comparisons because both games are really taking different gameplay paths, but the discussion is legit enough to warrent the thread.
Oh and I know you are just trolling but DF was not due out 12 years ago and I guess you havent been paying attention but look for a beta in a few months with a plan for a 2008 release. You can find the link to beta signups in my signiture if you havent already signed up
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
And my opinion on the two is pretty simple. WAR will be a great game. I have checked out the classes, did the preview weekend, and mythic is a great company. This game will be very popular and successful, and I am very happy that the game looks like it is in amazing shape.
That being said, until DF exploded on friday with the Video and a Beta/Release Timeframe, I was on board with my guild for WAR. Now, a lot of us are like ehhhh lets see if we get into beta first, WAR will always be there.
I have berated people for the "war is a wow clone" or "war stole from wow" arguement, so please dont read this as that. But I cant help but look at this game and not remember WoW. The graphics are the same which is fine i think they fit perfectly, and the UI etc is just all too familiar. Now the gameplay is much different and to be honest, if WAR released in 2003 with WoW, I probably would have never played WoW.
But now almost everyone I talk to, and I have always been on pvp servers so the crowd I get my geek on with is all pvpers, says that WAR if anything will just be a filler till DF now if DF releases strongly. It just offers too unique of an experience and for straight up pvp experience, (yes i know WAR is RVR etc etc but cmon) DF is just "it".
So tl;dr: WAR will be amazing and really give this industry some WoW competition in terms of the playerbase. DF needs to release well with stable servers and feature complete to do well, and if it does it is going to turn a LOT of heads and could really go high while remaining kind of a niche game.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Originally posted by rikilii Originally posted by ianubisi The comparison is moot. One is a game in public beta and a release date. The other has no beta and no release date. You are comparing a legitimate piece of software with vaporware. Revisit the debate once the vaporware materializes and can be played.
So, are you saying that WAR was vaporware 6 months ago?
Not sure if 6 months is the right time, but I'll be specific:
To the point that Warhammer Online was not a playable demo by the general populace it was, indeed, vaporware. I don't know when Warhammer became a beta, but roughly that time it ceased to be vaporware.
Any developer can claim their software does a thing. Until they can demonstrate through the user that their software does such a thing it is vaporware. Until you can play it, it's vaporware...pie in the sky promises.
The comparison is moot. One is a game in public beta and a release date. The other has no beta and no release date.
You are comparing a legitimate piece of software with vaporware. Revisit the debate once the vaporware materializes and can be played.
So, are you saying that WAR was vaporware 6 months ago?
Not sure if 6 months is the right time, but I'll be specific:
To the point that Warhammer Online was not a playable demo by the general populace it was, indeed, vaporware. I don't know when Warhammer became a beta, but roughly that time it ceased to be vaporware.
Any developer can claim their software does a thing. Until they can demonstrate through the user that their software does such a thing it is vaporware. Until you can play it, it's vaporware...pie in the sky promises.
Well, if that's your definition of vaporware, I have no quarrel with calling DF vaporware. I don't personally care whether it is or not, because I'm sick and effing tired of elf/dwarf/orc games, but it would be nice to see a game with this kind of formula succeed.
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Originally posted by Danielmoscow WAR is more is for folks who like the traditional MMO. They're all pretty much copies of each other except adding in a few details that "seem" to make them "unique" or "exciting"
Darkfall is a game that offers a lot more features that most mmo's do not have.
I'd much rather play a new game than the same copies for years.
Originally posted by rikilii Well, if that's your definition of vaporware, I have no quarrel with calling DF vaporware. I don't personally care whether it is or not, because I'm sick and effing tired of elf/dwarf/orc games, but it would be nice to see a game with this kind of formula succeed.
I hope it succeeds. The more diversity the market the better.
Hold ALT, then hit 0153 on the num pad. Darkfall... the game people desire so badly, they vehemently refuse to believe it's vaporware, despite every indication. Coming Soon™ to a game retailer near you in a magical alternate universe with unicorns, teleportation beams and Bob Dole as President of the United States of America.
you are probably one of those people that said Bioware is not making a KOTOR MMO right ?
people just like to talk a lot of crap:
comparing blizzard's dev team of over 100 people (150 people as per games credits check ur WoW manual ) and over 4 years in development, to a team of 10+ for first year or 2 of development?! Get serious folks.
Plus most mmo's released todate had the money for PR hype, Darkfall devs dont.
I'll bet same people like yourselves will be saying STO MMO has been in development since 2006 right? hehe, even though it was unnounced by a defunct company, and license was acquired since Jan of 2008.
WAR is more is for folks who like the traditional MMO. They're all pretty much copies of each other except adding in a few details that "seem" to make them "unique" or "exciting"
Darkfall is a game that offers a lot more features that most mmo's do not have.
I'd much rather play a new game than the same copies for years.
I would rather play a game thats released.
I just recieved a email from aventurine(company that make darkfall)comming from greece, to aply to beta.
Sorry for you but darkfall is COMMING!!!!
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
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warhammer = wow clone
darkfall = new and exciting
WAR is very different from WoW, but also have some similartities (like UI or art style, as both games are based on Warhammer lore).
Darkfall is poor Shadowbane clone with no chance for real existence, as their developers don't have money for servers, GMs, tech supports etc. Even more, judging from this DF vid, they even don't have money for some real cg artists. DF is like D&L 2.
Darkfall is very hardcore with complex gameplay, free for all full loot.
And it looks much much better then warhammer watch new movie!!!!!
Its 100% sandbox
Warhammer=themepark with casual pvp for the mass, cartoony's and mediocre grafics.
This, plus Darkfall is skill based both with regards to no classes and also that combat is first person shooter like.
Also it has true sieging, not over NPC type cities, but your own cities that you have worked hard to build. Player Housing. Crop growing. Intricate player crafting. Total control over your characters path.
Plus,its a total vaporware.
Darkfall is COMMING!!!!
watch latest ingame non scripted movie, here on MMORPG.COM!!!!!!
I don t see anything coming xcept one big reality check one day.
lol at people still thinking this game doesn't exist. not sure why you support a site that seems to think otherwise (see front page)...
Always good for a laugh though. Wonder why they are so scared ?
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
eh warhammer isnt a wow clone, it has its own ideas and place in this industry.
i am getting tired of these nonsense threads though.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Darkfall is very hardcore with complex gameplay, free for all full loot.
And it looks much much better then warhammer watch new movie!!!!!
Its 100% sandbox
Warhammer=themepark with casual pvp for the mass, cartoony's and mediocre grafics.
This, plus Darkfall is skill based both with regards to no classes and also that combat is first person shooter like.
Also it has true sieging, not over NPC type cities, but your own cities that you have worked hard to build. Player Housing. Crop growing. Intricate player crafting. Total control over your characters path.
Plus,its a total vaporware.
Darkfall is COMMING!!!!
watch latest ingame non scripted movie, here on MMORPG.COM!!!!!!
I don t see anything coming xcept one big reality check one day.
How do you like your words, with or without hot sauce?
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
eh warhammer isnt a wow clone, it has its own ideas and place in this industry.
i am getting tired of these nonsense threads though.
Have to agree with you there. It's like they just throw all logic and common sense out the window and start typing.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Ask yourself the same question.
Zekiah,
Clearly the epicness of this comeback proves that he is your intellectual superior.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
imbant,my "epicness" can t be bigger than your avatar.
different ppl will play the games darkfall will be your hardcore older ppl
WAR will be full of ex wow players
dont copaire the two
My crystal balls batteries are low sorry.
When anyone gets their hands on DF we'll let you know.
WAR is more is for folks who like the traditional MMO. They're all pretty much copies of each other except adding in a few details that "seem" to make them "unique" or "exciting"
Darkfall is a game that offers a lot more features that most mmo's do not have.
I'd much rather play a new game than the same copies for years.
Why on earth are we comparing Warhammer to a so called MMO that was due out 12 years ago anyways?....
I mean this is simple Warhammer > Vaporware
The End.
------------------------------
You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Darkfall (if released and IF any good, alot of if's) will be the game for diehard pvp'ers, more of a niche thing. Warhammer will probably be biger and more popular but also more for the average gamer.
Just my estimation, I'l give both a shot.
Sorry. Do other people's opinions bother you?
I agree the thread is a little off with the comparisons because both games are really taking different gameplay paths, but the discussion is legit enough to warrent the thread.
Oh and I know you are just trolling but DF was not due out 12 years ago and I guess you havent been paying attention but look for a beta in a few months with a plan for a 2008 release. You can find the link to beta signups in my signiture if you havent already signed up
Thanks
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
And my opinion on the two is pretty simple. WAR will be a great game. I have checked out the classes, did the preview weekend, and mythic is a great company. This game will be very popular and successful, and I am very happy that the game looks like it is in amazing shape.
That being said, until DF exploded on friday with the Video and a Beta/Release Timeframe, I was on board with my guild for WAR. Now, a lot of us are like ehhhh lets see if we get into beta first, WAR will always be there.
I have berated people for the "war is a wow clone" or "war stole from wow" arguement, so please dont read this as that. But I cant help but look at this game and not remember WoW. The graphics are the same which is fine i think they fit perfectly, and the UI etc is just all too familiar. Now the gameplay is much different and to be honest, if WAR released in 2003 with WoW, I probably would have never played WoW.
But now almost everyone I talk to, and I have always been on pvp servers so the crowd I get my geek on with is all pvpers, says that WAR if anything will just be a filler till DF now if DF releases strongly. It just offers too unique of an experience and for straight up pvp experience, (yes i know WAR is RVR etc etc but cmon) DF is just "it".
So tl;dr: WAR will be amazing and really give this industry some WoW competition in terms of the playerbase. DF needs to release well with stable servers and feature complete to do well, and if it does it is going to turn a LOT of heads and could really go high while remaining kind of a niche game.
~~
Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Tinybina...your sig quote is wrong. It wasn't Mr Smith....it was Agent Smith.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
So, are you saying that WAR was vaporware 6 months ago?
Not sure if 6 months is the right time, but I'll be specific:
To the point that Warhammer Online was not a playable demo by the general populace it was, indeed, vaporware. I don't know when Warhammer became a beta, but roughly that time it ceased to be vaporware.
Any developer can claim their software does a thing. Until they can demonstrate through the user that their software does such a thing it is vaporware. Until you can play it, it's vaporware...pie in the sky promises.
So, are you saying that WAR was vaporware 6 months ago?
Not sure if 6 months is the right time, but I'll be specific:
To the point that Warhammer Online was not a playable demo by the general populace it was, indeed, vaporware. I don't know when Warhammer became a beta, but roughly that time it ceased to be vaporware.
Any developer can claim their software does a thing. Until they can demonstrate through the user that their software does such a thing it is vaporware. Until you can play it, it's vaporware...pie in the sky promises.
Well, if that's your definition of vaporware, I have no quarrel with calling DF vaporware. I don't personally care whether it is or not, because I'm sick and effing tired of elf/dwarf/orc games, but it would be nice to see a game with this kind of formula succeed.
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im to lazy too use grammar or punctuation good
I would rather play a game thats released.
I hope it succeeds. The more diversity the market the better.
you are probably one of those people that said Bioware is not making a KOTOR MMO right ?
people just like to talk a lot of crap:
comparing blizzard's dev team of over 100 people (150 people as per games credits check ur WoW manual ) and over 4 years in development, to a team of 10+ for first year or 2 of development?! Get serious folks.
Plus most mmo's released todate had the money for PR hype, Darkfall devs dont.
I'll bet same people like yourselves will be saying STO MMO has been in development since 2006 right? hehe, even though it was unnounced by a defunct company, and license was acquired since Jan of 2008.
The only way to compare games, is to know them. And the only way to know them is to have played them.
So will someone who has played the WAR beta and the Darkfall beta please enlighten us. Please I bet you.
I would rather play a game thats released.
I just recieved a email from aventurine(company that make darkfall)comming from greece, to aply to beta.
Sorry for you but darkfall is COMMING!!!!
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.