You couldnt find a boulder that would let you jump on it in the Elven area? Strange I do it all the time.Invisible walls? More than AOC after the invisible wall patch?
I will agree with the AOC audio being pretty cool when you turn your head and building a city giving you a sense of owning something in game but thats just fluff. Personally Ill take less fluff more fun any day.
Reading the above it becomes so painfully obvious why you get under peoples skin sometimes. You make some OK points about AOC followed by untruths such as not being able to jump on a rock or that you just cant seem to find invisible barriers in AOC aside from the edges of maps. Or the mob AI being bland. You apparently havent gotten far because there are areas the mobs will come from a great distance to whip on you when you attack someone.
It makes me question how much you have played it WAR and why you would want to compare AOC to a game that was obviously released in a much better condition than the one youcarry a cross for.
The condition of the game really isn't the most important factor to some people. My favorite game of all time was pre-cu galaxies, if I were to judge it by "condition" alone, I'd have to say it was the buggiest POS I'd ever played. However, the innovation, complexity and options more than made up for that IMO. Sure, only about 200k or so people agreed, but in the end does that make a huge difference to my enjoyment? nope....
I basically agree with every critique AA has made about WAR. I also agree when he says it's a well made game, it's just not my cup of tea.
I believe for my taste AOC is a much better choice, simply because to me it emboldens atmosphere over vibrance. It could be argued vibrance is a good choice in creating a unique atmosphere, however it takes away from the lifelike immersive qualitys focusing on pure atompshere opens up.
I don't know exactly how to pinpoint what turned me off in WAR. I will just say in WAR I knew I was playing a game. That's not bad by any measure.... But, the reminder it often screams at you that it is just a game, detracts from that wordly view I trully get from AOC. I feel as though in AOC I am free to make my own choice in what to do at a given moment, where I want to go and what I want to see is all up to me. I did not get this feeling from WAR.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Warhammer might be more seamless, but I know if there is a boulder in AoC i can jump on it
Then you can get banned for killing other players whilst being on that rock.
(Sorry I couldn't resist that one)
Not true at all, as long as players can reach you it's all good. It's only against the rules if you're in a spot you're not intended to be in, where you can farm players and mobs out of the reach of damage.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Imjin
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by girlgeek
Originally posted by TheSheikh
Well, this is the second page of posts and no one has said it..... so..... This game is in open beta and there are no High Res Textures, AA (anti-aliasing), final lighting, and so on. "That new car is ugly, it has no paint, rims, or windows!!!!!" "Yes..... that is because we are in the automobile factory....."
And now this game is released (we're talking about WAR here) and all of the above still applies.
I forced AA via my gfx card, and a few other little touches, as well....and it's still not really wonderful.
We have to consider though, that if you're comparing WAR to AoC graphically....AoC is DX10...WAR, is not, although for some reason I thought it was going to be. I don't know where I got that idea, but....oh well.
I'm just making this comment though, because the thread is about graphics. For me....graphics don't ENTIRELY dictate my enjoyment of a game. However....there is an immersiveness lacking for me in WAR, that I can't quite put my finger on. For me....it feels like...well...a game. The fighting feels like...."I'm playing a game and I'm fighting against other players." This has bothered me since the preview weekend and on. I just can't seem to "FEEL" this game, and I seriously do NOT know why. The environments just don't feel very immersive.
I haven't tried AoC yet.
Some things in AoC that make me "Feel" the game more than WAR are environmental effects. Graphical effects such as mist and fog that doesn't look like a smudge on my screen, sound effects such as if you see a fire in AoC either on the ground or a torch on the wall, not only does it look real but when you move your character there is positional sound from your speaks as if your turning your head around in real life. Not to mention the wildlife in AoC, Wolves NPC's hunt hare rabit and deer. You walk near wildlife it runs from you realistically. There are more creatures that interact with the lay of the land in AoC, birds that eat dead carcass', fish in the water even. All these little things add up to more immersion for me.
Other neat sound effects are like when your running across different terrain or on horse back the noise you make is different each time for each type of terrain you move on. In WAR is all the same, take a horse on go across grass, sand, rock or Ice in AoC and you will hear positional and difference in sound effects in war its the same noise all the time - there is no difference. This is something that I noticed a lot in War but took for granted in AoC. When I swim in the water or under in AoC its much different than in war where I felt my avatar had 5 animations for swiming and things didn't "feel" right there either.
Warhammer might be more seamless, but I know if there is a boulder in AoC i can jump on it, through the elven tiers I found I couldn't in war. At the edges of AoC there are invisible walls, in war I found these all around me in the open world. In one town I could jump over the barricade by a river, but the barricade the same height at the front of of same town if i try to jump over it I hit an invisible wall in mid air. There are many situations like this I find in war where I don't in AoC - only at the edges of zones in AoC.
War is about War, its everywhere, it accomplishes it's goal by giving you basic character models and basic landscapes to achieve this in higher numbers, thoughts on combat have already been discussed, but I can say in AoC you can have a 100 man sieges and feel crowded and part of visual and engaging experience with keeping decent animations, spell effects, environmental effects etc - 1 month ago this was not possible in AoC - recently its a reality for those taking part in these sieges.
I guess finally for me the "feel" factor comes in when you participate in city construction. You actually help source materials and then build by hand. It's yours, you and your kin own it. It was not given to you, it was not just found miraclousy in the open world, it was made by you, formed by you, designed by you, looked after and repaired by you, it doesn't miraclousy reset either. It's not like one day it got destroyed and 5 hours later it's there perfectly formed again. Ownership gives more meaning and "feel" as its not only something you might of fought to keep but also something you look after too.
These are just some mere points for me which I missed playing warhammer, it was enhanced in AoC in these area's for me. Warhammer has a good start, but really the set up is not so different its alien more like its different as in that relative you see every xmas, nothing changes everytime you see that relative they always look the same.
You can walk into an area with all the same mobs in War, they will be generically placed out along a path, in AoC when you come to a camp and attack some guys on the edge of that camp, if your in the line of sight of others in the camp or if your fighting multiple NPC's one of them will run and alert the others either by running up to them or running to say a horn and blowing it and more will come to help even from far away - its a nice touch which adds to a more immersive, real feeling. Plus weapon swings in melee hit more than one character - now that is something I did miss.
You couldnt find a boulder that would let you jump on it in the Elven area? Strange I do it all the time.Invisible walls? More than AOC after the invisible wall patch?
I will agree with the AOC audio being pretty cool when you turn your head and building a city giving you a sense of owning something in game but thats just fluff. Personally Ill take less fluff more fun any day.
Reading the above it becomes so painfully obvious why you get under peoples skin sometimes. You make some OK points about AOC followed by untruths such as not being able to jump on a rock or that you just cant seem to find invisible barriers in AOC aside from the edges of maps. Or the mob AI being bland. You apparently havent gotten far because there are areas the mobs will come from a great distance to whip on you when you attack someone.
It makes me question how much you have played it WAR and why you would want to compare AOC to a game that was obviously released in a much better condition than the one youcarry a cross for.
Do you really want to compare the quality of implementaion of ideas of Warhammer and AOC one day after launch? You wont win that battle as Tortage will only get you so far.
The fluff you say is the not so great crafting system, but at least it lets me build ,learn how to, and have control over placements in a Keep area. I'm not joking when I say when I am in a zone in AoC there is not no where I can go, my limitations are are the edges of the zones and a quick load screen to the next, in WAR in the Blighted Isle, about 4 towns down, by the docks, forgot the name of the place, but there are 2 troll dudes there and its the first place where you can travel to diff tiers (load screen). Anyway, right there I can not jump over the knee height barriers and bound off invisible walls, I cannot climb boulders in the landscape there or small hill. Its pretty restrictive and I hate taking a forced run around. LvL 18 I made it too as a White Lion I think I experienced enough in terms of mob layout, behaviour and overall A.I. This area alone AoC is far more superior. Khanes Embrace was just a capture the flag map for RvR scenario, I get better minigames in AoC without 1hr ques.
Regardless, I don't think you sub to either game, but thanks for reading my opinion.
Well, this is the second page of posts and no one has said it..... so..... This game is in open beta and there are no High Res Textures, AA (anti-aliasing), final lighting, and so on. "That new car is ugly, it has no paint, rims, or windows!!!!!" "Yes..... that is because we are in the automobile factory....."
And now this game is released (we're talking about WAR here) and all of the above still applies.
I forced AA via my gfx card, and a few other little touches, as well....and it's still not really wonderful.
We have to consider though, that if you're comparing WAR to AoC graphically....AoC is DX10...WAR, is not, although for some reason I thought it was going to be. I don't know where I got that idea, but....oh well.
I'm just making this comment though, because the thread is about graphics. For me....graphics don't ENTIRELY dictate my enjoyment of a game. However....there is an immersiveness lacking for me in WAR, that I can't quite put my finger on. For me....it feels like...well...a game. The fighting feels like...."I'm playing a game and I'm fighting against other players." This has bothered me since the preview weekend and on. I just can't seem to "FEEL" this game, and I seriously do NOT know why. The environments just don't feel very immersive.
I haven't tried AoC yet.
Some things in AoC that make me "Feel" the game more than WAR are environmental effects. Graphical effects such as mist and fog that doesn't look like a smudge on my screen, sound effects such as if you see a fire in AoC either on the ground or a torch on the wall, not only does it look real but when you move your character there is positional sound from your speaks as if your turning your head around in real life. Not to mention the wildlife in AoC, Wolves NPC's hunt hare rabit and deer. You walk near wildlife it runs from you realistically. There are more creatures that interact with the lay of the land in AoC, birds that eat dead carcass', fish in the water even. All these little things add up to more immersion for me.
Other neat sound effects are like when your running across different terrain or on horse back the noise you make is different each time for each type of terrain you move on. In WAR is all the same, take a horse on go across grass, sand, rock or Ice in AoC and you will hear positional and difference in sound effects in war its the same noise all the time - there is no difference. This is something that I noticed a lot in War but took for granted in AoC. When I swim in the water or under in AoC its much different than in war where I felt my avatar had 5 animations for swiming and things didn't "feel" right there either.
Warhammer might be more seamless, but I know if there is a boulder in AoC i can jump on it, through the elven tiers I found I couldn't in war. At the edges of AoC there are invisible walls, in war I found these all around me in the open world. In one town I could jump over the barricade by a river, but the barricade the same height at the front of of same town if i try to jump over it I hit an invisible wall in mid air. There are many situations like this I find in war where I don't in AoC - only at the edges of zones in AoC.
War is about War, its everywhere, it accomplishes it's goal by giving you basic character models and basic landscapes to achieve this in higher numbers, thoughts on combat have already been discussed, but I can say in AoC you can have a 100 man sieges and feel crowded and part of visual and engaging experience with keeping decent animations, spell effects, environmental effects etc - 1 month ago this was not possible in AoC - recently its a reality for those taking part in these sieges.
I guess finally for me the "feel" factor comes in when you participate in city construction. You actually help source materials and then build by hand. It's yours, you and your kin own it. It was not given to you, it was not just found miraclousy in the open world, it was made by you, formed by you, designed by you, looked after and repaired by you, it doesn't miraclousy reset either. It's not like one day it got destroyed and 5 hours later it's there perfectly formed again. Ownership gives more meaning and "feel" as its not only something you might of fought to keep but also something you look after too.
These are just some mere points for me which I missed playing warhammer, it was enhanced in AoC in these area's for me. Warhammer has a good start, but really the set up is not so different its alien more like its different as in that relative you see every xmas, nothing changes everytime you see that relative they always look the same.
You can walk into an area with all the same mobs in War, they will be generically placed out along a path, in AoC when you come to a camp and attack some guys on the edge of that camp, if your in the line of sight of others in the camp or if your fighting multiple NPC's one of them will run and alert the others either by running up to them or running to say a horn and blowing it and more will come to help even from far away - its a nice touch which adds to a more immersive, real feeling. Plus weapon swings in melee hit more than one character - now that is something I did miss.
You couldnt find a boulder that would let you jump on it in the Elven area? Strange I do it all the time.Invisible walls? More than AOC after the invisible wall patch?
I will agree with the AOC audio being pretty cool when you turn your head and building a city giving you a sense of owning something in game but thats just fluff. Personally Ill take less fluff more fun any day.
Reading the above it becomes so painfully obvious why you get under peoples skin sometimes. You make some OK points about AOC followed by untruths such as not being able to jump on a rock or that you just cant seem to find invisible barriers in AOC aside from the edges of maps. Or the mob AI being bland. You apparently havent gotten far because there are areas the mobs will come from a great distance to whip on you when you attack someone.
It makes me question how much you have played it WAR and why you would want to compare AOC to a game that was obviously released in a much better condition than the one youcarry a cross for.
Do you really want to compare the quality of implementaion of ideas of Warhammer and AOC one day after launch? You wont win that battle as Tortage will only get you so far.
The fluff you say is the not so great crafting system, but at least it lets me build ,learn how to, and have control over placements in a Keep area. I'm not joking when I say when I am in a zone in AoC there is not no where I can go, my limitations are are the edges of the zones and a quick load screen to the next, in WAR in the Blighted Isle, about 4 towns down, by the docks, forgot the name of the place, but there are 2 troll dudes there and its the first place where you can travel to diff tiers (load screen). Anyway, right there I can not jump over the knee height barriers and bound off invisible walls, I cannot climb boulders in the landscape there or small hill. Its pretty restrictive and I hate taking a forced run around. LvL 18 I made it too as a White Lion I think I experienced enough in terms of mob layout, behaviour and overall A.I. This area alone AoC is far more superior. Khanes Embrace was just a capture the flag map for RvR scenario, I get better minigames in AoC without 1hr ques.
Regardless, I don't think you sub to either game, but thanks for reading my opinion.
You may need to contact Mythic then because you are the only person I have seen with this problem. I am constantly having to go after other payers on rocks much larger than knee high and do it with no problem. I jump the edges of fointains, fences and barriers all day long with no issues and yet you cant seem to manage. And as far as the queue I guess youve forgottten how long they were in AOC. Thats silly of me. Of course you havent forgotten you just wont say it.
So you knock Khaines embrace and you were level 18. You didnt try tier 2? You didnt try other starting areas scenarios? Again I question how much you played with these views but i expect no less from you.
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Oh my, reading this thread makes me feel like no one is actualy realy happy with ANY online game that is availible. Some games reach people expectations on one area, some in other, but there's no "perfection". So ppl who like "that" specific aspect vote for "that" game, and those who like "this" aspect vote for "this" game....
I personaly hate "clickers", also called "auto-attacks". It's just too childish, simple and stupid for me. I prefer to play with my skill over stats of my character and for this i like AOC among all fantasy games. Graphics IS important for same reason - i won't go beyond certain level because i can't have FUN then.
You can spend hours telling me about bugs, crafting and other cr** i don't care about, but it just won't impess me. I simply won't play even perfect game if i don't like it's style of combat, graphics or design.
AOC isn't perfect, but once you stop comparing it to other games (which then just is all about preferences) - it's pretty good, self suficient. It got story, it got combat, quest and stuff. If it was only MMORPG in the world - noone would criticize it.
These are 2 different games with a bit different focus. AOC is more "presonal" while War is more group/faction oriented.
And the last thing - notice what ppl who do not like AOC say - in the end it all comes to words "it's shit". Meaning - they just prefer other game over this one. Among all the cr** i heard about AOC - only 1/10 is true, rest is just up to tastes and preferences.
Example (i have no idea hot to quote in existing message in this forum,sorry)
"Plus the way the zones are set up in AoC makes it even worse, with having to go through one zone just to get to another. "
- i do not agree, i think this is the only right way how it should be done - the realistic one. I hate when you can just jump to area you need. It also helps PVP.
Why? Combat and graphics. As far as in corcerned, when people talk about next generation, or steps beyond the norm WAR is past and present, AoC is the future. When i compare AoC melee combat, ranged combat, animations, character movement, atmosphere, graphics....all of it is better than WAR. Makes me think....Funcom you released to early, you had nothing to fear.
If you think AoC is the future of gaming, we are in a SAD SAD state of gaming, thats for sure.
in the end it all comes to words "it's shit". Meaning - they just prefer other game over this one. Among all the cr** i heard about AOC - only 1/10 is true, rest is just up to tastes and preferences.
No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences. With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'. Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways. Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
in the end it all comes to words "it's shit". Meaning - they just prefer other game over this one. Among all the cr** i heard about AOC - only 1/10 is true, rest is just up to tastes and preferences.
No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences.
With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'.
Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways.
Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
That better?
If that's how you feel, that's fine. At least you took the time to pinpoint exactly what you felt was off with the game. Sorry I had to reformat your post to read it (take no offense).
On the technical front and content end, this game needs a ton of work (even after fixing the leaks). I highly doubt you'll find many people disagreeing with you on those points.
I disagree it's shallow, but it must be said I'm used to games that really offer no content outside of the content you make for yourself (eve, pre-cu swg, ryzom etc..), I couldn't get into the lead you around aspects of WOW (now WAR).
At first AOC was like that (tortage). I'm glad I finished it up and found out the world game play isn't, at least where my play style comes into play. Mob xp is fairly high so I don't have to worry about venturing into town while grinding, I'll do an occasional quest when I'm bored of mob grinding. That's pretty rare though, I'm sure people into directed content will think my play style sounds really boring. Just try to understand that's what i'm accustomed to.
I find quests to be a waste of time, unless they are really well made( single player aspects) AOC offers this to a large degree. My favorite aspect of PVE is through mob grinding groups (socialization) to bad more people don't do this in AOC.
It must be stressed, I really only enjoy PVP. WHich I get plenty of in AOC, my favorite type as well 1v1 or similar small battles are endless on an open PVP server. TBH I couldn't imagine playing this game on a PVE server.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
in the end it all comes to words "it's shit". Meaning - they just prefer other game over this one. Among all the cr** i heard about AOC - only 1/10 is true, rest is just up to tastes and preferences.
No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences.
With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'.
Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways.
Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
That better?
If that's how you feel, that's fine. At least you took the time to pinpoint exactly what you felt was off with the game. Sorry I had to reformat your post to read it (take no offense).
Why would I take offense? Perhaps because doing what you did is supposed to be a calculated insult on my grammar? Sorry, but I'm not a big fan of tabloid style one sentence paragraphs. Ive had people patronise me on online forums about that before. I have a different view on it. I hate people who put a space between every single sentence so that the end result is that their entire piece is an unstructured mess. I will only paragraph if a paragraph is warranted within the context of what I say.
And if you think that Im over-reacting, then ask yourself why you knew I would perhaps be offended by what you did?
As to the content of what you posted, there is a difference between games that dont lead you around by the nose intentionally, and games that are obviously unfinished. By the time I got to level 45 in AOC I found that one simply had to do stupid 'kill 40 xxx' quests, or do the repeatable villa quests to continue levelling. The reason for this is simple. They did not finish the game. The content is there for other level groups, so your point doesnt really stand. People seem to be almost bending over backwards to defend this game against common sense. The game isn't what you say it is because thats the way it is supposed to be. Its that way because it wasn't finished.
in the end it all comes to words "it's shit". Meaning - they just prefer other game over this one. Among all the cr** i heard about AOC - only 1/10 is true, rest is just up to tastes and preferences.
No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences.
With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'.
Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways.
Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
That better?
If that's how you feel, that's fine. At least you took the time to pinpoint exactly what you felt was off with the game. Sorry I had to reformat your post to read it (take no offense).
Why would I take offense? Perhaps because doing what you did is supposed to be a calculated insult on my grammar? Sorry, but I'm not a big fan of tabloid style one sentence paragraphs. Ive had people patronise me on online forums about that before. I have a different view on it. I hate people who put a space between every single sentence so that the end result is that their entire piece is an unstructured mess. I will only paragraph if a paragraph is warranted within the context of what I say.
And if you think that Im over-reacting, then ask yourself why you knew I would perhaps be offended by what you did?
As to the content of what you posted, there is a difference between games that dont lead you around by the nose intentionally, and games that are obviously unfinished. By the time I got to level 45 in AOC I found that one simply had to do stupid 'kill 40 xxx' quests, or do the repeatable villa quests to continue levelling. The reason for this is simple. They did not finish the game. The content is there for other level groups, so your point doesnt really stand. People seem to be almost bending over backwards to defend this game against common sense. The game isn't what you say it is because thats the way it is supposed to be. Its that way because it wasn't finished.
It hurts my eyes to try and read posts like that, in order to read it I quoted it and split it up. I included no offense to basically say, I'm not trying to patronize your style or one up you as you just explained.
Oh jeez, here we go.. I gave you a reason why I felt the game wasn't shallow, nothing more. How in anyway is that bending over backwards to defend the game? I have no reason to attempt to defend any game. If you're saying it's shallow due to an unfinished state say so, you didn't. Had you I would not of disagreed. From a feature stand point I do not believe the game is shallow.Which is what I was referring to in my post.
I completely agree from a high level questing angle the game is shallow, if you had read the other portion of my post you cut out. You would of figured out, I'm not big into questing so it's really no skin off by back.
Edit- btw did you even read this part ? "On the technical front and content end, this game needs a ton of work (even after fixing the leaks). I highly doubt you'll find many people disagreeing with you on those points."
You don't have to answer, you obviously didn't.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
in the end it all comes to words "it's shit". Meaning - they just prefer other game over this one. Among all the cr** i heard about AOC - only 1/10 is true, rest is just up to tastes and preferences.
No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences.
With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'.
Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways.
Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
That better?
If that's how you feel, that's fine. At least you took the time to pinpoint exactly what you felt was off with the game. Sorry I had to reformat your post to read it (take no offense).
Why would I take offense? Perhaps because doing what you did is supposed to be a calculated insult on my grammar? Sorry, but I'm not a big fan of tabloid style one sentence paragraphs. Ive had people patronise me on online forums about that before. I have a different view on it. I hate people who put a space between every single sentence so that the end result is that their entire piece is an unstructured mess. I will only paragraph if a paragraph is warranted within the context of what I say.
And if you think that Im over-reacting, then ask yourself why you knew I would perhaps be offended by what you did?
As to the content of what you posted, there is a difference between games that dont lead you around by the nose intentionally, and games that are obviously unfinished. By the time I got to level 45 in AOC I found that one simply had to do stupid 'kill 40 xxx' quests, or do the repeatable villa quests to continue levelling. The reason for this is simple. They did not finish the game. The content is there for other level groups, so your point doesnt really stand. People seem to be almost bending over backwards to defend this game against common sense. The game isn't what you say it is because thats the way it is supposed to be. Its that way because it wasn't finished.
You don't have to answer, you obviously didn't.
Yes I became so irrationally pre-occupied by the perceived slight on my sentence structure that I didnt really give a shit what you had actually written about the topic at hand.
Yes I became so irrationally pre-occupied by the perceived slight on my sentence structure that I didnt really give a shit what you had actually written about the topic at hand.
That's understandable, if you're not being sarcastic. I understood what you were saying, you're only trying to use a paragraph in its proper form. You also have to consider some like me are far sighted (only slightly in my case, no need for glasses) however, jumbles of text like that can be quite painful. I could have ignored your post all together, but I feel that would be even more disrespectful.
My post was in no way condescending, at least it wasn't meant to be, just an addition to friendly debate.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
in the end it all comes to words "it's shit". Meaning - they just prefer other game over this one. Among all the cr** i heard about AOC - only 1/10 is true, rest is just up to tastes and preferences.
No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences.
With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'.
Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways.
Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
That better?
If that's how you feel, that's fine. At least you took the time to pinpoint exactly what you felt was off with the game. Sorry I had to reformat your post to read it (take no offense).
On the technical front and content end, this game needs a ton of work (even after fixing the leaks). I highly doubt you'll find many people disagreeing with you on those points.
I disagree it's shallow, but it must be said I'm used to games that really offer no content outside of the content you make for yourself (eve, pre-cu swg, ryzom etc..), I couldn't get into the lead you around aspects of WOW (now WAR).
At first AOC was like that (tortage). I'm glad I finished it up and found out the world game play isn't, at least where my play style comes into play. Mob xp is fairly high so I don't have to worry about venturing into town while grinding, I'll do an occasional quest when I'm bored of mob grinding. That's pretty rare though, I'm sure people into directed content will think my play style sounds really boring. Just try to understand that's what i'm accustomed to.
I find quests to be a waste of time, unless they are really well made( single player aspects) AOC offers this to a large degree. My favorite aspect of PVE is through mob grinding groups (socialization) to bad more people don't do this in AOC.
It must be stressed, I really only enjoy PVP. WHich I get plenty of in AOC, my favorite type as well 1v1 or similar small battles are endless on an open PVP server. TBH I couldn't imagine playing this game on a PVE server.
Oh dear another expert commenting on AoC... Man, probably the whole AoC community disagree with you on your statements above. I don't even wanna try to inform you on Patch 2.0 content... Why would I really if you played the game (or maybe you don't)... Dude, read up or log on.
AmazingAOCAVERY You do realize that mabs used to hit you through walls in AOC. God only knows if thats fixed. Once more as a helpful suggestion you are on very thin ice inside of a thin glass house. Be careful where you step before throwing those nonsensical stones.
Edited for lack of who i was talking to.
You want me to say AoC didn't have similar bugs? Course it did, and I know for a fact warhammer is suffering the same thing from first hand experience.
Of course the only way to know if its fixed in AoC is to play it now or ask God yourself.
I can always put a video up of experiences in both games, then again playing perfectly working sieges is more fun for me (with everything else I have said in this thread)
I just couldnt help this but, ive never seen anyone shoot through walls or ever been able to shoot through terrain or obstacles or anything in WAR, ive seen you make several posts saying this and its utter crap.
Sieges may be working great for you, and the few that can play them, when you can play them. In WAR today I did 12 sieges.
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Originally posted by Bladeinhand
I just couldnt help this but, ive never seen anyone shoot through walls or ever been able to shoot through terrain or obstacles or anything in WAR, ive seen you make several posts saying this and its utter crap. Sieges may be working great for you, and the few that can play them, when you can play them. In WAR today I did 12 sieges.
In khaines embrace, any level that lets you in. In the tunnels with the part that comes out to the middle, I've been stood there not attacking and no one in the tunnel and several times I'm getting hit thru the solid wall from people on the outside shooting not from the enterance but all the way thru it. Even seen the purple spells hitting me coming thru the wall itself. You know when you run around the back when both points are locked down and eplosion happens the big rocks there - bam, spells right thru them. Here is a map if you havent played it : pc.ign.com/dor/objects/748723/warhammer-online/images/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034131616.html
Please go see for yourselve im not making it up for the fun of it. Yes I am well aware as previously stated that AoC has mass bugs at release, just want to point out in war these two seem to be normal gameplay. The first issue is auto target where im targetted thru the wall or bolder and the game doesnt take into account whats in the way, the second is clear space and a clocked invisible wall blocks you in the middle of the camp. There are several other issues I have and I really do hope and I am sure they will get fixed up in Warhammer, just like many have in AoC.
Thats nice doing 12 sieges, did you have to go out and get the resources to build them back up again / repair / craft? Fundamental difference between the two games - they are different.
Oh I almost forgot - what about the loading screen after you die in War RvR scenario?? not that it bothers me, as its there in AoC - wonder if those same ppl made a fuss when played AoC do now in War?
I just couldnt help this but, ive never seen anyone shoot through walls or ever been able to shoot through terrain or obstacles or anything in WAR, ive seen you make several posts saying this and its utter crap. Sieges may be working great for you, and the few that can play them, when you can play them. In WAR today I did 12 sieges.
In khaines embrace, any level that lets you in. In the tunnels with the part that comes out to the middle, I've been stood there not attacking and no one in the tunnel and several times I'm getting hit thru the solid wall from people on the outside shooting not from the enterance but all the way thru it. Even seen the purple spells hitting me coming thru the wall itself. You know when you run around the back when both points are locked down and eplosion happens the big rocks there - bam, spells right thru them. Here is a map if you havent played it : pc.ign.com/dor/objects/748723/warhammer-online/images/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034131616.html
Please go see for yourselve im not making it up for the fun of it. Yes I am well aware as previously stated that AoC has mass bugs at release, just want to point out in war these two seem to be normal gameplay. The first issue is auto target where im targetted thru the wall or bolder and the game doesnt take into account whats in the way, the second is clear space and a clocked invisible wall blocks you in the middle of the camp. There are several other issues I have and I really do hope and I am sure they will get fixed up in Warhammer, just like many have in AoC.
Thats nice doing 12 sieges, did you have to go out and get the resources to build them back up again / repair / craft? Fundamental difference between the two games - they are different.
Oh I almost forgot - what about the loading screen after you die in War RvR scenario?? not that it bothers me, as its there in AoC - wonder if those same ppl made a fuss when played AoC do now in War?
I've said it before, but I'll say it again: you fanboys trying to compare AoC to first-rate games such as WoW and WAR is not going to bolster your argument about AoC, but only make you look silly. WoW is the number one game ever released for PC, and WAR is actually making a run at that. AoC, if it even survives the next few months, will never be more than a niche game. You found a bug in WAR and bring it here like that actually means anything; pathetic. The problem with AoC is not bugs, and never really has been. Sure, some people really get bothered by any bug they happen to come across, but if gameplay is good they may complain about it but they damn sure will keep playing. Nope, bugs are not the problem. The problem with AoC is that everything sucks, from economy to combat to itemization to over-instancing, just to name a few of the problems, the game is simply not that good, and never will be. Some games have it, some games don't. AoC don't.
Oh dear another expert commenting on AoC... Man, probably the whole AoC community disagree with you on your statements above. I don't even wanna try to inform you on Patch 2.0 content... Why would I really if you played the game (or maybe you don't)... Dude, read up or log on.
What would they disagree about? I really don't know what you're referring to? Did they not fix the leaks to a pretty decent level? Seems so on my end anyway, everyone's rig is different though.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I just couldnt help this but, ive never seen anyone shoot through walls or ever been able to shoot through terrain or obstacles or anything in WAR, ive seen you make several posts saying this and its utter crap. Sieges may be working great for you, and the few that can play them, when you can play them. In WAR today I did 12 sieges.
In khaines embrace, any level that lets you in. In the tunnels with the part that comes out to the middle, I've been stood there not attacking and no one in the tunnel and several times I'm getting hit thru the solid wall from people on the outside shooting not from the enterance but all the way thru it. Even seen the purple spells hitting me coming thru the wall itself. You know when you run around the back when both points are locked down and eplosion happens the big rocks there - bam, spells right thru them. Here is a map if you havent played it : pc.ign.com/dor/objects/748723/warhammer-online/images/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034131616.html
Please go see for yourselve im not making it up for the fun of it. Yes I am well aware as previously stated that AoC has mass bugs at release, just want to point out in war these two seem to be normal gameplay. The first issue is auto target where im targetted thru the wall or bolder and the game doesnt take into account whats in the way, the second is clear space and a clocked invisible wall blocks you in the middle of the camp. There are several other issues I have and I really do hope and I am sure they will get fixed up in Warhammer, just like many have in AoC.
Thats nice doing 12 sieges, did you have to go out and get the resources to build them back up again / repair / craft? Fundamental difference between the two games - they are different.
Oh I almost forgot - what about the loading screen after you die in War RvR scenario?? not that it bothers me, as its there in AoC - wonder if those same ppl made a fuss when played AoC do now in War?
I've said it before, but I'll say it again: you fanboys trying to compare AoC to first-rate games such as WoW and WAR is not going to bolster your argument about AoC, but only make you look silly. WoW is the number one game ever released for PC, and WAR is actually making a run at that. AoC, if it even survives the next few months, will never be more than a niche game. You found a bug in WAR and bring it here like that actually means anything; pathetic. The problem with AoC is not bugs, and never really has been. Sure, some people really get bothered by any bug they happen to come across, but if gameplay is good they may complain about it but they damn sure will keep playing. Nope, bugs are not the problem. The problem with AoC is that everything sucks, from economy to combat to itemization to over-instancing, just to name a few of the problems, the game is simply not that good, and never will be. Some games have it, some games don't. AoC don't.
Right, and Britney and Justine topped the charts. See where that logic takes you?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I just couldnt help this but, ive never seen anyone shoot through walls or ever been able to shoot through terrain or obstacles or anything in WAR, ive seen you make several posts saying this and its utter crap. Sieges may be working great for you, and the few that can play them, when you can play them. In WAR today I did 12 sieges.
In khaines embrace, any level that lets you in. In the tunnels with the part that comes out to the middle, I've been stood there not attacking and no one in the tunnel and several times I'm getting hit thru the solid wall from people on the outside shooting not from the enterance but all the way thru it. Even seen the purple spells hitting me coming thru the wall itself. You know when you run around the back when both points are locked down and eplosion happens the big rocks there - bam, spells right thru them. Here is a map if you havent played it : pc.ign.com/dor/objects/748723/warhammer-online/images/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034131616.html
Please go see for yourselve im not making it up for the fun of it. Yes I am well aware as previously stated that AoC has mass bugs at release, just want to point out in war these two seem to be normal gameplay. The first issue is auto target where im targetted thru the wall or bolder and the game doesnt take into account whats in the way, the second is clear space and a clocked invisible wall blocks you in the middle of the camp. There are several other issues I have and I really do hope and I am sure they will get fixed up in Warhammer, just like many have in AoC.
Thats nice doing 12 sieges, did you have to go out and get the resources to build them back up again / repair / craft? Fundamental difference between the two games - they are different.
Oh I almost forgot - what about the loading screen after you die in War RvR scenario?? not that it bothers me, as its there in AoC - wonder if those same ppl made a fuss when played AoC do now in War?
I've said it before, but I'll say it again: you fanboys trying to compare AoC to first-rate games such as WoW and WAR is not going to bolster your argument about AoC, but only make you look silly. WoW is the number one game ever released for PC, and WAR is actually making a run at that. AoC, if it even survives the next few months, will never be more than a niche game. You found a bug in WAR and bring it here like that actually means anything; pathetic. The problem with AoC is not bugs, and never really has been. Sure, some people really get bothered by any bug they happen to come across, but if gameplay is good they may complain about it but they damn sure will keep playing. Nope, bugs are not the problem. The problem with AoC is that everything sucks, from economy to combat to itemization to over-instancing, just to name a few of the problems, the game is simply not that good, and never will be. Some games have it, some games don't. AoC don't.
Right, and Britney and Justine topped the charts. See where that logic takes you?
Irrellavent. If we were talking about teen pop music successes, Britney is an amazing success. So what?
Irrellavent. If we were talking about teen pop music successes, Britney is an amazing success. So what?
It's just as relevant as the subject you brought up, mass market appeal is no proof a game is the best in every area. Which is what you seemed to be saying. What you're certainly saying is, because you feel those games are better we can't compare them. That's some seriously flawed logic, and just as I thought you dislike the bare bones of what AOC is.
It's not wow and it was never intended to be wow, I really think you need to get over that. Besides if WOW's what you seek it's still going strong (with an expansion on the horizon), war seems to be doing great as well. Why are you so concerned about AOC, you obviously will never play it again?
No one's arguing the game is anything like WOW or WAR, there's no reason for you to be over here arguing that it's not wow, it looks silly. It's just as silly to be over here saying a game sucks (for months), when there are things you obviously enjoy available else where. The game wasn't designed with your tastes in mind, why not leave it at that? Blizzard certainly doesn't need your help with marketing, they're doing quite well.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Within my first several hours of playing WAR, I'd helped take a keep, defended it, shot people with catapults and a ballista, poured boiling oil on a battering ram, killed a dragon, leveled almost entirely on pvp, stuck dwarf heads on pikes, and kicked an elf in the nuts so hard he died. I'd call that some pretty damn satisfying gameplay.
In AoC I never even saw a keep siege in my whole time in that game, only a few on my server had. I chopped people's heads off. Fun the first few times. No thanks.
For a pvper, imho, it's simple. If you don't get xp for player kills, I don't want to play. Have fun grinding mindless boring quests (yes, in conan you will literally kill 5 wolves to get their tails), I'll be leveling up and having fun doing it.
Imho, when your game's project lead resigns citing game failings, you can't exactly go talking smack.
AoC is always going to have it's niche, but from where I'm sitting it has far more failings than warhammer.
I just couldnt help this but, ive never seen anyone shoot through walls or ever been able to shoot through terrain or obstacles or anything in WAR, ive seen you make several posts saying this and its utter crap. Sieges may be working great for you, and the few that can play them, when you can play them. In WAR today I did 12 sieges.
In khaines embrace, any level that lets you in. In the tunnels with the part that comes out to the middle, I've been stood there not attacking and no one in the tunnel and several times I'm getting hit thru the solid wall from people on the outside shooting not from the enterance but all the way thru it. Even seen the purple spells hitting me coming thru the wall itself. You know when you run around the back when both points are locked down and eplosion happens the big rocks there - bam, spells right thru them. Here is a map if you havent played it : pc.ign.com/dor/objects/748723/warhammer-online/images/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034131616.html
Please go see for yourselve im not making it up for the fun of it. Yes I am well aware as previously stated that AoC has mass bugs at release, just want to point out in war these two seem to be normal gameplay. The first issue is auto target where im targetted thru the wall or bolder and the game doesnt take into account whats in the way, the second is clear space and a clocked invisible wall blocks you in the middle of the camp. There are several other issues I have and I really do hope and I am sure they will get fixed up in Warhammer, just like many have in AoC.
Thats nice doing 12 sieges, did you have to go out and get the resources to build them back up again / repair / craft? Fundamental difference between the two games - they are different.
Oh I almost forgot - what about the loading screen after you die in War RvR scenario?? not that it bothers me, as its there in AoC - wonder if those same ppl made a fuss when played AoC do now in War?
Again call Mythic. I have done that scenario a LOT and I have never seen ANYONE including myself just be standing in the tunnels and get hit with anything. Are you sure you arent getting hit from the third doorway?( of course you arent because this is just all made up but I wanted to give you an out)Now sometimes if you are outside of the tunnels and an attack against you has been queued then the animation may be going on as you round the corner but not if you were already in the tunnel out of sight. Im figuring that maybe you willl get a special prize if you turn in your game key because it seems you have a limited edition version of the game.
Those are the walls that you are talking about not being able to jump?LMAO you are a gem. Thank you for the pictures because at least you just providied proof that you are just being ridiculous. You want to jump that wall so you can.......shoot fish? take a swim? I mean honestly is there a quest that requires you to be between that ship and the wall? No?Then why are you bitching
Look at the radar and you see theres nothing but water on the other side of the ship so why are you hellbent on using that to show your view of something thats broken? Again is there a request that requires you to board the ship and then jump off of the other side and swim across an ocean? Again it looks to me like you are at the edge of a map or zone so it would be no different than your precious game. WAR has micu more open terrain than AOC with a very very very small fraction of the amount of zoning of AOC which all in all makes it feel much more like a real world.
You complain about Khaines embrace just being a capture the flag and yet you said you were level 18. So I am guessing that you never did any scenarios once you switched maps or leveled up? Or were you busy trying to jump over walls that werent meant to be jumped over as other players are running around (the much more open world than AOC) able to jump on boulders, over fences, fountains and during combat ( with collision detection some have mentioned isnt in game even though it is. Another sign of rabid fanboys lying) Having to move to block other players or to attack other players.
You really need to cut back on the comparrisons. Hell you need to quit commenting on most everything because stuff like this just shows that you do everything from stretch the truth to flat out lie. That makes you the worst kind of fanboy.
*edit before any fanboys jump on what I said go to that area in WAR and you will see why I called him out on this as an example of something bad about the WAR and then compare it to the limitations of movement in AOC.
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You couldnt find a boulder that would let you jump on it in the Elven area? Strange I do it all the time.Invisible walls? More than AOC after the invisible wall patch?
I will agree with the AOC audio being pretty cool when you turn your head and building a city giving you a sense of owning something in game but thats just fluff. Personally Ill take less fluff more fun any day.
Reading the above it becomes so painfully obvious why you get under peoples skin sometimes. You make some OK points about AOC followed by untruths such as not being able to jump on a rock or that you just cant seem to find invisible barriers in AOC aside from the edges of maps. Or the mob AI being bland. You apparently havent gotten far because there are areas the mobs will come from a great distance to whip on you when you attack someone.
It makes me question how much you have played it WAR and why you would want to compare AOC to a game that was obviously released in a much better condition than the one youcarry a cross for.
The condition of the game really isn't the most important factor to some people. My favorite game of all time was pre-cu galaxies, if I were to judge it by "condition" alone, I'd have to say it was the buggiest POS I'd ever played. However, the innovation, complexity and options more than made up for that IMO. Sure, only about 200k or so people agreed, but in the end does that make a huge difference to my enjoyment? nope....
I basically agree with every critique AA has made about WAR. I also agree when he says it's a well made game, it's just not my cup of tea.
I believe for my taste AOC is a much better choice, simply because to me it emboldens atmosphere over vibrance. It could be argued vibrance is a good choice in creating a unique atmosphere, however it takes away from the lifelike immersive qualitys focusing on pure atompshere opens up.
I don't know exactly how to pinpoint what turned me off in WAR. I will just say in WAR I knew I was playing a game. That's not bad by any measure.... But, the reminder it often screams at you that it is just a game, detracts from that wordly view I trully get from AOC. I feel as though in AOC I am free to make my own choice in what to do at a given moment, where I want to go and what I want to see is all up to me. I did not get this feeling from WAR.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Then you can get banned for killing other players whilst being on that rock.
(Sorry I couldn't resist that one)
Then you can get banned for killing other players whilst being on that rock.
(Sorry I couldn't resist that one)
Not true at all, as long as players can reach you it's all good. It's only against the rules if you're in a spot you're not intended to be in, where you can farm players and mobs out of the reach of damage.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
And now this game is released (we're talking about WAR here) and all of the above still applies.
I forced AA via my gfx card, and a few other little touches, as well....and it's still not really wonderful.
We have to consider though, that if you're comparing WAR to AoC graphically....AoC is DX10...WAR, is not, although for some reason I thought it was going to be. I don't know where I got that idea, but....oh well.
I'm just making this comment though, because the thread is about graphics. For me....graphics don't ENTIRELY dictate my enjoyment of a game. However....there is an immersiveness lacking for me in WAR, that I can't quite put my finger on. For me....it feels like...well...a game. The fighting feels like...."I'm playing a game and I'm fighting against other players." This has bothered me since the preview weekend and on. I just can't seem to "FEEL" this game, and I seriously do NOT know why. The environments just don't feel very immersive.
I haven't tried AoC yet.
Some things in AoC that make me "Feel" the game more than WAR are environmental effects. Graphical effects such as mist and fog that doesn't look like a smudge on my screen, sound effects such as if you see a fire in AoC either on the ground or a torch on the wall, not only does it look real but when you move your character there is positional sound from your speaks as if your turning your head around in real life. Not to mention the wildlife in AoC, Wolves NPC's hunt hare rabit and deer. You walk near wildlife it runs from you realistically. There are more creatures that interact with the lay of the land in AoC, birds that eat dead carcass', fish in the water even. All these little things add up to more immersion for me.
Other neat sound effects are like when your running across different terrain or on horse back the noise you make is different each time for each type of terrain you move on. In WAR is all the same, take a horse on go across grass, sand, rock or Ice in AoC and you will hear positional and difference in sound effects in war its the same noise all the time - there is no difference. This is something that I noticed a lot in War but took for granted in AoC. When I swim in the water or under in AoC its much different than in war where I felt my avatar had 5 animations for swiming and things didn't "feel" right there either.
Warhammer might be more seamless, but I know if there is a boulder in AoC i can jump on it, through the elven tiers I found I couldn't in war. At the edges of AoC there are invisible walls, in war I found these all around me in the open world. In one town I could jump over the barricade by a river, but the barricade the same height at the front of of same town if i try to jump over it I hit an invisible wall in mid air. There are many situations like this I find in war where I don't in AoC - only at the edges of zones in AoC.
War is about War, its everywhere, it accomplishes it's goal by giving you basic character models and basic landscapes to achieve this in higher numbers, thoughts on combat have already been discussed, but I can say in AoC you can have a 100 man sieges and feel crowded and part of visual and engaging experience with keeping decent animations, spell effects, environmental effects etc - 1 month ago this was not possible in AoC - recently its a reality for those taking part in these sieges.
I guess finally for me the "feel" factor comes in when you participate in city construction. You actually help source materials and then build by hand. It's yours, you and your kin own it. It was not given to you, it was not just found miraclousy in the open world, it was made by you, formed by you, designed by you, looked after and repaired by you, it doesn't miraclousy reset either. It's not like one day it got destroyed and 5 hours later it's there perfectly formed again. Ownership gives more meaning and "feel" as its not only something you might of fought to keep but also something you look after too.
These are just some mere points for me which I missed playing warhammer, it was enhanced in AoC in these area's for me. Warhammer has a good start, but really the set up is not so different its alien more like its different as in that relative you see every xmas, nothing changes everytime you see that relative they always look the same.
You can walk into an area with all the same mobs in War, they will be generically placed out along a path, in AoC when you come to a camp and attack some guys on the edge of that camp, if your in the line of sight of others in the camp or if your fighting multiple NPC's one of them will run and alert the others either by running up to them or running to say a horn and blowing it and more will come to help even from far away - its a nice touch which adds to a more immersive, real feeling. Plus weapon swings in melee hit more than one character - now that is something I did miss.
You couldnt find a boulder that would let you jump on it in the Elven area? Strange I do it all the time.Invisible walls? More than AOC after the invisible wall patch?
I will agree with the AOC audio being pretty cool when you turn your head and building a city giving you a sense of owning something in game but thats just fluff. Personally Ill take less fluff more fun any day.
Reading the above it becomes so painfully obvious why you get under peoples skin sometimes. You make some OK points about AOC followed by untruths such as not being able to jump on a rock or that you just cant seem to find invisible barriers in AOC aside from the edges of maps. Or the mob AI being bland. You apparently havent gotten far because there are areas the mobs will come from a great distance to whip on you when you attack someone.
It makes me question how much you have played it WAR and why you would want to compare AOC to a game that was obviously released in a much better condition than the one youcarry a cross for.
Do you really want to compare the quality of implementaion of ideas of Warhammer and AOC one day after launch? You wont win that battle as Tortage will only get you so far.
The fluff you say is the not so great crafting system, but at least it lets me build ,learn how to, and have control over placements in a Keep area. I'm not joking when I say when I am in a zone in AoC there is not no where I can go, my limitations are are the edges of the zones and a quick load screen to the next, in WAR in the Blighted Isle, about 4 towns down, by the docks, forgot the name of the place, but there are 2 troll dudes there and its the first place where you can travel to diff tiers (load screen). Anyway, right there I can not jump over the knee height barriers and bound off invisible walls, I cannot climb boulders in the landscape there or small hill. Its pretty restrictive and I hate taking a forced run around. LvL 18 I made it too as a White Lion I think I experienced enough in terms of mob layout, behaviour and overall A.I. This area alone AoC is far more superior. Khanes Embrace was just a capture the flag map for RvR scenario, I get better minigames in AoC without 1hr ques.
Regardless, I don't think you sub to either game, but thanks for reading my opinion.
And now this game is released (we're talking about WAR here) and all of the above still applies.
I forced AA via my gfx card, and a few other little touches, as well....and it's still not really wonderful.
We have to consider though, that if you're comparing WAR to AoC graphically....AoC is DX10...WAR, is not, although for some reason I thought it was going to be. I don't know where I got that idea, but....oh well.
I'm just making this comment though, because the thread is about graphics. For me....graphics don't ENTIRELY dictate my enjoyment of a game. However....there is an immersiveness lacking for me in WAR, that I can't quite put my finger on. For me....it feels like...well...a game. The fighting feels like...."I'm playing a game and I'm fighting against other players." This has bothered me since the preview weekend and on. I just can't seem to "FEEL" this game, and I seriously do NOT know why. The environments just don't feel very immersive.
I haven't tried AoC yet.
Some things in AoC that make me "Feel" the game more than WAR are environmental effects. Graphical effects such as mist and fog that doesn't look like a smudge on my screen, sound effects such as if you see a fire in AoC either on the ground or a torch on the wall, not only does it look real but when you move your character there is positional sound from your speaks as if your turning your head around in real life. Not to mention the wildlife in AoC, Wolves NPC's hunt hare rabit and deer. You walk near wildlife it runs from you realistically. There are more creatures that interact with the lay of the land in AoC, birds that eat dead carcass', fish in the water even. All these little things add up to more immersion for me.
Other neat sound effects are like when your running across different terrain or on horse back the noise you make is different each time for each type of terrain you move on. In WAR is all the same, take a horse on go across grass, sand, rock or Ice in AoC and you will hear positional and difference in sound effects in war its the same noise all the time - there is no difference. This is something that I noticed a lot in War but took for granted in AoC. When I swim in the water or under in AoC its much different than in war where I felt my avatar had 5 animations for swiming and things didn't "feel" right there either.
Warhammer might be more seamless, but I know if there is a boulder in AoC i can jump on it, through the elven tiers I found I couldn't in war. At the edges of AoC there are invisible walls, in war I found these all around me in the open world. In one town I could jump over the barricade by a river, but the barricade the same height at the front of of same town if i try to jump over it I hit an invisible wall in mid air. There are many situations like this I find in war where I don't in AoC - only at the edges of zones in AoC.
War is about War, its everywhere, it accomplishes it's goal by giving you basic character models and basic landscapes to achieve this in higher numbers, thoughts on combat have already been discussed, but I can say in AoC you can have a 100 man sieges and feel crowded and part of visual and engaging experience with keeping decent animations, spell effects, environmental effects etc - 1 month ago this was not possible in AoC - recently its a reality for those taking part in these sieges.
I guess finally for me the "feel" factor comes in when you participate in city construction. You actually help source materials and then build by hand. It's yours, you and your kin own it. It was not given to you, it was not just found miraclousy in the open world, it was made by you, formed by you, designed by you, looked after and repaired by you, it doesn't miraclousy reset either. It's not like one day it got destroyed and 5 hours later it's there perfectly formed again. Ownership gives more meaning and "feel" as its not only something you might of fought to keep but also something you look after too.
These are just some mere points for me which I missed playing warhammer, it was enhanced in AoC in these area's for me. Warhammer has a good start, but really the set up is not so different its alien more like its different as in that relative you see every xmas, nothing changes everytime you see that relative they always look the same.
You can walk into an area with all the same mobs in War, they will be generically placed out along a path, in AoC when you come to a camp and attack some guys on the edge of that camp, if your in the line of sight of others in the camp or if your fighting multiple NPC's one of them will run and alert the others either by running up to them or running to say a horn and blowing it and more will come to help even from far away - its a nice touch which adds to a more immersive, real feeling. Plus weapon swings in melee hit more than one character - now that is something I did miss.
You couldnt find a boulder that would let you jump on it in the Elven area? Strange I do it all the time.Invisible walls? More than AOC after the invisible wall patch?
I will agree with the AOC audio being pretty cool when you turn your head and building a city giving you a sense of owning something in game but thats just fluff. Personally Ill take less fluff more fun any day.
Reading the above it becomes so painfully obvious why you get under peoples skin sometimes. You make some OK points about AOC followed by untruths such as not being able to jump on a rock or that you just cant seem to find invisible barriers in AOC aside from the edges of maps. Or the mob AI being bland. You apparently havent gotten far because there are areas the mobs will come from a great distance to whip on you when you attack someone.
It makes me question how much you have played it WAR and why you would want to compare AOC to a game that was obviously released in a much better condition than the one youcarry a cross for.
Do you really want to compare the quality of implementaion of ideas of Warhammer and AOC one day after launch? You wont win that battle as Tortage will only get you so far.
The fluff you say is the not so great crafting system, but at least it lets me build ,learn how to, and have control over placements in a Keep area. I'm not joking when I say when I am in a zone in AoC there is not no where I can go, my limitations are are the edges of the zones and a quick load screen to the next, in WAR in the Blighted Isle, about 4 towns down, by the docks, forgot the name of the place, but there are 2 troll dudes there and its the first place where you can travel to diff tiers (load screen). Anyway, right there I can not jump over the knee height barriers and bound off invisible walls, I cannot climb boulders in the landscape there or small hill. Its pretty restrictive and I hate taking a forced run around. LvL 18 I made it too as a White Lion I think I experienced enough in terms of mob layout, behaviour and overall A.I. This area alone AoC is far more superior. Khanes Embrace was just a capture the flag map for RvR scenario, I get better minigames in AoC without 1hr ques.
Regardless, I don't think you sub to either game, but thanks for reading my opinion.
You may need to contact Mythic then because you are the only person I have seen with this problem. I am constantly having to go after other payers on rocks much larger than knee high and do it with no problem. I jump the edges of fointains, fences and barriers all day long with no issues and yet you cant seem to manage. And as far as the queue I guess youve forgottten how long they were in AOC. Thats silly of me. Of course you havent forgotten you just wont say it.
So you knock Khaines embrace and you were level 18. You didnt try tier 2? You didnt try other starting areas scenarios? Again I question how much you played with these views but i expect no less from you.
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You can't DO Khaine's Embrace at lvl 18. You'd be chickenized.
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Sure AoC has graphics. And thats about it.
Well go on and play that dying game. Have fun...
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Oh my, reading this thread makes me feel like no one is actualy realy happy with ANY online game that is availible. Some games reach people expectations on one area, some in other, but there's no "perfection". So ppl who like "that" specific aspect vote for "that" game, and those who like "this" aspect vote for "this" game....
I personaly hate "clickers", also called "auto-attacks". It's just too childish, simple and stupid for me. I prefer to play with my skill over stats of my character and for this i like AOC among all fantasy games. Graphics IS important for same reason - i won't go beyond certain level because i can't have FUN then.
You can spend hours telling me about bugs, crafting and other cr** i don't care about, but it just won't impess me. I simply won't play even perfect game if i don't like it's style of combat, graphics or design.
AOC isn't perfect, but once you stop comparing it to other games (which then just is all about preferences) - it's pretty good, self suficient. It got story, it got combat, quest and stuff. If it was only MMORPG in the world - noone would criticize it.
These are 2 different games with a bit different focus. AOC is more "presonal" while War is more group/faction oriented.
And the last thing - notice what ppl who do not like AOC say - in the end it all comes to words "it's shit". Meaning - they just prefer other game over this one. Among all the cr** i heard about AOC - only 1/10 is true, rest is just up to tastes and preferences.
Example (i have no idea hot to quote in existing message in this forum,sorry)
"Plus the way the zones are set up in AoC makes it even worse, with having to go through one zone just to get to another. "
- i do not agree, i think this is the only right way how it should be done - the realistic one. I hate when you can just jump to area you need. It also helps PVP.
If you think AoC is the future of gaming, we are in a SAD SAD state of gaming, thats for sure.
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No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences. With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'. Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways. Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
That better?
No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences.
With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'.
Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways.
Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
That better?
If that's how you feel, that's fine. At least you took the time to pinpoint exactly what you felt was off with the game. Sorry I had to reformat your post to read it (take no offense).
On the technical front and content end, this game needs a ton of work (even after fixing the leaks). I highly doubt you'll find many people disagreeing with you on those points.
I disagree it's shallow, but it must be said I'm used to games that really offer no content outside of the content you make for yourself (eve, pre-cu swg, ryzom etc..), I couldn't get into the lead you around aspects of WOW (now WAR).
At first AOC was like that (tortage). I'm glad I finished it up and found out the world game play isn't, at least where my play style comes into play. Mob xp is fairly high so I don't have to worry about venturing into town while grinding, I'll do an occasional quest when I'm bored of mob grinding. That's pretty rare though, I'm sure people into directed content will think my play style sounds really boring. Just try to understand that's what i'm accustomed to.
I find quests to be a waste of time, unless they are really well made( single player aspects) AOC offers this to a large degree. My favorite aspect of PVE is through mob grinding groups (socialization) to bad more people don't do this in AOC.
It must be stressed, I really only enjoy PVP. WHich I get plenty of in AOC, my favorite type as well 1v1 or similar small battles are endless on an open PVP server. TBH I couldn't imagine playing this game on a PVE server.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences.
With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'.
Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways.
Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
That better?
If that's how you feel, that's fine. At least you took the time to pinpoint exactly what you felt was off with the game. Sorry I had to reformat your post to read it (take no offense).
Why would I take offense? Perhaps because doing what you did is supposed to be a calculated insult on my grammar? Sorry, but I'm not a big fan of tabloid style one sentence paragraphs. Ive had people patronise me on online forums about that before. I have a different view on it. I hate people who put a space between every single sentence so that the end result is that their entire piece is an unstructured mess. I will only paragraph if a paragraph is warranted within the context of what I say.
And if you think that Im over-reacting, then ask yourself why you knew I would perhaps be offended by what you did?
As to the content of what you posted, there is a difference between games that dont lead you around by the nose intentionally, and games that are obviously unfinished. By the time I got to level 45 in AOC I found that one simply had to do stupid 'kill 40 xxx' quests, or do the repeatable villa quests to continue levelling. The reason for this is simple. They did not finish the game. The content is there for other level groups, so your point doesnt really stand. People seem to be almost bending over backwards to defend this game against common sense. The game isn't what you say it is because thats the way it is supposed to be. Its that way because it wasn't finished.
No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences.
With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'.
Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways.
Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
That better?
If that's how you feel, that's fine. At least you took the time to pinpoint exactly what you felt was off with the game. Sorry I had to reformat your post to read it (take no offense).
Why would I take offense? Perhaps because doing what you did is supposed to be a calculated insult on my grammar? Sorry, but I'm not a big fan of tabloid style one sentence paragraphs. Ive had people patronise me on online forums about that before. I have a different view on it. I hate people who put a space between every single sentence so that the end result is that their entire piece is an unstructured mess. I will only paragraph if a paragraph is warranted within the context of what I say.
And if you think that Im over-reacting, then ask yourself why you knew I would perhaps be offended by what you did?
As to the content of what you posted, there is a difference between games that dont lead you around by the nose intentionally, and games that are obviously unfinished. By the time I got to level 45 in AOC I found that one simply had to do stupid 'kill 40 xxx' quests, or do the repeatable villa quests to continue levelling. The reason for this is simple. They did not finish the game. The content is there for other level groups, so your point doesnt really stand. People seem to be almost bending over backwards to defend this game against common sense. The game isn't what you say it is because thats the way it is supposed to be. Its that way because it wasn't finished.
It hurts my eyes to try and read posts like that, in order to read it I quoted it and split it up. I included no offense to basically say, I'm not trying to patronize your style or one up you as you just explained.
Oh jeez, here we go.. I gave you a reason why I felt the game wasn't shallow, nothing more. How in anyway is that bending over backwards to defend the game? I have no reason to attempt to defend any game. If you're saying it's shallow due to an unfinished state say so, you didn't. Had you I would not of disagreed. From a feature stand point I do not believe the game is shallow.Which is what I was referring to in my post.
I completely agree from a high level questing angle the game is shallow, if you had read the other portion of my post you cut out. You would of figured out, I'm not big into questing so it's really no skin off by back.
Edit- btw did you even read this part ? "On the technical front and content end, this game needs a ton of work (even after fixing the leaks). I highly doubt you'll find many people disagreeing with you on those points."
You don't have to answer, you obviously didn't.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences.
With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'.
Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways.
Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
That better?
If that's how you feel, that's fine. At least you took the time to pinpoint exactly what you felt was off with the game. Sorry I had to reformat your post to read it (take no offense).
Why would I take offense? Perhaps because doing what you did is supposed to be a calculated insult on my grammar? Sorry, but I'm not a big fan of tabloid style one sentence paragraphs. Ive had people patronise me on online forums about that before. I have a different view on it. I hate people who put a space between every single sentence so that the end result is that their entire piece is an unstructured mess. I will only paragraph if a paragraph is warranted within the context of what I say.
And if you think that Im over-reacting, then ask yourself why you knew I would perhaps be offended by what you did?
As to the content of what you posted, there is a difference between games that dont lead you around by the nose intentionally, and games that are obviously unfinished. By the time I got to level 45 in AOC I found that one simply had to do stupid 'kill 40 xxx' quests, or do the repeatable villa quests to continue levelling. The reason for this is simple. They did not finish the game. The content is there for other level groups, so your point doesnt really stand. People seem to be almost bending over backwards to defend this game against common sense. The game isn't what you say it is because thats the way it is supposed to be. Its that way because it wasn't finished.
You don't have to answer, you obviously didn't.
Yes I became so irrationally pre-occupied by the perceived slight on my sentence structure that I didnt really give a shit what you had actually written about the topic at hand.
That's understandable, if you're not being sarcastic. I understood what you were saying, you're only trying to use a paragraph in its proper form. You also have to consider some like me are far sighted (only slightly in my case, no need for glasses) however, jumbles of text like that can be quite painful. I could have ignored your post all together, but I feel that would be even more disrespectful.
My post was in no way condescending, at least it wasn't meant to be, just an addition to friendly debate.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No, you are incorrect. People, these days, tend to summarise all the flaws by saying 'Its shit' because they dont have time to catalogue the hundreds of flaws in the game for the millionth time. Just read through this forum a bit and you will see why 'Its shit' is not just a subjective interpretation of one person's experiences and preferences.
With AOC's case 'Its shit' actually usually refers to a litany of cockups, broken game functions, bugs, crashes and god knows what else. This is in direct, objective comparison with games which aren't 'shit'. Some people say 'its shit' and mean 'I dont like it'.
Other people say 'its shit' and it means 'objectively the standards of this games functionality in many aspects is below the standard that we expect from a new game in this genre'. When I say AOC 'is shit' I mean it in both ways.
Objectively the game is shit when compared to the high technical standards of things like WAR and WOW to name the two most famous games in this genre, and subjectively I think the game is shit because I found it to be dull, shallow, tedious, lacking in content, incomplete in an extreme sense and unenjoyable.
That better?
If that's how you feel, that's fine. At least you took the time to pinpoint exactly what you felt was off with the game. Sorry I had to reformat your post to read it (take no offense).
On the technical front and content end, this game needs a ton of work (even after fixing the leaks). I highly doubt you'll find many people disagreeing with you on those points.
I disagree it's shallow, but it must be said I'm used to games that really offer no content outside of the content you make for yourself (eve, pre-cu swg, ryzom etc..), I couldn't get into the lead you around aspects of WOW (now WAR).
At first AOC was like that (tortage). I'm glad I finished it up and found out the world game play isn't, at least where my play style comes into play. Mob xp is fairly high so I don't have to worry about venturing into town while grinding, I'll do an occasional quest when I'm bored of mob grinding. That's pretty rare though, I'm sure people into directed content will think my play style sounds really boring. Just try to understand that's what i'm accustomed to.
I find quests to be a waste of time, unless they are really well made( single player aspects) AOC offers this to a large degree. My favorite aspect of PVE is through mob grinding groups (socialization) to bad more people don't do this in AOC.
It must be stressed, I really only enjoy PVP. WHich I get plenty of in AOC, my favorite type as well 1v1 or similar small battles are endless on an open PVP server. TBH I couldn't imagine playing this game on a PVE server.
Oh dear another expert commenting on AoC... Man, probably the whole AoC community disagree with you on your statements above. I don't even wanna try to inform you on Patch 2.0 content... Why would I really if you played the game (or maybe you don't)... Dude, read up or log on.
You want me to say AoC didn't have similar bugs? Course it did, and I know for a fact warhammer is suffering the same thing from first hand experience.
Of course the only way to know if its fixed in AoC is to play it now or ask God yourself.
I can always put a video up of experiences in both games, then again playing perfectly working sieges is more fun for me (with everything else I have said in this thread)
I just couldnt help this but, ive never seen anyone shoot through walls or ever been able to shoot through terrain or obstacles or anything in WAR, ive seen you make several posts saying this and its utter crap.
Sieges may be working great for you, and the few that can play them, when you can play them. In WAR today I did 12 sieges.
In khaines embrace, any level that lets you in. In the tunnels with the part that comes out to the middle, I've been stood there not attacking and no one in the tunnel and several times I'm getting hit thru the solid wall from people on the outside shooting not from the enterance but all the way thru it. Even seen the purple spells hitting me coming thru the wall itself. You know when you run around the back when both points are locked down and eplosion happens the big rocks there - bam, spells right thru them. Here is a map if you havent played it : pc.ign.com/dor/objects/748723/warhammer-online/images/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034131616.html
This picture: http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/910/910296/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034048428.jpg Shows the camp - right behind the player there are barricades knee high you go to jump them as obvious you can and you hit an invisible wall and have to use the main front enterance and walk in.
Please go see for yourselve im not making it up for the fun of it. Yes I am well aware as previously stated that AoC has mass bugs at release, just want to point out in war these two seem to be normal gameplay. The first issue is auto target where im targetted thru the wall or bolder and the game doesnt take into account whats in the way, the second is clear space and a clocked invisible wall blocks you in the middle of the camp. There are several other issues I have and I really do hope and I am sure they will get fixed up in Warhammer, just like many have in AoC.
Thats nice doing 12 sieges, did you have to go out and get the resources to build them back up again / repair / craft? Fundamental difference between the two games - they are different.
Oh I almost forgot - what about the loading screen after you die in War RvR scenario?? not that it bothers me, as its there in AoC - wonder if those same ppl made a fuss when played AoC do now in War?
In khaines embrace, any level that lets you in. In the tunnels with the part that comes out to the middle, I've been stood there not attacking and no one in the tunnel and several times I'm getting hit thru the solid wall from people on the outside shooting not from the enterance but all the way thru it. Even seen the purple spells hitting me coming thru the wall itself. You know when you run around the back when both points are locked down and eplosion happens the big rocks there - bam, spells right thru them. Here is a map if you havent played it : pc.ign.com/dor/objects/748723/warhammer-online/images/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034131616.html
This picture: http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/910/910296/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034048428.jpg Shows the camp - right behind the player there are barricades knee high you go to jump them as obvious you can and you hit an invisible wall and have to use the main front enterance and walk in.
Please go see for yourselve im not making it up for the fun of it. Yes I am well aware as previously stated that AoC has mass bugs at release, just want to point out in war these two seem to be normal gameplay. The first issue is auto target where im targetted thru the wall or bolder and the game doesnt take into account whats in the way, the second is clear space and a clocked invisible wall blocks you in the middle of the camp. There are several other issues I have and I really do hope and I am sure they will get fixed up in Warhammer, just like many have in AoC.
Thats nice doing 12 sieges, did you have to go out and get the resources to build them back up again / repair / craft? Fundamental difference between the two games - they are different.
Oh I almost forgot - what about the loading screen after you die in War RvR scenario?? not that it bothers me, as its there in AoC - wonder if those same ppl made a fuss when played AoC do now in War?
I've said it before, but I'll say it again: you fanboys trying to compare AoC to first-rate games such as WoW and WAR is not going to bolster your argument about AoC, but only make you look silly. WoW is the number one game ever released for PC, and WAR is actually making a run at that. AoC, if it even survives the next few months, will never be more than a niche game. You found a bug in WAR and bring it here like that actually means anything; pathetic. The problem with AoC is not bugs, and never really has been. Sure, some people really get bothered by any bug they happen to come across, but if gameplay is good they may complain about it but they damn sure will keep playing. Nope, bugs are not the problem. The problem with AoC is that everything sucks, from economy to combat to itemization to over-instancing, just to name a few of the problems, the game is simply not that good, and never will be. Some games have it, some games don't. AoC don't.
What would they disagree about? I really don't know what you're referring to? Did they not fix the leaks to a pretty decent level? Seems so on my end anyway, everyone's rig is different though.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
In khaines embrace, any level that lets you in. In the tunnels with the part that comes out to the middle, I've been stood there not attacking and no one in the tunnel and several times I'm getting hit thru the solid wall from people on the outside shooting not from the enterance but all the way thru it. Even seen the purple spells hitting me coming thru the wall itself. You know when you run around the back when both points are locked down and eplosion happens the big rocks there - bam, spells right thru them. Here is a map if you havent played it : pc.ign.com/dor/objects/748723/warhammer-online/images/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034131616.html
This picture: http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/910/910296/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034048428.jpg Shows the camp - right behind the player there are barricades knee high you go to jump them as obvious you can and you hit an invisible wall and have to use the main front enterance and walk in.
Please go see for yourselve im not making it up for the fun of it. Yes I am well aware as previously stated that AoC has mass bugs at release, just want to point out in war these two seem to be normal gameplay. The first issue is auto target where im targetted thru the wall or bolder and the game doesnt take into account whats in the way, the second is clear space and a clocked invisible wall blocks you in the middle of the camp. There are several other issues I have and I really do hope and I am sure they will get fixed up in Warhammer, just like many have in AoC.
Thats nice doing 12 sieges, did you have to go out and get the resources to build them back up again / repair / craft? Fundamental difference between the two games - they are different.
Oh I almost forgot - what about the loading screen after you die in War RvR scenario?? not that it bothers me, as its there in AoC - wonder if those same ppl made a fuss when played AoC do now in War?
I've said it before, but I'll say it again: you fanboys trying to compare AoC to first-rate games such as WoW and WAR is not going to bolster your argument about AoC, but only make you look silly. WoW is the number one game ever released for PC, and WAR is actually making a run at that. AoC, if it even survives the next few months, will never be more than a niche game. You found a bug in WAR and bring it here like that actually means anything; pathetic. The problem with AoC is not bugs, and never really has been. Sure, some people really get bothered by any bug they happen to come across, but if gameplay is good they may complain about it but they damn sure will keep playing. Nope, bugs are not the problem. The problem with AoC is that everything sucks, from economy to combat to itemization to over-instancing, just to name a few of the problems, the game is simply not that good, and never will be. Some games have it, some games don't. AoC don't.
Right, and Britney and Justine topped the charts. See where that logic takes you?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
In khaines embrace, any level that lets you in. In the tunnels with the part that comes out to the middle, I've been stood there not attacking and no one in the tunnel and several times I'm getting hit thru the solid wall from people on the outside shooting not from the enterance but all the way thru it. Even seen the purple spells hitting me coming thru the wall itself. You know when you run around the back when both points are locked down and eplosion happens the big rocks there - bam, spells right thru them. Here is a map if you havent played it : pc.ign.com/dor/objects/748723/warhammer-online/images/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034131616.html
This picture: http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/910/910296/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034048428.jpg Shows the camp - right behind the player there are barricades knee high you go to jump them as obvious you can and you hit an invisible wall and have to use the main front enterance and walk in.
Please go see for yourselve im not making it up for the fun of it. Yes I am well aware as previously stated that AoC has mass bugs at release, just want to point out in war these two seem to be normal gameplay. The first issue is auto target where im targetted thru the wall or bolder and the game doesnt take into account whats in the way, the second is clear space and a clocked invisible wall blocks you in the middle of the camp. There are several other issues I have and I really do hope and I am sure they will get fixed up in Warhammer, just like many have in AoC.
Thats nice doing 12 sieges, did you have to go out and get the resources to build them back up again / repair / craft? Fundamental difference between the two games - they are different.
Oh I almost forgot - what about the loading screen after you die in War RvR scenario?? not that it bothers me, as its there in AoC - wonder if those same ppl made a fuss when played AoC do now in War?
I've said it before, but I'll say it again: you fanboys trying to compare AoC to first-rate games such as WoW and WAR is not going to bolster your argument about AoC, but only make you look silly. WoW is the number one game ever released for PC, and WAR is actually making a run at that. AoC, if it even survives the next few months, will never be more than a niche game. You found a bug in WAR and bring it here like that actually means anything; pathetic. The problem with AoC is not bugs, and never really has been. Sure, some people really get bothered by any bug they happen to come across, but if gameplay is good they may complain about it but they damn sure will keep playing. Nope, bugs are not the problem. The problem with AoC is that everything sucks, from economy to combat to itemization to over-instancing, just to name a few of the problems, the game is simply not that good, and never will be. Some games have it, some games don't. AoC don't.
Right, and Britney and Justine topped the charts. See where that logic takes you?
Irrellavent. If we were talking about teen pop music successes, Britney is an amazing success. So what?
Irrellavent. If we were talking about teen pop music successes, Britney is an amazing success. So what?
It's just as relevant as the subject you brought up, mass market appeal is no proof a game is the best in every area. Which is what you seemed to be saying. What you're certainly saying is, because you feel those games are better we can't compare them. That's some seriously flawed logic, and just as I thought you dislike the bare bones of what AOC is.
It's not wow and it was never intended to be wow, I really think you need to get over that. Besides if WOW's what you seek it's still going strong (with an expansion on the horizon), war seems to be doing great as well. Why are you so concerned about AOC, you obviously will never play it again?
No one's arguing the game is anything like WOW or WAR, there's no reason for you to be over here arguing that it's not wow, it looks silly. It's just as silly to be over here saying a game sucks (for months), when there are things you obviously enjoy available else where. The game wasn't designed with your tastes in mind, why not leave it at that? Blizzard certainly doesn't need your help with marketing, they're doing quite well.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Within my first several hours of playing WAR, I'd helped take a keep, defended it, shot people with catapults and a ballista, poured boiling oil on a battering ram, killed a dragon, leveled almost entirely on pvp, stuck dwarf heads on pikes, and kicked an elf in the nuts so hard he died. I'd call that some pretty damn satisfying gameplay.
In AoC I never even saw a keep siege in my whole time in that game, only a few on my server had. I chopped people's heads off. Fun the first few times. No thanks.
For a pvper, imho, it's simple. If you don't get xp for player kills, I don't want to play. Have fun grinding mindless boring quests (yes, in conan you will literally kill 5 wolves to get their tails), I'll be leveling up and having fun doing it.
Imho, when your game's project lead resigns citing game failings, you can't exactly go talking smack.
AoC is always going to have it's niche, but from where I'm sitting it has far more failings than warhammer.
In khaines embrace, any level that lets you in. In the tunnels with the part that comes out to the middle, I've been stood there not attacking and no one in the tunnel and several times I'm getting hit thru the solid wall from people on the outside shooting not from the enterance but all the way thru it. Even seen the purple spells hitting me coming thru the wall itself. You know when you run around the back when both points are locked down and eplosion happens the big rocks there - bam, spells right thru them. Here is a map if you havent played it : pc.ign.com/dor/objects/748723/warhammer-online/images/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034131616.html
This picture: http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/910/910296/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-20080915034048428.jpg Shows the camp - right behind the player there are barricades knee high you go to jump them as obvious you can and you hit an invisible wall and have to use the main front enterance and walk in.
Please go see for yourselve im not making it up for the fun of it. Yes I am well aware as previously stated that AoC has mass bugs at release, just want to point out in war these two seem to be normal gameplay. The first issue is auto target where im targetted thru the wall or bolder and the game doesnt take into account whats in the way, the second is clear space and a clocked invisible wall blocks you in the middle of the camp. There are several other issues I have and I really do hope and I am sure they will get fixed up in Warhammer, just like many have in AoC.
Thats nice doing 12 sieges, did you have to go out and get the resources to build them back up again / repair / craft? Fundamental difference between the two games - they are different.
Oh I almost forgot - what about the loading screen after you die in War RvR scenario?? not that it bothers me, as its there in AoC - wonder if those same ppl made a fuss when played AoC do now in War?
Again call Mythic. I have done that scenario a LOT and I have never seen ANYONE including myself just be standing in the tunnels and get hit with anything. Are you sure you arent getting hit from the third doorway?( of course you arent because this is just all made up but I wanted to give you an out)Now sometimes if you are outside of the tunnels and an attack against you has been queued then the animation may be going on as you round the corner but not if you were already in the tunnel out of sight. Im figuring that maybe you willl get a special prize if you turn in your game key because it seems you have a limited edition version of the game.
Those are the walls that you are talking about not being able to jump?LMAO you are a gem. Thank you for the pictures because at least you just providied proof that you are just being ridiculous. You want to jump that wall so you can.......shoot fish? take a swim? I mean honestly is there a quest that requires you to be between that ship and the wall? No?Then why are you bitching
Look at the radar and you see theres nothing but water on the other side of the ship so why are you hellbent on using that to show your view of something thats broken? Again is there a request that requires you to board the ship and then jump off of the other side and swim across an ocean? Again it looks to me like you are at the edge of a map or zone so it would be no different than your precious game. WAR has micu more open terrain than AOC with a very very very small fraction of the amount of zoning of AOC which all in all makes it feel much more like a real world.
You complain about Khaines embrace just being a capture the flag and yet you said you were level 18. So I am guessing that you never did any scenarios once you switched maps or leveled up? Or were you busy trying to jump over walls that werent meant to be jumped over as other players are running around (the much more open world than AOC) able to jump on boulders, over fences, fountains and during combat ( with collision detection some have mentioned isnt in game even though it is. Another sign of rabid fanboys lying) Having to move to block other players or to attack other players.
You really need to cut back on the comparrisons. Hell you need to quit commenting on most everything because stuff like this just shows that you do everything from stretch the truth to flat out lie. That makes you the worst kind of fanboy.
*edit before any fanboys jump on what I said go to that area in WAR and you will see why I called him out on this as an example of something bad about the WAR and then compare it to the limitations of movement in AOC.
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