But the sole fact that this game will be refreshingly different from 90% of the games out there will give it the boost it needs. That's common sense.
How is a Sandbox PvP game based on ideas from 1999 "refreshingly different" ?
Darkfall is nothing more than a Shadowbane clone with Horses and boats floating around.
You had a half decent argument going up until this point.. But now, you're full of fail.
Really? In what way?
I think you see this game based on what you WANT IT TO BE rather than what IT REALLY IS which is nothing more than a glorified Shadowbane clone based on ideas from Ultima Online and Asheron's Call 1 seven + years ago.
Take a look at where Shadowbane and AC1 are right now.
You see it the way you want it to be too because NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHAT THE GAME IS LIKE YET.
And what do you think WAR is? It's based on EQ and DaoC but it's doing well isn't it?
As feature rich as WoW? Darkfall have alot more features then WoW. Based on what? You're need for it to be that way? And Darkfall features isn't the carebear one's. Who cares? How does that equate to success? Have a nice day You too
Darkfall feature list, its a long one so i suggest you get some coffee -
You are assuming an awful lot yourself, with your speculation. I'm waiting for the game, to see if they hold up to eveyrthing they said. I'm not assuming it will be awesome, i'm hoping it will be.
Like your mama always said, don't assume, for it will make an ass out of you and me. And opening your mouth, kinda did that.
I am not assuming a lot. My assumptions are more valid than a fanboy who comes along and says this game HAS more features than WoW. How ridiculous is that?
The *FACT* of the matter is this game has not demonstrated that 90% of it's intended features are even THERE. The last video showed nothing more than the same stuff they showed years back only the video was longer with a few more locations. But it was basically nothing new.
As feature rich as WoW? Darkfall have alot more features then WoW. Based on what? You're need for it to be that way? And Darkfall features isn't the carebear one's. Who cares? How does that equate to success? Have a nice day You too
Darkfall feature list, its a long one so i suggest you get some coffee -
I see. So I am assuming you have actually seen all these features in the game? And actually working as intended?
I have seen enough to have faith in what the developers of Darkfall claims. Developers of Darkfall already stated out that the game is feature complete. Statements like that i have faith in.
Alot more faith then i get from anyone on this thread or on this site that's calling out for cautions concerning the feature list.
Honestly a useless thread so don't feed the trolls (which I am doing with this post lol) he obviously just came into the forum because he has nothing better to do and just wants to pick a fight, now I do agree that darkfall is not genuinly innovative, but what darkfall does is it takes some of the best ideas from other games, not just mmos, and integrates them together to create a seemingly perfect game (my opinion) instead of doing what jacobs did and just copy games that were popular and sucessful but in reality brought nothing exciting to the table except a WoW/DAoC hybrid that is extremely linear and therefore aims to a totally different set of players than darkfall. I do agree with him that darkfall will not be competing with the mmo "giants" but that was never darkfall's intentions, what darkfall's purpose was from the very beginning to cater to old school mmo gamers that like sandbox games rather than dull linear ones. What this ignorant OP fails to realise is that a lot of money has been put into darkfall already and that adventurine has been working on this game for MANY years in order to be capable of making an epic mmo such as what darkfall promisses to be. I think darkfall is start small, but much like EVE it will grow as it goes along and will finaly bring a good mmo that will last for years for those of us that are bored with crap such as WoW, LotRO, WAR, and so on so forth. Now in all honestly I am playing WAR until DF releases.
As feature rich as WoW? Darkfall have alot more features then WoW. Based on what? You're need for it to be that way? And Darkfall features isn't the carebear one's. Who cares? How does that equate to success? Have a nice day You too
Darkfall feature list, its a long one so i suggest you get some coffee -
I see. So I am assuming you have actually seen all these features in the game? And actually working as intended?
I have seen enough to have faith in what the developers of Darkfall claims.
Alot more faith then i get from anyone on this thread or on this site that's calling out for cautions concerning the feature list.
Cautions based on what?=)
Cautions based on the fact that only new and worthwhile video ever released of this game over 7 years shows nothing more than a generic combat system and the same stuff they have been showing for the past 7 years in other shorter video clips?
I am not assuming a lot. My assumptions are more valid than a fanboy who comes along and says this game HAS more features than WoW. How ridiculous is that? The *FACT* of the matter is this game has not demonstrated that 90% of it's intended features are even THERE. The last video showed nothing more than the same stuff they showed years back only the video was longer with a few more locations. But it was basically nothing new.
As feature rich as WoW? Darkfall have alot more features then WoW. Based on what? You're need for it to be that way? And Darkfall features isn't the carebear one's. Who cares? How does that equate to success? Have a nice day You too
Darkfall feature list, its a long one so i suggest you get some coffee -
I see. So I am assuming you have actually seen all these features in the game? And actually working as intended?
I have seen enough to have faith in what the developers of Darkfall claims.
Alot more faith then i get from anyone on this thread or on this site that's calling out for cautions concerning the feature list.
Cautions based on what?=)
Have a nice one
Well Aragon, we know you are a "lost" cause and that you would rather choke than ever consider -NOT- believing anything Aventurine says. So my urging for caution is not geared towards you.
Blind Faith is never a good thing. I've learned that the hard way. It's nothing against Aventurine. It's nothing against people who like DF or who want it to succeed. I want it to succeed. But until it delivers what it promised, and now listen closely, IT WILL NOT BE -FACT-!
Your assuming alot. You're assumptions is worth nothing. It's 100% feature complete, not 90%. Based on what? A video showing a generic combat system? Is that what Darkfall is? Feature complete? Than I suppose it's feature complete. Have a nice day
Why are people argue with OP? He think his subjective thoughts are better than everyone else and wont change his mind about it.
A typical attitude from a rejected soul raising the self-esteem over the internet playing important.
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
As feature rich as WoW? Darkfall have alot more features then WoW. Based on what? You're need for it to be that way? And Darkfall features isn't the carebear one's. Who cares? How does that equate to success? Have a nice day You too
Darkfall feature list, its a long one so i suggest you get some coffee -
I see. So I am assuming you have actually seen all these features in the game? And actually working as intended?
I have seen enough to have faith in what the developers of Darkfall claims.
Alot more faith then i get from anyone on this thread or on this site that's calling out for cautions concerning the feature list.
Cautions based on what?=)
Have a nice one
Well Aragon, we know you are a "lost" cause and that you would rather choke than ever consider -NOT- believing anything Aventurine says. So my urging for caution is not geared towards you.
Blind Faith is never a good thing. I've learned that the hard way. It's nothing against Aventurine. It's nothing against people who like DF or who want it to succeed. I want it to succeed. But until it delivers what it promised, and now listen closely, IT WILL NOT BE -FACT-!
That's all I am saying.
Did you read that i said i have faith in the developers.
The *FACT* of the matter is this game has not demonstrated that 90% of it's intended features are even THERE. The last video showed nothing more than the same stuff they showed years back only the video was longer with a few more locations. But it was basically nothing new.
Nothing new? I think seeing working real time melee, spell, naval, warhulk and mounted combat and archery, clan city building and destroying, massive fights, the ability to climb with no invisible wall shit, the working physics with nice projectile trajectories, different types of ships and ship destroying, mobs equiping dead players' equipment, the incredible looking sky, enviroments and mount animations? But meh, why do i even bother you're just an ignorant prick that sees EA as gaming gods.
Why can't i have that "generic combat system" in WoW or in WAR when they're developed by big and professional companies?
Honestly I don't see the point of this post but I will reply.
WoW isn't feature rich. DarkFall is.
DarkFall is a Sandbox. There isn't another title on the market currently that gives you an up to date fantasy sandbox. UO is a limited Sandbox now days so even that is fading away. War/WoW/AoC/EQ2 ect. all have the same style of play so are all in direct competition with each other in some way. DarkFall is in competition with UO/Shadowbane and MMO's of this nature. They don't have to be a big company to understand this. Players now days tend to play a few MMORPG's or atleast have multiple accounts for the ones they enjoy. I don't see how DarkFall will fail knowing this.
Are you saying they will fail because they care about the game to some extent. Which is the reason they would not go with a big name publisher. Aventurine wants to retain control over DarkFall. This is by far a good thing in my opinion.
Are they going to fail because they want everyone to play the game free without having to pre-order first or things of this nature? DarkFall wants you to see if you will enjoy the game spending a dime on it. Yes it costs them money but gains them a bit of respect where the rest of the industry would rather get your money regardless. Hype hype hype wanna see what the hype is about? Then but the game don't like it? to bad you justy dropped 50-60 bucks and we love you for it.
Are you saying there are going to fail because they don't have the means to develop DarkFall or advertise it? Well it's already developed and releasing this year oO. As far as advertising........ Plenty of people already seem to know about it. If they do decide to start a formal advertising campaigne it wouldn't have to be large because DarkFall is a game ive seen talked about on many many many forums. The game stop I go to here in Conneticut, well even they are talking about DarkFall. So doesnt seem like they need to spend millions to convience people they will like it. There current plan of letting people try it before they buy it from the get go seems like a winner for me.
The fact we have so many trolls trying there best to spout as much Vaporware propaganda as they can before launch is kind of a good sign that people already know about DarkFall.
It's a new world man. TV advertising isn't always needed. Grass Root campaigns have been proven methods for a long time and are still used as an effective means of advertising. With the internet and the millions of forums out there it's not hard to get the word out. Big buisness of course hates for people to think like that cause well hell they lose money.
DarkFall isn't going the Hype you into oblivion keep DarkFall in your face 24/7 just to get you to pre order the game just to try it so we can get your money either wat route. There confident in there game and are willing to let it speak for itself which is going to net them and help them retain far more players than you would think. I'm not saying WoW numbers, DarkFall isn't as simple and generic as other games so it won't be for everyone, but it will pull respectable numbers and it won't have as high a turn over rate as other MMO's.
Your assuming alot. You're assumptions is worth nothing. It's 100% feature complete, not 90%. Based on what? A video showing a generic combat system? Is that what Darkfall is? Feature complete? Than I suppose it's feature complete. Have a nice day
Ok since you continualy argue that DarkFall is not feature complete you must have played it. I am of course assuming this since the basis for your arguement is that since he hasn't played it he can't know that it is feature complete I would assume that you would fall under the same requirements. If you havent played DarkFall then you can not say it isn't feature complete. We are of course going based on the word of those Developing the game itself and probably have a better view point than you do, meaning they actual know whats in and whats not unlike you.
Having said that the feature list of DarkFall far surpases WoW's. If they only manage to deliver on half of the list they still Surpase WoW's features. Considering the only thing we have to go by at the moment is the Devs saying DarkFall is feature complete we have to take it as it stands for now until someone has some proof to the contrary. I don't mean opinions from those they have not seen it but actual proof.
Honestly I don't see the point of this post but I will reply. WoW isn't feature rich. DarkFall is. DarkFall is a Sandbox. There isn't another title on the market currently that gives you an up to date fantasy sandbox. UO is a limited Sandbox now days so even that is fading away. War/WoW/AoC/EQ2 ect. all have the same style of play so are all in direct competition with each other in some way. DarkFall is in competition with UO/Shadowbane and MMO's of this nature. They don't have to be a big company to understand this. Players now days tend to play a few MMORPG's or atleast have multiple accounts for the ones they enjoy. I don't see how DarkFall will fail knowing this. Are you saying they will fail because they care about the game to some extent. Which is the reason they would not go with a big name publisher. Aventurine wants to retain control over DarkFall. This is by far a good thing in my opinion. Are they going to fail because they want everyone to play the game free without having to pre-order first or things of this nature? DarkFall wants you to see if you will enjoy the game spending a dime on it. Yes it costs them money but gains them a bit of respect where the rest of the industry would rather get your money regardless. Hype hype hype wanna see what the hype is about? Then but the game don't like it? to bad you justy dropped 50-60 bucks and we love you for it. Are you saying there are going to fail because they don't have the means to develop DarkFall or advertise it? Well it's already developed and releasing this year oO. As far as advertising........ Plenty of people already seem to know about it. If they do decide to start a formal advertising campaigne it wouldn't have to be large because DarkFall is a game ive seen talked about on many many many forums. The game stop I go to here in Conneticut, well even they are talking about DarkFall. So doesnt seem like they need to spend millions to convience people they will like it. There current plan of letting people try it before they buy it from the get go seems like a winner for me. The fact we have so many trolls trying there best to spout as much Vaporware propaganda as they can before launch is kind of a good sign that people already know about DarkFall. It's a new world man. TV advertising isn't always needed. Grass Root campaigns have been proven methods for a long time and are still used as an effective means of advertising. With the internet and the millions of forums out there it's not hard to get the word out. Big buisness of course hates for people to think like that cause well hell they lose money. DarkFall isn't going the Hype you into oblivion keep DarkFall in your face 24/7 just to get you to pre order the game just to try it so we can get your money either wat route. There confident in there game and are willing to let it speak for itself which is going to net them and help them retain far more players than you would think. I'm not saying WoW numbers, DarkFall isn't as simple and generic as other games so it won't be for everyone, but it will pull respectable numbers and it won't have as high a turn over rate as other MMO's.
Good post man, I just don't have the patience for writing stuff like that out.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Self-confessed DF fanboy. Finally a real ****ing MMO.
Your assuming alot. You're assumptions is worth nothing. It's 100% feature complete, not 90%. Based on what? A video showing a generic combat system? Is that what Darkfall is? Feature complete? Than I suppose it's feature complete. Have a nice day
Ok since you continualy argue that DarkFall is not feature complete you must have played it. I am of course assuming this since the basis for your arguement is that since he hasn't played it he can't know that it is feature complete I would assume that you would fall under the same requirements. If you havent played DarkFall then you can not say it isn't feature complete. We are of course going based on the word of those Developing the game itself and probably have a better view point than you do, meaning they actual know whats in and whats not unlike you.
Having said that the feature list of DarkFall far surpases WoW's. If they only manage to deliver on half of the list they still Surpase WoW's features. Considering the only thing we have to go by at the moment is the Devs saying DarkFall is feature complete we have to take it as it stands for now until someone has some proof to the contrary. I don't mean opinions from those they have not seen it but actual proof.
Yeah....and when people called others idiotic fanbois when saying that about AoC and FunCom, that was justified...because? Seriously. Most of the people hyping this game have bashed other games as trash more than once, even before release. And you are surprised DF gets the same treatment? Considering there is far LESS to show for DF than there was for AoC (and look how that turned out) or for WAR?
All we have is the word of the developers. some people choose to have faith in that, others do not. Both are valid points. To say it -WILL- fail or it -WILL- succeed on the other hand, are both not valid.
I would agree with the statement if Darkfall was directly competing with WoW, or WAR.. but it isnt.. it is very difficult for companies like FUNCOM who have a much smaller budget and are trying to make an WoW clone to really get a grip on the market. Aventurine however is making a game for a different type of player, it is a marketplaces which is esentially untapped but the demand for it is obvious... I'm an mmorpg player.. yet I'm not playing anything, because there is nothing for me to play right now. there are many others like me who arent considering which I would play, WoW or Darkfall. I'm considering, Darkfall or nothing for a few years when Earthrise/Fallen Earth/Mortal Online may or may not happen...
Why are we arguing with someone who, openly admitted, that he does not play any MMO's. It's like seeing a newscaster who never played vide games, reviewing a game. It's pointless, a waste of time, and laughably hilarious. No one can say what Darkfall will be like when it releases, how it will stand up to the big guys, and how it will last. Just as AoC was, everyone thought it would be awesome, this and that, but look now, people hate Funcom. They had plenty of money, and they delivered a broken, half finished, bugged game. And it was one of the most anticipated games. My suggestion to the OP is rhis. If you don't play MMO's, then go elsewhere, because all you are here, is a troll with nothing better to do. Ypur speculation and words hold less sway, power, or opinion than someone who plays WoW.
fellow Forumfallers, cease arguing with this moron. Sorros commands it. Sorros agrees with quote.
Your assuming alot. You're assumptions is worth nothing. It's 100% feature complete, not 90%. Based on what? A video showing a generic combat system? Is that what Darkfall is? Feature complete? Than I suppose it's feature complete. Have a nice day
Ok since you continualy argue that DarkFall is not feature complete you must have played it. I am of course assuming this since the basis for your arguement is that since he hasn't played it he can't know that it is feature complete I would assume that you would fall under the same requirements. If you havent played DarkFall then you can not say it isn't feature complete. We are of course going based on the word of those Developing the game itself and probably have a better view point than you do, meaning they actual know whats in and whats not unlike you.
Having said that the feature list of DarkFall far surpases WoW's. If they only manage to deliver on half of the list they still Surpase WoW's features. Considering the only thing we have to go by at the moment is the Devs saying DarkFall is feature complete we have to take it as it stands for now until someone has some proof to the contrary. I don't mean opinions from those they have not seen it but actual proof.
Yeah....and when people called others idiotic fanbois when saying that about AoC and FunCom, that was justified...because? Seriously. Most of the people hyping this game have bashed other games as trash more than once, even before release. And you are surprised DF gets the same treatment? Considering there is far LESS to show for DF than there was for AoC (and look how that turned out) or for WAR?
All we have is the word of the developers. some people choose to have faith in that, others do not. Both are valid points. To say it -WILL- fail or it -WILL- succeed on the other hand, are both not valid.
Well considering the past history of FC, you know with Anarchy online and them basicaly repeating what they said then and failing to deliver yet again.... . They ignored us........ The beta forums were wiped alongf with all the complaints and topics about the numerous exclusions . They released and lied lied lied there way to the bank. This isn't a new tactic by FC. DarkFall doesn't have this reputation. Nor have they had a multi-million dollar add campaing. There even putting there money where there mouth is. They want you to try it for FREE before buying it. Not a free trial a year or 2 down the road, a free trial before any of us spends one dime on it. No forced pre-orders to help generate false hype.
The actions FC and EA take while promoting a game always put me on the defensive because they have shady buissness tactics. Aventurine doesn't have that history with me. It's a new company that seems to be attempting to do right by it's players. EA nor FC can say they do right by there players. They do a money grab first then try and keep who they have left. 50-60$ x 800,000 box sales = nice sum to add to there bank accounts. Did all those players stay? no. DId atleast most stay? no. Why? because it was a money grab. Convience as many people to buy it before they try it so that even if they don't like it you get a box sale out of them.
That doesn't seem to me to be what Aventurine is about. So far they have been pretty straight up with the community. They don't communicate on a daily or even weekly basis, seems they try though. But they havent out right lied to us yet.
On a side not FC's Dx10 2 days before launch post was bull. Yes it was done in time to say they warned us. But it wasn't in time for most of us to even know about them saying it. So they wanted the DX10 hype without actually having DX10. More shadey chit.
Your assuming alot. You're assumptions is worth nothing. It's 100% feature complete, not 90%. Based on what? A video showing a generic combat system? Is that what Darkfall is? Feature complete? Than I suppose it's feature complete. Have a nice day
Ok since you continualy argue that DarkFall is not feature complete you must have played it. I am of course assuming this since the basis for your arguement is that since he hasn't played it he can't know that it is feature complete I would assume that you would fall under the same requirements. If you havent played DarkFall then you can not say it isn't feature complete. We are of course going based on the word of those Developing the game itself and probably have a better view point than you do, meaning they actual know whats in and whats not unlike you.
Having said that the feature list of DarkFall far surpases WoW's. If they only manage to deliver on half of the list they still Surpase WoW's features. Considering the only thing we have to go by at the moment is the Devs saying DarkFall is feature complete we have to take it as it stands for now until someone has some proof to the contrary. I don't mean opinions from those they have not seen it but actual proof.
Yeah....and when people called others idiotic fanbois when saying that about AoC and FunCom, that was justified...because? Seriously. Most of the people hyping this game have bashed other games as trash more than once, even before release. And you are surprised DF gets the same treatment? Considering there is far LESS to show for DF than there was for AoC (and look how that turned out) or for WAR?
All we have is the word of the developers. some people choose to have faith in that, others do not. Both are valid points. To say it -WILL- fail or it -WILL- succeed on the other hand, are both not valid.
Well considering the past history of FC, you know with Anarchy online and them basicaly repeating what they said then and failing to deliver yet again.... . They ignored us........ The beta forums were wiped alongf with all the complaints and topics about the numerous exclusions . They released and lied lied lied there way to the bank. This isn't a new tactic by FC. DarkFall doesn't have this reputation. Nor have they had a multi-million dollar add campaing. There even putting there money where there mouth is. They want you to try it for FREE before buying it. Not a free trial a year or 2 down the road, a free trial before any of us spends one dime on it. No forced pre-orders to help generate false hype.
The actions FC and EA take while promoting a game always put me on the defensive because they have shady buissness tactics. Aventurine doesn't have that history with me. It's a new company that seems to be attempting to do right by it's players. EA nor FC can say they do right by there players. They do a money grab first then try and keep who they have left. 50-60$ x 800,000 box sales = nice sum to add to there bank accounts. Did all those players stay? no. DId atleast most stay? no. Why? because it was a money grab. Convience as many people to buy it before they try it so that even if they don't like it you get a box sale out of them.
That doesn't seem to me to be what Aventurine is about. So far they have been pretty straight up with the community. They don't communicate on a daily or even weekly basis, seems they try though. But they havent out right lied to us yet.
On a side not FC's Dx10 2 days before launch post was bull. Yes it was done in time to say they warned us. But it wasn't in time for most of us to even know about them saying it. So they wanted the DX10 hype without actually having DX10. More shadey chit.
...OK, maybe we have differing opinions on what qualifies as trust for a company. I'm sorry, I can't see good reason to trust Aventurine more than say Mythic. They haven't screwed up in the past you say...well, that's mainly because they haven't presented much yet, have they? A load of screenshots...and a few videos.
They had a Beta-Date they missed (yes yes, I'm not going to get into the discussion of how many there were, most people seem to agree however that there was -ONE- date they missed). They have promised a lot of things, but haven't shown any evidence for it. They have not let anyone touch their game, save for some obscure people who later wrote articles about it which are less than informative since basically, they only repeat the Dev-Blogs.
Yes, they don#t have a history of screwing up a launch, obviously. But does that suddenly give them some kind of bonus? Does that mean they are immune to the possibility of failure? No. It does not. But some people seem to think so.
It's really getting sort of frustrating to correspond with DF supporters (well, many of them anyway). Simply because they won#t hear -any- sort of criticism about their game, nor any legitimate worries. Yes, they are legitimate, because there have been other games that have promised a lot and have not delivered (and not just by "FailCom"). That, coupled with a above average Development cycle and very little media/evidence on the game makes people wonder. Is that -SO- hard to understand?
Yet another uninpressive fan-hater thread about how DF will fail or success.
Both sides have thier strong arguments. The spirit is equal in both camps. Why not wait and see instead? The DF section should be a place for people that are interested in PLAYING the game later could talk. But by some reason its become a place for people that wants it to fail instead.
Nothing wrong with a opinion, but it would be great if we got some new ones sometimes. And the only way in interper this thread is the the OP is worried that DF wil fail......otherwise he/she wouldent have posted here. The purpose of trolling a supposed vaporware should be of no point, right?
Ok you guys need to come back from lala land. Take FC (Age of Conan) did the DEV lie? Did they have fhe last word? And as much as someone lied through their teeth that game STILL plugging along and getting stronger. You cant say EA/FC and then like that is WAR. War didnt lie about anything.
As for Darkfall some of you are doing the same thing others did for Vanguard, EQ2/EVE/AoC/War/WOW. And you have no clue, no idea about who is making Darkfall and by that I mean you dont know those guys/gals from the get go. Yet lmao spitting out how truthful and crap these people are yet you've never meet them? Yet you KNOW how the game will be.. how they WONT lie blah blah. You dont know any more than the person saying the game will fail or flop. So they put a list of what the game will have. AoC has Dx10.. oops.. they can say anything. Even after AoC was launch the FANS keep sticking up for AoC about 2-3 months later ... poof gone.
Darkfall does not have the money. And without MONEY there are tons of things you just cant do. There are some things people can guess at. Like saying WAR will never be as great as WOW yet will do very very well. AoC will always do good because if you played it , it does look very nice and combat is fun and can only get better. Darkfall will be just that other mmo in the background like so many others that never get to the front page. It will have features that sound kool yet well never get polished because of MONEY. Just search around for someone thats been in beta or got to see it.. its just not up to par with the big boys. what you think Darkfall does not need or want anykind of backing? LOL its why cant they get it.. most have no clue.
you can still read in AoC forms that AoC is the best MMO EVER! And that person has all the faith in the world for AoC lol still dont change anything huh.
Your assuming alot. You're assumptions is worth nothing. It's 100% feature complete, not 90%. Based on what? A video showing a generic combat system? Is that what Darkfall is? Feature complete? Than I suppose it's feature complete. Have a nice day
Ok since you continualy argue that DarkFall is not feature complete you must have played it. I am of course assuming this since the basis for your arguement is that since he hasn't played it he can't know that it is feature complete I would assume that you would fall under the same requirements. If you havent played DarkFall then you can not say it isn't feature complete. We are of course going based on the word of those Developing the game itself and probably have a better view point than you do, meaning they actual know whats in and whats not unlike you.
Having said that the feature list of DarkFall far surpases WoW's. If they only manage to deliver on half of the list they still Surpase WoW's features. Considering the only thing we have to go by at the moment is the Devs saying DarkFall is feature complete we have to take it as it stands for now until someone has some proof to the contrary. I don't mean opinions from those they have not seen it but actual proof.
Yeah....and when people called others idiotic fanbois when saying that about AoC and FunCom, that was justified...because? Seriously. Most of the people hyping this game have bashed other games as trash more than once, even before release. And you are surprised DF gets the same treatment? Considering there is far LESS to show for DF than there was for AoC (and look how that turned out) or for WAR?
All we have is the word of the developers. some people choose to have faith in that, others do not. Both are valid points. To say it -WILL- fail or it -WILL- succeed on the other hand, are both not valid.
Well considering the past history of FC, you know with Anarchy online and them basicaly repeating what they said then and failing to deliver yet again.... . They ignored us........ The beta forums were wiped alongf with all the complaints and topics about the numerous exclusions . They released and lied lied lied there way to the bank. This isn't a new tactic by FC. DarkFall doesn't have this reputation. Nor have they had a multi-million dollar add campaing. There even putting there money where there mouth is. They want you to try it for FREE before buying it. Not a free trial a year or 2 down the road, a free trial before any of us spends one dime on it. No forced pre-orders to help generate false hype.
The actions FC and EA take while promoting a game always put me on the defensive because they have shady buissness tactics. Aventurine doesn't have that history with me. It's a new company that seems to be attempting to do right by it's players. EA nor FC can say they do right by there players. They do a money grab first then try and keep who they have left. 50-60$ x 800,000 box sales = nice sum to add to there bank accounts. Did all those players stay? no. DId atleast most stay? no. Why? because it was a money grab. Convience as many people to buy it before they try it so that even if they don't like it you get a box sale out of them.
That doesn't seem to me to be what Aventurine is about. So far they have been pretty straight up with the community. They don't communicate on a daily or even weekly basis, seems they try though. But they havent out right lied to us yet.
On a side not FC's Dx10 2 days before launch post was bull. Yes it was done in time to say they warned us. But it wasn't in time for most of us to even know about them saying it. So they wanted the DX10 hype without actually having DX10. More shadey chit.
...OK, maybe we have differing opinions on what qualifies as trust for a company. I'm sorry, I can't see good reason to trust Aventurine more than say Mythic. They haven't screwed up in the past you say...well, that's mainly because they haven't presented much yet, have they? A load of screenshots...and a few videos.
They had a Beta-Date they missed (yes yes, I'm not going to get into the discussion of how many there were, most people seem to agree however that there was -ONE- date they missed). They have promised a lot of things, but haven't shown any evidence for it. They have not let anyone touch their game, save for some obscure people who later wrote articles about it which are less than informative since basically, they only repeat the Dev-Blogs.
Yes, they don#t have a history of screwing up a launch, obviously. But does that suddenly give them some kind of bonus? Does that mean they are immune to the possibility of failure? No. It does not. But some people seem to think so.
It's really getting sort of frustrating to correspond with DF supporters (well, many of them anyway). Simply because they won#t hear -any- sort of criticism about their game, nor any legitimate worries. Yes, they are legitimate, because there have been other games that have promised a lot and have not delivered (and not just by "FailCom"). That, coupled with a above average Development cycle and very little media/evidence on the game makes people wonder. Is that -SO- hard to understand?
They haven't missed any official dates yet. This has been avoided by proper wording. But is a mute point. I have no problem with Mythic but they are owned by EA and EA had plenty of bad history for me atleast and alot of other UO players. Point is I bashed your bash on someone else who was bashing a bash made by someone else lol. It's all rather pointless. I trust Aventurine to the extent im waiting for the release of DarkFall. I believe the features they have said will be in will in fact be in. I base this trust on the what seems to be there current buisness practice. They won't be charging me to try the game. If they did lie like the fore mentioned companies it won't cost me 50-60$ to find that out. So it really serves them less purpose in doing the same lying the other companies have. I trust Aventurine because honestly they won't gain one thing by lying to me if they let me try the game for free before buying it.
FC did not do this. They lied and charged you for the knowledge they did.
Even EA didn't give beta Access to Warhammer without a pre-order.
So the other companies charge you to find out, while Aventurine is going to show us for free.
See why I trust Aventurine on this? Because I lose nothing by doing so. Neither do you or anyone else that wants to bash on fans or ect.
If they fail to deliver no one is out of pocket to find this out so it's no where near the same as the money grab companies. If I trusted FC which many did they were out 50-60$ to find out they were lied to.
Argue all you want about how DarkFall will suck or fail or be vaporware but the point is it isn't going to cost any of us a penny to find out. So chill , wait and see.
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How is a Sandbox PvP game based on ideas from 1999 "refreshingly different" ?
Darkfall is nothing more than a Shadowbane clone with Horses and boats floating around.
You had a half decent argument going up until this point.. But now, you're full of fail.
Really? In what way?
I think you see this game based on what you WANT IT TO BE rather than what IT REALLY IS which is nothing more than a glorified Shadowbane clone based on ideas from Ultima Online and Asheron's Call 1 seven + years ago.
Take a look at where Shadowbane and AC1 are right now.
You see it the way you want it to be too because NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHAT THE GAME IS LIKE YET.
And what do you think WAR is? It's based on EQ and DaoC but it's doing well isn't it?
Darkfall feature list, its a long one so i suggest you get some coffee -
www.forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43318
Long enough for you?
+ all the features unknown by now.
Have a nice day
I see. So I am assuming you have actually seen all these features in the game? And actually working as intended?
You are assuming an awful lot yourself, with your speculation. I'm waiting for the game, to see if they hold up to eveyrthing they said. I'm not assuming it will be awesome, i'm hoping it will be.
Like your mama always said, don't assume, for it will make an ass out of you and me. And opening your mouth, kinda did that.
I am not assuming a lot. My assumptions are more valid than a fanboy who comes along and says this game HAS more features than WoW. How ridiculous is that?
The *FACT* of the matter is this game has not demonstrated that 90% of it's intended features are even THERE. The last video showed nothing more than the same stuff they showed years back only the video was longer with a few more locations. But it was basically nothing new.
Darkfall feature list, its a long one so i suggest you get some coffee -
www.forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43318
Long enough for you?
+ all the features unknown by now.
Have a nice day
I see. So I am assuming you have actually seen all these features in the game? And actually working as intended?
I have seen enough to have faith in what the developers of Darkfall claims. Developers of Darkfall already stated out that the game is feature complete. Statements like that i have faith in.
Alot more faith then i get from anyone on this thread or on this site that's calling out for cautions concerning the feature list.
Cautions based on what?=)
Have a nice one
Honestly a useless thread so don't feed the trolls (which I am doing with this post lol) he obviously just came into the forum because he has nothing better to do and just wants to pick a fight, now I do agree that darkfall is not genuinly innovative, but what darkfall does is it takes some of the best ideas from other games, not just mmos, and integrates them together to create a seemingly perfect game (my opinion) instead of doing what jacobs did and just copy games that were popular and sucessful but in reality brought nothing exciting to the table except a WoW/DAoC hybrid that is extremely linear and therefore aims to a totally different set of players than darkfall. I do agree with him that darkfall will not be competing with the mmo "giants" but that was never darkfall's intentions, what darkfall's purpose was from the very beginning to cater to old school mmo gamers that like sandbox games rather than dull linear ones. What this ignorant OP fails to realise is that a lot of money has been put into darkfall already and that adventurine has been working on this game for MANY years in order to be capable of making an epic mmo such as what darkfall promisses to be. I think darkfall is start small, but much like EVE it will grow as it goes along and will finaly bring a good mmo that will last for years for those of us that are bored with crap such as WoW, LotRO, WAR, and so on so forth. Now in all honestly I am playing WAR until DF releases.
*Edit for spelling errors
Darkfall feature list, its a long one so i suggest you get some coffee -
www.forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43318
Long enough for you?
+ all the features unknown by now.
Have a nice day
I see. So I am assuming you have actually seen all these features in the game? And actually working as intended?
I have seen enough to have faith in what the developers of Darkfall claims.
Alot more faith then i get from anyone on this thread or on this site that's calling out for cautions concerning the feature list.
Cautions based on what?=)
Cautions based on the fact that only new and worthwhile video ever released of this game over 7 years shows nothing more than a generic combat system and the same stuff they have been showing for the past 7 years in other shorter video clips?
Have a nice one
You're assuming alot.
You're assumptions is worth nothing.
It's 100% feature complete, not 90%.
Have a nice day
Darkfall feature list, its a long one so i suggest you get some coffee -
www.forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43318
Long enough for you?
+ all the features unknown by now.
Have a nice day
I see. So I am assuming you have actually seen all these features in the game? And actually working as intended?
I have seen enough to have faith in what the developers of Darkfall claims.
Alot more faith then i get from anyone on this thread or on this site that's calling out for cautions concerning the feature list.
Cautions based on what?=)
Have a nice one
Well Aragon, we know you are a "lost" cause and that you would rather choke than ever consider -NOT- believing anything Aventurine says. So my urging for caution is not geared towards you.
Blind Faith is never a good thing. I've learned that the hard way. It's nothing against Aventurine. It's nothing against people who like DF or who want it to succeed. I want it to succeed. But until it delivers what it promised, and now listen closely, IT WILL NOT BE -FACT-!
That's all I am saying.
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Why are people argue with OP? He think his subjective thoughts are better than everyone else and wont change his mind about it.
A typical attitude from a rejected soul raising the self-esteem over the internet playing important.
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The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
welcoem back orlybird and your 20 other alt accounts
Darkfall feature list, its a long one so i suggest you get some coffee -
www.forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43318
Long enough for you?
+ all the features unknown by now.
Have a nice day
I see. So I am assuming you have actually seen all these features in the game? And actually working as intended?
I have seen enough to have faith in what the developers of Darkfall claims.
Alot more faith then i get from anyone on this thread or on this site that's calling out for cautions concerning the feature list.
Cautions based on what?=)
Have a nice one
Well Aragon, we know you are a "lost" cause and that you would rather choke than ever consider -NOT- believing anything Aventurine says. So my urging for caution is not geared towards you.
Blind Faith is never a good thing. I've learned that the hard way. It's nothing against Aventurine. It's nothing against people who like DF or who want it to succeed. I want it to succeed. But until it delivers what it promised, and now listen closely, IT WILL NOT BE -FACT-!
That's all I am saying.
Did you read that i said i have faith in the developers.
Faith. Not fact.
Have a nice one
Nothing new? I think seeing working real time melee, spell, naval, warhulk and mounted combat and archery, clan city building and destroying, massive fights, the ability to climb with no invisible wall shit, the working physics with nice projectile trajectories, different types of ships and ship destroying, mobs equiping dead players' equipment, the incredible looking sky, enviroments and mount animations? But meh, why do i even bother you're just an ignorant prick that sees EA as gaming gods.
Why can't i have that "generic combat system" in WoW or in WAR when they're developed by big and professional companies?
Honestly I don't see the point of this post but I will reply.
WoW isn't feature rich. DarkFall is.
DarkFall is a Sandbox. There isn't another title on the market currently that gives you an up to date fantasy sandbox. UO is a limited Sandbox now days so even that is fading away. War/WoW/AoC/EQ2 ect. all have the same style of play so are all in direct competition with each other in some way. DarkFall is in competition with UO/Shadowbane and MMO's of this nature. They don't have to be a big company to understand this. Players now days tend to play a few MMORPG's or atleast have multiple accounts for the ones they enjoy. I don't see how DarkFall will fail knowing this.
Are you saying they will fail because they care about the game to some extent. Which is the reason they would not go with a big name publisher. Aventurine wants to retain control over DarkFall. This is by far a good thing in my opinion.
Are they going to fail because they want everyone to play the game free without having to pre-order first or things of this nature? DarkFall wants you to see if you will enjoy the game spending a dime on it. Yes it costs them money but gains them a bit of respect where the rest of the industry would rather get your money regardless. Hype hype hype wanna see what the hype is about? Then but the game don't like it? to bad you justy dropped 50-60 bucks and we love you for it.
Are you saying there are going to fail because they don't have the means to develop DarkFall or advertise it? Well it's already developed and releasing this year oO. As far as advertising........ Plenty of people already seem to know about it. If they do decide to start a formal advertising campaigne it wouldn't have to be large because DarkFall is a game ive seen talked about on many many many forums. The game stop I go to here in Conneticut, well even they are talking about DarkFall. So doesnt seem like they need to spend millions to convience people they will like it. There current plan of letting people try it before they buy it from the get go seems like a winner for me.
The fact we have so many trolls trying there best to spout as much Vaporware propaganda as they can before launch is kind of a good sign that people already know about DarkFall.
It's a new world man. TV advertising isn't always needed. Grass Root campaigns have been proven methods for a long time and are still used as an effective means of advertising. With the internet and the millions of forums out there it's not hard to get the word out. Big buisness of course hates for people to think like that cause well hell they lose money.
DarkFall isn't going the Hype you into oblivion keep DarkFall in your face 24/7 just to get you to pre order the game just to try it so we can get your money either wat route. There confident in there game and are willing to let it speak for itself which is going to net them and help them retain far more players than you would think. I'm not saying WoW numbers, DarkFall isn't as simple and generic as other games so it won't be for everyone, but it will pull respectable numbers and it won't have as high a turn over rate as other MMO's.
Ok since you continualy argue that DarkFall is not feature complete you must have played it. I am of course assuming this since the basis for your arguement is that since he hasn't played it he can't know that it is feature complete I would assume that you would fall under the same requirements. If you havent played DarkFall then you can not say it isn't feature complete. We are of course going based on the word of those Developing the game itself and probably have a better view point than you do, meaning they actual know whats in and whats not unlike you.
Having said that the feature list of DarkFall far surpases WoW's. If they only manage to deliver on half of the list they still Surpase WoW's features. Considering the only thing we have to go by at the moment is the Devs saying DarkFall is feature complete we have to take it as it stands for now until someone has some proof to the contrary. I don't mean opinions from those they have not seen it but actual proof.
Good post man, I just don't have the patience for writing stuff like that out.
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Ok since you continualy argue that DarkFall is not feature complete you must have played it. I am of course assuming this since the basis for your arguement is that since he hasn't played it he can't know that it is feature complete I would assume that you would fall under the same requirements. If you havent played DarkFall then you can not say it isn't feature complete. We are of course going based on the word of those Developing the game itself and probably have a better view point than you do, meaning they actual know whats in and whats not unlike you.
Having said that the feature list of DarkFall far surpases WoW's. If they only manage to deliver on half of the list they still Surpase WoW's features. Considering the only thing we have to go by at the moment is the Devs saying DarkFall is feature complete we have to take it as it stands for now until someone has some proof to the contrary. I don't mean opinions from those they have not seen it but actual proof.
Yeah....and when people called others idiotic fanbois when saying that about AoC and FunCom, that was justified...because? Seriously. Most of the people hyping this game have bashed other games as trash more than once, even before release. And you are surprised DF gets the same treatment? Considering there is far LESS to show for DF than there was for AoC (and look how that turned out) or for WAR?
All we have is the word of the developers. some people choose to have faith in that, others do not. Both are valid points. To say it -WILL- fail or it -WILL- succeed on the other hand, are both not valid.
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Final Fantasy 7
I would agree with the statement if Darkfall was directly competing with WoW, or WAR.. but it isnt.. it is very difficult for companies like FUNCOM who have a much smaller budget and are trying to make an WoW clone to really get a grip on the market. Aventurine however is making a game for a different type of player, it is a marketplaces which is esentially untapped but the demand for it is obvious... I'm an mmorpg player.. yet I'm not playing anything, because there is nothing for me to play right now. there are many others like me who arent considering which I would play, WoW or Darkfall. I'm considering, Darkfall or nothing for a few years when Earthrise/Fallen Earth/Mortal Online may or may not happen...
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fellow Forumfallers, cease arguing with this moron. Sorros commands it. Sorros agrees with quote.
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DARKFALL 09!
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Ok since you continualy argue that DarkFall is not feature complete you must have played it. I am of course assuming this since the basis for your arguement is that since he hasn't played it he can't know that it is feature complete I would assume that you would fall under the same requirements. If you havent played DarkFall then you can not say it isn't feature complete. We are of course going based on the word of those Developing the game itself and probably have a better view point than you do, meaning they actual know whats in and whats not unlike you.
Having said that the feature list of DarkFall far surpases WoW's. If they only manage to deliver on half of the list they still Surpase WoW's features. Considering the only thing we have to go by at the moment is the Devs saying DarkFall is feature complete we have to take it as it stands for now until someone has some proof to the contrary. I don't mean opinions from those they have not seen it but actual proof.
Yeah....and when people called others idiotic fanbois when saying that about AoC and FunCom, that was justified...because? Seriously. Most of the people hyping this game have bashed other games as trash more than once, even before release. And you are surprised DF gets the same treatment? Considering there is far LESS to show for DF than there was for AoC (and look how that turned out) or for WAR?
All we have is the word of the developers. some people choose to have faith in that, others do not. Both are valid points. To say it -WILL- fail or it -WILL- succeed on the other hand, are both not valid.
Well considering the past history of FC, you know with Anarchy online and them basicaly repeating what they said then and failing to deliver yet again.... . They ignored us........ The beta forums were wiped alongf with all the complaints and topics about the numerous exclusions . They released and lied lied lied there way to the bank. This isn't a new tactic by FC. DarkFall doesn't have this reputation. Nor have they had a multi-million dollar add campaing. There even putting there money where there mouth is. They want you to try it for FREE before buying it. Not a free trial a year or 2 down the road, a free trial before any of us spends one dime on it. No forced pre-orders to help generate false hype.
The actions FC and EA take while promoting a game always put me on the defensive because they have shady buissness tactics. Aventurine doesn't have that history with me. It's a new company that seems to be attempting to do right by it's players. EA nor FC can say they do right by there players. They do a money grab first then try and keep who they have left. 50-60$ x 800,000 box sales = nice sum to add to there bank accounts. Did all those players stay? no. DId atleast most stay? no. Why? because it was a money grab. Convience as many people to buy it before they try it so that even if they don't like it you get a box sale out of them.
That doesn't seem to me to be what Aventurine is about. So far they have been pretty straight up with the community. They don't communicate on a daily or even weekly basis, seems they try though. But they havent out right lied to us yet.
On a side not FC's Dx10 2 days before launch post was bull. Yes it was done in time to say they warned us. But it wasn't in time for most of us to even know about them saying it. So they wanted the DX10 hype without actually having DX10. More shadey chit.
Ok since you continualy argue that DarkFall is not feature complete you must have played it. I am of course assuming this since the basis for your arguement is that since he hasn't played it he can't know that it is feature complete I would assume that you would fall under the same requirements. If you havent played DarkFall then you can not say it isn't feature complete. We are of course going based on the word of those Developing the game itself and probably have a better view point than you do, meaning they actual know whats in and whats not unlike you.
Having said that the feature list of DarkFall far surpases WoW's. If they only manage to deliver on half of the list they still Surpase WoW's features. Considering the only thing we have to go by at the moment is the Devs saying DarkFall is feature complete we have to take it as it stands for now until someone has some proof to the contrary. I don't mean opinions from those they have not seen it but actual proof.
Yeah....and when people called others idiotic fanbois when saying that about AoC and FunCom, that was justified...because? Seriously. Most of the people hyping this game have bashed other games as trash more than once, even before release. And you are surprised DF gets the same treatment? Considering there is far LESS to show for DF than there was for AoC (and look how that turned out) or for WAR?
All we have is the word of the developers. some people choose to have faith in that, others do not. Both are valid points. To say it -WILL- fail or it -WILL- succeed on the other hand, are both not valid.
Well considering the past history of FC, you know with Anarchy online and them basicaly repeating what they said then and failing to deliver yet again.... . They ignored us........ The beta forums were wiped alongf with all the complaints and topics about the numerous exclusions . They released and lied lied lied there way to the bank. This isn't a new tactic by FC. DarkFall doesn't have this reputation. Nor have they had a multi-million dollar add campaing. There even putting there money where there mouth is. They want you to try it for FREE before buying it. Not a free trial a year or 2 down the road, a free trial before any of us spends one dime on it. No forced pre-orders to help generate false hype.
The actions FC and EA take while promoting a game always put me on the defensive because they have shady buissness tactics. Aventurine doesn't have that history with me. It's a new company that seems to be attempting to do right by it's players. EA nor FC can say they do right by there players. They do a money grab first then try and keep who they have left. 50-60$ x 800,000 box sales = nice sum to add to there bank accounts. Did all those players stay? no. DId atleast most stay? no. Why? because it was a money grab. Convience as many people to buy it before they try it so that even if they don't like it you get a box sale out of them.
That doesn't seem to me to be what Aventurine is about. So far they have been pretty straight up with the community. They don't communicate on a daily or even weekly basis, seems they try though. But they havent out right lied to us yet.
On a side not FC's Dx10 2 days before launch post was bull. Yes it was done in time to say they warned us. But it wasn't in time for most of us to even know about them saying it. So they wanted the DX10 hype without actually having DX10. More shadey chit.
...OK, maybe we have differing opinions on what qualifies as trust for a company. I'm sorry, I can't see good reason to trust Aventurine more than say Mythic. They haven't screwed up in the past you say...well, that's mainly because they haven't presented much yet, have they? A load of screenshots...and a few videos.
They had a Beta-Date they missed (yes yes, I'm not going to get into the discussion of how many there were, most people seem to agree however that there was -ONE- date they missed). They have promised a lot of things, but haven't shown any evidence for it. They have not let anyone touch their game, save for some obscure people who later wrote articles about it which are less than informative since basically, they only repeat the Dev-Blogs.
Yes, they don#t have a history of screwing up a launch, obviously. But does that suddenly give them some kind of bonus? Does that mean they are immune to the possibility of failure? No. It does not. But some people seem to think so.
It's really getting sort of frustrating to correspond with DF supporters (well, many of them anyway). Simply because they won#t hear -any- sort of criticism about their game, nor any legitimate worries. Yes, they are legitimate, because there have been other games that have promised a lot and have not delivered (and not just by "FailCom"). That, coupled with a above average Development cycle and very little media/evidence on the game makes people wonder. Is that -SO- hard to understand?
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Yet another uninpressive fan-hater thread about how DF will fail or success.
Both sides have thier strong arguments. The spirit is equal in both camps. Why not wait and see instead? The DF section should be a place for people that are interested in PLAYING the game later could talk. But by some reason its become a place for people that wants it to fail instead.
Nothing wrong with a opinion, but it would be great if we got some new ones sometimes. And the only way in interper this thread is the the OP is worried that DF wil fail......otherwise he/she wouldent have posted here. The purpose of trolling a supposed vaporware should be of no point, right?
Ok you guys need to come back from lala land. Take FC (Age of Conan) did the DEV lie? Did they have fhe last word? And as much as someone lied through their teeth that game STILL plugging along and getting stronger. You cant say EA/FC and then like that is WAR. War didnt lie about anything.
As for Darkfall some of you are doing the same thing others did for Vanguard, EQ2/EVE/AoC/War/WOW. And you have no clue, no idea about who is making Darkfall and by that I mean you dont know those guys/gals from the get go. Yet lmao spitting out how truthful and crap these people are yet you've never meet them? Yet you KNOW how the game will be.. how they WONT lie blah blah. You dont know any more than the person saying the game will fail or flop. So they put a list of what the game will have. AoC has Dx10.. oops.. they can say anything. Even after AoC was launch the FANS keep sticking up for AoC about 2-3 months later ... poof gone.
Darkfall does not have the money. And without MONEY there are tons of things you just cant do. There are some things people can guess at. Like saying WAR will never be as great as WOW yet will do very very well. AoC will always do good because if you played it , it does look very nice and combat is fun and can only get better. Darkfall will be just that other mmo in the background like so many others that never get to the front page. It will have features that sound kool yet well never get polished because of MONEY. Just search around for someone thats been in beta or got to see it.. its just not up to par with the big boys. what you think Darkfall does not need or want anykind of backing? LOL its why cant they get it.. most have no clue.
you can still read in AoC forms that AoC is the best MMO EVER! And that person has all the faith in the world for AoC lol still dont change anything huh.
Ok since you continualy argue that DarkFall is not feature complete you must have played it. I am of course assuming this since the basis for your arguement is that since he hasn't played it he can't know that it is feature complete I would assume that you would fall under the same requirements. If you havent played DarkFall then you can not say it isn't feature complete. We are of course going based on the word of those Developing the game itself and probably have a better view point than you do, meaning they actual know whats in and whats not unlike you.
Having said that the feature list of DarkFall far surpases WoW's. If they only manage to deliver on half of the list they still Surpase WoW's features. Considering the only thing we have to go by at the moment is the Devs saying DarkFall is feature complete we have to take it as it stands for now until someone has some proof to the contrary. I don't mean opinions from those they have not seen it but actual proof.
Yeah....and when people called others idiotic fanbois when saying that about AoC and FunCom, that was justified...because? Seriously. Most of the people hyping this game have bashed other games as trash more than once, even before release. And you are surprised DF gets the same treatment? Considering there is far LESS to show for DF than there was for AoC (and look how that turned out) or for WAR?
All we have is the word of the developers. some people choose to have faith in that, others do not. Both are valid points. To say it -WILL- fail or it -WILL- succeed on the other hand, are both not valid.
Well considering the past history of FC, you know with Anarchy online and them basicaly repeating what they said then and failing to deliver yet again.... . They ignored us........ The beta forums were wiped alongf with all the complaints and topics about the numerous exclusions . They released and lied lied lied there way to the bank. This isn't a new tactic by FC. DarkFall doesn't have this reputation. Nor have they had a multi-million dollar add campaing. There even putting there money where there mouth is. They want you to try it for FREE before buying it. Not a free trial a year or 2 down the road, a free trial before any of us spends one dime on it. No forced pre-orders to help generate false hype.
The actions FC and EA take while promoting a game always put me on the defensive because they have shady buissness tactics. Aventurine doesn't have that history with me. It's a new company that seems to be attempting to do right by it's players. EA nor FC can say they do right by there players. They do a money grab first then try and keep who they have left. 50-60$ x 800,000 box sales = nice sum to add to there bank accounts. Did all those players stay? no. DId atleast most stay? no. Why? because it was a money grab. Convience as many people to buy it before they try it so that even if they don't like it you get a box sale out of them.
That doesn't seem to me to be what Aventurine is about. So far they have been pretty straight up with the community. They don't communicate on a daily or even weekly basis, seems they try though. But they havent out right lied to us yet.
On a side not FC's Dx10 2 days before launch post was bull. Yes it was done in time to say they warned us. But it wasn't in time for most of us to even know about them saying it. So they wanted the DX10 hype without actually having DX10. More shadey chit.
...OK, maybe we have differing opinions on what qualifies as trust for a company. I'm sorry, I can't see good reason to trust Aventurine more than say Mythic. They haven't screwed up in the past you say...well, that's mainly because they haven't presented much yet, have they? A load of screenshots...and a few videos.
They had a Beta-Date they missed (yes yes, I'm not going to get into the discussion of how many there were, most people seem to agree however that there was -ONE- date they missed). They have promised a lot of things, but haven't shown any evidence for it. They have not let anyone touch their game, save for some obscure people who later wrote articles about it which are less than informative since basically, they only repeat the Dev-Blogs.
Yes, they don#t have a history of screwing up a launch, obviously. But does that suddenly give them some kind of bonus? Does that mean they are immune to the possibility of failure? No. It does not. But some people seem to think so.
It's really getting sort of frustrating to correspond with DF supporters (well, many of them anyway). Simply because they won#t hear -any- sort of criticism about their game, nor any legitimate worries. Yes, they are legitimate, because there have been other games that have promised a lot and have not delivered (and not just by "FailCom"). That, coupled with a above average Development cycle and very little media/evidence on the game makes people wonder. Is that -SO- hard to understand?
They haven't missed any official dates yet. This has been avoided by proper wording. But is a mute point. I have no problem with Mythic but they are owned by EA and EA had plenty of bad history for me atleast and alot of other UO players. Point is I bashed your bash on someone else who was bashing a bash made by someone else lol. It's all rather pointless. I trust Aventurine to the extent im waiting for the release of DarkFall. I believe the features they have said will be in will in fact be in. I base this trust on the what seems to be there current buisness practice. They won't be charging me to try the game. If they did lie like the fore mentioned companies it won't cost me 50-60$ to find that out. So it really serves them less purpose in doing the same lying the other companies have. I trust Aventurine because honestly they won't gain one thing by lying to me if they let me try the game for free before buying it.
FC did not do this. They lied and charged you for the knowledge they did.
Even EA didn't give beta Access to Warhammer without a pre-order.
So the other companies charge you to find out, while Aventurine is going to show us for free.
See why I trust Aventurine on this? Because I lose nothing by doing so. Neither do you or anyone else that wants to bash on fans or ect.
If they fail to deliver no one is out of pocket to find this out so it's no where near the same as the money grab companies. If I trusted FC which many did they were out 50-60$ to find out they were lied to.
Argue all you want about how DarkFall will suck or fail or be vaporware but the point is it isn't going to cost any of us a penny to find out. So chill , wait and see.