a moron and their money are soon parted..the devs are sitting back laughing at how they suckered anyone who pays for it into buying.
they dont even have their own forum really, and if you read the interviews from the so called designers its apparant they care about the profit only, not about a in depth gaming expierience or doing their jobs well.
When a company can make SONY online look redeemable its bad.Just from reading the posts here its obvious what kind of people are playing wh right now.
as a person in the medical field, I have had to sit through enough developmental psychology classes to see the root of this problem flashing in neon colors. This game is very much a nintendo-style game that appeals more to the younger gaming crowd. The human brain is pre-disposed to break away from convention during these years, also the mentality of the type of people drawn to pvp-team-arena style games such as Warhammer tend also to be fighting against structure... VOILA! Balancing the mentality of the people that lay this game isn't going to happen. These small scale 'servers' (actually they are large scale arenas) can't fight many millions years years of biological evolution.
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
Off topic,
Question is ... do people pay a subscription to lose (in PvP games) ?
Answer no: they wanna win
Question how do you solve it in ANY form of a PvP game?
Because MMORPG's need subscriptions at the end of the month.
Then they should attempt to win, not to let themselves get beaten. Wow has a crap load of people playing it, they aren't all winners, i know i've met several of them.......
as a person in the medical field, I have had to sit through enough developmental psychology classes to see the root of this problem flashing in neon colors. This game is very much a nintendo-style game that appeals more to the younger gaming crowd. The human brain is pre-disposed to break away from convention during these years, also the mentality of the type of people drawn to pvp-team-arena style games such as Warhammer tend also to be fighting against structure... VOILA! Balancing the mentality of the people that lay this game isn't going to happen. These small scale 'servers' (actually they are large scale arenas) can't fight many millions years years of biological evolution.
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
It's seems you haven't read what i've said we've tryed grouping and it simply doesn't work when you always out numbered where ever you go we simply can't muster enough players.It got to the point where most order are just doing pve and not even queueing for scenario's any more, you can forget RVR as most of the time order camps are under constant seige by large numbers of dest like last time I was in the shadowlands there was around 10-15 dest camping the place the 2-3 order stands no chance of doing anything against that.
as a person in the medical field, I have had to sit through enough developmental psychology classes to see the root of this problem flashing in neon colors. This game is very much a nintendo-style game that appeals more to the younger gaming crowd. The human brain is pre-disposed to break away from convention during these years, also the mentality of the type of people drawn to pvp-team-arena style games such as Warhammer tend also to be fighting against structure... VOILA! Balancing the mentality of the people that lay this game isn't going to happen. These small scale 'servers' (actually they are large scale arenas) can't fight many millions years years of biological evolution.
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
Off topic,
Question is ... do people pay a subscription to lose (in PvP games) ?
Answer no: they wanna win
Question how do you solve it in ANY form of a PvP game?
Because MMORPG's need subscriptions at the end of the month.
Then they should attempt to win, not to let themselves get beaten. Wow has a crap load of people playing it, they aren't all winners, i know i've met several of them.......
Again another stereotype. Can you please write something that is not a complete generatlization?
as a person in the medical field, I have had to sit through enough developmental psychology classes to see the root of this problem flashing in neon colors. This game is very much a nintendo-style game that appeals more to the younger gaming crowd. The human brain is pre-disposed to break away from convention during these years, also the mentality of the type of people drawn to pvp-team-arena style games such as Warhammer tend also to be fighting against structure... VOILA! Balancing the mentality of the people that lay this game isn't going to happen. These small scale 'servers' (actually they are large scale arenas) can't fight many millions years years of biological evolution.
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
It's seems you haven't read what i've said we've tryed grouping and it simply doesn't work when you always out numbered where ever you go we simply can't must enough players.It got to the point where most order are just doing pve and not even queueing for scenario's any more, you can forget RVR as most of the time order camps are under constant seige by large numbers of dest like last time I was in the shadowlands there was around 10-15 dest camping the place the 2-3 order stands no chance of doing anything against that.
Did you check out the other pairings? Maybe no one plays in the Elf realm on your server(s). Did you try the Empire or the Dwarves? I see more Elves and Dwarves in the Empire pairing than I do in their own pairings.
Did you look at the different tiers? On my server, the Empire is currently getting smoked in T2. However, last night Order controlled T1, T3, and T4 in the Empire pairing.
I'm not trying to convince you not to quit and I'm not arguing your experience in the game, but it seems to me that 4 days isn't really enough time to get a good idea about how things are going to shake out on a server.
To enjoy this game you need to take what you can get. I think this is true in all MMOs really but more so in some than others. The balance of Order vs Destruct will change by the hour and by the day and by the tier. If you want to RvR and the general RvR area is too dominant at that moment in time you can:
1. Join a scenario where the sides are forced to be even
2. Hang out by your back area where you have auto-kill gaurds and play a cat and mouse game until the other side gets bored and start to leave to do other things. Then you roll them. It may take an hour to two but it will happen if you stick with it - at least in the evening times. Then they see you taking objectives and come back and you fight for a while doing that., or they have logged and at least you get to end the day having taken the field. Ebb and flow Ebb and flow that is what it is.
3. Go do PvE and advance to the next Tier which will be a whole new balance ball game depending on how many players on each side have levelled to that tier.
4. Go to the other RvR areas and run around them. The main one might be Empire/Chaos but the RvR areas exist in each land (Orcs/Dwarves, Elves/Dark Elvers) and you will find players there. And/or objectives to take.
5. Get sneaky and use your imagination. Get a group of 5 or 6. Get out of the RvR area and turn off your RvR flag. Casually walk into the back PvE area of the opposing side not attacking anyone. You will be orange and can't be touched. Now find a spot on the road with something nearby to hide behind ideally near some area that has MOBs friendly to your side. Everyone hides except for one of you who sets his RvR flag and stands on the road - he now appears RED con to anyone in the other realm. Ideally trying to look busy doing something, and ideally with a good damage shield potion. Wait for the inevitable - player(s) walking down the road looking for an easy kill on the dumb noob on the road. As soon as they attack, they become RvR elligible. And your hide team then ganks them. Stay there. Keep doing it. Eventually word will get around and the hit squad to get you will come. Then you run to the nearby friendly camp and use the MOBs there to help fight them. When it goes south from there run and see if you can regroup somewhere. If/when you all get squished go do it somewhere else -new land if needed.
Frankly their is so much to do here no matter what the balance situation at any given time on one tier in one land I think if you just try some new things and be flexible you will have a great time. For me, the xp bar and reknown bar flies by no matter what the curent balance situation - and that is what it is all about. Take what it gives you - and the it is not really the game it's really the other side. If Mythic tried to control this any closer they would ruin the game.
You've given the game what, 4 days and now you're going to quit? If you are going to complain about the order to chaos ratio in WAR you just have to wait and everything will even out in about a week. A reason why everyone is picking chaos is because its the same reason why everyone picks Horde on WoW. It's just a perference to be on the 'bad' side or because the characters look more 'cool'. Just give the game some time and you will enjoy it.
First of all, I wouldnt make pre-mature comments before knowing the actual facts. Everyone does NOT pick Horde, trust me. The total population of Alliance is 1,956,124 (54%) and the total population for Horde is 1,669,539 (46%). That is a ratio of 1.2 Alliance over 1 Horde. Even on my Realm, Doomhammer's Alliance population is more populated than Horde. Go to http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php and see the stats for yourself.
Getting back to the subject... In my opinion, you really do have to give WAR a period of time to establish the foundation of itself, in order to even out the poplutation a bit more. The MMORPG is really new right now, it was just released on the 18th of this month. It still has alot of of growing to do before I would totally write the game off. Even if you do see population problems that might be evident now, that does NOT mean it will be like that six months to a year from now. It is just a matter of how much are you dedicated to the game, and if you are willing to hang in there, even when the going gets tough.
You've given the game what, 4 days and now you're going to quit? If you are going to complain about the order to chaos ratio in WAR you just have to wait and everything will even out in about a week. A reason why everyone is picking chaos is because its the same reason why everyone picks Horde on WoW. It's just a perference to be on the 'bad' side or because the characters look more 'cool'. Just give the game some time and you will enjoy it.
First of all, I wouldnt make pre-mature comments before knowing the actual facts. Everyone does NOT pick Horde, trust me. The total population of Alliance is 1,956,124 (54%) and the total population for Horde is 1,669,539 (46%). That is a ratio of 1.2 Alliance over 1 Horde. Even on my Realm, Doomhammer's Alliance population is more populated than Horde. Go to http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php and see the stats for yourself.
Getting back to the subject... In my opinion, you really do have to give WAR a period of time to establish the foundation of itself, in order to even out the poplutation a bit more. The MMORPG is really new right now, it was just released on the 18th of this month. It still has alot of of growing to do before I would totally write the game off. Even if you do see population problems that might be evident now, that does NOT mean it will be like that six months to a year from now. It is just a matter of how much are you dedicated to the game, and if you are willing to hang in there, even when the going gets tough.
originally, everyone did pick alliance.Horde was so outnumbered at tauren mill fights it was unreal.There were no bg's and when they did finally introduce HKs and then BG's horde still didnt que up.
They were balanced around horde and this is why horde are so strong in them now along with their gimped racials < aoe warstomp for teh winz! > alot of allys rerolled horde and new players joined etc balancing it out.
gotta learn the facts before you can use it as a staple in your argument...
I would expect you would learn the facts behind mythic, daoc, ea and uo,mco and all their other games before you use that whole its new rant too..
as a person in the medical field, I have had to sit through enough developmental psychology classes to see the root of this problem flashing in neon colors. This game is very much a nintendo-style game that appeals more to the younger gaming crowd. The human brain is pre-disposed to break away from convention during these years, also the mentality of the type of people drawn to pvp-team-arena style games such as Warhammer tend also to be fighting against structure... VOILA! Balancing the mentality of the people that lay this game isn't going to happen. These small scale 'servers' (actually they are large scale arenas) can't fight many millions years years of biological evolution.
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
It's seems you haven't read what i've said we've tryed grouping and it simply doesn't work when you always out numbered where ever you go we simply can't must enough players.It got to the point where most order are just doing pve and not even queueing for scenario's any more, you can forget RVR as most of the time order camps are under constant seige by large numbers of dest like last time I was in the shadowlands there was around 10-15 dest camping the place the 2-3 order stands no chance of doing anything against that.
Did you check out the other pairings? Maybe no one plays in the Elf realm on your server(s). Did you try the Empire or the Dwarves? I see more Elves and Dwarves in the Empire pairing than I do in their own pairings.
Did you look at the different tiers? On my server, the Empire is currently getting smoked in T2. However, last night Order controlled T1, T3, and T4 in the Empire pairing.
I'm not trying to convince you not to quit and I'm not arguing your experience in the game, but it seems to me that 4 days isn't really enough time to get a good idea about how things are going to shake out on a server.
T1 doesn't really matter but in the last day or 2 I've noticed a sharp drop in new order player.I was lvl 20 in T2 and there simply wasen't enough order plays to do any RVR in any of the zones the few times we tryed we'ed just get steam rolled, and I can't see it been any better in T3 where there'd be even fewer player than T2.
I bet these guys who complain that they are way outnumbers have never tried to find a party or warband for the scenario, havent bothers to find a guild, dont try to ask the tier chat for assistance.
I have found myself outnumber lots of times in open field rvr (never outnumberd in scenario, just out tanked) what do i do? throw my mouse down, quit and write a post about how warhammer sucks while holding back my tears? I ask my fellow order for assistance. 90% of the time i get an overwhelming response and end up kicking the destructions ass.
So yeah, enough with the wow mentality of solo everything, you need help and a team, you usualy have to be socially outgoing, people arnt going to read you mind and come help you out.
I bet these guys who complain that they are way outnumbers have never tried to find a party or warband for the scenario, havent bothers to find a guild, dont try to ask the tier chat for assistance. I have found myself outnumber lots of times in open field rvr (never outnumberd in scenario, just out tanked) what do i do? throw my mouse down, quit and write a post about how warhammer sucks while holding back my tears? I ask my fellow order for assistance. 90% of the time i get an overwhelming response and end up kicking the destructions ass. So yeah, enough with the wow mentality of solo everything, you need help and a team, you usualy have to be socially outgoing, people arnt going to read you mind and come help you out. damn kids...
You've just shown how thick some people are if you even bothered to read what i've written you'll find I like the game but the way it is now it's just unplayable.
If you have played on 5 servers in 4 days, it is obvious that you did not get high level on any of the servers you played. Don't you think it would make some sense to assume some of the better players are higher level? If your ego can't handle losing in RvR or losing in general, why play any game?
I only played on the other servers to see what the general feel for the game was and generally the same order simply been unable to compete againest the sheer numbers of dest.
you are so obviously making this up...
if the game is unplayable how come we have constant queues on our server and very fun and challenging RvR battles where Order is actually winning more (open rvr not scenarios) than Destr is...(i m ont dest)
Originally posted by Newhopes T1 doesn't really matter but in the last day or 2 I've noticed a sharp drop in new order player.I was lvl 20 in T2 and there simply wasen't enough order plays to do any RVR in any of the zones the few times we tryed we'ed just get steam rolled, and I can't see it been any better in T3 where there'd be even fewer player than T2.
Yeah, I guess you are right, then. It sounds like the best thing you can do is just uninstall WAR and move on.
I'am sorry to say I've just deleted war from my computer playing as order for me has just been a complete waste of time, I've played on 5 different servers and it's been the same on every one order getting completely rolled in world RVR sadly if that continues the way it is it will kill the end game and ultimately the game itself, it's pretty sad because I over all like the game but sadly as it is at the moment I don't see this game haveing any long term lifespan. I'll come back in a few months time to see if things have impoved so in the mentime have fun fun playing.
Haha, what a joker. Go back to WoW/AoC, we won't miss you.
I bet these guys who complain that they are way outnumbers have never tried to find a party or warband for the scenario, havent bothers to find a guild, dont try to ask the tier chat for assistance. I have found myself outnumber lots of times in open field rvr (never outnumberd in scenario, just out tanked) what do i do? throw my mouse down, quit and write a post about how warhammer sucks while holding back my tears? I ask my fellow order for assistance. 90% of the time i get an overwhelming response and end up kicking the destructions ass. So yeah, enough with the wow mentality of solo everything, you need help and a team, you usualy have to be socially outgoing, people arnt going to read you mind and come help you out. damn kids...
You've just shown how thick some people are if you even bothered to read what i've written you'll find I like the game but the way it is now it's just unplayable.
It is very much playable. I understand you can be frustrated, but all it takes is looking at the server list and not joining a low/high server. Find a med/med, high/high, or full/full server if it is that big of a deal for you. In beta even when greatly outnumbered as order we still came through and won objectives left and right. All it takes is some tactics and 5 other players who want to complete objectives.
Talking about generalization...why you are talking against it, when you are doing exactly the same thing.Leave the person alone, to express his opinion, about not liking WAR, and stop judging him, and pushing him to love it.
People have different tastes and preferences in that context...he may like it, you may like it, but someone may NOT like it.
And you should respect that, instead of trying to "convice" the person, even knowing it will not bring any results.
P.S and yes i dont like WAR, i find it generic,outdated,and im tired of the orcs elves, gnomes, and all kind of fairies which are overused in every single RPG game in the past 10 years....
Destructions only tactic is zerg.. Tank healer combos that are meant to just "outlast" you.. They have 1 healer for every tank and it seems that order is overloaded on DPS... Last night, order players realized one thng.. If they focus fire on every healer in the back, one by one, you will leave the tanks on an island and they will either run or die... We did this last night.. Targetted nothing but healers, slobbering out our mouths punching tanks in the fact, clawing scratching anything to get to those "quarterbacks"....... End result? 7-3 out of 10 matches for Order that I played in T2...
I think in the end when all things are said and done, once we learn to counter the immense numbers of DoK (prolly the coolest looking class in the game) and kill all the zealots an little green men in the back, they fall and fall easy... Once that ball starts rolling in a scenario, it really is hard to stop...
As for open RvR, the population still matters BUT Order is learning to use their strengths,.. Out DPS'ing them outright has earned us pretty much all the T1 zones as well as keeps in T2...
A general tactic for beating Destruction? Don't let the zerg scare you, and target that squishy in the back.. he WILL wun when he starts getting hit and usually another healer will heal him and you will get the attention of ALL the tanks on the team because they all want the kill.. Once this happens (especially if you are an ironbreker) tell your guys to start taking down healers.. Fire at all of them, they cannot heal each other if they are losing health themselves. once the ranks are broken and all the healers are scattered, try and take down a tank who's just runing around chopping people.. Change targets and focus on him again, this will either make a healer start healing him again or atract a DoK to attack you which is what you want...
Shouldnt have gave up just yet OP... A little tactics can defeat the zerg because healers (other than the uber awesome stealth, heal and DPS DoK's) don't hit for much and are very squishy.. Kill them, and oh boy the hunt is on.. lol.. Everyone can lick their chops and get a peice!
and your not reading what every one else is saying. i play order and we win more then we lose, both in scenarios and in rvr area's. i'm always with several guild mates if not a full group. it isn't a single player game. if you started on a low pop server, then start over on a new one that has a higher order pop. the game has been out less then a week, a lot of people haven't even had much time to play it yet or even buy it yet. click on the guild forums section here on mmorpg and find a order guild that is recruiting and join them and then log in and play with other people.
again the game has been out less then a week, expecting things to even out and make sence when every one is still learning the game is expecting to much. i know people that still play a new char every other day because they are still trying to figure out which class they want to play.
Talking about generalization...why you are talking against it, when you are doing exactly the same thing.Leave the person alone, to express his opinion, about not liking WAR, and stop judging him, and pushing him to love it. People have different tastes and preferences in that context...he may like it, you may like it, but someone may NOT like it. And you should respect that, instead of trying to "convice" the person, even knowing it will not bring any results. P.S and yes i dont like WAR, i find it generic,outdated,and im tired of the orcs elves, gnomes, and all kind of fairies which are overused in every single RPG game in the past 10 years.... Same crap, just different package...
if he wants to be left alone and quit the game in obscurity then maybe he shouldn't come to a forum for the game and post about it. he plays the game alone, why does he think people here will care that he quit? people aren't trying to keep him playing, they are giving reason why his reasons for quiting are flawed.
why does anyone that decides to quit a game think everyone else should know? normally only some one trying to stir crap up make these sort of post, letting the world know that they quit so and so new game.
and your not reading what every one else is saying. i play order and we win more then we lose, both in scenarios and in rvr area's. i'm always with several guild mates if not a full group. it isn't a single player game. if you started on a low pop server, then start over on a new one that has a higher order pop. the game has been out less then a week, a lot of people haven't even had much time to play it yet or even buy it yet. click on the guild forums section here on mmorpg and find a order guild that is recruiting and join them and then log in and play with other people.
again the game has been out less then a week, expecting things to even out and make sence when every one is still learning the game is expecting to much. i know people that still play a new char every other day because they are still trying to figure out which class they want to play.
I started on a med med server at the start which has gone in 5 days from med med to low high at peak times.
Talking about generalization...why you are talking against it, when you are doing exactly the same thing.Leave the person alone, to express his opinion, about not liking WAR, and stop judging him, and pushing him to love it. People have different tastes and preferences in that context...he may like it, you may like it, but someone may NOT like it. And you should respect that, instead of trying to "convice" the person, even knowing it will not bring any results. P.S and yes i dont like WAR, i find it generic,outdated,and im tired of the orcs elves, gnomes, and all kind of fairies which are overused in every single RPG game in the past 10 years.... Same crap, just different package...
Yeah coming from an AOC vet I can see what you mean all those choices of wanting to be a tan human a really tan human or a light skin human makes me wonder why people would even want to play any other game. Hell I am playing a human in real life and its really the only acceptable thing to play.
Anyway to the OP I understand that not everyone wants to lose all the time. If you still have any patience for the game I would reccomend 1 more shot at a server but before you do read the server forums on Warhammer alliance website and find one that looks to be more even. I have played on 2 seperate servers Skull throne and iron Rock and both are even it seems. Also as said previously being part of an organized RVR group will make a world of difference for you as well as we can easily take 3-1 if the Desto isnt organized.
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a moron and their money are soon parted..the devs are sitting back laughing at how they suckered anyone who pays for it into buying.
they dont even have their own forum really, and if you read the interviews from the so called designers its apparant they care about the profit only, not about a in depth gaming expierience or doing their jobs well.
When a company can make SONY online look redeemable its bad.Just from reading the posts here its obvious what kind of people are playing wh right now.
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
Off topic,
Question is ... do people pay a subscription to lose (in PvP games) ?
Answer no: they wanna win
Question how do you solve it in ANY form of a PvP game?
Because MMORPG's need subscriptions at the end of the month.
Then they should attempt to win, not to let themselves get beaten. Wow has a crap load of people playing it, they aren't all winners, i know i've met several of them.......
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
It's seems you haven't read what i've said we've tryed grouping and it simply doesn't work when you always out numbered where ever you go we simply can't muster enough players.It got to the point where most order are just doing pve and not even queueing for scenario's any more, you can forget RVR as most of the time order camps are under constant seige by large numbers of dest like last time I was in the shadowlands there was around 10-15 dest camping the place the 2-3 order stands no chance of doing anything against that.
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
Off topic,
Question is ... do people pay a subscription to lose (in PvP games) ?
Answer no: they wanna win
Question how do you solve it in ANY form of a PvP game?
Because MMORPG's need subscriptions at the end of the month.
Then they should attempt to win, not to let themselves get beaten. Wow has a crap load of people playing it, they aren't all winners, i know i've met several of them.......
Again another stereotype. Can you please write something that is not a complete generatlization?
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
It's seems you haven't read what i've said we've tryed grouping and it simply doesn't work when you always out numbered where ever you go we simply can't must enough players.It got to the point where most order are just doing pve and not even queueing for scenario's any more, you can forget RVR as most of the time order camps are under constant seige by large numbers of dest like last time I was in the shadowlands there was around 10-15 dest camping the place the 2-3 order stands no chance of doing anything against that.
Did you check out the other pairings? Maybe no one plays in the Elf realm on your server(s). Did you try the Empire or the Dwarves? I see more Elves and Dwarves in the Empire pairing than I do in their own pairings.
Did you look at the different tiers? On my server, the Empire is currently getting smoked in T2. However, last night Order controlled T1, T3, and T4 in the Empire pairing.
I'm not trying to convince you not to quit and I'm not arguing your experience in the game, but it seems to me that 4 days isn't really enough time to get a good idea about how things are going to shake out on a server.
To enjoy this game you need to take what you can get. I think this is true in all MMOs really but more so in some than others. The balance of Order vs Destruct will change by the hour and by the day and by the tier. If you want to RvR and the general RvR area is too dominant at that moment in time you can:
1. Join a scenario where the sides are forced to be even
2. Hang out by your back area where you have auto-kill gaurds and play a cat and mouse game until the other side gets bored and start to leave to do other things. Then you roll them. It may take an hour to two but it will happen if you stick with it - at least in the evening times. Then they see you taking objectives and come back and you fight for a while doing that., or they have logged and at least you get to end the day having taken the field. Ebb and flow Ebb and flow that is what it is.
3. Go do PvE and advance to the next Tier which will be a whole new balance ball game depending on how many players on each side have levelled to that tier.
4. Go to the other RvR areas and run around them. The main one might be Empire/Chaos but the RvR areas exist in each land (Orcs/Dwarves, Elves/Dark Elvers) and you will find players there. And/or objectives to take.
5. Get sneaky and use your imagination. Get a group of 5 or 6. Get out of the RvR area and turn off your RvR flag. Casually walk into the back PvE area of the opposing side not attacking anyone. You will be orange and can't be touched. Now find a spot on the road with something nearby to hide behind ideally near some area that has MOBs friendly to your side. Everyone hides except for one of you who sets his RvR flag and stands on the road - he now appears RED con to anyone in the other realm. Ideally trying to look busy doing something, and ideally with a good damage shield potion. Wait for the inevitable - player(s) walking down the road looking for an easy kill on the dumb noob on the road. As soon as they attack, they become RvR elligible. And your hide team then ganks them. Stay there. Keep doing it. Eventually word will get around and the hit squad to get you will come. Then you run to the nearby friendly camp and use the MOBs there to help fight them. When it goes south from there run and see if you can regroup somewhere. If/when you all get squished go do it somewhere else -new land if needed.
Frankly their is so much to do here no matter what the balance situation at any given time on one tier in one land I think if you just try some new things and be flexible you will have a great time. For me, the xp bar and reknown bar flies by no matter what the curent balance situation - and that is what it is all about. Take what it gives you - and the it is not really the game it's really the other side. If Mythic tried to control this any closer they would ruin the game.
First of all, I wouldnt make pre-mature comments before knowing the actual facts. Everyone does NOT pick Horde, trust me. The total population of Alliance is 1,956,124 (54%) and the total population for Horde is 1,669,539 (46%). That is a ratio of 1.2 Alliance over 1 Horde. Even on my Realm, Doomhammer's Alliance population is more populated than Horde. Go to http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php and see the stats for yourself.
Getting back to the subject... In my opinion, you really do have to give WAR a period of time to establish the foundation of itself, in order to even out the poplutation a bit more. The MMORPG is really new right now, it was just released on the 18th of this month. It still has alot of of growing to do before I would totally write the game off. Even if you do see population problems that might be evident now, that does NOT mean it will be like that six months to a year from now. It is just a matter of how much are you dedicated to the game, and if you are willing to hang in there, even when the going gets tough.
First of all, I wouldnt make pre-mature comments before knowing the actual facts. Everyone does NOT pick Horde, trust me. The total population of Alliance is 1,956,124 (54%) and the total population for Horde is 1,669,539 (46%). That is a ratio of 1.2 Alliance over 1 Horde. Even on my Realm, Doomhammer's Alliance population is more populated than Horde. Go to http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php and see the stats for yourself.
Getting back to the subject... In my opinion, you really do have to give WAR a period of time to establish the foundation of itself, in order to even out the poplutation a bit more. The MMORPG is really new right now, it was just released on the 18th of this month. It still has alot of of growing to do before I would totally write the game off. Even if you do see population problems that might be evident now, that does NOT mean it will be like that six months to a year from now. It is just a matter of how much are you dedicated to the game, and if you are willing to hang in there, even when the going gets tough.
originally, everyone did pick alliance.Horde was so outnumbered at tauren mill fights it was unreal.There were no bg's and when they did finally introduce HKs and then BG's horde still didnt que up.
They were balanced around horde and this is why horde are so strong in them now along with their gimped racials < aoe warstomp for teh winz! > alot of allys rerolled horde and new players joined etc balancing it out.
gotta learn the facts before you can use it as a staple in your argument...
I would expect you would learn the facts behind mythic, daoc, ea and uo,mco and all their other games before you use that whole its new rant too..
You quit because of getting rolled in Open RvR when not even in tier 3/4? Sigh... some people just aren't willing to see the world truthfully...
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
It's seems you haven't read what i've said we've tryed grouping and it simply doesn't work when you always out numbered where ever you go we simply can't must enough players.It got to the point where most order are just doing pve and not even queueing for scenario's any more, you can forget RVR as most of the time order camps are under constant seige by large numbers of dest like last time I was in the shadowlands there was around 10-15 dest camping the place the 2-3 order stands no chance of doing anything against that.
Did you check out the other pairings? Maybe no one plays in the Elf realm on your server(s). Did you try the Empire or the Dwarves? I see more Elves and Dwarves in the Empire pairing than I do in their own pairings.
Did you look at the different tiers? On my server, the Empire is currently getting smoked in T2. However, last night Order controlled T1, T3, and T4 in the Empire pairing.
I'm not trying to convince you not to quit and I'm not arguing your experience in the game, but it seems to me that 4 days isn't really enough time to get a good idea about how things are going to shake out on a server.
T1 doesn't really matter but in the last day or 2 I've noticed a sharp drop in new order player.I was lvl 20 in T2 and there simply wasen't enough order plays to do any RVR in any of the zones the few times we tryed we'ed just get steam rolled, and I can't see it been any better in T3 where there'd be even fewer player than T2.
Isn't that the TRUTH.
Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands? ~Ernest Gaines
I bet these guys who complain that they are way outnumbers have never tried to find a party or warband for the scenario, havent bothers to find a guild, dont try to ask the tier chat for assistance.
I have found myself outnumber lots of times in open field rvr (never outnumberd in scenario, just out tanked) what do i do? throw my mouse down, quit and write a post about how warhammer sucks while holding back my tears? I ask my fellow order for assistance. 90% of the time i get an overwhelming response and end up kicking the destructions ass.
So yeah, enough with the wow mentality of solo everything, you need help and a team, you usualy have to be socially outgoing, people arnt going to read you mind and come help you out.
damn kids...
You've just shown how thick some people are if you even bothered to read what i've written you'll find I like the game but the way it is now it's just unplayable.
I only played on the other servers to see what the general feel for the game was and generally the same order simply been unable to compete againest the sheer numbers of dest.
you are so obviously making this up...
if the game is unplayable how come we have constant queues on our server and very fun and challenging RvR battles where Order is actually winning more (open rvr not scenarios) than Destr is...(i m ont dest)
bah go away less whinners makes my games better
Yeah, I guess you are right, then. It sounds like the best thing you can do is just uninstall WAR and move on.
Haha, what a joker. Go back to WoW/AoC, we won't miss you.
Don't forget your life jacket either
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You've just shown how thick some people are if you even bothered to read what i've written you'll find I like the game but the way it is now it's just unplayable.
It is very much playable. I understand you can be frustrated, but all it takes is looking at the server list and not joining a low/high server. Find a med/med, high/high, or full/full server if it is that big of a deal for you. In beta even when greatly outnumbered as order we still came through and won objectives left and right. All it takes is some tactics and 5 other players who want to complete objectives.
Talking about generalization...why you are talking against it, when you are doing exactly the same thing.Leave the person alone, to express his opinion, about not liking WAR, and stop judging him, and pushing him to love it.
People have different tastes and preferences in that context...he may like it, you may like it, but someone may NOT like it.
And you should respect that, instead of trying to "convice" the person, even knowing it will not bring any results.
P.S and yes i dont like WAR, i find it generic,outdated,and im tired of the orcs elves, gnomes, and all kind of fairies which are overused in every single RPG game in the past 10 years....
Same crap, just different package...
Destructions only tactic is zerg.. Tank healer combos that are meant to just "outlast" you.. They have 1 healer for every tank and it seems that order is overloaded on DPS... Last night, order players realized one thng.. If they focus fire on every healer in the back, one by one, you will leave the tanks on an island and they will either run or die... We did this last night.. Targetted nothing but healers, slobbering out our mouths punching tanks in the fact, clawing scratching anything to get to those "quarterbacks"....... End result? 7-3 out of 10 matches for Order that I played in T2...
I think in the end when all things are said and done, once we learn to counter the immense numbers of DoK (prolly the coolest looking class in the game) and kill all the zealots an little green men in the back, they fall and fall easy... Once that ball starts rolling in a scenario, it really is hard to stop...
As for open RvR, the population still matters BUT Order is learning to use their strengths,.. Out DPS'ing them outright has earned us pretty much all the T1 zones as well as keeps in T2...
A general tactic for beating Destruction? Don't let the zerg scare you, and target that squishy in the back.. he WILL wun when he starts getting hit and usually another healer will heal him and you will get the attention of ALL the tanks on the team because they all want the kill.. Once this happens (especially if you are an ironbreker) tell your guys to start taking down healers.. Fire at all of them, they cannot heal each other if they are losing health themselves. once the ranks are broken and all the healers are scattered, try and take down a tank who's just runing around chopping people.. Change targets and focus on him again, this will either make a healer start healing him again or atract a DoK to attack you which is what you want...
Shouldnt have gave up just yet OP... A little tactics can defeat the zerg because healers (other than the uber awesome stealth, heal and DPS DoK's) don't hit for much and are very squishy.. Kill them, and oh boy the hunt is on.. lol.. Everyone can lick their chops and get a peice!
I play on Skull Throne and Bechafen and Destruction doesn't dominate on either of those. It goes back and forth and back and forth.
and your not reading what every one else is saying. i play order and we win more then we lose, both in scenarios and in rvr area's. i'm always with several guild mates if not a full group. it isn't a single player game. if you started on a low pop server, then start over on a new one that has a higher order pop. the game has been out less then a week, a lot of people haven't even had much time to play it yet or even buy it yet. click on the guild forums section here on mmorpg and find a order guild that is recruiting and join them and then log in and play with other people.
again the game has been out less then a week, expecting things to even out and make sence when every one is still learning the game is expecting to much. i know people that still play a new char every other day because they are still trying to figure out which class they want to play.
if he wants to be left alone and quit the game in obscurity then maybe he shouldn't come to a forum for the game and post about it. he plays the game alone, why does he think people here will care that he quit? people aren't trying to keep him playing, they are giving reason why his reasons for quiting are flawed.
why does anyone that decides to quit a game think everyone else should know? normally only some one trying to stir crap up make these sort of post, letting the world know that they quit so and so new game.
I started on a med med server at the start which has gone in 5 days from med med to low high at peak times.
If you really want realm balance there are a few server that have it.
Not the majority, but you can certainly find one. They mostly ahve queues or are RP servers.
Yeah coming from an AOC vet I can see what you mean all those choices of wanting to be a tan human a really tan human or a light skin human makes me wonder why people would even want to play any other game. Hell I am playing a human in real life and its really the only acceptable thing to play.
Anyway to the OP I understand that not everyone wants to lose all the time. If you still have any patience for the game I would reccomend 1 more shot at a server but before you do read the server forums on Warhammer alliance website and find one that looks to be more even. I have played on 2 seperate servers Skull throne and iron Rock and both are even it seems. Also as said previously being part of an organized RVR group will make a world of difference for you as well as we can easily take 3-1 if the Desto isnt organized.
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