No way will Obama win. Same situation as Kerry in 04. They are both extremely Liberal and America, at it's core, is NOT liberal:)
This is just my opinion but I can't foresee ANY Liberal ever getting into the White House and I don't see why the Dems keep trying to force the issue every four years. America always has, and always will, lean more to the Right than the Left.
I think people are still pissed at Bush. And McCain is acting and saying stuff thats making it look like he is going to be the next Bush so thats not helping either.
I'd rather have McCain as a choice between the lesser of two miseries. Your party deals in theoretics, constant opposing with hardly any ideas, and wants to wait with talk while Republicans define themselves through their actions.
By the way...Bush keeps hinting every now and again that McCain is a pain in the rear for him. The last time you could've seen this was at the convention. If that doesn't show difference between the two I don't know what can.
I'll take Defenders of the Republic over incompitent and hand sitting Europeans who would stand by while citizens are slaughtered and the world slowly fall through inaction. At least some parts of the world went out swinging.
Currently if you do not include toss up states Obama has enough electoral votes to win. With the current trends in tossup states Obama has 350 electoral votes.
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
America at the core, is liberal. Sorry guys. Your demonization has failed.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
Either side will claim victory in 4 years from now.
This presidential election is a single term only.
And actually this could be diasterious to the Democractic Party. Should Senator Obama win, the Democractic Party will have full control (except the Court) for two years. Should the economy and wars not turn around, the Democrats most likely will loose seats in the half election cycle (2 years from now). Then come the next two years, should things still not turn around, will loose more seats and the Presidency. Flip-Flop and begins the cycle again...
America at its core is based on Tradition.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Either side will claim victory in 4 years from now.
This presidential election is a single term only.
And actually this could be diasterious to the Democractic Party. Should Senator Obama win, the Democractic Party will have full control (except the Court) for two years. Should the economy and wars not turn around, the Democrats most likely will loose seats in the half election cycle (2 years from now). Then come the next two years, should things still not turn around, will loose more seats and the Presidency. Flip-Flop and begins the cycle again...
America at its core is based on Tradition.
Really? The people who were malcontent, criminal, angry at the social restrictions of Europe, and looking to make their fortune exploring an unexplored continent were at their heart died in the world traditionalists? The men who laid down their lives to throw off the rule of a monarch and lead themselves were the sort who thought Tradition should be upheld above all?
You must live in some alternate reality America where we're still all British citizens and sit around sipping tea midafternoon. Your 'ideal traditional America' existed for a few years in the 1940s-1950s. It was a post war return to roots, a rejection of the Depression, a reaction to seeing their friends and comrades dying next to them (and even if it was for a very good cause they were still very dead). Americans did have two decades there where we ran towards some ideal that never existed.
That's right, the great traditionalists of the 1940s and 50s weren't basing their perceptions on some actual society. It was a depression-era ideal of a happy nuclear family. They were idealists changing society. As is usual in America.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
So you're just going to ignore the fact that your Traditionalist ideal is no more than the creation of a group of idealists? That it represents, as much or more than the 'liberal' ideals you hold in such Low regard, an idealistic reshaping of America?
The new conservatives, the ones who seek not traditional conservatism - slow change, a general acceptance of gradual change as better than fast change, the thoughtful, wise contrast to the idealist - but those who seek to RESHAPE America in their image, to restore Traditionalism, they are not America. They are not even close. And America has realized that. Their ideals don't work, they are as dead as the socialists they despise.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
So you're just going to ignore the fact that your Traditionalist ideal is no more than the creation of a group of idealists?
Not at all.
But first I would like to know, have you been to the Low Countries or for that matter any Western European Country?
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
So you're just going to ignore the fact that your Traditionalist ideal is no more than the creation of a group of idealists?
Not at all.
But first I would like to know, have you been to the Low Countries or for that matter any Western European Country?
I have.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
America at the core, is liberal. Sorry guys. Your demonization has failed.
They'll explain the defeat as massive ACORN voter fraud.
Never mind there's no basis to make this charge, as ACORN blows the whistle on bogus registration applications, and is REQUIRED BY LAW to submit the forms regardless of their validity...they're not supposed to be making the call on legitimacy, the registrars are supposed to do that.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
This shouldn't be a close race at all. This is class warfare plain and simple.
I know some of you are in snuggled nicely in the middle somewhere, a point where you feel you don't need a safety net and shouldn't have to pay for one. But you're wrong.
I'm sure there is some dumb ass out there somewhere, someone who voted for bush in 2000 and 2004 who is now kicking himself in the ass. This someone was all high and mighty making 90K a year after taxes on his own- and he'd be damned to give any of his hard earned money to those welfare scum suckers... Someone who is now out on their ass because they lost their job in this shit economy, in the accounting scandals, in the outsourcing extravaganza... bitching about not getting enough help.
Im not a liberal at all. I like my firearms thankyou very much. I know Obama doesn't. But he's still getting my vote because I'm lucky to make 40K before taxes, Im lucky to just have a job. I've been laid off 3 times in 5 years. 1 in 10 people in my state do not have a job. It's that simple for me, my guns or my quality of life.
Then we can agree in comparing the US and Western European Countries, the US is considered conservative and Western Europe is progressive, correct?
I just need to get this clarified before moving back to Tradition.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I rather be an intelligent socailist than a dumb redneck any day of the week
I rather have the freedom of making decisions and believe what I know is best for my own pursuit of happiness than to have the state dictate the decisions and believe what is best for me.
Sorry but I can't help myself with this, the correct spelling is "socialist."
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
zogby is a 'professional ' polling source. not the CBSNYT poll. more heavily democrat flavored. heres a start of a joke for you: 2 lib organizations, cbs and nyt conduct a poll... by padding the stats of the poll, they are trying to suppress conservative votes. its all over, dont bother to show up.
right, because it worked in '04 it should work in '08
er.. wait.. .what?
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McCain will regain the lead again.
No way will Obama win. Same situation as Kerry in 04. They are both extremely Liberal and America, at it's core, is NOT liberal:)
This is just my opinion but I can't foresee ANY Liberal ever getting into the White House and I don't see why the Dems keep trying to force the issue every four years. America always has, and always will, lean more to the Right than the Left.
I'd rather have McCain as a choice between the lesser of two miseries. Your party deals in theoretics, constant opposing with hardly any ideas, and wants to wait with talk while Republicans define themselves through their actions.
By the way...Bush keeps hinting every now and again that McCain is a pain in the rear for him. The last time you could've seen this was at the convention. If that doesn't show difference between the two I don't know what can.
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I'll take Defenders of the Republic over incompitent and hand sitting Europeans who would stand by while citizens are slaughtered and the world slowly fall through inaction. At least some parts of the world went out swinging.
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Obama up in RCP average poll of polls 8.1 points.
Newest CBS poll puts Obama up 14 points.
Currently if you do not include toss up states Obama has enough electoral votes to win. With the current trends in tossup states Obama has 350 electoral votes.
Time is running out for a change.
Remember, remember the debate of '80 October.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I wonder how they'll explain their defeat now.
America at the core, is liberal. Sorry guys. Your demonization has failed.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
That's easy.
Either side will claim victory in 4 years from now.
This presidential election is a single term only.
And actually this could be diasterious to the Democractic Party. Should Senator Obama win, the Democractic Party will have full control (except the Court) for two years. Should the economy and wars not turn around, the Democrats most likely will loose seats in the half election cycle (2 years from now). Then come the next two years, should things still not turn around, will loose more seats and the Presidency. Flip-Flop and begins the cycle again...
America at its core is based on Tradition.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Really? The people who were malcontent, criminal, angry at the social restrictions of Europe, and looking to make their fortune exploring an unexplored continent were at their heart died in the world traditionalists? The men who laid down their lives to throw off the rule of a monarch and lead themselves were the sort who thought Tradition should be upheld above all?
You must live in some alternate reality America where we're still all British citizens and sit around sipping tea midafternoon. Your 'ideal traditional America' existed for a few years in the 1940s-1950s. It was a post war return to roots, a rejection of the Depression, a reaction to seeing their friends and comrades dying next to them (and even if it was for a very good cause they were still very dead). Americans did have two decades there where we ran towards some ideal that never existed.
That's right, the great traditionalists of the 1940s and 50s weren't basing their perceptions on some actual society. It was a depression-era ideal of a happy nuclear family. They were idealists changing society. As is usual in America.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
Have you been to the Low Countries in Europe?
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
So you're just going to ignore the fact that your Traditionalist ideal is no more than the creation of a group of idealists? That it represents, as much or more than the 'liberal' ideals you hold in such Low regard, an idealistic reshaping of America?
The new conservatives, the ones who seek not traditional conservatism - slow change, a general acceptance of gradual change as better than fast change, the thoughtful, wise contrast to the idealist - but those who seek to RESHAPE America in their image, to restore Traditionalism, they are not America. They are not even close. And America has realized that. Their ideals don't work, they are as dead as the socialists they despise.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
Not at all.
But first I would like to know, have you been to the Low Countries or for that matter any Western European Country?
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Not at all.
But first I would like to know, have you been to the Low Countries or for that matter any Western European Country?
I have.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
Zogby: Statistical dead heat (posted 9 hrs ago ) Boston Herald
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
They'll explain the defeat as massive ACORN voter fraud.
Never mind there's no basis to make this charge, as ACORN blows the whistle on bogus registration applications, and is REQUIRED BY LAW to submit the forms regardless of their validity...they're not supposed to be making the call on legitimacy, the registrars are supposed to do that.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
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This shouldn't be a close race at all. This is class warfare plain and simple.
I know some of you are in snuggled nicely in the middle somewhere, a point where you feel you don't need a safety net and shouldn't have to pay for one. But you're wrong.
I'm sure there is some dumb ass out there somewhere, someone who voted for bush in 2000 and 2004 who is now kicking himself in the ass. This someone was all high and mighty making 90K a year after taxes on his own- and he'd be damned to give any of his hard earned money to those welfare scum suckers... Someone who is now out on their ass because they lost their job in this shit economy, in the accounting scandals, in the outsourcing extravaganza... bitching about not getting enough help.
Im not a liberal at all. I like my firearms thankyou very much. I know Obama doesn't. But he's still getting my vote because I'm lucky to make 40K before taxes, Im lucky to just have a job. I've been laid off 3 times in 5 years. 1 in 10 people in my state do not have a job. It's that simple for me, my guns or my quality of life.
If you cant believe in change, than you have nothing left to believe in except the same old sh*t LOL
IE You should apply to the I detest humanity thread, while keep on hoping our country reamins the same old same old
ZOGBY WEDNESDAY: OBAMA 48.2%, MCCAIN 44.4%... NOT SURE 7.4%... DEVELOPING...
-I will subtlety invade your psyche-
Excellent!
Then we can agree in comparing the US and Western European Countries, the US is considered conservative and Western Europe is progressive, correct?
I just need to get this clarified before moving back to Tradition.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I rather have the freedom of making decisions and believe what I know is best for my own pursuit of happiness than to have the state dictate the decisions and believe what is best for me.
Sorry but I can't help myself with this, the correct spelling is "socialist."
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
PWNED!
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111151/Gallup-Daily-Race-Steady-Obama-Leading.aspx
The CBS poll released today is even more lopsided in Obama's favor. Not that it means much except to show a contrast to Zogby's closer finding.
The bottom line though is that screaming "Ayers!" and "Acorn" is trumped by "Where is my retirement money!"
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
zogby is a 'professional ' polling source.
not the CBSNYT poll.
more heavily democrat flavored.
heres a start of a joke for you:
2 lib organizations, cbs and nyt conduct a poll...
by padding the stats of the poll, they are trying to suppress conservative votes.
its all over, dont bother to show up.
-I will subtlety invade your psyche-
right, because it worked in '04 it should work in '08
er.. wait.. .what?
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
It will be a sad day if Obama gets elected. Most people that will vote for him are misinformed and are snowed by his fast talking.
The me who hears what the other me can't, is the dominant one.
what will be sad about it? because hes a terrorist? Please, unless you want this thread to spin out of control dont mention misinformed
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."