Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase.
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite conspicuous (thanks for the correction). Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase.
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
The reason he said before december is because Open beta will be Finished by the start of December and release shortly after. They didn't say Open Beta will start in december they said it will END in early december.
Here's the actual quote
The big news that I was told I can share with the community is that OPEN beta will be FINISHED by the start of December and release will follow soon after. So… stay on your toes.
And here is the link where you can find that quote.
Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase.
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
The reason he said before december is because Open beta will be Finished by the start of December and release shortly after. They didn't say Open Beta will start in december they said it will END in early december.
Here's the actual quote
The big news that I was told I can share with the community is that OPEN beta will be FINISHED by the start of December and release will follow soon after. So… stay on your toes.
And here is the link where you can find that quote.
I've posted and linked that a couple times myself already.
Again... I'm not reading more into what was said than what it says. The only thing we know is that Open Beta will be FINISHED by the start of December.
How long will Open Beta be? We don't know. It could be anything from 1 day to 1.5 months.
What does start of December mean? We don't know. It could mean before Dec. 1st, or it could mean sometime before the middle of December.
That was what I was pointing out. We can't assume that the "start of December" means anything other that what it specifically says. We can't assume Open Beta will start at any point... because we don't know it's length. That's why I said... "before December" is incorrect.
I've posted and linked that a couple times myself already.
Again... I'm not reading more into what was said than what it says. The only thing we know is that Open Beta will be FINISHED by the start of December.
How long will Open Beta be? We don't know. It could be anything from 1 day to 1.5 months.
What does start of December mean? We don't know. It could mean before Dec. 1st, or it could mean sometime before the middle of December.
That was what I was pointing out. We can't assume that the "start of December" means anything other that what it specifically says. We can't assume Open Beta will start at any point... because we don't know it's length. That's why I said... "before December" is incorrect.
Picky, picky, picky. It means that they have set certain ranges, not that they are deliberately witholding information (though I beleive that they are delibrately witholding the open beta start date and release date for a media exclusive). If they are just giving themselves some room, than we can use a small bit of logic and conclude that they want the start of December to mean the first and thus open beta will begin a couple of weeks before that in mid November. Instead of just being skepitical, maybe you could try to tease out why things are stated in the way that they are.
Edit: Contrite does not mean what you think it does.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase.
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
I am sorry but does no one else think this is a very prick like statement? Honestly Beta has started, just because you are waiting for open beta, does not mean beta has not started. You can not just take the beta process and trim it down to only one phase just because thats the one you are waiting for. Beta has started, open beta has not. Its as simple as that but for some reason you want to over complicate this whole thing to what? Prove a point? Make Friends? Be Cool? Well you are doing none of the above sir.
_____________________________ At the turn of the century... In 2008... Cracked.com voted Roosevelt as the most badass President of all time.
I've posted and linked that a couple times myself already.
Again... I'm not reading more into what was said than what it says. The only thing we know is that Open Beta will be FINISHED by the start of December.
How long will Open Beta be? We don't know. It could be anything from 1 day to 1.5 months.
What does start of December mean? We don't know. It could mean before Dec. 1st, or it could mean sometime before the middle of December.
That was what I was pointing out. We can't assume that the "start of December" means anything other that what it specifically says. We can't assume Open Beta will start at any point... because we don't know it's length. That's why I said... "before December" is incorrect.
Picky, picky, picky. It means that they have set certain ranges, not that they are deliberately witholding information (though I beleive that they are delibrately witholding the open beta start date and release date for a media exclusive). If they are just giving themselves some room, than we can use a small bit of logic and conclude that they want the start of December to mean the first and thus open beta will begin a couple of weeks before that in mid November. Instead of just being skepitical, maybe you could try to tease out why things are stated in the way that they are.
Edit: Contrite does not mean what you think it does.
Except for one thing... the history of Darkfall and Aventurine's past statements have shown that the wording is very deliberate. If this were the first time they had said something like this then yes... I would agree with you.
However... this is Darkfall. The meaning of some words and phrases are not always what you think they mean. Perhaps this post by Theodgrim would help me show what I mean:
I will believe Darkfall is in beta when it can be confirmed. This whole thing has become a joke, at least if you have been following the game for many years. They have been in some form of "beta", and just about to start public testing since 2003! Lets take a look at Darkfall and "beta" over the years -
Claus: Darkfall is entering closed beta testing in September this year. The closed beta is fully playable, with most core features implemented. We will be adding features and content during closed beta, while we gear up for the next beta stages.
GB: In the past couple of years, have any of your design goals changed? Has anything been cut/added from the development process?
Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. We sadly had to remove some popular features such as flying mounts, for reasons having to do with game balance issues related to sieges, and deformable terrain, due to possible latency issues. We have tried to make up for it by adding more content than originally planned. We'll be looking at possibly implementing these features at a later date.
(guess there was no "restart" or "do-over" in 2003, eh?)
GB: Will there be multiple phases to the public beta? Have you arrived at a date when you might begin such a beta?
Claus: Starting from Closed Beta in September, we will slowly add more and more testers. We will have an open beta shortly after, for stress testing.
Tasos: We feel that the Darkfall community deserves an update on the state of the game, this being the last day of Septemeber. We had said that we expect to be in beta this month and there has been a lot of speculation and uncertainty about what we meant by that.
We've been in a tech beta since September 2nd, testing, working on bugs, tuning and tweaking, adding content, and building the world. We're slightly behind schedule in some areas of development, ahead of schedule in others, and we're always working on new things, the latest being an optional third person perspective that can fit in with our gameplay design. Overall we're very happy with the progress, we don't have any serious problems, and we believe that we'll be able to deliver an advanced beta build for playtesting before long.
11-27-2003
Tasos: We've been quiet for a while, being in a stage of implementation with little to report. We thought it would be best to start by giving the community an overview with information of where we're at, and what we're doing now. We'll continue with frequent status updates as needed until Darkfall's release.
Tasos: Since our last update we've completed a lot of work and we're busy working on our latest Darkfall build which is on schedule and due to be out on February the 3d. This build is an important step towards community playtesting.
Darkfall is currently in the final stages of internal beta testing. This means that the game is being tested in-house in preparation for public playtesting. A beta registration form will become available on this website soon.
Darkfall is still in internal beta. Delays and development taking longer than anticipated is the norm in the gaming industry as we all know, even in companies and projects with virtually unlimited resources. In our case the time related problems were tied more with the development of the advanced technology and the tools behind the game and not so much with the game itself.
(Munka) I'm sure the biggest thing on the mind of the fans is when the beta is going to be held. Is the team nearing this stage or is there still a great deal to do before you can think about a beta?
Darkfall Team: We've been asked this question often and we know that this is on the mind of the fans, it's on our mind as well since there's nothing we would like more than have people playtesting the game.
We do have an internal milestone for the beta as the fans perceive it, and that's the state where the game can be playtested and fun could be had. We're nearing this stage. Other than that, we've been testing the game internally for quite some time now.
Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website. It's a huge job, and we want it done right. The start of the beta is affected by multiple variables, and not just development ones. The same goes for Darkfall's launch date. Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately. The additional time taken to work on the game was a decision made in an effort to make Darkfall directly competitive with the largest MMOG titles out there. Nobody is going to feel they've stepped down by switching to Darkfall, or play Darkfall as an alternative to their main game.
They've kept their game fairly low on the PR radar until this year. "Too many MMOs are released before they're ready to go to market," said Associate Producer Tasos Flambouras. "We want the beta to be almost finished before we show it to the world."
When I asked how far along they were with their game, they seemed pretty confident that the engine was almost ready. "We're spending a lot of our efforts tuning the graphics and art assets right now," explained Flambournas.
Tasos: We're in the middle of an effort of maintaining beta preparations while continuing to develop the game. In regards to that, I understand that the main information you need is a date, and we're getting closer to locking a schedule in.
MMORPG.com: As Darkfall continues its development cycle when can we expect to see a Beta? Also do you have a target for production?
Tasos Flambouras: We've mentioned before that it's difficult to run a beta test while continuing development on the game, especially when all our human resources are in development. We are now at a stage where we can and we are preparing the beta test which will allow external beta testers in and this is now a high priority for us. We do have a target for production but realistically the target date will be tweaked during testing. We think it's better to hold off on an announcement until then.
MMORPG.com: What is in the near future for Darkfall? After launch are there plans for an expansion?
Tasos Flambouras: We're moving towards external testing in the near future. As for after launch, Darkfall follows a timeline and the design looks past the release of the game. We already have plans and guidelines for part of our first updates.
The beta development milestone was met early in December. Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly.
Tasos: We've been throwing around the word beta quite a bit, and it's not to churn the waters, it's because it's what we're working on right now. An editorial on this site urged us to come out with a date. Well that's nice, and we will when we have one. We've specified that our internal target date is this summer and we can't get more specific yet, but we will when we're ready to make an announcement.
Tasos: If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met.
Overall, we have a near complete implementation of the game, speaking of the technology and our feature list. We're running the game through proper QA testing at the moment, and doing full optimizations to make sure everything will run smoothly even when demands on the game are high.
Tasos: Darkfall is feature complete and we're doing beta testing using professional testers as we've said before.
(HUH? Seems they have wanted players testing this game as early as possible...guess they changed their mind!)
Tasos: Based on the above, it's conceivable that we may be further along in development than several games in beta, or with announced release dates. So why don't we announce a date already? It's because there's no way we'll miss a release date and we're not going to just set a date as a goal, and either postpone or be forced to release something unfinished. We resolve to stick with our release date because we know how people tend to plan around this as far as organization, time and hardware goes when they're looking to make a commitment to an MMORPG, especially a competitive one like Darkfall.
Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase.
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
I am sorry but does no one else think this is a very prick like statement? Honestly Beta has started, just because you are waiting for open beta, does not mean beta has not started. You can not just take the beta process and trim it down to only one phase just because thats the one you are waiting for. Beta has started, open beta has not. Its as simple as that but for some reason you want to over complicate this whole thing to what? Prove a point? Make Friends? Be Cool? Well you are doing none of the above sir.
I'm sorry if I offended you... not my intent.
The statement by Shaar clearly referenced OPEN Beta... did it not?
Has that part started yet?
Do we know when it will start?
So when someone asks about OPEN Beta... seems kinda silly to say that Beta has already started. That was my intent.
Edit:
This is the quote I am referring to:
"Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase. "
Made AFTER Shaar's announcement was posted and replied to by the originator of that quote. When someone asks about OPEN Beta... after Shaar's announcement... does the phrase "Beta started in September" sound like a good response? If so... then I'm not sure what to say.
Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase.
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
I am sorry but does no one else think this is a very prick like statement? Honestly Beta has started, just because you are waiting for open beta, does not mean beta has not started. You can not just take the beta process and trim it down to only one phase just because thats the one you are waiting for. Beta has started, open beta has not. Its as simple as that but for some reason you want to over complicate this whole thing to what? Prove a point? Make Friends? Be Cool? Well you are doing none of the above sir.
I'm sorry if I offended you... not my intent.
The statement by Shaar clearly referenced OPEN Beta... did it not?
Has that part started yet?
Do we know when it will start?
So when someone asks about OPEN Beta... seems kinda silly to say that Beta has already started. That was my intent.
Edit:
This is the quote I am referring to:
"Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase. "
Made AFTER Shaar's announcement was posted and replied to by the originator of that quote. When someone asks about OPEN Beta... after Shaar's announcement... does the phrase "Beta started in September" sound like a good response? If so... then I'm not sure what to say.
Now I understand more where you were coming from I had missed that second post. I think everyone here has just a load of frustration that will no end unless we play the game or really see someone else playing it. Sorry for any offense I might have made.
_____________________________ At the turn of the century... In 2008... Cracked.com voted Roosevelt as the most badass President of all time.
Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase.
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
I am sorry but does no one else think this is a very prick like statement? Honestly Beta has started, just because you are waiting for open beta, does not mean beta has not started. You can not just take the beta process and trim it down to only one phase just because thats the one you are waiting for. Beta has started, open beta has not. Its as simple as that but for some reason you want to over complicate this whole thing to what? Prove a point? Make Friends? Be Cool? Well you are doing none of the above sir.
I'm sorry if I offended you... not my intent.
The statement by Shaar clearly referenced OPEN Beta... did it not?
Has that part started yet?
Do we know when it will start?
So when someone asks about OPEN Beta... seems kinda silly to say that Beta has already started. That was my intent.
Edit:
This is the quote I am referring to:
"Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase. "
Made AFTER Shaar's announcement was posted and replied to by the originator of that quote. When someone asks about OPEN Beta... after Shaar's announcement... does the phrase "Beta started in September" sound like a good response? If so... then I'm not sure what to say.
Now I understand more where you were coming from I had missed that second post. I think everyone here has just a load of frustration that will no end unless we play the game or really see someone else playing it. Sorry for any offense I might have made.
No worries.
Glad you called me out for coming across rude. That is never my intention. It made me go back and re-read my posts and you were correct... they did come across that way. So I do apologize to you and any others that may have been offended.
I do go a bit heavy on the sarcasm from time to time... it's a weakness of mine.
I agree with you as well... the sooner Open Beta starts... the better. Although that will most likely be the beginning of the new phase of Darkfall forum posts. I'm not under the impression that all will be rosy in Forumfall once Open Beta starts. I can see them now...
"We waited 7 years for this"
"When does the real Beta start"
"I've seen better Alphas than this"
...and on and on...
I'll be very surprised if the threads about Darkfall's Open Beta are any different. Such is the nature of Forums of MMOs these days. There will at least be something new to talk about and plus the mods will have something to do to keep them from falling asleep.
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Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite conspicuous (thanks for the correction). Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
The reason he said before december is because Open beta will be Finished by the start of December and release shortly after. They didn't say Open Beta will start in december they said it will END in early december.
Here's the actual quote
The big news that I was told I can share with the community is that OPEN beta will be FINISHED by the start of December and release will follow soon after. So… stay on your toes.
And here is the link where you can find that quote.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?p=1819433#post1819433
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
The reason he said before december is because Open beta will be Finished by the start of December and release shortly after. They didn't say Open Beta will start in december they said it will END in early december.
Here's the actual quote
The big news that I was told I can share with the community is that OPEN beta will be FINISHED by the start of December and release will follow soon after. So… stay on your toes.
And here is the link where you can find that quote.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?p=1819433#post1819433
Heh... thanks GrayGhost.
I've posted and linked that a couple times myself already.
Again... I'm not reading more into what was said than what it says. The only thing we know is that Open Beta will be FINISHED by the start of December.
How long will Open Beta be? We don't know. It could be anything from 1 day to 1.5 months.
What does start of December mean? We don't know. It could mean before Dec. 1st, or it could mean sometime before the middle of December.
That was what I was pointing out. We can't assume that the "start of December" means anything other that what it specifically says. We can't assume Open Beta will start at any point... because we don't know it's length. That's why I said... "before December" is incorrect.
Heh... thanks GrayGhost.
I've posted and linked that a couple times myself already.
Again... I'm not reading more into what was said than what it says. The only thing we know is that Open Beta will be FINISHED by the start of December.
How long will Open Beta be? We don't know. It could be anything from 1 day to 1.5 months.
What does start of December mean? We don't know. It could mean before Dec. 1st, or it could mean sometime before the middle of December.
That was what I was pointing out. We can't assume that the "start of December" means anything other that what it specifically says. We can't assume Open Beta will start at any point... because we don't know it's length. That's why I said... "before December" is incorrect.
Picky, picky, picky. It means that they have set certain ranges, not that they are deliberately witholding information (though I beleive that they are delibrately witholding the open beta start date and release date for a media exclusive). If they are just giving themselves some room, than we can use a small bit of logic and conclude that they want the start of December to mean the first and thus open beta will begin a couple of weeks before that in mid November. Instead of just being skepitical, maybe you could try to tease out why things are stated in the way that they are.
Edit: Contrite does not mean what you think it does.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
I am sorry but does no one else think this is a very prick like statement? Honestly Beta has started, just because you are waiting for open beta, does not mean beta has not started. You can not just take the beta process and trim it down to only one phase just because thats the one you are waiting for. Beta has started, open beta has not. Its as simple as that but for some reason you want to over complicate this whole thing to what? Prove a point? Make Friends? Be Cool? Well you are doing none of the above sir.
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Heh... thanks GrayGhost.
I've posted and linked that a couple times myself already.
Again... I'm not reading more into what was said than what it says. The only thing we know is that Open Beta will be FINISHED by the start of December.
How long will Open Beta be? We don't know. It could be anything from 1 day to 1.5 months.
What does start of December mean? We don't know. It could mean before Dec. 1st, or it could mean sometime before the middle of December.
That was what I was pointing out. We can't assume that the "start of December" means anything other that what it specifically says. We can't assume Open Beta will start at any point... because we don't know it's length. That's why I said... "before December" is incorrect.
Picky, picky, picky. It means that they have set certain ranges, not that they are deliberately witholding information (though I beleive that they are delibrately witholding the open beta start date and release date for a media exclusive). If they are just giving themselves some room, than we can use a small bit of logic and conclude that they want the start of December to mean the first and thus open beta will begin a couple of weeks before that in mid November. Instead of just being skepitical, maybe you could try to tease out why things are stated in the way that they are.
Edit: Contrite does not mean what you think it does.
Except for one thing... the history of Darkfall and Aventurine's past statements have shown that the wording is very deliberate. If this were the first time they had said something like this then yes... I would agree with you.
However... this is Darkfall. The meaning of some words and phrases are not always what you think they mean. Perhaps this post by Theodgrim would help me show what I mean:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/205888
Originally posted by Theodgrim
I will believe Darkfall is in beta when it can be confirmed. This whole thing has become a joke, at least if you have been following the game for many years. They have been in some form of "beta", and just about to start public testing since 2003! Lets take a look at Darkfall and "beta" over the years -
08-03-2003
http://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/darkfall2-1.php
Claus: Darkfall is entering closed beta testing in September this year. The closed beta is fully playable, with most core features implemented. We will be adding features and content during closed beta, while we gear up for the next beta stages.
GB: In the past couple of years, have any of your design goals changed? Has anything been cut/added from the development process?
Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. We sadly had to remove some popular features such as flying mounts, for reasons having to do with game balance issues related to sieges, and deformable terrain, due to possible latency issues. We have tried to make up for it by adding more content than originally planned. We'll be looking at possibly implementing these features at a later date.
(guess there was no "restart" or "do-over" in 2003, eh?)
GB: Will there be multiple phases to the public beta? Have you arrived at a date when you might begin such a beta?
Claus: Starting from Closed Beta in September, we will slowly add more and more testers. We will have an open beta shortly after, for stress testing.
9-30-2003
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=5542
Tasos: We feel that the Darkfall community deserves an update on the state of the game, this being the last day of Septemeber. We had said that we expect to be in beta this month and there has been a lot of speculation and uncertainty about what we meant by that.
We've been in a tech beta since September 2nd, testing, working on bugs, tuning and tweaking, adding content, and building the world. We're slightly behind schedule in some areas of development, ahead of schedule in others, and we're always working on new things, the latest being an optional third person perspective that can fit in with our gameplay design. Overall we're very happy with the progress, we don't have any serious problems, and we believe that we'll be able to deliver an advanced beta build for playtesting before long.
11-27-2003
Tasos: We've been quiet for a while, being in a stage of implementation with little to report. We thought it would be best to start by giving the community an overview with information of where we're at, and what we're doing now. We'll continue with frequent status updates as needed until Darkfall's release.
1-26-2004
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=7202
Tasos: Since our last update we've completed a lot of work and we're busy working on our latest Darkfall build which is on schedule and due to be out on February the 3d. This build is an important step towards community playtesting.
4-6-2004
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=8495
When is Beta?
Darkfall is currently in the final stages of internal beta testing. This means that the game is being tested in-house in preparation for public playtesting. A beta registration form will become available on this website soon.
7-9-2004
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=9970
Darkfall is still in internal beta. Delays and development taking longer than anticipated is the norm in the gaming industry as we all know, even in companies and projects with virtually unlimited resources. In our case the time related problems were tied more with the development of the advanced technology and the tools behind the game and not so much with the game itself.
5-4-2005
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/86/gameID/4/
MMORPG.com:
(Munka) I'm sure the biggest thing on the mind of the fans is when the beta is going to be held. Is the team nearing this stage or is there still a great deal to do before you can think about a beta?
Darkfall Team: We've been asked this question often and we know that this is on the mind of the fans, it's on our mind as well since there's nothing we would like more than have people playtesting the game.
We do have an internal milestone for the beta as the fans perceive it, and that's the state where the game can be playtested and fun could be had. We're nearing this stage. Other than that, we've been testing the game internally for quite some time now.
11-28-2005
http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p1.html
Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website. It's a huge job, and we want it done right. The start of the beta is affected by multiple variables, and not just development ones. The same goes for Darkfall's launch date. Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately. The additional time taken to work on the game was a decision made in an effort to make Darkfall directly competitive with the largest MMOG titles out there. Nobody is going to feel they've stepped down by switching to Darkfall, or play Darkfall as an alternative to their main game.
8-26-2006
http://www.womengamers.com/articles/editorials/passion-behind-darkfall-online/1/
They've kept their game fairly low on the PR radar until this year. "Too many MMOs are released before they're ready to go to market," said Associate Producer Tasos Flambouras. "We want the beta to be almost finished before we show it to the world."
When I asked how far along they were with their game, they seemed pretty confident that the engine was almost ready. "We're spending a lot of our efforts tuning the graphics and art assets right now," explained Flambournas.
10-11-2006
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=26783
Tasos: We're in the middle of an effort of maintaining beta preparations while continuing to develop the game. In regards to that, I understand that the main information you need is a date, and we're getting closer to locking a schedule in.
11-30-2006
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/gameId/4/setView/features/loadFeature/733/InterviewwithTasosFlambouras.html
MMORPG.com: As Darkfall continues its development cycle when can we expect to see a Beta? Also do you have a target for production?
Tasos Flambouras: We've mentioned before that it's difficult to run a beta test while continuing development on the game, especially when all our human resources are in development. We are now at a stage where we can and we are preparing the beta test which will allow external beta testers in and this is now a high priority for us. We do have a target for production but realistically the target date will be tweaked during testing. We think it's better to hold off on an announcement until then.
MMORPG.com: What is in the near future for Darkfall? After launch are there plans for an expansion?
Tasos Flambouras: We're moving towards external testing in the near future. As for after launch, Darkfall follows a timeline and the design looks past the release of the game. We already have plans and guidelines for part of our first updates.
1-17-2007
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=30347
The beta development milestone was met early in December. Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly.
5-31-2007
http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.42541
Tasos: We've been throwing around the word beta quite a bit, and it's not to churn the waters, it's because it's what we're working on right now. An editorial on this site urged us to come out with a date. Well that's nice, and we will when we have one. We've specified that our internal target date is this summer and we can't get more specific yet, but we will when we're ready to make an announcement.
9-28-2007
http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/2289-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-15-A-Visit-From-a-Fan
Tasos: If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met.
1-11-2008
http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/2796-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-21-Summary-Status
Overall, we have a near complete implementation of the game, speaking of the technology and our feature list. We're running the game through proper QA testing at the moment, and doing full optimizations to make sure everything will run smoothly even when demands on the game are high.
4-11-2008
http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/3570-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-25-Philosophy
Tasos: Darkfall is feature complete and we're doing beta testing using professional testers as we've said before.
(HUH? Seems they have wanted players testing this game as early as possible...guess they changed their mind!)
Tasos: Based on the above, it's conceivable that we may be further along in development than several games in beta, or with announced release dates. So why don't we announce a date already? It's because there's no way we'll miss a release date and we're not going to just set a date as a goal, and either postpone or be forced to release something unfinished. We resolve to stick with our release date because we know how people tend to plan around this as far as organization, time and hardware goes when they're looking to make a commitment to an MMORPG, especially a competitive one like Darkfall.
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
I am sorry but does no one else think this is a very prick like statement? Honestly Beta has started, just because you are waiting for open beta, does not mean beta has not started. You can not just take the beta process and trim it down to only one phase just because thats the one you are waiting for. Beta has started, open beta has not. Its as simple as that but for some reason you want to over complicate this whole thing to what? Prove a point? Make Friends? Be Cool? Well you are doing none of the above sir.
I'm sorry if I offended you... not my intent.
The statement by Shaar clearly referenced OPEN Beta... did it not?
Has that part started yet?
Do we know when it will start?
So when someone asks about OPEN Beta... seems kinda silly to say that Beta has already started. That was my intent.
Edit:
This is the quote I am referring to:
"Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase. "
Made AFTER Shaar's announcement was posted and replied to by the originator of that quote. When someone asks about OPEN Beta... after Shaar's announcement... does the phrase "Beta started in September" sound like a good response? If so... then I'm not sure what to say.
Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
I am sorry but does no one else think this is a very prick like statement? Honestly Beta has started, just because you are waiting for open beta, does not mean beta has not started. You can not just take the beta process and trim it down to only one phase just because thats the one you are waiting for. Beta has started, open beta has not. Its as simple as that but for some reason you want to over complicate this whole thing to what? Prove a point? Make Friends? Be Cool? Well you are doing none of the above sir.
I'm sorry if I offended you... not my intent.
The statement by Shaar clearly referenced OPEN Beta... did it not?
Has that part started yet?
Do we know when it will start?
So when someone asks about OPEN Beta... seems kinda silly to say that Beta has already started. That was my intent.
Edit:
This is the quote I am referring to:
"Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase. "
Made AFTER Shaar's announcement was posted and replied to by the originator of that quote. When someone asks about OPEN Beta... after Shaar's announcement... does the phrase "Beta started in September" sound like a good response? If so... then I'm not sure what to say.
Now I understand more where you were coming from I had missed that second post. I think everyone here has just a load of frustration that will no end unless we play the game or really see someone else playing it. Sorry for any offense I might have made.
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Since it seems like the phrase Beta already started seems to be the mantra for some...
I think the vast majority of us mean .... OPEN BETA! Play-testing-OPEN BETA ... that Beta. That's what we mean when we say Beta.
Not internal beta
Not closed beta
Not professional-tester beta
Not hardware-testing beta
Just plain old, vanilla, can't be misunderstood... OPEN BETA! Like the one that Shaar emphasized in his post when he announced the FINISH to OPEN beta (his emphasis not mine).
Was I clear enough in what people usually mean when they say Beta? If not... I can try to elaborate.
Open beta usually occurs when a product is ready for commercial release, and only lasts a few weeks. As MMOs become more popular, open beta seems to be looked at more of a free sample than the stress test it once was.
Open beta will come soon before release, and this has been confirmed to be, before December.
Ahh... good to hear you know what Open Beta is. For awhile there we were concerned you were confused since when people asked when Open Beta was going to start... you told them Beta has already started.
Yes, we know some form of Beta started back in September. However, since the vast majority of us haven't and probably won't be in that form of Beta it's not the one that we are waiting for.
Especially irksome about your continous statements made that Beta has already started after Shaar's announcement yesterday was that you knew Shaar had emphasized the word OPEN Beta. You knew that people were wondering about OPEN Beta.
Yet... all you could produce was the broken record of Beta started in September, and as of 3 days ago they were still in hardware-testing only Beta. Both of which are true statements... but you were purposefully being contrite. Not a good way to attract new players to the game.
Anyway... glad to hear that it's finally sunk in that the vast majority of us are looking forward to the beginning of OPEN Beta. Hopefully it will last more than a few days.
One little correction...
It has not been confirmed to be "before December".
The words used were: "by the start of December". Does that mean "before December"? It could be. It could also mean the first few days into December as well though. Since that would still be the "start of December".
One thing most of us long term followers of Darkfall have learned... don't assume the words mean what you would usually think they mean.
I am sorry but does no one else think this is a very prick like statement? Honestly Beta has started, just because you are waiting for open beta, does not mean beta has not started. You can not just take the beta process and trim it down to only one phase just because thats the one you are waiting for. Beta has started, open beta has not. Its as simple as that but for some reason you want to over complicate this whole thing to what? Prove a point? Make Friends? Be Cool? Well you are doing none of the above sir.
I'm sorry if I offended you... not my intent.
The statement by Shaar clearly referenced OPEN Beta... did it not?
Has that part started yet?
Do we know when it will start?
So when someone asks about OPEN Beta... seems kinda silly to say that Beta has already started. That was my intent.
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This is the quote I am referring to:
"Beta started in September, people are in, as of 3 days ago we're still in the hardware phase. "
Made AFTER Shaar's announcement was posted and replied to by the originator of that quote. When someone asks about OPEN Beta... after Shaar's announcement... does the phrase "Beta started in September" sound like a good response? If so... then I'm not sure what to say.
Now I understand more where you were coming from I had missed that second post. I think everyone here has just a load of frustration that will no end unless we play the game or really see someone else playing it. Sorry for any offense I might have made.
No worries.
Glad you called me out for coming across rude. That is never my intention. It made me go back and re-read my posts and you were correct... they did come across that way. So I do apologize to you and any others that may have been offended.
I do go a bit heavy on the sarcasm from time to time... it's a weakness of mine.
I agree with you as well... the sooner Open Beta starts... the better. Although that will most likely be the beginning of the new phase of Darkfall forum posts. I'm not under the impression that all will be rosy in Forumfall once Open Beta starts. I can see them now...
"We waited 7 years for this"
"When does the real Beta start"
"I've seen better Alphas than this"
...and on and on...
I'll be very surprised if the threads about Darkfall's Open Beta are any different. Such is the nature of Forums of MMOs these days. There will at least be something new to talk about and plus the mods will have something to do to keep them from falling asleep.