This is a funny thread, and I pointed it out to a friend who plays on karak eight peaks and he laughed and told me he knows who the OP gestalt is
It's apparently an order player who got pissed off after his warband got wtfpwned repeatedly by destruct and has been emo on forums ever since, Order lost because they didn't even bother to defend their keeps and kept farming scenarios inead
He posts dozens of angry posts every day saying he's quitting and rvr is dead, etc because his guild's keep got sacked
Apparently he plays a bright wisard on that server and QQs on the waralliance forums about destruct pwning everything with bugs, the maps being broken, mythic handicaping order on purpose, bright wisards being UP.... lol
This is a funny thread, and I pointed it out to a friend who plays on karak eight peaks and he laughed and told me he knows who the OP gestalt is It's apparently an order player who got pissed off after his warband got wtfpwned repeatedly by destruct and has been emo on forums ever since, Order lost because they didn't even bother to defend their keeps and kept farming scenarios inead He posts dozens of angry posts every day saying he's quitting and rvr is dead, etc because his guild's keep got sacked Apparently he plays a bright wisard on that server and QQs on the waralliance forums about destruct pwning everything with bugs, the maps being broken, mythic handicaping order on purpose, bright wisards being UP.... lol
I do not play on Karak Eight Peaks. I already said that here. I am not even European. Jeez. Nor do I play a bright wizard.
If you weren't anything other than a horribly failed amateur detective you would know from just these boards that I play a Swordmaster on a low population US server. And a few other alts on some high pop servers.
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Oh right there is some guy with the screen name (Gestalt, not gestalt11) I saw posting on VNboard i think. Wahtever if you are blind enough to not see just how big of a problem this is for ALL serves no matter who I am then you need help.
I do not post on Warhammer alliance or VNboard with this screen name. Nice try with the pathetic Ad Hominen though. Once again the last resort of the intellectually bankrupt. Seems to be a lot of those on the VNboards especially.
This is a funny thread, and I pointed it out to a friend who plays on karak eight peaks and he laughed and told me he knows who the OP gestalt is It's apparently an order player who got pissed off after his warband got wtfpwned repeatedly by destruct and has been emo on forums ever since, Order lost because they didn't even bother to defend their keeps and kept farming scenarios inead He posts dozens of angry posts every day saying he's quitting and rvr is dead, etc because his guild's keep got sacked Apparently he plays a bright wisard on that server and QQs on the waralliance forums about destruct pwning everything with bugs, the maps being broken, mythic handicaping order on purpose, bright wisards being UP.... lol
Your one of the biggest idiots i've seen on those boards, I play a white lion on karak eight peaks and order was kicking desto arse and you know what happened this.
It seems that your ever so skilled destruction friends where jumping off cliffs like lemmings so they could be rezzed for victory points, so don't come here and talkabout something you know nothing about.
This is a funny thread, and I pointed it out to a friend who plays on karak eight peaks and he laughed and told me he knows who the OP gestalt is It's apparently an order player who got pissed off after his warband got wtfpwned repeatedly by destruct and has been emo on forums ever since, Order lost because they didn't even bother to defend their keeps and kept farming scenarios inead He posts dozens of angry posts every day saying he's quitting and rvr is dead, etc because his guild's keep got sacked Apparently he plays a bright wisard on that server and QQs on the waralliance forums about destruct pwning everything with bugs, the maps being broken, mythic handicaping order on purpose, bright wisards being UP.... lol
Looks like someone has been exploiting. Are you one of them?
"Yesterday as many of you may have noticed, we reset the campaign on the Karak Eight peaks server. This is not something we did lightly but it was the only way to resolve the problems of stuck zones that have been widely reported by players there. As a result the tier four zones and keeps have been reset to their default ownership and it is once again possible to fight over and capture zones.
Under most circumstances we would let the normal ingame systems deal with the campaign so as not to provide a nasty surprise for our players, however as we hope you will agree, the situation on this server warranted a more drastic intervention. We have been working with Mythic on this issue to ensure that the root cause is fixed and to prevent further recurrences. We have been monitoring the situation on the server closely and we are happy to report that all campaign systems are working correctly now.
We thank you for your understanding."
Karak Eight peaks is not THE SERVER in warhammer its just a server where people decided to exploit their way into sieging the capital city, im glad you guys are testing this for the rest of us.
It was an exploit its being fixed get over it. from war-europe.com: "Yesterday as many of you may have noticed, we reset the campaign on the Karak Eight peaks server. This is not something we did lightly but it was the only way to resolve the problems of stuck zones that have been widely reported by players there. As a result the tier four zones and keeps have been reset to their default ownership and it is once again possible to fight over and capture zones. Under most circumstances we would let the normal ingame systems deal with the campaign so as not to provide a nasty surprise for our players, however as we hope you will agree, the situation on this server warranted a more drastic intervention. We have been working with Mythic on this issue to ensure that the root cause is fixed and to prevent further recurrences. We have been monitoring the situation on the server closely and we are happy to report that all campaign systems are working correctly now. We thank you for your understanding." Karak Eight peaks is not THE SERVER in warhammer its just a server where people decided to exploit their way into sieging the capital city, im glad you guys are testing this for the rest of us.
This occured after the reset.
KEP is not the only server where Order has been having problems with VP. Not by a long shot.
There are reports that 1.0.3 did not fix all the problems with VP even though it may have fixed the Rez exploit.
No one ever showed nor has Mythic announced that the various zone control problems were solely caused by that exploit.
And if they were wouldn't think that you would see Order magically gaining VP as well?
A couple people posted that exploit and then rushed in and tried to say it caused every problem. I knew about that exploit for weeks. Its been around since Beta. It simply does not explain all the VP problems. They just wished it did.
I'm not sure what all the drama is about. People act as if problems either won't be fixed or won't be fixed for months/years. I can't think of a MMORPG to date that hasn't had issues of one sort or another shortly after release. What gets me is the whole conspiracy attitude as if developers deliberately create or foster class imbalance or deliberately ignore bugs and design flaws. Mythic will balance the classes as needed. They'll address and fix the bugs and flaws. The serious stuff they'll fix sooner rather than later. Not so serious stuff they'll fix when they get to it. Just like it happens with other developers and other games. They are making changes and improvements to the game now and there is no reason to expect that will change.
Sure an they will bann all the exploiters. Never seen them do it. I have personally reported peopel for terrain exploits. Nothing happened.
And they will take back all the high end gear the destruction players have been farming for weeks that Orfder cannot farm. I call BS on that.
And they will somehow magically fix people abandoning Order in droves. When Order goes from 2:1 outnumbers to 4:1 outnumbered there has been almost irreparable damage done to a two faction RvR game.
Again, lots of drama, not real heavy on facts. You have absolutely no evidence to support anything in your reply to me. You have no idea how they will handle the situation if it is determined that a design flaw exists and you cannot support that there are or will be Order players leaving in droves.
You are making these amazing assumptions based on purely subjective observations. It really does baffle me why people identify some problem in the game and then act like it's of apocalyptic importance and that the whole game will collapse.
I can't tell you how many times a problem crops up in a game, people cry out the most dire portents, the devs fix it, then everything goes quiet.
When you can prove to me that Mark Jacobs and Mythic don't really care about the state of the game, are incompetent in their ability to maintain the game or are conspiring to build a complex game that cost millions of dollars to build, only to deliberately sabotage it in order to get a few chuckles from watching you have a stroke over it, then I'll believe the game is doomed.
Until you can do that, spare me the gloom and doom.
get some guilds togethers on a weekend, or on your servers peak hours. Band togethers and attack them back. Whats so hard abou that?
its like you want mythic to come and make it harder for them to beat you down, when you should be making it harder fo them to beat your side down.
and yes they have stated that adding new classes will blance the sides better...my gues is that thtat is why they are wiating on adding them, they are going to tweak them as needed, based on how the game has gone so far. i expect for some seriouly equal balancing comming soon.
you dont like destruction doin this? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! get some guilds togethers on a weekend, or on your servers peak hours. Band togethers and attack them back. Whats so hard abou that? its like you want mythic to come and make it harder for them to beat you down, when you should be making it harder fo them to beat your side down. and yes they have stated that adding new classes will blance the sides better...my gues is that thtat is why they are wiating on adding them, they are going to tweak them as needed, based on how the game has gone so far. i expect for some seriouly equal balancing comming soon.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
you dont like destruction doin this? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! get some guilds togethers on a weekend, or on your servers peak hours. Band togethers and attack them back. Whats so hard abou that? its like you want mythic to come and make it harder for them to beat you down, when you should be making it harder fo them to beat your side down. and yes they have stated that adding new classes will blance the sides better...my gues is that thtat is why they are wiating on adding them, they are going to tweak them as needed, based on how the game has gone so far. i expect for some seriouly equal balancing comming soon.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
I bet you haven't.
How much opposition did Order meet when securing those objectives? If you take an objective without any opposition showing up to defend it, its worth a considerable amount less than one with a handful of defenders. The WAR is advanced through opposition, simply ninjaing the BOs and Keeps won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying thats what happened, just pointing out that you have to fight to earn VPs....now.
you dont like destruction doin this? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! get some guilds togethers on a weekend, or on your servers peak hours. Band togethers and attack them back. Whats so hard abou that? its like you want mythic to come and make it harder for them to beat you down, when you should be making it harder fo them to beat your side down. and yes they have stated that adding new classes will blance the sides better...my gues is that thtat is why they are wiating on adding them, they are going to tweak them as needed, based on how the game has gone so far. i expect for some seriouly equal balancing comming soon.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
I bet you haven't.
How much opposition did Order meet when securing those objectives? If you take an objective without any opposition showing up to defend it, its worth a considerable amount less than one with a handful of defenders. The WAR is advanced through opposition, simply ninjaing the BOs and Keeps won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying thats what happened, just pointing out that you have to fight to earn VPs....now.
Oh really? And how do you know this? Care to post the formula and relative contributions for each area?
I would also like to know just how much does PvE contribute to VP? According to some running PQs in the zone contributes to this supposedly PvP focused game ...
The only thing we know is kills can give VP and that VPs are relative. If you know more than that please enlighten us.
And by the way Altdorf was semi-ninjaed successfully in Averhiem by a large Destruction guild alliance who met almost no opposition. They started at 7am and had Altdorf by 11 am and locked Altdorf by noon.
They had non significant opposition until they had beaten the fortress and the Altdorf PQ instances had started up for the sacking event.
So you will have to forgive my skepticism, since history seems to cast some doubt on your information.
you dont like destruction doin this? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! get some guilds togethers on a weekend, or on your servers peak hours. Band togethers and attack them back. Whats so hard abou that? its like you want mythic to come and make it harder for them to beat you down, when you should be making it harder fo them to beat your side down. and yes they have stated that adding new classes will blance the sides better...my gues is that thtat is why they are wiating on adding them, they are going to tweak them as needed, based on how the game has gone so far. i expect for some seriouly equal balancing comming soon.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
I bet you haven't.
How much opposition did Order meet when securing those objectives? If you take an objective without any opposition showing up to defend it, its worth a considerable amount less than one with a handful of defenders. The WAR is advanced through opposition, simply ninjaing the BOs and Keeps won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying thats what happened, just pointing out that you have to fight to earn VPs....now.
Oh really? And how do you know this? Care to post the formula and relative contributions for each area?
I would also like to know just how much does PvE contribute to VP? According to some running PQs in the zone contributes to this supposedly PvP focused game ...
The only thing we know is kills can give VP and that VPs are relative. If you know more than that please enlighten us.
And by the way Altdorf was semi-ninjaed successfully in Averhiem by a large Destruction guild alliance who met almost no opposition. They started at 7am and had Altdorf by 11 am and locked Altdorf by noon.
They had non significant opposition until they had beaten the fortress and the Altdorf PQ instances had started up for the sacking event.
So you will have to forgive my skepticism, since history seems to cast some doubt on your information.
Victory Points awarded based on Quest Completition, Open Field RvR, Scenarios, and PQs. Each of these items is capped by the overall amount of PQ it can provide. For example Scenario's may only grant lets say 15% of the VP needed to capture a zone. You can win 10 Scenarios or 1000, once you hit the cap of VP for that specific item it no longer matters. All of the items work this way. I don't know the specific numbers nor does anyone outside of Mythic I imagine, but I do no that VPs gained in Open Field RvR have the highest cap and count for the most.
As for gaining more VP when an objective is contested, like the information above I can't site a source but I have seen this happen first hand. I won't sit here and pretend nothing is happening, but I do think allot of what is happening is less related to a feature being broken and more to do with a select few using their aquired knowledge of how things work to exploit it to its full potential. But until official word comes down the line I will wait and see.
you dont like destruction doin this? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! get some guilds togethers on a weekend, or on your servers peak hours. Band togethers and attack them back. Whats so hard abou that? its like you want mythic to come and make it harder for them to beat you down, when you should be making it harder fo them to beat your side down. and yes they have stated that adding new classes will blance the sides better...my gues is that thtat is why they are wiating on adding them, they are going to tweak them as needed, based on how the game has gone so far. i expect for some seriouly equal balancing comming soon.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
I bet you haven't.
How much opposition did Order meet when securing those objectives? If you take an objective without any opposition showing up to defend it, its worth a considerable amount less than one with a handful of defenders. The WAR is advanced through opposition, simply ninjaing the BOs and Keeps won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying thats what happened, just pointing out that you have to fight to earn VPs....now.
Oh really? And how do you know this? Care to post the formula and relative contributions for each area?
I would also like to know just how much does PvE contribute to VP? According to some running PQs in the zone contributes to this supposedly PvP focused game ...
The only thing we know is kills can give VP and that VPs are relative. If you know more than that please enlighten us.
And by the way Altdorf was semi-ninjaed successfully in Averhiem by a large Destruction guild alliance who met almost no opposition. They started at 7am and had Altdorf by 11 am and locked Altdorf by noon.
They had non significant opposition until they had beaten the fortress and the Altdorf PQ instances had started up for the sacking event.
So you will have to forgive my skepticism, since history seems to cast some doubt on your information.
Victory Points awarded based on Quest Completition, Open Field RvR, Scenarios, and PQs. Each of these items is capped by the overall amount of PQ it can provide. For example Scenario's may only grant lets say 15% of the VP needed to capture a zone. You can win 10 Scenarios or 1000, once you hit the cap of VP for that specific item it no longer matters. All of the items work this way. I don't know the specific numbers nor does anyone outside of Mythic I imagine, but I do no that VPs gained in Open Field RvR have the highest cap and count for the most.
As for gaining more VP when an objective is contested, like the information above I can't site a source but I have seen this happen first hand. I won't sit here and pretend nothing is happening, but I do think allot of what is happening is less related to a feature being broken and more to do with a select few using their aquired knowledge of how things work to exploit it to its full potential. But until official word comes down the line I will wait and see.
How do you know each is capped? I have specifically seen a Closed Beta Tester who claims neither Scenarios nor PQ contributions are capped.
And how do you know that skirmish kills have the highest cap? Tons of people have asked in multiple places across multiple forums and no one has gotten answers like these from anyone.
So how are you getting this? Your own testing?
In addition you did not mention contribution from lower tiers. Some people have claimed that is as much as 25% of zone control in T4. The alliance who locked Altdorf on Averhiem claimed this was so and purposely set up T3 warbands on alts to lock the T4 zones.
I would sure like to know what the PvE contributions are because frankly I don't want to play an RvR game with a large PvE contribution. Unfortunately Mythic has denied me the ability to make that choice with good information.
But as it stands now. I really don't think any of this means jack. The zone control behavior is not consistent. I don't think the supposed caps or contributions means jack at this point. I think it is plain bugged.
you dont like destruction doin this? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! get some guilds togethers on a weekend, or on your servers peak hours. Band togethers and attack them back. Whats so hard abou that? its like you want mythic to come and make it harder for them to beat you down, when you should be making it harder fo them to beat your side down. and yes they have stated that adding new classes will blance the sides better...my gues is that thtat is why they are wiating on adding them, they are going to tweak them as needed, based on how the game has gone so far. i expect for some seriouly equal balancing comming soon.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
I bet you haven't.
How much opposition did Order meet when securing those objectives? If you take an objective without any opposition showing up to defend it, its worth a considerable amount less than one with a handful of defenders. The WAR is advanced through opposition, simply ninjaing the BOs and Keeps won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying thats what happened, just pointing out that you have to fight to earn VPs....now.
Oh really? And how do you know this? Care to post the formula and relative contributions for each area?
I would also like to know just how much does PvE contribute to VP? According to some running PQs in the zone contributes to this supposedly PvP focused game ...
The only thing we know is kills can give VP and that VPs are relative. If you know more than that please enlighten us.
And by the way Altdorf was semi-ninjaed successfully in Averhiem by a large Destruction guild alliance who met almost no opposition. They started at 7am and had Altdorf by 11 am and locked Altdorf by noon.
They had non significant opposition until they had beaten the fortress and the Altdorf PQ instances had started up for the sacking event.
So you will have to forgive my skepticism, since history seems to cast some doubt on your information.
Victory Points awarded based on Quest Completition, Open Field RvR, Scenarios, and PQs. Each of these items is capped by the overall amount of PQ it can provide. For example Scenario's may only grant lets say 15% of the VP needed to capture a zone. You can win 10 Scenarios or 1000, once you hit the cap of VP for that specific item it no longer matters. All of the items work this way. I don't know the specific numbers nor does anyone outside of Mythic I imagine, but I do no that VPs gained in Open Field RvR have the highest cap and count for the most.
As for gaining more VP when an objective is contested, like the information above I can't site a source but I have seen this happen first hand. I won't sit here and pretend nothing is happening, but I do think allot of what is happening is less related to a feature being broken and more to do with a select few using their aquired knowledge of how things work to exploit it to its full potential. But until official word comes down the line I will wait and see.
How do you know each is capped? I have specifically seen a Closed Beta Tester who claims neither Scenarios nor PQ contributions are capped.
And how do you know that skirmish kills have the highest cap? Tons of people have asked in multiple places across multiple forums and no one has gotten answers like these from anyone.
So how are you getting this? Your own testing?
In addition you did not mention contribution from lower tiers. Some people have claimed that is as much as 25% of zone control in T4. The alliance who locked Altdorf on Averhiem claimed this was so and purposely set up T3 warbands on alts to lock the T4 zones.
I would sure like to know what the PvE contributions are because frankly I don't want to play an RvR game with a large PvE contribution. Unfortunately Mythic has denied me the ability to make that choice with good information.
But as it stands now. I really don't think any of this means jack. The zone control behavior is not consistent. I don't think the supposed caps or contributions means jack at this point. I think it is plain bugged.
Most closed testers who bothered to submit feedback via the forums and in game know this type of information. It has changed as at one time in early beta you could lock a zone by purely winning at scenarios. It had to be tweaked and scenario's were reduced in importance as another way to get people to help out in open world RvR. Quests and PQs is mostly common knowledge as Mythic wanted a way for everybody even those who normally chose to avoid PvP to help their realm. This was done to encourage grouping to tackle PQs and the harder quests.
Lower Tier Control does help in capturing Tier 4. But overall it just gives a bonus to the overall VP. If you need 10000 to control a zone, previous zones would give you somthing like 100 a Tier. But only for that pairing.
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This is a funny thread, and I pointed it out to a friend who plays on karak eight peaks and he laughed and told me he knows who the OP gestalt is
It's apparently an order player who got pissed off after his warband got wtfpwned repeatedly by destruct and has been emo on forums ever since, Order lost because they didn't even bother to defend their keeps and kept farming scenarios inead
He posts dozens of angry posts every day saying he's quitting and rvr is dead, etc because his guild's keep got sacked
Apparently he plays a bright wisard on that server and QQs on the waralliance forums about destruct pwning everything with bugs, the maps being broken, mythic handicaping order on purpose, bright wisards being UP.... lol
I do not play on Karak Eight Peaks. I already said that here. I am not even European. Jeez. Nor do I play a bright wizard.
If you weren't anything other than a horribly failed amateur detective you would know from just these boards that I play a Swordmaster on a low population US server. And a few other alts on some high pop servers.
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Oh right there is some guy with the screen name (Gestalt, not gestalt11) I saw posting on VNboard i think. Wahtever if you are blind enough to not see just how big of a problem this is for ALL serves no matter who I am then you need help.
I do not post on Warhammer alliance or VNboard with this screen name. Nice try with the pathetic Ad Hominen though. Once again the last resort of the intellectually bankrupt. Seems to be a lot of those on the VNboards especially.
Your one of the biggest idiots i've seen on those boards, I play a white lion on karak eight peaks and order was kicking desto arse and you know what happened this.
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It seems that your ever so skilled destruction friends where jumping off cliffs like lemmings so they could be rezzed for victory points, so don't come here and talkabout something you know nothing about.
Looks like someone has been exploiting. Are you one of them?
It was an exploit its being fixed get over it.
from war-europe.com:
"Yesterday as many of you may have noticed, we reset the campaign on the Karak Eight peaks server. This is not something we did lightly but it was the only way to resolve the problems of stuck zones that have been widely reported by players there. As a result the tier four zones and keeps have been reset to their default ownership and it is once again possible to fight over and capture zones.
Under most circumstances we would let the normal ingame systems deal with the campaign so as not to provide a nasty surprise for our players, however as we hope you will agree, the situation on this server warranted a more drastic intervention. We have been working with Mythic on this issue to ensure that the root cause is fixed and to prevent further recurrences. We have been monitoring the situation on the server closely and we are happy to report that all campaign systems are working correctly now.
We thank you for your understanding."
Karak Eight peaks is not THE SERVER in warhammer its just a server where people decided to exploit their way into sieging the capital city, im glad you guys are testing this for the rest of us.
This occured after the reset.
KEP is not the only server where Order has been having problems with VP. Not by a long shot.
There are reports that 1.0.3 did not fix all the problems with VP even though it may have fixed the Rez exploit.
No one ever showed nor has Mythic announced that the various zone control problems were solely caused by that exploit.
And if they were wouldn't think that you would see Order magically gaining VP as well?
A couple people posted that exploit and then rushed in and tried to say it caused every problem. I knew about that exploit for weeks. Its been around since Beta. It simply does not explain all the VP problems. They just wished it did.
Sure an they will bann all the exploiters. Never seen them do it. I have personally reported peopel for terrain exploits. Nothing happened.
And they will take back all the high end gear the destruction players have been farming for weeks that Orfder cannot farm. I call BS on that.
And they will somehow magically fix people abandoning Order in droves. When Order goes from 2:1 outnumbers to 4:1 outnumbered there has been almost irreparable damage done to a two faction RvR game.
Again, lots of drama, not real heavy on facts. You have absolutely no evidence to support anything in your reply to me. You have no idea how they will handle the situation if it is determined that a design flaw exists and you cannot support that there are or will be Order players leaving in droves.
You are making these amazing assumptions based on purely subjective observations. It really does baffle me why people identify some problem in the game and then act like it's of apocalyptic importance and that the whole game will collapse.
I can't tell you how many times a problem crops up in a game, people cry out the most dire portents, the devs fix it, then everything goes quiet.
When you can prove to me that Mark Jacobs and Mythic don't really care about the state of the game, are incompetent in their ability to maintain the game or are conspiring to build a complex game that cost millions of dollars to build, only to deliberately sabotage it in order to get a few chuckles from watching you have a stroke over it, then I'll believe the game is doomed.
Until you can do that, spare me the gloom and doom.
you dont like destruction doin this?
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
get some guilds togethers on a weekend, or on your servers peak hours. Band togethers and attack them back. Whats so hard abou that?
its like you want mythic to come and make it harder for them to beat you down, when you should be making it harder fo them to beat your side down.
and yes they have stated that adding new classes will blance the sides better...my gues is that thtat is why they are wiating on adding them, they are going to tweak them as needed, based on how the game has gone so far. i expect for some seriouly equal balancing comming soon.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
I bet you haven't.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
I bet you haven't.
How much opposition did Order meet when securing those objectives? If you take an objective without any opposition showing up to defend it, its worth a considerable amount less than one with a handful of defenders. The WAR is advanced through opposition, simply ninjaing the BOs and Keeps won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying thats what happened, just pointing out that you have to fight to earn VPs....now.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
I bet you haven't.
How much opposition did Order meet when securing those objectives? If you take an objective without any opposition showing up to defend it, its worth a considerable amount less than one with a handful of defenders. The WAR is advanced through opposition, simply ninjaing the BOs and Keeps won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying thats what happened, just pointing out that you have to fight to earn VPs....now.
Oh really? And how do you know this? Care to post the formula and relative contributions for each area?
I would also like to know just how much does PvE contribute to VP? According to some running PQs in the zone contributes to this supposedly PvP focused game ...
The only thing we know is kills can give VP and that VPs are relative. If you know more than that please enlighten us.
And by the way Altdorf was semi-ninjaed successfully in Averhiem by a large Destruction guild alliance who met almost no opposition. They started at 7am and had Altdorf by 11 am and locked Altdorf by noon.
They had non significant opposition until they had beaten the fortress and the Altdorf PQ instances had started up for the sacking event.
So you will have to forgive my skepticism, since history seems to cast some doubt on your information.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
I bet you haven't.
How much opposition did Order meet when securing those objectives? If you take an objective without any opposition showing up to defend it, its worth a considerable amount less than one with a handful of defenders. The WAR is advanced through opposition, simply ninjaing the BOs and Keeps won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying thats what happened, just pointing out that you have to fight to earn VPs....now.
Oh really? And how do you know this? Care to post the formula and relative contributions for each area?
I would also like to know just how much does PvE contribute to VP? According to some running PQs in the zone contributes to this supposedly PvP focused game ...
The only thing we know is kills can give VP and that VPs are relative. If you know more than that please enlighten us.
And by the way Altdorf was semi-ninjaed successfully in Averhiem by a large Destruction guild alliance who met almost no opposition. They started at 7am and had Altdorf by 11 am and locked Altdorf by noon.
They had non significant opposition until they had beaten the fortress and the Altdorf PQ instances had started up for the sacking event.
So you will have to forgive my skepticism, since history seems to cast some doubt on your information.
Victory Points awarded based on Quest Completition, Open Field RvR, Scenarios, and PQs. Each of these items is capped by the overall amount of PQ it can provide. For example Scenario's may only grant lets say 15% of the VP needed to capture a zone. You can win 10 Scenarios or 1000, once you hit the cap of VP for that specific item it no longer matters. All of the items work this way. I don't know the specific numbers nor does anyone outside of Mythic I imagine, but I do no that VPs gained in Open Field RvR have the highest cap and count for the most.
As for gaining more VP when an objective is contested, like the information above I can't site a source but I have seen this happen first hand. I won't sit here and pretend nothing is happening, but I do think allot of what is happening is less related to a feature being broken and more to do with a select few using their aquired knowledge of how things work to exploit it to its full potential. But until official word comes down the line I will wait and see.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
I bet you haven't.
How much opposition did Order meet when securing those objectives? If you take an objective without any opposition showing up to defend it, its worth a considerable amount less than one with a handful of defenders. The WAR is advanced through opposition, simply ninjaing the BOs and Keeps won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying thats what happened, just pointing out that you have to fight to earn VPs....now.
Oh really? And how do you know this? Care to post the formula and relative contributions for each area?
I would also like to know just how much does PvE contribute to VP? According to some running PQs in the zone contributes to this supposedly PvP focused game ...
The only thing we know is kills can give VP and that VPs are relative. If you know more than that please enlighten us.
And by the way Altdorf was semi-ninjaed successfully in Averhiem by a large Destruction guild alliance who met almost no opposition. They started at 7am and had Altdorf by 11 am and locked Altdorf by noon.
They had non significant opposition until they had beaten the fortress and the Altdorf PQ instances had started up for the sacking event.
So you will have to forgive my skepticism, since history seems to cast some doubt on your information.
Victory Points awarded based on Quest Completition, Open Field RvR, Scenarios, and PQs. Each of these items is capped by the overall amount of PQ it can provide. For example Scenario's may only grant lets say 15% of the VP needed to capture a zone. You can win 10 Scenarios or 1000, once you hit the cap of VP for that specific item it no longer matters. All of the items work this way. I don't know the specific numbers nor does anyone outside of Mythic I imagine, but I do no that VPs gained in Open Field RvR have the highest cap and count for the most.
As for gaining more VP when an objective is contested, like the information above I can't site a source but I have seen this happen first hand. I won't sit here and pretend nothing is happening, but I do think allot of what is happening is less related to a feature being broken and more to do with a select few using their aquired knowledge of how things work to exploit it to its full potential. But until official word comes down the line I will wait and see.
How do you know each is capped? I have specifically seen a Closed Beta Tester who claims neither Scenarios nor PQ contributions are capped.
And how do you know that skirmish kills have the highest cap? Tons of people have asked in multiple places across multiple forums and no one has gotten answers like these from anyone.
So how are you getting this? Your own testing?
In addition you did not mention contribution from lower tiers. Some people have claimed that is as much as 25% of zone control in T4. The alliance who locked Altdorf on Averhiem claimed this was so and purposely set up T3 warbands on alts to lock the T4 zones.
I would sure like to know what the PvE contributions are because frankly I don't want to play an RvR game with a large PvE contribution. Unfortunately Mythic has denied me the ability to make that choice with good information.
But as it stands now. I really don't think any of this means jack. The zone control behavior is not consistent. I don't think the supposed caps or contributions means jack at this point. I think it is plain bugged.
What more could Order have done? They held ALL POINTS in praag for SIX HOURS.
You realize they cannot attack the next zone without locking down a neutral zone like Praag right?
How do you attack them back when you can't advance the campaign?
Do you really think holding every single point on a server you are outnumbered on in a T4 zone for SIX HOURS straight = Order slacking?
By the time Altdrof was besiged for its 3rd time in a week many Order people had simply logged off in frustration.
Who can blame them when a zone gets locked down for Destruction when Destruction own one BFO.
You can't really believe you could do better? Have you and your guild alliance ever held every point in any T4 zone for more than six hours?
I bet you haven't.
How much opposition did Order meet when securing those objectives? If you take an objective without any opposition showing up to defend it, its worth a considerable amount less than one with a handful of defenders. The WAR is advanced through opposition, simply ninjaing the BOs and Keeps won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying thats what happened, just pointing out that you have to fight to earn VPs....now.
Oh really? And how do you know this? Care to post the formula and relative contributions for each area?
I would also like to know just how much does PvE contribute to VP? According to some running PQs in the zone contributes to this supposedly PvP focused game ...
The only thing we know is kills can give VP and that VPs are relative. If you know more than that please enlighten us.
And by the way Altdorf was semi-ninjaed successfully in Averhiem by a large Destruction guild alliance who met almost no opposition. They started at 7am and had Altdorf by 11 am and locked Altdorf by noon.
They had non significant opposition until they had beaten the fortress and the Altdorf PQ instances had started up for the sacking event.
So you will have to forgive my skepticism, since history seems to cast some doubt on your information.
Victory Points awarded based on Quest Completition, Open Field RvR, Scenarios, and PQs. Each of these items is capped by the overall amount of PQ it can provide. For example Scenario's may only grant lets say 15% of the VP needed to capture a zone. You can win 10 Scenarios or 1000, once you hit the cap of VP for that specific item it no longer matters. All of the items work this way. I don't know the specific numbers nor does anyone outside of Mythic I imagine, but I do no that VPs gained in Open Field RvR have the highest cap and count for the most.
As for gaining more VP when an objective is contested, like the information above I can't site a source but I have seen this happen first hand. I won't sit here and pretend nothing is happening, but I do think allot of what is happening is less related to a feature being broken and more to do with a select few using their aquired knowledge of how things work to exploit it to its full potential. But until official word comes down the line I will wait and see.
How do you know each is capped? I have specifically seen a Closed Beta Tester who claims neither Scenarios nor PQ contributions are capped.
And how do you know that skirmish kills have the highest cap? Tons of people have asked in multiple places across multiple forums and no one has gotten answers like these from anyone.
So how are you getting this? Your own testing?
In addition you did not mention contribution from lower tiers. Some people have claimed that is as much as 25% of zone control in T4. The alliance who locked Altdorf on Averhiem claimed this was so and purposely set up T3 warbands on alts to lock the T4 zones.
I would sure like to know what the PvE contributions are because frankly I don't want to play an RvR game with a large PvE contribution. Unfortunately Mythic has denied me the ability to make that choice with good information.
But as it stands now. I really don't think any of this means jack. The zone control behavior is not consistent. I don't think the supposed caps or contributions means jack at this point. I think it is plain bugged.
Most closed testers who bothered to submit feedback via the forums and in game know this type of information. It has changed as at one time in early beta you could lock a zone by purely winning at scenarios. It had to be tweaked and scenario's were reduced in importance as another way to get people to help out in open world RvR. Quests and PQs is mostly common knowledge as Mythic wanted a way for everybody even those who normally chose to avoid PvP to help their realm. This was done to encourage grouping to tackle PQs and the harder quests.
Lower Tier Control does help in capturing Tier 4. But overall it just gives a bonus to the overall VP. If you need 10000 to control a zone, previous zones would give you somthing like 100 a Tier. But only for that pairing.
What he said
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the post before me that is
Originally posted by GTwander:
How are you an MMO? Or any of us for that matter?
I say we strike all users from the site for not being MMOs.