Is it possible for a level 29 dwarf tank to crit you for 1200? Sure it could be. and the reason I say this is because I have had a level 21 sorc crit me for 1000 damage. in fact my level 15 Shadow warrior as crit for 800-900 before. It was easy, just used Acid arrow then used eagle eye(also had rank 2 morale which increases damage by 100% for 10 seconds on), my white damage was doing 400-600. So im really not surprised that a tank can eventually dish out that much. In fact alot of chosen running around with 2 handers do rediculous amounts of damage.
Hold the phone..
a DPS class is hitting as hard as a tank?? .. Do you not see the problem here??
No I dont. because a dps class at 30 which is around the same level that tank is, is going to do more damage then a 1 person nuke crit. if a Sorc can crit me for 1k at 21 at 29 almost 10 levels higher that damage is going to be much higher isnt it? if my lvl 15 SW can crit for 900, at 30 I can prob crit 1700 or more. Besides the OP more then likely had an armor debuff on...90% of the time when you want to kill a tank you always want some sort of armor debuff to get in the extra damage. Lets not forget that the OP has not mentioned yet if he was wearing a shield or a 2 hander. Because certain abilities are granted for those wearing shields which increase armor and defense. There are many variables here to look at. You cant just show a screen shot of a tank doing 1200 and automatically assume its broken. I mean it could be but given all the classes ive played (including chosen and BO) the damage seems correct. especially if they are using a 2 hander.
In the end a patch is comming out to address the issue if indeed it is one. But I have to call Shennanigans untill you guys can give me the debuffs/buffs of all the players involved. Im not saying it to be a jerk, but in all honesty to be sure if this is a bug, or just some good pvping.
(*) I just want to note that in tier 2 my SW does 30-40k damage with lvl 15 skills. in Tier 2 i have seen a sorc/BW do over 66k damage. You cannot possibly tell me that 4 BW (unless they suck completely) couldnt break 45k in tier 3. Even on a bad night I cant even see that happening (unless they joined late)
Guess you didn't see the screen shot with the BW's..
And at 21.. a sorcerer isn't consitently critting for 1k. Oh.. and did you know they are wearing a wet napkin for armor? Oh?? Right..
I saw the screen shot of the BW's, and im telling you that BW's generally do way more then that in your average Scenario. and a 21 sorcerer can crit constantly for 1k..its very easy...im not going to discuss this with you random because you tend to be condensending which is very annoying (I will however explain this once). If I hop on my BW and i build up his combustion..lets say using is pbaoe to 100% combustion. I am going to have a 100% damage increase with a 50% chance to crit and a 50% chance to backlash. If I was 21 and built up my combustion i would have a 50% chance to crit you for 1K and thats not including if I had modifiers to my stats like a hell of alot of INT to do even more damage. My point is..a well speced good player with good gear that knows how to play their class, will hand you yours in a battle. I dont expect you to understand everything I am saying because aparantly your more interested in screen shots and not how that 1200 landed.
If I take a screen shot of a Healer criting for 900 off a spell at 30 would you find that odd? Would you imeediately say its broken? What if there is a way that healer could pull it off, if the situation was right? Dont be so fast to discredit everything you dont know based on a few pictures.
One: I play a sorcerer.. and I'm 23.. and I run 100 DM.. and I don't consitently hit for 1k at 23.
And two.. if the BW are hitting so hard.. then why aren't they showing there? At least better than what is being shown.
Again.. it's an order player saying that one of their classes isn't over powered.. I'm not surprised.
I'd drop to your level and insult you, but I don't see the point of being banned again.. for teling people like it is..
Well, I play a Witchunter as my main and I have been knocked into the lava a bunch of time by ranged knockback and Melee knock back from destruction. Both sides have it. The funny thing about that talk is 90% of it surrounds 1 scenario where that makes a huge difference.
This has got to take the cake. A destro tank complaining about order being overpowered.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I do that much damage on a normal fireball, it all depends on what level the other player is compared to you. If you are a couple levels lower than them then they do more damage. At level 25 I consistantly do 50k+ per scenario, but I also have 5 to 10 deaths. There's two sides to everything. Quit whining, that just makes you look like a n00b. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Get used to it.
I play the Ironbreaker. Ironbreakers have faults as well. It is true I always out dps the bright wizard and it is typically true I hold the highest kill rate in most scenarios I play. The dps is not the leading factor to my kills however. It is the fact that I wear 3 times the armor of a BW and are always in the front lines. I am always in the face of the enemy and I play smart switching targets on the fly to hit any wounded destruction player I see close to death with my 2 bleed axe attacks which ALWAYS finish the job. If I am not playing cleanup then I am running down Zealots or Shamans. 2 Shotting annoying Sorcs that get in the way. *Side note to sorcs and magus - NEVER try and freeze/snare an Ironbreaker your just gonna piss them off and they will break it with juggernaut anyway and come beat your face in. Better to just let them slip by on their way to the healer since you are only #2 on their kill list and live a little longer. That or you could just keep trying to freeze them and gain their attention and eat some dirt. Up to you. Ok back to the topic at hand. I play Vengence line which is more of a 2hander STR based dps line. Going this route really dampens my armor and block because of loss of shield. Which means I die faster than the Stone line counterparts.
Ironbreakers go like this, you can toss your shield and do a shit ton of damage fast and die a lot. OR Keep your shield and do minimal damage and block for order holding the line and playing protector. Either of these come at a cost. You can't have it all and you have to give up 1 or the other. DPS or Supeior Armor.... you have to choose.
This post proves the whole point of this thread. Ironbreakers at the moment are overpowered, not grossly, but they are. Hard to kill, dish out ridiculous amounts of damage to casters and have knock/snare/slow abilities that make you bite your keyboard. Additionally, most to all destro classes complain about Ironbreakers, sorcs, healers, witchelfs, chosen... this only ADDs credibility to the claim.
This guy above says he two-shots sorcs and reaps healers while finishing low-health destro players. And it IS true, Ironbreakers go beserk within caster lines most of the time and are incredibly hard to kill.
Why is this? - Because it was the only true order tank class left after the class cut so they needed to make this class attractive; plus barnett said once that they don't want tank classes to only tank and be dps-gimped, so that's the IB, a heavy armored upper third damage machine. That's just my guess but it makes sense. He'll eventually get the nerfbat though, I take any bet...
Im in tier 4 and I've seen chosen do over 100k dps in a sc. I have never seen an ironbreaker come anywhere near that. Please stop your crying because a lil guy with a beard pwned you.
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Well, just battled it out in open RvR with my 20 Warrior Priest vs. 21 Chosen. After about 5-6 encounters, he managed to outdamage my healing powers while barely taking any damage himself. In all honesty, the battles maybe lasted about 2 minutes each. It took him about 30 seconds to get me to half health and after that I was struggling to heal and unable to return damage. So, Iron Breakers get an AoE knock back, yada yada. This is not a make or break factor and does not mean Chosen are gimp compared to Iron Breakers. Cause at 21, if a Chosen can crit 50-70% of his attacks, thats impressive. Considering he was doing 130-250 damage per attack. So maybe Chosen crit more often than Iron Breakers, ever think about that?
This is a pretty stupid argument as critchance is not determined by the one who dishes out but by the one who receives damage. Shows that you didn't even bother to work through the attributes before posting some crap about "the chosen's critchance"
Unless you can show that IB's are criting 1200 on a regular basis, I would call it a lucky shot....
Right now my lvl 31 IB hits on average around 220 damage per shot, but I'm spec'ed for DPS and use a Great Axe, I also use a tome that gives me 15% additional damage at the expense of 33% armor reduction... So I don't last as long as someone who is spec'ed for survivability..
Also, Im sick of everyone crying about IB's knockback, at least after you've been knocked back, you become immune for around 20 seconds (not sure of the length), i've been spamed rooted by destruction players because after someone roots me I don't become immune and the next guy can just root me right away... now thats annoying...
Tor Anroc is horrible, i dont even cue up for it anymore. yes i am destruction, and all the order do is knock you back in the lava. they really need to do something about it.
Hey, its the only reason I do this friggin scenario! I dont care if Order wins or not, I always come there to enjoy seeing Destros fly into the lava, lol. Thats really always saving my day! Has something Monty-Pythonesque.
I play the Ironbreaker. Ironbreakers have faults as well. It is true I always out dps the bright wizard and it is typically true I hold the highest kill rate in most scenarios I play. The dps is not the leading factor to my kills however. It is the fact that I wear 3 times the armor of a BW and are always in the front lines. I am always in the face of the enemy and I play smart switching targets on the fly to hit any wounded destruction player I see close to death with my 2 bleed axe attacks which ALWAYS finish the job. If I am not playing cleanup then I am running down Zealots or Shamans. 2 Shotting annoying Sorcs that get in the way. *Side note to sorcs and magus - NEVER try and freeze/snare an Ironbreaker your just gonna piss them off and they will break it with juggernaut anyway and come beat your face in. Better to just let them slip by on their way to the healer since you are only #2 on their kill list and live a little longer. That or you could just keep trying to freeze them and gain their attention and eat some dirt. Up to you. Ok back to the topic at hand. I play Vengence line which is more of a 2hander STR based dps line. Going this route really dampens my armor and block because of loss of shield. Which means I die faster than the Stone line counterparts.
Ironbreakers go like this, you can toss your shield and do a shit ton of damage fast and die a lot. OR Keep your shield and do minimal damage and block for order holding the line and playing protector. Either of these come at a cost. You can't have it all and you have to give up 1 or the other. DPS or Supeior Armor.... you have to choose.
Ok, this made me kinda pissed, if this is true. I mean I play order too, but why did I chose BW if you do the same dmg with much more armor, can you explain me??
I play the Ironbreaker. Ironbreakers have faults as well. It is true I always out dps the bright wizard and it is typically true I hold the highest kill rate in most scenarios I play. The dps is not the leading factor to my kills however. It is the fact that I wear 3 times the armor of a BW and are always in the front lines. I am always in the face of the enemy and I play smart switching targets on the fly to hit any wounded destruction player I see close to death with my 2 bleed axe attacks which ALWAYS finish the job. If I am not playing cleanup then I am running down Zealots or Shamans. 2 Shotting annoying Sorcs that get in the way. *Side note to sorcs and magus - NEVER try and freeze/snare an Ironbreaker your just gonna piss them off and they will break it with juggernaut anyway and come beat your face in. Better to just let them slip by on their way to the healer since you are only #2 on their kill list and live a little longer. That or you could just keep trying to freeze them and gain their attention and eat some dirt. Up to you. Ok back to the topic at hand. I play Vengence line which is more of a 2hander STR based dps line. Going this route really dampens my armor and block because of loss of shield. Which means I die faster than the Stone line counterparts.
Ironbreakers go like this, you can toss your shield and do a shit ton of damage fast and die a lot. OR Keep your shield and do minimal damage and block for order holding the line and playing protector. Either of these come at a cost. You can't have it all and you have to give up 1 or the other. DPS or Supeior Armor.... you have to choose.
Ok, this made me kinda pissed, if this is true. I mean I play order too, but why did I chose BW if you do the same dmg with much more armor, can you explain me??
Honestly, I do not know why BW play BW. I guess just to be like all the other 89234718957210896532780 BW's we have as order.
Did you wanna be a hero?
Did you wanna be joe cool cause you thought you would be 1 shot fireballing every destro player you see?
Beats the hell out of me why you play a BW. You couldn't pay me to play one.
I see how easy I kill a Sorc. I see how easy Chosen and Black Orcs kill a BW, why the hell would you wanna be one?
Don't tell me you haven't seen an IB at the top of your scenario list. If so I would leave your server. There is ALWAYS a IB at the top of ours. No matter what level you are. IB's who know how to play, and spec the DPS line can crank out some SERIOUS dps, with or without a healer, though your gonna live a lot longer if you have one.
You wanna play the IB, send me a PM move to my server and we get you caught up quick.
My guild is all dwarves, nothing but IB's Engineer's and Rune Priest, best of all worlds for order, we got the tank, the range dps/cc and the pure healer. We use them all to the fullest advantage possible. We make destructions life miserable. It's a hell of a lot of fun!
Seriously though, I don't know why you chose BW they have really good DPS but are so limited by survivabilty and range. You just sit back toss some fire and try not to get hit. How fun is that?
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Hold the phone..
a DPS class is hitting as hard as a tank?? .. Do you not see the problem here??
No I dont. because a dps class at 30 which is around the same level that tank is, is going to do more damage then a 1 person nuke crit. if a Sorc can crit me for 1k at 21 at 29 almost 10 levels higher that damage is going to be much higher isnt it? if my lvl 15 SW can crit for 900, at 30 I can prob crit 1700 or more. Besides the OP more then likely had an armor debuff on...90% of the time when you want to kill a tank you always want some sort of armor debuff to get in the extra damage. Lets not forget that the OP has not mentioned yet if he was wearing a shield or a 2 hander. Because certain abilities are granted for those wearing shields which increase armor and defense. There are many variables here to look at. You cant just show a screen shot of a tank doing 1200 and automatically assume its broken. I mean it could be but given all the classes ive played (including chosen and BO) the damage seems correct. especially if they are using a 2 hander.
In the end a patch is comming out to address the issue if indeed it is one. But I have to call Shennanigans untill you guys can give me the debuffs/buffs of all the players involved. Im not saying it to be a jerk, but in all honesty to be sure if this is a bug, or just some good pvping.
(*) I just want to note that in tier 2 my SW does 30-40k damage with lvl 15 skills. in Tier 2 i have seen a sorc/BW do over 66k damage. You cannot possibly tell me that 4 BW (unless they suck completely) couldnt break 45k in tier 3. Even on a bad night I cant even see that happening (unless they joined late)
Guess you didn't see the screen shot with the BW's..
And at 21.. a sorcerer isn't consitently critting for 1k. Oh.. and did you know they are wearing a wet napkin for armor? Oh?? Right..
I saw the screen shot of the BW's, and im telling you that BW's generally do way more then that in your average Scenario. and a 21 sorcerer can crit constantly for 1k..its very easy...im not going to discuss this with you random because you tend to be condensending which is very annoying (I will however explain this once). If I hop on my BW and i build up his combustion..lets say using is pbaoe to 100% combustion. I am going to have a 100% damage increase with a 50% chance to crit and a 50% chance to backlash. If I was 21 and built up my combustion i would have a 50% chance to crit you for 1K and thats not including if I had modifiers to my stats like a hell of alot of INT to do even more damage. My point is..a well speced good player with good gear that knows how to play their class, will hand you yours in a battle. I dont expect you to understand everything I am saying because aparantly your more interested in screen shots and not how that 1200 landed.
If I take a screen shot of a Healer criting for 900 off a spell at 30 would you find that odd? Would you imeediately say its broken? What if there is a way that healer could pull it off, if the situation was right? Dont be so fast to discredit everything you dont know based on a few pictures.
One: I play a sorcerer.. and I'm 23.. and I run 100 DM.. and I don't consitently hit for 1k at 23.
And two.. if the BW are hitting so hard.. then why aren't they showing there? At least better than what is being shown.
Again.. it's an order player saying that one of their classes isn't over powered.. I'm not surprised.
I'd drop to your level and insult you, but I don't see the point of being banned again.. for teling people like it is..
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Well, I play a Witchunter as my main and I have been knocked into the lava a bunch of time by ranged knockback and Melee knock back from destruction. Both sides have it. The funny thing about that talk is 90% of it surrounds 1 scenario where that makes a huge difference.
LMAO!
This has got to take the cake. A destro tank complaining about order being overpowered.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I do that much damage on a normal fireball, it all depends on what level the other player is compared to you. If you are a couple levels lower than them then they do more damage. At level 25 I consistantly do 50k+ per scenario, but I also have 5 to 10 deaths. There's two sides to everything. Quit whining, that just makes you look like a n00b. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Get used to it.
This post proves the whole point of this thread. Ironbreakers at the moment are overpowered, not grossly, but they are. Hard to kill, dish out ridiculous amounts of damage to casters and have knock/snare/slow abilities that make you bite your keyboard. Additionally, most to all destro classes complain about Ironbreakers, sorcs, healers, witchelfs, chosen... this only ADDs credibility to the claim.
This guy above says he two-shots sorcs and reaps healers while finishing low-health destro players. And it IS true, Ironbreakers go beserk within caster lines most of the time and are incredibly hard to kill.
Why is this? - Because it was the only true order tank class left after the class cut so they needed to make this class attractive; plus barnett said once that they don't want tank classes to only tank and be dps-gimped, so that's the IB, a heavy armored upper third damage machine. That's just my guess but it makes sense. He'll eventually get the nerfbat though, I take any bet...
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stop winning like a cry baby.
order should be way more powerful than it is atm. you lucky they didnt make order as powerful as it is ingame.
Im in tier 4 and I've seen chosen do over 100k dps in a sc. I have never seen an ironbreaker come anywhere near that. Please stop your crying because a lil guy with a beard pwned you.
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This is a pretty stupid argument as critchance is not determined by the one who dishes out but by the one who receives damage. Shows that you didn't even bother to work through the attributes before posting some crap about "the chosen's critchance"
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Unless you can show that IB's are criting 1200 on a regular basis, I would call it a lucky shot....
Right now my lvl 31 IB hits on average around 220 damage per shot, but I'm spec'ed for DPS and use a Great Axe, I also use a tome that gives me 15% additional damage at the expense of 33% armor reduction... So I don't last as long as someone who is spec'ed for survivability..
Also, Im sick of everyone crying about IB's knockback, at least after you've been knocked back, you become immune for around 20 seconds (not sure of the length), i've been spamed rooted by destruction players because after someone roots me I don't become immune and the next guy can just root me right away... now thats annoying...
Hey, its the only reason I do this friggin scenario! I dont care if Order wins or not, I always come there to enjoy seeing Destros fly into the lava, lol. Thats really always saving my day! Has something Monty-Pythonesque.
*wheeee* there goes another...
Ok, this made me kinda pissed, if this is true. I mean I play order too, but why did I chose BW if you do the same dmg with much more armor, can you explain me??
Ok, this made me kinda pissed, if this is true. I mean I play order too, but why did I chose BW if you do the same dmg with much more armor, can you explain me??
Honestly, I do not know why BW play BW. I guess just to be like all the other 89234718957210896532780 BW's we have as order.
Did you wanna be a hero?
Did you wanna be joe cool cause you thought you would be 1 shot fireballing every destro player you see?
Beats the hell out of me why you play a BW. You couldn't pay me to play one.
I see how easy I kill a Sorc. I see how easy Chosen and Black Orcs kill a BW, why the hell would you wanna be one?
Don't tell me you haven't seen an IB at the top of your scenario list. If so I would leave your server. There is ALWAYS a IB at the top of ours. No matter what level you are. IB's who know how to play, and spec the DPS line can crank out some SERIOUS dps, with or without a healer, though your gonna live a lot longer if you have one.
You wanna play the IB, send me a PM move to my server and we get you caught up quick.
My guild is all dwarves, nothing but IB's Engineer's and Rune Priest, best of all worlds for order, we got the tank, the range dps/cc and the pure healer. We use them all to the fullest advantage possible. We make destructions life miserable. It's a hell of a lot of fun!
Seriously though, I don't know why you chose BW they have really good DPS but are so limited by survivabilty and range. You just sit back toss some fire and try not to get hit. How fun is that?