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Yunbei
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Ok my apologies for the joke, but maybe we really need a to catch some attention on the topic of graphics.
I mean, SERIOUSLY, this is Star Wars... and the screenshots more look like LEGO Star Wars. I tried to be calm and patient, but the recent interview in IGN I think about the artist style really unsettled me. No, unsettling is something different. Being a huge Star Wars fan I am officially in PANICK MODE. Sorry. But thats how I feel about my most precious Nerd-fandom. Like with prolly every Nerd-fandom it concerns me a lot, and alpha or not, they said this IS the direction they want. I dont care so much about the landscape, but its those hidious CHARACTERS. Sheesh. These square-jawed cartoon network guys are going to be the new Jedi Masters, Sith Lords and Bounty Hunters?
Really, I understand its Alpha, but we must be lound now in order to get through the wax in most Developers ears. You all know how Devs are, they only listen if the drums are really, really loud, so lets make sure they are so they shake the buildings at LucasArts and Bioware so they NOT going to make Star Wars Squarepants LEGO.
As a sidenote from an ex-SWGer: it looks apparent now the mayor responsibility of NGE seems to go to LucasArts. This SO breathes NEW. Action combat, ICONIC design, away from sandbox. I mean, really, I value good storytelling, but... havent we seen disaster with too confined, too simplified gameplay in a Star Wars MMO ALREADY? Let me say this for once and clear: copying from WOW is NO receipe for success, especially when an Art design for 2010+ looks like 1998 design. Comic where comic belongs, like into Champions Online.
But STAR WARS surely deseves a more adult, mature look and look comic uber extreme iconic or whatever you'd call it. Read my lips: if you go this way, it WILL flop.
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lol nice one. Guess what though. I hear that their approach with these current models was intended. Let's hope they listen and not pull an SOE on us.
hahah thats great.
Take a look at the crap Lucasarts is spewing out these days, as in the Clone Wars movie and TV-series. Sadly, I don't think they get the picture.
I hope they do, the less SWG vets we have playing this the better, they are all looney toons.
The design and engine they use is for a purpose. It allows for faster game design, and will allow them to do the same as blizzard in regards to "plays on everyones machine".
People, specifically people who obsess over a "IP", it doesn't matter if it is Star Wars, Conan, Lord of the Rings whatever. The game usually never lives up to what they think the "vision" should be.
My advice to you guys is this.
Odds are you will never get to use a lightsaber in your lifetime. You do not know how to use the force nor can you construct a laser blaster pistol. Yeah you could run around in Jedi robes or Mandalorian Battle gear or whatever, but you would prolly be laughed at.
This is ment to be a game, just a game.... for you know entertainment. To tell a story, one that you can read and use your imagination on. Just something to pass your time until SW: WhateverMovie comes out next. Just something to pass your time between Star Trek conventions, or whatever the case may be.
Take it for what it is, and quit being a super nerd. Or "Nerd Fandom" or whatever you called it.
The game will be fine, and will prolly be along the lines in looks wise of the new clone wars animations they just came out with. Which honestly isn't that bad. It's just a style of art. Bioware and Lucasart can't please everyone. So just take it or leave it.
It's Star Wars thats a plus
It's an MMO thats a plus
It has 3 good names behind it another plus
I wont be ruined by SOE that's a plus
They have plenty of time to change things and seem to have a solid plan to follow. Plus
They have a lot of pluses going for them. Just let them work
I hear ya, brother. But people are saying be patient it's pre alpha, so I'm gonna relax for the time being. From what I have read, they want to make a game that will play on the largest number of computers. They do not appear to be aiming toward that top end hardcore niche.
I don't really care for the graphics at this stage either. But maybe they will do something to spruce them up. Having really good customization options would also be nice.
I dont really mind the cartoony graphics but atleast keep the character model proportions realistic.
Original KotOR had good enough character models (atleast for me) so use them please.
Oh, so Star Wars is adult-oriented? Since when? You saw it as a kid but are now grown up so you demand that it turns into grown up stuff, too?
Let's not delude ourselves. Star Wars was children-oriented back in the 70s, too. Actually, you'd hear no end of how Lucas single-handedly turned a profoundly intelligent genre like science fiction (which in those days was heavily into social analysis with dystopias and false utopias) into a shiny kindergarten. It was practically both the Pirates of the Caribbean and the Pokemon of its age. Even the cast and crew was making fun of the movie *right there on the set filming it* , calling Chewie "the dog" and such...
I'm a fan, but I have to say it's just ridiculous to think Star Wars is rugged adult stuff... It was just a good reworking of well-known mythological archetypes into space setting - with a lot of "pew-pew" and an annoyingly whiny protoganist (Why people knock Anakin when Luke was so much more whiny is beyond me. Looking back and seeing Luke as a cool hero must be due to the same memory lapse that's causing people to think Star Wars was ever mainly adult stuff).
I hope they do, the less SWG vets we have playing this the better, they are all looney toons.
The design and engine they use is for a purpose. It allows for faster game design, and will allow them to do the same as blizzard in regards to "plays on everyones machine".
People, specifically people who obsess over a "IP", it doesn't matter if it is Star Wars, Conan, Lord of the Rings whatever. The game usually never lives up to what they think the "vision" should be.
My advice to you guys is this.
Odds are you will never get to use a lightsaber in your lifetime. You do not know how to use the force nor can you construct a laser blaster pistol. Yeah you could run around in Jedi robes or Mandalorian Battle gear or whatever, but you would prolly be laughed at.
This is ment to be a game, just a game.... for you know entertainment. To tell a story, one that you can read and use your imagination on. Just something to pass your time until SW: WhateverMovie comes out next. Just something to pass your time between Star Trek conventions, or whatever the case may be.
Take it for what it is, and quit being a super nerd. Or "Nerd Fandom" or whatever you called it.
The game will be fine, and will prolly be along the lines in looks wise of the new clone wars animations they just came out with. Which honestly isn't that bad. It's just a style of art. Bioware and Lucasart can't please everyone. So just take it or leave it.
It's Star Wars thats a plus
It's an MMO thats a plus
It has 3 good names behind it another plus
I wont be ruined by SOE that's a plus
They have plenty of time to change things and seem to have a solid plan to follow. Plus
They have a lot of pluses going for them. Just let them work
Sorry mate but even something as trivial as a MMO is SUPPOSED to have something like artistic style, and not look like Micky Mouse Club from 1980 or what. Yeah its just a hobby, but why cant a hobby at least look cool? And IF we go cartoony, why not have a really COOL artistic style like the SW Legacy comics and NOT the Clone Wars blockhead movie? Tis something about refined taste, hobby or no. I am really out of the age of Playmobil, ja ne?
I agree, its still a way ahead. BUT: one of the longtime values of EQ2 for instance is the result they aimed for the highest possible graphics back then, and as a result even today, so many years after they started it, EQ2 still looks better than quite some other MMOs. I see the problems of Vanguard and the like, but we should not buy early accessibility on selling the longterm future. I dont need photorealism either, but a certain style and character complexity. Making personalized and cool looking character is certainly half the rent for ANY Star Wars MMO. Who doesnt understand that, does not understand the community. There are a few no-gos, and too simplified chars certainly is one of them. I just drum roll for it to have an influence soon.
I was in too many betas and have seen too often people were not heard. Realisticly, they wont turn the game upside down. But Bioware must hear enough noise to make improvment a priority.
Meh, I happen to enjoy the style of the new Clone Wars. I also like the looks of the new MMO (aside from the lightsaber, which is oddly proportioned). Every game designer has their idea of what is good and what is not. Just keep in mind, they are making "their game" not yours.
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Well you managed calm and patient for about two days after the title was announced... that's some restraint.
First, WoW kind of did manage to be a success... just a little. So they must have gotten something right that people like. Copying them is not the worst strategy in the world, even if I don't like the game myself. Eleven million other people are dictating what people like or not. Think about this, some of the WoW clones might not have been half as popular if they hadn't coppied WoW. Also consider, that more people are paying for, and like, the linear, simplified gameplay of WoW then the combined totals of every other sandbox ever made. So if you are going to drop a few million on the development of a title, are you going to listen to market facts or some people shouting on a message board...
As for Star Wars being for a more adult mature crowd, you have to be kidding. This was a franchise that has been geared for children the entire way. Most of the raving Star Wars fans are 30-40 somethings who grew up on Star Wars as kids. Their recent releases into the franchise (even the "dark" third movie) are ever more geared to children. Clone Wars, Droids, Jar Jar, Ewoks. PG ratings (except one). Star Wars is a kids franchise, it just happens to be that many of us haven't grown up.
While I hope this isn't a game like WoW, from their standpoint, there could be worse things to model it on.
Heh really trying to be paitient...yet the game is no where near release and this thread is here. That is sort of the reverse of the definition of 'paitience' but oh well. So the graphics will make or break the game? And what happened to the days were gameplay was more significant. Heck, if its all about graphics let's all go play AoC! In other words how about we hold on a bit and see where things are going. Of course they will want their game to be more acceptable to various machines as well.
They are a business folks. They aren't your next door neighbor made to cater specifically for you. Their employees won't pay their rent on merely your happiness. They are in it to take make money as one should expect. Don't know why folks who label themselves or their machines 'hardcore' feel a game should cater to them because they chose to go out and spend an obtuse amount on a computer. Did they tell you to do so and forget to send that memo to everyone else?
The graphics don't sway me in this instance. They are alright. Nothing I will rave about but nothing I will complain about. So since they aren't horrendous then I fall on what is really important and that is the gameplay.
I've always enjoyed a less cartoony character model then what they're currently going for, but I'll take the "wait and see" approach.
Its not that I want to defend them for doing what they're doing, but in truth, it seems like the common place a lot of graphics are heading in the gaming industry. Who knows? Maybe its just easier to work with models and textures that are a bit more exaggerated and slightly larger then to stay in the confines of what we've traditionally seen.
The shots of the buildings and droids looked nice enough, so who knows, maybe it will all pan out in the end... then again, it may not.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
if this game was called Star Wars "The Clone Wars" then fine use a stupid cartoony style. this is THE OLD REPUBLIC, based off KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC, it should have at least similar graphics to KOTOR.
do the series justice and get rid of this saturday morning cartoon bullsh!t. leave that for the asshats at WoW.
Look on the brightside,you dont need to turn on your lightsaber to do dmg with "lightsaber throw",the damn thing will just crush your enemys.
if this game was called Star Wars "The Clone Wars" then fine use a stupid cartoony style. this is THE OLD REPUBLIC, based off KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC, it should have at least similar graphics to KOTOR.
do the series justice and get rid of this saturday morning cartoon bullsh!t. leave that for the asshats at WoW.
When you design and develop an mmo THEN you can decide what should and shouldn't be.
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is it a real surprise? why would they listen to you or anyone else about the artistic design.
look at it this way......see the graphics and design for this new start wars movie coming out? SCARY
you think george gives a crap anymore?
I play all ghame
if this game was called Star Wars "The Clone Wars" then fine use a stupid cartoony style. this is THE OLD REPUBLIC, based off KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC, it should have at least similar graphics to KOTOR.
do the series justice and get rid of this saturday morning cartoon bullsh!t. leave that for the asshats at WoW.
When you design and develop an mmo THEN you can decide what should and shouldn't be.
so then by that idiotic logic there shouldn't even be any message boards or sites dedicated to them because we should all bow down, suck the developers nuts and thank them for everything they give us. sorry but I am not a yes man like you, as a possible paying customer I have a right to voice my opinion. just like every idiot nutjob yes man can voice thier "we shouldn't question the devs" opinions.
Nuff said... Lucas will do what ever it takes to make coin....
He saw WoW and the bank it is making and tried to swing SWG that way.. only it completely blew up in his face..
So now he gets to start the cash train from the ground up.... $$$$ talks and BS walks...
The new clone stuff is selling like hotcakes... Lucas has always and will always market to children and their ATMs (AKA Mom and Dad) ...
His aging fanbase gets a bone or 2 thrown at them every now and then... Novels... High priced collectibles... Video Games... ect.
But in the end Star Wars was/is made for kids and to be marketable... $$$$
if this game was called Star Wars "The Clone Wars" then fine use a stupid cartoony style. this is THE OLD REPUBLIC, based off KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC, it should have at least similar graphics to KOTOR.
do the series justice and get rid of this saturday morning cartoon bullsh!t. leave that for the asshats at WoW.
When you design and develop an mmo THEN you can decide what should and shouldn't be.
so then by that idiotic logic there shouldn't even be any message boards or sites dedicated to them because we should all bow down, suck the developers nuts and thank them for everything they give us. sorry but I am not a yes man like you, as a possible paying customer I have a right to voice my opinion. just like every idiot nutjob yes man can voice thier "we shouldn't question the devs" opinions.
He didn't say you couldn't, he is just saying you don't matter. He is right. You think Bioware, EA or Lucas Arts giving a crap about what the mighty "Ravanos" wants in the game, or the style he thinks they should draw in.
Let me take a quick stab in the dark here and say..... No.
Game developers build and design games how they want. Sure they are going to listen to a few suggestions on the boards about maybe scaling down the saber hilts. Yeah they might listen to a few people when they say they want some dance animations added.
Are they going to scrap and entire art department and months upon months of work on an engine to get the base of the game started.....No.
They do what they want, yes man or not. You have no say. This is their world buddy you just live in it. Pay to play or not who gives a crap, your just 1 guy out of 9+ Billion on planet earth. You do not matter.
if this game was called Star Wars "The Clone Wars" then fine use a stupid cartoony style. this is THE OLD REPUBLIC, based off KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC, it should have at least similar graphics to KOTOR.
do the series justice and get rid of this saturday morning cartoon bullsh!t. leave that for the asshats at WoW.
When you design and develop an mmo THEN you can decide what should and shouldn't be.
so then by that idiotic logic there shouldn't even be any message boards or sites dedicated to them because we should all bow down, suck the developers nuts and thank them for everything they give us. sorry but I am not a yes man like you, as a possible paying customer I have a right to voice my opinion. just like every idiot nutjob yes man can voice thier "we shouldn't question the devs" opinions.
Everyone on this forum has a right to his or her opinion no matter how hollow it might be. The only voice a developer cares to hear come from the all mighty dollar. If you want to influence something try doing so with money not immature banter and name-calling.
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well the thing about money isnt 100% true ethier.
I hope you like playing more of the same, because that's all you're ever going to get with that kind of attitude.
For the last five years, all we have seen is the same old crap rehashed, simplified, and repackaged as something new.
SWG vets such as myself, were spoiled by the awesomeness and at the same time, the wasted potential that was SWG. SOE underestimated the ability of their market to actually put time and energy into a character and really make it unique.
Frankly, players like you do nothing but allow game developers to hash out the same old crap again and again.
What we need is a complete change in how our society in general understands satisfaction. Everything is designed around instant gratification in our society. Whether it be entertainment, religion, work, whatever, fewer and fewer people seem to understand the deep satisfaction that comes from sustained effort.
I hope you like playing more of the same, because that's all you're ever going to get with that kind of attitude.
For the last five years, all we have seen is the same old crap rehashed, simplified, and repackaged as something new.
SWG vets such as myself, were spoiled by the awesomeness and at the same time, the wasted potential that was SWG. SOE underestimated the ability of their market to actually put time and energy into a character and really make it unique.
Frankly, players like you do nothing but allow game developers to hash out the same old crap again and again.
What we need is a complete change in how our society in general understands satisfaction. Everything is designed around instant gratification in our society. Whether it be entertainment, religion, work, whatever, fewer and fewer people seem to understand the deep satisfaction that comes from sustained effort.
Sage words. We who played SWG know how much a MMO *could* be. But alas your words may be pearls to the pigs. Why teach people cuisine when there is McDonalds at every corner. =.=
I think the art style is kinda cool. As long as the game play and animations back it up. It's not as important as what it looks like in a screenshot, but what it looks and feels like when I'm playing. Personally I think this game is gonna be crazy fun, even if its not my personal dream game. This is a definite must play game in my book.
See you in the dream..
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