Lets face it... Indie companys have never gotten a high amount of subs such of those of the bigger companies. Can you honestly sit there and tell me the DF will be that to brake that trend... Can you! With out a biased opinion?
most successful mmorpgs where created by "indie" companies without any prior success.
Okay name them..... Besides Eve as that was not too much of a success when it was first launched. It took them a while to get up to the numbers they are at right now. Ohh and don't add the original mmorpgs that were starting the MMOrpg trend. Oh and you can't name the companies that have had previous games released before making of an mmo. You have to name companies that were brand spanking new and that there first game ever created was an MMORPG.
Arcken get off the whole "8 years development" topic its not getting you anywhere , its actualy working against you . As i have said before look at all the mmo's that have released in the last 5-8 years , lots had 4-5 years of development time and still were not finished , had to be pushed out early and had tons of missing featurwes or a ton of content pushed back to post launch updates . You always say 8 years is way to long , but you pay no attention at all to all the mmorpgs that have been pushed out half ass done and it realy hurt them . Like i said MAYBE DF will be the first to try and put out a product thats ready for actual release. With people like this its no wonder so many mmorpg makers these days release half finished products.
For Joker, in this day of mmorpg a game like DF will get 200-300k sub easy ( thatsa all it needs to be a hit), its too easy to have a pc and internet these days and millions and millions of people play mmorpgs , this isnt 1999. Out of the probably 20 mill + people who play mmorpgs these days its easy to see at least 10-20% of them liking DF.
Dude 8 years, what the hell were they doin. Whatever they were doing they weren't telling the public about it. What is their only one guy in their dev team..seriously 8+ years in developement, with very little info and you still worpship a game you don't anything about. I'm not critizing df as a game, I'm critizing the treatment of the df fans by the devs. What if their are bugs when they release the game, is it gonna take another 8 years with no updates to fix the problem?
Also TF2 is not an MMO so stop comparing the great TF2 to df please.
I can just see it now... the end of each week they post the killer animal/monster the 1 type of critter responsible for the most deaths... week 1 Rabbit... lol
Ever since I played a few games without character levels, just skill levels I have dreaded level based games. I like a game where you can develop your character, then change your mind later and redo your skills. I loved the idea of not knowong ifthe peson your attacking is a total noob, or someone harvesting resources and is a gm mage...
I tried 2 mmo's to pass the time until Darkfall comes out, neither one suited my fancy. Conan and WAR. There's only been 2 MMO's that I really liked Ultima Online (UO) and Final Fantasy (FFXI). I want something new with loads of awesome. Even if Darkfall launch is a total flop, I'll stick around for at least 2 or 3 months and see where its going since it has so many possibilities.
Dude 8 years, what the hell were they doin. Whatever they were doing they weren't telling the public about it. What is their only one guy in their dev team..seriously 8+ years in developement, with very little info and you still worpship a game you don't anything about. I'm not critizing df as a game, I'm critizing the treatment of the df fans by the devs. What if their are bugs when they release the game, is it gonna take another 8 years with no updates to fix the problem?
Also TF2 is not an MMO so stop comparing the great TF2 to df please.
First two years: Razorwax begins development and approaches beta before collapsing for financial reasons.
Next two years: Aventurine picks up the idea (and the original dev team) and restarts work on the game from the ground up. They approach a clan beta before deciding that what they have is not ready.
Then till '08: Aventurine grows slowly as the rebuild the game again. They miscalculate the time until they will have the game finished and start talking about having a beta in '07, though nothing concrete is ever said. The game is feature complete and starts being tested by professionals in the end of '07.
Late 2008: game trailer, external hardware testing begins, ADW (with in game footage), restricted beta starts.
Soon: Nov. 10th, restricted beta will be expanded beyond those who were involved in the hardware tests. Early December, beta will end. Middle to late December, game will be released. (Note: this section is what Aventurine says the plan is.)
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
LOL they plan on "starting" to let in "a few people" on Nov 10'th. And they don't even have all their features turned on or active to test yet. And they actually think they can launch commercially this year with 1 month of testing? Beyond hilarious. One good thing is that it SEEMS as though there may actually be REAL people logging in very soon. And that's exactly when you can expect to find out if it's a POS or not.. because NDA's mean nothing and info WILL leak and leak fast. But I gurantee you without a shadow of a doubt this thing will NEVER launch this year. If it does then it will be a bug ridden POS.
How many games go into beta with all the features turned on?
In a month all this wont matter, we'll all be playing the game.
How many games go into beta with features missing that claim they will release in a month?
Exactly.
How many games have been in development for 8+ years?
Exactly.
Quite a few games actually.... yes you feel silly now
One last thing Id like to add just for the High Priests of Tasos, why dont you quit being so defensive. Obviously you believe Darkfall is akin to the second coming of Christ, why not just shut up, and let the game speak for itself? Or perhaps you feel the need to defend it so hard because deep down you are just as worried as everyone else that your chains are being yanked? Again, if you were confident, you would ignore the "negative" posts, your constant responses to people who are a bit skeptical is comedy gold. Seriously.
OMG...this guy wins the thread. That's actually why the fanbois are getting so worked up about negative post..thier worried if the game sucks then they will be critisized for backing it. See the trolls have nothing to lose but the fanbois are going to think they wasted all those years of anticipation for a shtty game lol (or they'll just changed their forum name and say, I knew df was gonna suck)
OMG also I just found out this game has been in development for 8 YEARS!!!!! Hahahahahahaha. Oh thats so awsome, seriously, I actually feel bad for the fanbois, if devs did that to me I would never play their game but I have principles.
The Froth&Foam Fanbois(TM) must deep down be a little nervous.
IF this game is going to be all they promise us it will be, then why the rabid defense?
If you are confident about something you ignore the naysayers, but obviously since the fanbois cannot stop defending it, obviously they harbor some doubts as well.
could say the same thing about the troll like you who choose to ignore the points we make and give no supporting evidence at all.
like above when you asked "what game has been in development for 8 years" and I gave you an explanation about TF2.
and there is a rabid defense because while fans try to discuss the game, people come and post lies about it.
and you are delusional if you think that the majority of fans dont have their doubts. I have doubts about their ability to have a smooth launch with stable serves in a fps combat game. easily my #1 concern. but im not going around saying "omg its going to be a laggy grind fest lolz"
I dont make any factual comments about the game, in fact most of my time is spent trying to keep the Froth&Foam Fanbois(TM) in check.
I dont know how the game is going to turn out, I can make conjecture, and use a bit of common knowledge, however Im not so blinded by love that I cant be objective about it.
Your team fortress analogy holds no water as an argument, point out another successful MMO release that took 8+ years get out there, and it would be a valid comparison.
Truly you live up to expectations in your station as High Priest of Tasos.
Why do you need to keep them in check?? Why do you care? Why are you so affected by what they believe?? Why are you so tempermental??
Is this for attention?? Do you have anger issues?? Have you felt the burn by a previous game ala dark and light that failed to deliver and now you are on a personal crusade to never let anyone else feel this burn???
Is this really how you like to spend your free time??? Your not dispelling anything, your not keeping anyone in check, your just looking REAL lonely and sad and you need a hug or something.
Bottom line is nobody knows if this game will fail or not. This game not coming out with every feature does not mean anyone lied. All mmo's come out with issues. All we can hope for is that the gameplay and concept is good, because if it's not and its another crap kiddie game requiring no skill like War or Wow then bugs wont matter ill be gone.
Yes you have been served, everyone has been serving you, Grayghost has been serving you, the entire Froth&Foam team (whatever you call them) has served you.... move on
lol @ threads on MMORPG.com Ill see you guys in game
This.
Realizing more and more there is no point to talking here because i originally thought the site got a lot more traffic than it did. DF official forums gets almost comparable traffic.
Basically you have trolls like Arkcen, Tenspotting, Miscbattles etc who will never back down. You can say "DF is a video game in development" and they will prove you wrong. Then you have fanatics who love the game no matter what and wont comment on the fact that the animations need work, and the concerns of lag on a game that is fps combat. Probably about 10 very vocal people, and then another 30-40 people who make posts, so basically not even a spec on what the community will be.
Probably going to only make posts in the future that have to do with major news or post launch discussion. I feel dirty talking to these guys sometimes.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
One last thing Id like to add just for the High Priests of Tasos, why dont you quit being so defensive. Obviously you believe Darkfall is akin to the second coming of Christ, why not just shut up, and let the game speak for itself? Or perhaps you feel the need to defend it so hard because deep down you are just as worried as everyone else that your chains are being yanked? Again, if you were confident, you would ignore the "negative" posts, your constant responses to people who are a bit skeptical is comedy gold. Seriously.
OMG...this guy wins the thread. That's actually why the fanbois are getting so worked up about negative post..thier worried if the game sucks then they will be critisized for backing it. See the trolls have nothing to lose but the fanbois are going to think they wasted all those years of anticipation for a shtty game lol (or they'll just changed their forum name and say, I knew df was gonna suck)
OMG also I just found out this game has been in development for 8 YEARS!!!!! Hahahahahahaha. Oh thats so awsome, seriously, I actually feel bad for the fanbois, if devs did that to me I would never play their game but I have principles.
The Froth&Foam Fanbois(TM) must deep down be a little nervous.
IF this game is going to be all they promise us it will be, then why the rabid defense?
If you are confident about something you ignore the naysayers, but obviously since the fanbois cannot stop defending it, obviously they harbor some doubts as well.
could say the same thing about the troll like you who choose to ignore the points we make and give no supporting evidence at all.
like above when you asked "what game has been in development for 8 years" and I gave you an explanation about TF2.
and there is a rabid defense because while fans try to discuss the game, people come and post lies about it.
and you are delusional if you think that the majority of fans dont have their doubts. I have doubts about their ability to have a smooth launch with stable serves in a fps combat game. easily my #1 concern. but im not going around saying "omg its going to be a laggy grind fest lolz"
I dont make any factual comments about the game, in fact most of my time is spent trying to keep the Froth&Foam Fanbois(TM) in check.
I dont know how the game is going to turn out, I can make conjecture, and use a bit of common knowledge, however Im not so blinded by love that I cant be objective about it.
Your team fortress analogy holds no water as an argument, point out another successful MMO release that took 8+ years get out there, and it would be a valid comparison.
Truly you live up to expectations in your station as High Priest of Tasos.
Why do you need to keep them in check?? Why do you care? Why are you so affected by what they believe?? Why are you so tempermental??
Is this for attention?? Do you have anger issues?? Have you felt the burn by a previous game ala dark and light that failed to deliver and now you are on a personal crusade to never let anyone else feel this burn???
Is this really how you like to spend your free time??? Your not dispelling anything, your not keeping anyone in check, your just looking REAL lonely and sad and you need a hug or something.
Bottom line is nobody knows if this game will fail or not. This game not coming out with every feature does not mean anyone lied. All mmo's come out with issues. All we can hope for is that the gameplay and concept is good, because if it's not and its another crap kiddie game requiring no skill like War or Wow then bugs wont matter ill be gone.
Yes you have been served, everyone has been serving you, Grayghost has been serving you, the entire Froth&Foam team (whatever you call them) has served you.... move on
Also this.
And i love how he keeps restating that froth&foamTM thing like anyone else but him finds it amusing. Im pretty sure no one has even acknowledged it till now lol.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
lol @ threads on MMORPG.com Ill see you guys in game
This.
Realizing more and more there is no point to talking here because i originally thought the site got a lot more traffic than it did. DF official forums gets almost comparable traffic.
Basically you have trolls like Arkcen, Tenspotting, Miscbattles etc who will never back down. You can say "DF is a video game in development" and they will prove you wrong. Then you have fanatics who love the game no matter what and wont comment on the fact that the animations need work, and the concerns of lag on a game that is fps combat. Probably about 10 very vocal people, and then another 30-40 people who make posts, so basically not even a spec on what the community will be.
Probably going to only make posts in the future that have to do with major news or post launch discussion. I feel dirty talking to these guys sometimes.
And still ppl like imbant and enddream still post, even though they say the "trolls" don't bother them, deep down inside they are defending a sub-par game and they don't won't to admit thier wrong and that is the reason they keep posting.
Well we will see on Nov 10th, so far all we have is a lot of hot air from Adventurine. Of course they are really good at the hot air, guess we will have to wait and see if they are good at anything else.
Chances of a 2008 release are about slim and none right now. I still can't understand why they have not let someone do a review on the game. I mean, come on, if the game is that close to release it can't be that bad that they have to hide it from the press.
Oh and the only trolls in this thread are those posting on blind faith that there actually is a Darkfall game since virtually no one has seen it or played it.
lol @ threads on MMORPG.com Ill see you guys in game
This.
Realizing more and more there is no point to talking here because i originally thought the site got a lot more traffic than it did. DF official forums gets almost comparable traffic.
Basically you have trolls like Arkcen, Tenspotting, Miscbattles etc who will never back down. You can say "DF is a video game in development" and they will prove you wrong. Then you have fanatics who love the game no matter what and wont comment on the fact that the animations need work, and the concerns of lag on a game that is fps combat. Probably about 10 very vocal people, and then another 30-40 people who make posts, so basically not even a spec on what the community will be.
Probably going to only make posts in the future that have to do with major news or post launch discussion. I feel dirty talking to these guys sometimes.
And still ppl like imbant and enddream still post, even though they say the "trolls" don't bother them, deep down inside they are defending a sub-par game and they don't won't to admit thier wrong and that is the reason they keep posting.
i post here cuz I'm excited about darkfall actually...
with all that is happening with darkfall right now, and the videos I have seen (i know you see something else when you see them) I am more excited than ever with a game that looks much much better than par.. im here to talk about this game...
lol @ threads on MMORPG.com Ill see you guys in game
This.
Realizing more and more there is no point to talking here because i originally thought the site got a lot more traffic than it did. DF official forums gets almost comparable traffic.
Basically you have trolls like Arkcen, Tenspotting, Miscbattles etc who will never back down. You can say "DF is a video game in development" and they will prove you wrong. Then you have fanatics who love the game no matter what and wont comment on the fact that the animations need work, and the concerns of lag on a game that is fps combat. Probably about 10 very vocal people, and then another 30-40 people who make posts, so basically not even a spec on what the community will be.
Probably going to only make posts in the future that have to do with major news or post launch discussion. I feel dirty talking to these guys sometimes.
And still ppl like imbant and enddream still post, even though they say the "trolls" don't bother them, deep down inside they are defending a sub-par game and they don't won't to admit thier wrong and that is the reason they keep posting.
I honestly don't mind the trolls lol. The more troll posts you make you inevertantly give aditional exposure to DarkFall through other means. The trolls are more responsible for keeping DarkFall on the Current forum activity board as well as helping keep it up in ranks on the most popular board. They also serve as an excuse to repost info several times which gives those that havent seen it a chance to see it. It's actualy very funny. The trolls have done more help to DarkFall than many of the fans lol.
All it needs is for someone to see it. Once they get curious they look up info then some decide hey... this sounds awsome next thing you know there's another follower. I mean honestly why do you think people don't mind the trolls lol. Do you guys really think your keeping people from following the game XD. MMORPG.com is an easy gateway to the DarkFall forums. You guys keep DarkFall in the limelight when there aren't any updates. It's win win for the fans lol so there's no reason to run off the trolls. Let em stay and just reply to them and counter there false statements with facts or current info. All they do is help lol. If things were as bad as the few claim then it would be a reverse situation there would be far more of the Anti DarkFall cult than there are fans but in this case we have more fans than Haters. So just enjoy messing with the Anti DarkFall Cult because all there doing is helping DarkFall lol . Yet they think there soooo logical lol.
After updating myself between my last post in this thread, and this one...I can quite honestly say that anyone still trolling the Darkfall threads without a glimmer of a positive feel for the game, doesn't like the idea of Darkfall. It's just mindless stupidity surrounding half of these naysayers, really...It's a pointless, frustrating, waste of time to read their posts.
I'm just really looking for some more hyped up videos for this game, atm. I'm really interested in seeing some videos with Tasos, or someone else commenting on aspects of the game, mostly the inventory system. Yes, after bringing it up a week or so ago, I was quickly replied to, "It's that "Ultima" feel, you know, so you can't steal someone's shit quickly". Which makes perfect sense to me, I just want to hear one of the devs say the same, otherwise I'm doubting that they even thought of it. Perhaps they decided to skimp on the inventory system? That scares me.
Personally, I think this game is going to have a lot of problems at launch, more-so than Vanguard (no I wasn't there). I want it to be a success, but Adventurine being adamant with their "2008 release", scares me. Perhaps I'm blowing it all out of proportion, I hope I am and that they aren't. But, seeing some thought processes behind the madness would really quell my spirit and get me hyped up for Beta...Something I'm already holding part of my life off, for.
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
After updating myself between my last post in this thread, and this one...I can quite honestly say that anyone still trolling the Darkfall threads without a glimmer of a positive feel for the game, doesn't like the idea of Darkfall. It's just mindless stupidity surrounding half of these naysayers, really...It's a pointless, frustrating, waste of time to read their posts. I'm just really looking for some more hyped up videos for this game, atm. I'm really interested in seeing some videos with Tasos, or someone else commenting on aspects of the game, mostly the inventory system. Yes, after bringing it up a week or so ago, I was quickly replied to, "It's that "Ultima" feel, you know, so you can't steal someone's shit quickly". Which makes perfect sense to me, I just want to hear one of the devs say the same, otherwise I'm doubting that they even thought of it. Perhaps they decided to skimp on the inventory system? That scares me. Personally, I think this game is going to have a lot of problems at launch, more-so than Vanguard (no I wasn't there). I want it to be a success, but Adventurine being adamant with their "2008 release", scares me. Perhaps I'm blowing it all out of proportion, I hope I am and that they aren't. But, seeing some thought processes behind the madness would really quell my spirit and get me hyped up for Beta...Something I'm already holding part of my life off, for.
Well we will see on Nov 10th, so far all we have is a lot of hot air from Adventurine. Of course they are really good at the hot air, guess we will have to wait and see if they are good at anything else. Chances of a 2008 release are about slim and none right now. I still can't understand why they have not let someone do a review on the game. I mean, come on, if the game is that close to release it can't be that bad that they have to hide it from the press. Oh and the only trolls in this thread are those posting on blind faith that there actually is a Darkfall game since virtually no one has seen it or played it.
so about about the greece news people or the few peope from the forums that visited?
Who cares if they delay it. Most mmo's get delayed again and again. It's not gonna affect my life...... I dunno why people get so affected.
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
Who cares if they delay it. Most mmo's get delayed again and again. It's not gonna affect my life...... I dunno why people get so affected.
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
You have to agree on that the trolls will buy the game even if its delayed a couple more moths.
Also we all have seen what happens to a game that is not polished enough upon release.
So i realy hope that Darkfall will be polished rather than released to early.
Who cares if they delay it. Most mmo's get delayed again and again. It's not gonna affect my life...... I dunno why people get so affected.
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
Seen it 100 times but in the end it doesnt mean anything. Look at War, they kept delaying and delaying, trolls flamed it, but I doubt anyone DIDNT play it because of that.
Truth of the matter is, if this game delays and releases in 2010, it will get flamed to all mightly hell but if it comes out with a good game with most of what it's promising, the same people who waited and defended or flamed it will be inside playing it.
Originally posted by berniebear Seen it 100 times but in the end it doesnt mean anything. Look at War, they kept delaying and delaying, trolls flamed it, but I doubt anyone DIDNT play it because of that. Truth of the matter is, if this game delays and releases in 2010, it will get flamed to all mightly hell but if it comes out with a good game with most of what it's promising, the same people who waited and defended or flamed it will be inside playing it.
Agreed entirely.
I'm perfectly fine with a delay, given that the Beta has begun. They could delay for a year and I wouldn't give a shit. Just so much that I can see the progress, and help make Darkfall become what it should be at release.
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
This game reminds me exactly of Shadowbane only worse because it's been in dev even longer, doesn't have any real publisher, and doesn't let people play test it at all.
Who cares if they delay it. Most mmo's get delayed again and again. It's not gonna affect my life...... I dunno why people get so affected.
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
You have to agree on that the trolls will buy the game even if its delayed a couple more moths.
No I don't agree. The "trolls" will be far too busy playing everything else out there and so will everyone else.
You know the market/world doesn't stand still. One of the key things is releasing your product in a timely fashion. You can't keep developing forever and expect to succeed. This Darkfall game is nothing special at all. It's just a regular PvP MMO with older graphics..
It's going to have an uphill battle just to get people to pay to play it if it comes out.
Who cares if they delay it. Most mmo's get delayed again and again. It's not gonna affect my life...... I dunno why people get so affected.
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
You have to agree on that the trolls will buy the game even if its delayed a couple more moths.
No I don't agree. The "trolls" will be far too busy playing everything else out there and so will everyone else.
You know the market/world doesn't stand still. One of the key things is releasing your product in a timely fashion. You can't keep developing forever and expect to succeed. This Darkfall game is nothing special at all. It's just a regular PvP MMO with older graphics..
It's going to have an uphill battle just to get people to pay to play it if it comes out.
Who cares if they delay it. Most mmo's get delayed again and again. It's not gonna affect my life...... I dunno why people get so affected.
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
You have to agree on that the trolls will buy the game even if its delayed a couple more moths.
No I don't agree. The "trolls" will be far too busy playing everything else out there and so will everyone else.
You know the market/world doesn't stand still. One of the key things is releasing your product in a timely fashion. You can't keep developing forever and expect to succeed. This Darkfall game is nothing special at all. It's just a regular PvP MMO with older graphics..
It's going to have an uphill battle just to get people to pay to play it if it comes out.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
ok buddy wheres your crystal ball LMAO
you should look at the forum regerstration number
BTw hiya tenspotting
That's not TenSpotting, not even TenSpoting is so ignorant of the features of DFO
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most successful mmorpgs where created by "indie" companies without any prior success.
Okay name them..... Besides Eve as that was not too much of a success when it was first launched. It took them a while to get up to the numbers they are at right now. Ohh and don't add the original mmorpgs that were starting the MMOrpg trend. Oh and you can't name the companies that have had previous games released before making of an mmo. You have to name companies that were brand spanking new and that there first game ever created was an MMORPG.
F2P games do not count btw.
Dude 8 years, what the hell were they doin. Whatever they were doing they weren't telling the public about it. What is their only one guy in their dev team..seriously 8+ years in developement, with very little info and you still worpship a game you don't anything about. I'm not critizing df as a game, I'm critizing the treatment of the df fans by the devs. What if their are bugs when they release the game, is it gonna take another 8 years with no updates to fix the problem?
Also TF2 is not an MMO so stop comparing the great TF2 to df please.
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
I can just see it now... the end of each week they post the killer animal/monster the 1 type of critter responsible for the most deaths... week 1 Rabbit... lol
Ever since I played a few games without character levels, just skill levels I have dreaded level based games. I like a game where you can develop your character, then change your mind later and redo your skills. I loved the idea of not knowong ifthe peson your attacking is a total noob, or someone harvesting resources and is a gm mage...
I tried 2 mmo's to pass the time until Darkfall comes out, neither one suited my fancy. Conan and WAR. There's only been 2 MMO's that I really liked Ultima Online (UO) and Final Fantasy (FFXI). I want something new with loads of awesome. Even if Darkfall launch is a total flop, I'll stick around for at least 2 or 3 months and see where its going since it has so many possibilities.
Dude 8 years, what the hell were they doin. Whatever they were doing they weren't telling the public about it. What is their only one guy in their dev team..seriously 8+ years in developement, with very little info and you still worpship a game you don't anything about. I'm not critizing df as a game, I'm critizing the treatment of the df fans by the devs. What if their are bugs when they release the game, is it gonna take another 8 years with no updates to fix the problem?
Also TF2 is not an MMO so stop comparing the great TF2 to df please.
First two years: Razorwax begins development and approaches beta before collapsing for financial reasons.
Next two years: Aventurine picks up the idea (and the original dev team) and restarts work on the game from the ground up. They approach a clan beta before deciding that what they have is not ready.
Then till '08: Aventurine grows slowly as the rebuild the game again. They miscalculate the time until they will have the game finished and start talking about having a beta in '07, though nothing concrete is ever said. The game is feature complete and starts being tested by professionals in the end of '07.
Late 2008: game trailer, external hardware testing begins, ADW (with in game footage), restricted beta starts.
Soon: Nov. 10th, restricted beta will be expanded beyond those who were involved in the hardware tests. Early December, beta will end. Middle to late December, game will be released. (Note: this section is what Aventurine says the plan is.)
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
lol @ threads on MMORPG.com
Ill see you guys in game
Remember Old School Ultima Online
How many games go into beta with all the features turned on?
In a month all this wont matter, we'll all be playing the game.
How many games go into beta with features missing that claim they will release in a month?
Exactly.
How many games have been in development for 8+ years?
Exactly.
Quite a few games actually.... yes you feel silly now
OMG...this guy wins the thread. That's actually why the fanbois are getting so worked up about negative post..thier worried if the game sucks then they will be critisized for backing it. See the trolls have nothing to lose but the fanbois are going to think they wasted all those years of anticipation for a shtty game lol (or they'll just changed their forum name and say, I knew df was gonna suck)
OMG also I just found out this game has been in development for 8 YEARS!!!!! Hahahahahahaha. Oh thats so awsome, seriously, I actually feel bad for the fanbois, if devs did that to me I would never play their game but I have principles.
The Froth&Foam Fanbois(TM) must deep down be a little nervous.
IF this game is going to be all they promise us it will be, then why the rabid defense?
If you are confident about something you ignore the naysayers, but obviously since the fanbois cannot stop defending it, obviously they harbor some doubts as well.
could say the same thing about the troll like you who choose to ignore the points we make and give no supporting evidence at all.
like above when you asked "what game has been in development for 8 years" and I gave you an explanation about TF2.
and there is a rabid defense because while fans try to discuss the game, people come and post lies about it.
and you are delusional if you think that the majority of fans dont have their doubts. I have doubts about their ability to have a smooth launch with stable serves in a fps combat game. easily my #1 concern. but im not going around saying "omg its going to be a laggy grind fest lolz"
I dont make any factual comments about the game, in fact most of my time is spent trying to keep the Froth&Foam Fanbois(TM) in check.
I dont know how the game is going to turn out, I can make conjecture, and use a bit of common knowledge, however Im not so blinded by love that I cant be objective about it.
Your team fortress analogy holds no water as an argument, point out another successful MMO release that took 8+ years get out there, and it would be a valid comparison.
Truly you live up to expectations in your station as High Priest of Tasos.
Why do you need to keep them in check?? Why do you care? Why are you so affected by what they believe?? Why are you so tempermental??
Is this for attention?? Do you have anger issues?? Have you felt the burn by a previous game ala dark and light that failed to deliver and now you are on a personal crusade to never let anyone else feel this burn???
Is this really how you like to spend your free time??? Your not dispelling anything, your not keeping anyone in check, your just looking REAL lonely and sad and you need a hug or something.
Bottom line is nobody knows if this game will fail or not. This game not coming out with every feature does not mean anyone lied. All mmo's come out with issues. All we can hope for is that the gameplay and concept is good, because if it's not and its another crap kiddie game requiring no skill like War or Wow then bugs wont matter ill be gone.
Yes you have been served, everyone has been serving you, Grayghost has been serving you, the entire Froth&Foam team (whatever you call them) has served you.... move on
This.
Realizing more and more there is no point to talking here because i originally thought the site got a lot more traffic than it did. DF official forums gets almost comparable traffic.
Basically you have trolls like Arkcen, Tenspotting, Miscbattles etc who will never back down. You can say "DF is a video game in development" and they will prove you wrong. Then you have fanatics who love the game no matter what and wont comment on the fact that the animations need work, and the concerns of lag on a game that is fps combat. Probably about 10 very vocal people, and then another 30-40 people who make posts, so basically not even a spec on what the community will be.
Probably going to only make posts in the future that have to do with major news or post launch discussion. I feel dirty talking to these guys sometimes.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
OMG...this guy wins the thread. That's actually why the fanbois are getting so worked up about negative post..thier worried if the game sucks then they will be critisized for backing it. See the trolls have nothing to lose but the fanbois are going to think they wasted all those years of anticipation for a shtty game lol (or they'll just changed their forum name and say, I knew df was gonna suck)
OMG also I just found out this game has been in development for 8 YEARS!!!!! Hahahahahahaha. Oh thats so awsome, seriously, I actually feel bad for the fanbois, if devs did that to me I would never play their game but I have principles.
The Froth&Foam Fanbois(TM) must deep down be a little nervous.
IF this game is going to be all they promise us it will be, then why the rabid defense?
If you are confident about something you ignore the naysayers, but obviously since the fanbois cannot stop defending it, obviously they harbor some doubts as well.
could say the same thing about the troll like you who choose to ignore the points we make and give no supporting evidence at all.
like above when you asked "what game has been in development for 8 years" and I gave you an explanation about TF2.
and there is a rabid defense because while fans try to discuss the game, people come and post lies about it.
and you are delusional if you think that the majority of fans dont have their doubts. I have doubts about their ability to have a smooth launch with stable serves in a fps combat game. easily my #1 concern. but im not going around saying "omg its going to be a laggy grind fest lolz"
I dont make any factual comments about the game, in fact most of my time is spent trying to keep the Froth&Foam Fanbois(TM) in check.
I dont know how the game is going to turn out, I can make conjecture, and use a bit of common knowledge, however Im not so blinded by love that I cant be objective about it.
Your team fortress analogy holds no water as an argument, point out another successful MMO release that took 8+ years get out there, and it would be a valid comparison.
Truly you live up to expectations in your station as High Priest of Tasos.
Why do you need to keep them in check?? Why do you care? Why are you so affected by what they believe?? Why are you so tempermental??
Is this for attention?? Do you have anger issues?? Have you felt the burn by a previous game ala dark and light that failed to deliver and now you are on a personal crusade to never let anyone else feel this burn???
Is this really how you like to spend your free time??? Your not dispelling anything, your not keeping anyone in check, your just looking REAL lonely and sad and you need a hug or something.
Bottom line is nobody knows if this game will fail or not. This game not coming out with every feature does not mean anyone lied. All mmo's come out with issues. All we can hope for is that the gameplay and concept is good, because if it's not and its another crap kiddie game requiring no skill like War or Wow then bugs wont matter ill be gone.
Yes you have been served, everyone has been serving you, Grayghost has been serving you, the entire Froth&Foam team (whatever you call them) has served you.... move on
Also this.
And i love how he keeps restating that froth&foamTM thing like anyone else but him finds it amusing. Im pretty sure no one has even acknowledged it till now lol.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
This.
Realizing more and more there is no point to talking here because i originally thought the site got a lot more traffic than it did. DF official forums gets almost comparable traffic.
Basically you have trolls like Arkcen, Tenspotting, Miscbattles etc who will never back down. You can say "DF is a video game in development" and they will prove you wrong. Then you have fanatics who love the game no matter what and wont comment on the fact that the animations need work, and the concerns of lag on a game that is fps combat. Probably about 10 very vocal people, and then another 30-40 people who make posts, so basically not even a spec on what the community will be.
Probably going to only make posts in the future that have to do with major news or post launch discussion. I feel dirty talking to these guys sometimes.
And still ppl like imbant and enddream still post, even though they say the "trolls" don't bother them, deep down inside they are defending a sub-par game and they don't won't to admit thier wrong and that is the reason they keep posting.
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
Well we will see on Nov 10th, so far all we have is a lot of hot air from Adventurine. Of course they are really good at the hot air, guess we will have to wait and see if they are good at anything else.
Chances of a 2008 release are about slim and none right now. I still can't understand why they have not let someone do a review on the game. I mean, come on, if the game is that close to release it can't be that bad that they have to hide it from the press.
Oh and the only trolls in this thread are those posting on blind faith that there actually is a Darkfall game since virtually no one has seen it or played it.
This.
Realizing more and more there is no point to talking here because i originally thought the site got a lot more traffic than it did. DF official forums gets almost comparable traffic.
Basically you have trolls like Arkcen, Tenspotting, Miscbattles etc who will never back down. You can say "DF is a video game in development" and they will prove you wrong. Then you have fanatics who love the game no matter what and wont comment on the fact that the animations need work, and the concerns of lag on a game that is fps combat. Probably about 10 very vocal people, and then another 30-40 people who make posts, so basically not even a spec on what the community will be.
Probably going to only make posts in the future that have to do with major news or post launch discussion. I feel dirty talking to these guys sometimes.
And still ppl like imbant and enddream still post, even though they say the "trolls" don't bother them, deep down inside they are defending a sub-par game and they don't won't to admit thier wrong and that is the reason they keep posting.
i post here cuz I'm excited about darkfall actually...
with all that is happening with darkfall right now, and the videos I have seen (i know you see something else when you see them) I am more excited than ever with a game that looks much much better than par.. im here to talk about this game...
again, See you guys in game
Remember Old School Ultima Online
This.
Realizing more and more there is no point to talking here because i originally thought the site got a lot more traffic than it did. DF official forums gets almost comparable traffic.
Basically you have trolls like Arkcen, Tenspotting, Miscbattles etc who will never back down. You can say "DF is a video game in development" and they will prove you wrong. Then you have fanatics who love the game no matter what and wont comment on the fact that the animations need work, and the concerns of lag on a game that is fps combat. Probably about 10 very vocal people, and then another 30-40 people who make posts, so basically not even a spec on what the community will be.
Probably going to only make posts in the future that have to do with major news or post launch discussion. I feel dirty talking to these guys sometimes.
And still ppl like imbant and enddream still post, even though they say the "trolls" don't bother them, deep down inside they are defending a sub-par game and they don't won't to admit thier wrong and that is the reason they keep posting.
I honestly don't mind the trolls lol. The more troll posts you make you inevertantly give aditional exposure to DarkFall through other means. The trolls are more responsible for keeping DarkFall on the Current forum activity board as well as helping keep it up in ranks on the most popular board. They also serve as an excuse to repost info several times which gives those that havent seen it a chance to see it. It's actualy very funny. The trolls have done more help to DarkFall than many of the fans lol.
All it needs is for someone to see it. Once they get curious they look up info then some decide hey... this sounds awsome next thing you know there's another follower. I mean honestly why do you think people don't mind the trolls lol. Do you guys really think your keeping people from following the game XD. MMORPG.com is an easy gateway to the DarkFall forums. You guys keep DarkFall in the limelight when there aren't any updates. It's win win for the fans lol so there's no reason to run off the trolls. Let em stay and just reply to them and counter there false statements with facts or current info. All they do is help lol. If things were as bad as the few claim then it would be a reverse situation there would be far more of the Anti DarkFall cult than there are fans but in this case we have more fans than Haters. So just enjoy messing with the Anti DarkFall Cult because all there doing is helping DarkFall lol . Yet they think there soooo logical lol.
After updating myself between my last post in this thread, and this one...I can quite honestly say that anyone still trolling the Darkfall threads without a glimmer of a positive feel for the game, doesn't like the idea of Darkfall. It's just mindless stupidity surrounding half of these naysayers, really...It's a pointless, frustrating, waste of time to read their posts.
I'm just really looking for some more hyped up videos for this game, atm. I'm really interested in seeing some videos with Tasos, or someone else commenting on aspects of the game, mostly the inventory system. Yes, after bringing it up a week or so ago, I was quickly replied to, "It's that "Ultima" feel, you know, so you can't steal someone's shit quickly". Which makes perfect sense to me, I just want to hear one of the devs say the same, otherwise I'm doubting that they even thought of it. Perhaps they decided to skimp on the inventory system? That scares me.
Personally, I think this game is going to have a lot of problems at launch, more-so than Vanguard (no I wasn't there). I want it to be a success, but Adventurine being adamant with their "2008 release", scares me. Perhaps I'm blowing it all out of proportion, I hope I am and that they aren't. But, seeing some thought processes behind the madness would really quell my spirit and get me hyped up for Beta...Something I'm already holding part of my life off, for.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
wouldnt worry about it until closer to december
i believe they will delay if they have too
so about about the greece news people or the few peope from the forums that visited?
Who cares if they delay it. Most mmo's get delayed again and again. It's not gonna affect my life...... I dunno why people get so affected.
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
You have to agree on that the trolls will buy the game even if its delayed a couple more moths.
Also we all have seen what happens to a game that is not polished enough upon release.
So i realy hope that Darkfall will be polished rather than released to early.
Good release is good reviews.
Rumors spread fast on the internet
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
Seen it 100 times but in the end it doesnt mean anything. Look at War, they kept delaying and delaying, trolls flamed it, but I doubt anyone DIDNT play it because of that.
Truth of the matter is, if this game delays and releases in 2010, it will get flamed to all mightly hell but if it comes out with a good game with most of what it's promising, the same people who waited and defended or flamed it will be inside playing it.
Agreed entirely.
I'm perfectly fine with a delay, given that the Beta has begun. They could delay for a year and I wouldn't give a shit. Just so much that I can see the progress, and help make Darkfall become what it should be at release.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
This game reminds me exactly of Shadowbane only worse because it's been in dev even longer, doesn't have any real publisher, and doesn't let people play test it at all.
I predict the same fate as Shadowbane for it too.
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
You have to agree on that the trolls will buy the game even if its delayed a couple more moths.
No I don't agree. The "trolls" will be far too busy playing everything else out there and so will everyone else.
You know the market/world doesn't stand still. One of the key things is releasing your product in a timely fashion. You can't keep developing forever and expect to succeed. This Darkfall game is nothing special at all. It's just a regular PvP MMO with older graphics..
It's going to have an uphill battle just to get people to pay to play it if it comes out.
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
You have to agree on that the trolls will buy the game even if its delayed a couple more moths.
No I don't agree. The "trolls" will be far too busy playing everything else out there and so will everyone else.
You know the market/world doesn't stand still. One of the key things is releasing your product in a timely fashion. You can't keep developing forever and expect to succeed. This Darkfall game is nothing special at all. It's just a regular PvP MMO with older graphics..
It's going to have an uphill battle just to get people to pay to play it if it comes out.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
ok buddy wheres your crystal ball LMAO
you should look at the forum regerstration number
BTw hiya tenspotting
well maybe cause it gives bad rep to a company that is already delayed the game. This game can not be delayed. It will just prove a point to all the trolls. Trust me.. You will see a massive surge in trolls all the sudden if it get delayed.
You have to agree on that the trolls will buy the game even if its delayed a couple more moths.
No I don't agree. The "trolls" will be far too busy playing everything else out there and so will everyone else.
You know the market/world doesn't stand still. One of the key things is releasing your product in a timely fashion. You can't keep developing forever and expect to succeed. This Darkfall game is nothing special at all. It's just a regular PvP MMO with older graphics..
It's going to have an uphill battle just to get people to pay to play it if it comes out.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
ok buddy wheres your crystal ball LMAO
you should look at the forum regerstration number
BTw hiya tenspotting
That's not TenSpotting, not even TenSpoting is so ignorant of the features of DFO
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