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Ive seen better rvr in daoc then in warhammer
lorndarken
Member Posts: 279
just as the title mentions this is not a lie,
i bet you all 100$ right now that if you log into warhammer right now. go to a teir 1/2/3/4 zone ,your choice, i bet you money you wont see people in a rvr zone in comparison to the glory days of what daoc use to have .
go ahead , do it.
ill be waiting very comfortably holding on to my cash.
we the people were lied to. we were told that this game would be about rvr .
can you honetly say right now, that warhammers rvr is better then that of the glory days of daoc ?
i bet you cant.
im disapointed cause i was hoping for this game to be better then what daoc use to be. foolish me , thinking that i would actully find a game to play for the RVR and what i get is guarded keeps, that people plan to attack , but never do.
so. let me get this straight .
in a real war, people plan to attack the enemy , when the enemy is not there, hmmm intresting. and vice versa ?
so i geuss if i wanted to ., i could play call of duty 3 right now, and "plan" to play capture the flag ,so that i will win because no one will be there to play against me . gee willikers thats sound so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Boring.
when will this mentallity of "Planning around a certain time or day just to have fun" Die ? I plan to play a game now and plan to have fun, when i want to have fun , which would be "UNPLANED" , who would of thought of such a crazy concept, playing a game "unplanned" just to have fun , that sounds so , so , so ,brilliant !!!!
yeah man, i mean, you play a game to have fun, right? not when it's a okay time to play, or just to wait ,but to really have fun,
if your idea of fun is around some one eles clock,. then geuss what, thats not very fun, if it cant be anytime you want it to be. Wammer is not about rvr. its about the scenarios.,
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Face it, we wont see anything but cheap WoW clones till near future, because they are cheap to make and there is always million or so people ready to buy the box in hopes for the "new WoW"
It's stunning...that Mark Jacobs has no idea how to make rvr fun and interesting.This game is a major step back from DAOC.
I cant compare to daoc, never played it, But i did play too much wow.
The way i see it, and this may be flawed, is that they need about 2 keeps per Tier. 1 scenario per tier, and make xp gains in OPEN rvr as good as the lame scenarios they have in now.
Ill say 100 people are playing in T3, there are what?--12 keeps, and 6 scenarios. even if NONE of those players are doing PQ or other pve grinding. thats less than 6 people per keep/scenario.
Obviously they arent all spread between those keeps. I THINK what happens, is people sit at the warcamp, and get the quest for a scenario, and WAIT. There is no incentive to go take that keep 400 yards awa from you, other than to take the next Que, and run back to turn in the quest.
On top of all that, NOBODY cares if a keep is taken. If there werent 500 keeps in the game, maybe it would mean something.
I love that, a WOW clone. this has already been stated, WOW took other peoples Ideas and improved them. Just like Warhammer wants to. So as far as it being a clone, its a clone of a clone. Make sure you mention that.
Now to the OP. I like this statement logging into have fun. I know I do. Have fun around other peoples clock, interesting and true. But why can you not have fun in other places. Tell me, whats fun. Dungeons? Questing? PVPing? Tell me, please.
I want to break it down to all those who say "Theres no RVR this games sucks. Im going back to WOW" or whatever game it is. Tell me, what does that game offer, other then the same. (This goes to most games minus the sandbox)
You can quest - I am sick of hearing these people complain about WAR questing. Every other mmo is "Go collect X amount of items" "Go kill X amount of monsters" "Go speak to so and so". How are Wars worse? There not. There just not diffrent barring the PQ's. (Very unqiue, and please don't give me the crap about them being empty. Form a group.)
Scenario's - Just like WOW bgs. Peolpe grind BGs at 70 over and over for marks and honor for gear. Why not do it to lvl to? It makes no sense. There all the same, WAR just offereds to lvl you.
Instances - Yes, WOW ha more instances. But people are constantly running the same ones. AND how often are groups formed for RFC and SFK? Rarely unless someone is running them. So yeah, just like PQ's the lower ones are empty unless someones holding your hand. WAR has a few instances, there fun. But just like WOW there is only so many.
PVP - imo I would like to say, WAR is more balanced class wise. Hands down. BUT as far as combat, I believe they are exactly the same. Hotkey, click away for your skills to go off.
RVR - Seige battles are fun but in all honesty, If you thought they would be running 24/7 your an idiot. Im sorry, thats the way it is at this point. 6 Months down the road when there a crap loads of lvl 40's it will be RVR all the time. Now is to early so come back later.
The probelm here is everyone is saying WAR sucks yet when looked at closely the aspects are very same as WOW, with several diffrences. No fanboi's of either come and say diffrent. There practically the same game with diffrent extra's. So please. If this game is not for you, play something that iss, I want you to be happy. But to say this game is "no fun" maybe taking a break from mmo's all together is a good idea.
No insult intended, but maybe move on?
Enjoy : )
I gave this game 6 months,
I have never seen a clone so complete! It will not die cause clone's keep coming back. This the worst attempt to rip off WOW business! Yes this is a troll reply! Seams like AOC at the begining. O' by the way how is that game doing? Big Smile=)
yeah, you would not know, but you could try the free 14 day trail and get a sense of what im talking about.
even though it wont do much good cause that game died also about 2 years ago. but in daoc they would have 1 keep to go after, in molvik you had a keep and 3 towers. but the towers were meant as a grounds for an attack , either it be to go on the offence against another realm or deffence, which made the game brilliant. warhammer is nothing like that. there is not reason so go take a keep. and the reason why,
because you could find yourself getting better xp and renown due to scenarios, like you mentioned.
also , the keeps are way to heavly guarded for a "RVR " game it lets the defnders with no preasure at all to defend a keep unlike daoc , where they had guards, but not ever 2 mins after one got killed , because people actully defended the keeps.
and taking a keep in daoc was way more fun and intresting then it is in warhammer cause you had more people there at any given time battling one another. you would have one side defending, one side attacking, another side picking off strayers, and in the mix a real war. people using siege to get inside to do some harm
in warhammer, its nothing like it once was in daoc. why did daoc die ? out dated graphics , toa, nerfs,
and no more real charecter progression , good items , armor, weapons, ect. thats pretty much what did it imo . but warhammer has no real comparison to daoc, because warhammers "rvr" is watered down and drownd as an infant.
Instances - Yes, WOW ha more instances. But people are constantly running the same ones. AND how often are groups formed for RFC and SFK? Rarely unless someone is running them. So yeah, just like PQ's the lower ones are empty unless someones holding your hand. WAR has a few instances, there fun. But just like WOW there is only so many.
The difference is- wow's instances were full for at LEAST a year, WAR's made is almost a month and most zones pq's are empty.
yeah, you would not know, but you could try the free 14 day trail and get a sense of what im talking about.
even though it wont do much good cause that game died also about 2 years ago. but in daoc they would have 1 keep to go after, in molvik you had a keep and 3 towers. but the towers were meant as a grounds for an attack , either it be to go on the offence against another realm or deffence, which made the game brilliant. warhammer is nothing like that. there is not reason so go take a keep. and the reason why,
because you could find yourself getting better xp and renown due to scenarios, like you mentioned.
also , the keeps are way to heavly guarded for a "RVR " game it lets the defnders with no preasure at all to defend a keep unlike daoc , where they had guards, but not ever 2 mins after one got killed , because people actully defended the keeps.
and taking a keep in daoc was way more fun and intresting then it is in warhammer cause you had more people there at any given time battling one another. you would have one side defending, one side attacking, another side picking off strayers, and in the mix a real war. people using siege to get inside to do some harm
in warhammer, its nothing like it once was in daoc. why did daoc die ? out dated graphics , toa, nerfs,
and no more real charecter progression , good items , armor, weapons, ect. thats pretty much what did it imo . but warhammer has no real comparison to daoc, because warhammers "rvr" is watered down and drownd as an infant.
I was a 5+ year tester for DAOC and long before level bumps and transfers, Pendragon was my home. I totally agree with you that WAR RvR is nothing like DAOC. I am an Elder tester of WAR and I am so disappointed of how the game turned out. I truly wish Mythic who have continued work on Imperator. I was so looking for ward to that game and it was original and unique. WAR sadly offers nothing for me personally and it is just a repetitve clone of the dead MMO genre. However, DAOC is dead and burnt to a crisp now too.
Star Wars from Bio/EA is already heading down a dead-end path and I firmly believe that the whole MMO genre is absolutely dead. Until a developer comes along with a vision and a sincere passion for making a truly epic next-gen game, it is going to be the same old rehashed grind drawing off WOW. Every single corporation wants WOW's numbers. It gaurantees a fat bank account at the cost of creativity. WOW was good and did many things good while it lasted but it was also a ripoff of previous MMo's. Look at AC1's UI; WOW is a exact ripoff.
Every game takes a little from the last and eight years ago that philosphy helped pushed better games. Now, its just candy coated rehashed crap to create revenue. You surely cannot blame a company for wanting to gain financial success. That is the reason they are in businees in the first place. The problem however, will not change until gamers force a change. When we gamers continue to support these mediocre games and still bitch and complain we achieve nothing. We are that addicted to gaming that we will just settle for mediocrity? If this the case we all need a fucking twelve step program....
Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box. ~ Italian proverb
I love that, a WOW clone. this has already been stated, WOW took other peoples Ideas and improved them. Just like Warhammer wants to. So as far as it being a clone, its a clone of a clone. Make sure you mention that.
Now to the OP. I like this statement logging into have fun. I know I do. Have fun around other peoples clock, interesting and true. But why can you not have fun in other places. Tell me, whats fun. Dungeons? Questing? PVPing? Tell me, please.
I want to break it down to all those who say "Theres no RVR this games sucks. Im going back to WOW" or whatever game it is. Tell me, what does that game offer, other then the same. (This goes to most games minus the sandbox)
You can quest - I am sick of hearing these people complain about WAR questing. Every other mmo is "Go collect X amount of items" "Go kill X amount of monsters" "Go speak to so and so". How are Wars worse? There not. There just not diffrent barring the PQ's. (Very unqiue, and please don't give me the crap about them being empty. Form a group.)
Scenario's - Just like WOW bgs. Peolpe grind BGs at 70 over and over for marks and honor for gear. Why not do it to lvl to? It makes no sense. There all the same, WAR just offereds to lvl you.
Instances - Yes, WOW ha more instances. But people are constantly running the same ones. AND how often are groups formed for RFC and SFK? Rarely unless someone is running them. So yeah, just like PQ's the lower ones are empty unless someones holding your hand. WAR has a few instances, there fun. But just like WOW there is only so many.
PVP - imo I would like to say, WAR is more balanced class wise. Hands down. BUT as far as combat, I believe they are exactly the same. Hotkey, click away for your skills to go off.
RVR - Seige battles are fun but in all honesty, If you thought they would be running 24/7 your an idiot. Im sorry, thats the way it is at this point. 6 Months down the road when there a crap loads of lvl 40's it will be RVR all the time. Now is to early so come back later.
The probelm here is everyone is saying WAR sucks yet when looked at closely the aspects are very same as WOW, with several diffrences. No fanboi's of either come and say diffrent. There practically the same game with diffrent extra's. So please. If this game is not for you, play something that iss, I want you to be happy. But to say this game is "no fun" maybe taking a break from mmo's all together is a good idea.
No insult intended, but maybe move on?
call me an idiot then cause i was wanting 24/7 rvr in a game, who would of thought
? , pvp is balenced, cause allmost every class in the game is a mirror image of itself on the other side, example, enginer /magus, bright wizard/sorcerer , ironbraker /Blackguard, i could go on and on, but do any of these clases have anything thats truly original in it self other then being called a diffent name ? no
you could find more original classes, that were "UNBALENCED" that made the game intresting in daoc then you could in warhammer.
as for your question , what i find fun is when i can go anywhere and bound to run into people doing things that i can be a part of. the pq's are a good start, but the problem with them is that most of the time people are queing up for scenarios,. which i hate btw , and then no one is around to do the pq anymore
10 mins scenarios in a random arena is not my idea of fun,. , my idea of fun was and still is this
: i go into a zone, im in a keep, i exit outside the keep , i see people there ,and further down i see people fighting and killing one another , so i go and join them , we take a tower. we rest for maybe 12 seconds before we get bombarded by another army of people and we defend, after a good 2 to 3 hours of attack and defend, we go on the offence to take a "KEEP" , then we get slamed by heavy forces, "actull players "
and then we get people lined up to march into a keep , one side shooting siege putting holes into walls, and entering into a keep , and then driving a ram to slam in the door. while you got people on top screaming for back up and before you know, another group shows up while you fight them .
and then after you finally get inside, you make your way up inside and outside and every nik and cranny to push your side agaist a force that is there to guard the keep lord, and geuss who is guarding ?, players, not npc bs. and then you kill the player, kill the keep lord, and do it all over again, !!! now you are on the deffence, and now you got a force breathing down your neck, and this type of action happens round the clock day in and day out.
BEAT THAT !!!!!
yeah, you would not know, but you could try the free 14 day trail and get a sense of what im talking about.
even though it wont do much good cause that game died also about 2 years ago. but in daoc they would have 1 keep to go after, in molvik you had a keep and 3 towers. but the towers were meant as a grounds for an attack , either it be to go on the offence against another realm or deffence, which made the game brilliant. warhammer is nothing like that. there is not reason so go take a keep. and the reason why,
because you could find yourself getting better xp and renown due to scenarios, like you mentioned.
also , the keeps are way to heavly guarded for a "RVR " game it lets the defnders with no preasure at all to defend a keep unlike daoc , where they had guards, but not ever 2 mins after one got killed , because people actully defended the keeps.
and taking a keep in daoc was way more fun and intresting then it is in warhammer cause you had more people there at any given time battling one another. you would have one side defending, one side attacking, another side picking off strayers, and in the mix a real war. people using siege to get inside to do some harm
in warhammer, its nothing like it once was in daoc. why did daoc die ? out dated graphics , toa, nerfs,
and no more real charecter progression , good items , armor, weapons, ect. thats pretty much what did it imo . but warhammer has no real comparison to daoc, because warhammers "rvr" is watered down and drownd as an infant.
I was a 5+ year tester for DAOC and long before level bumps and transfers, Pendragon was my home. I totally agree with you that WAR RvR is nothing like DAOC. I am an Elder tester of WAR and I am so disappointed of how the game turned out. I truly wish Mythic who have continued work on Imperator. I was so looking for ward to that game and it was original and unique. WAR sadly offers nothing for me personally and it is just a repetitve clone of the dead MMO genre. However, DAOC is dead and burnt to a crisp now too.
Star Wars from Bio/EA is already heading down a dead-end path and I firmly believe that the whole MMO genre is absolutely dead. Until a developer comes along with a vision and a sincere passion for making a truly epic next-gen game, it is going to be the same old rehashed grind drawing off WOW. Every single corporation wants WOW's numbers. It gaurantees a fat bank account at the cost of creativity. WOW was good and did many things good while it lasted but it was also a ripoff of previous MMo's. Look at AC1's UI; WOW is a exact ripoff.
Every game takes a little from the last and eight years ago that philosphy helped pushed better games. Now, its just candy coated rehashed crap to create revenue. You surely cannot blame a company for wanting to gain financial success. That is the reason they are in businees in the first place. The problem however, will not change until gamers force a change. When we gamers continue to support these mediocre games and still bitch and complain we achieve nothing. We are that addicted to gaming that we will just settle for mediocrity? If this the case we all need a fucking twelve step program....
I have a two step program. Log out, get laid.
Lorndarken, That would be amazing (last 2 paragraphs).
Heck, half of that would be amazing, but you need a focal point. As of now, we have no focal point.
This is redneck, but- Hunting geese or ducks... a flock of 20 flies over you, you have NO CLUE what one to shoot, unless you force yourself to pick ONE. More often than not, they ALL get away.
NOW, 2 fly over you, you have 3 shots, Odds are at least one of them are gonna die.
In short- Make fewer keeps, more rewards for taking, and especially defending them, and FFS KILL SCENARIOS.
That's TIER 3 PVP. Now MR. TROLL you have two options. Either hand me over the money or shut up and never ever come back and troll on WAR forums.
Some people lie so confidently, it amazes me.
heh don't know why the OP even bothered to post. Not like this site matter all people do is trash talk about games constantly.
lol, second screenie
Warband: 5th to 72nd YAY.
nuff said about that.
well what desribed, actully happend to me in daoc, for about 7 to 8 months Straight before it started to drop off , the game after toa. and then later on , but thoese were the good old days. and here is the funny story of it all. you would find that kind of action at any level you were. , now my question is, if warhammer has soooooooooooooooooo much potential to be a rvr based game. , then what makes you think they will fix it , when they have yet to fix daoc . yes , the game i loved once that has died, is still not fixed. and dont give me this bull crap about graphics being the sole reason,. its about the gameplay !!!!
Still here? where is my money?
That's TIER 3 PVP. Now MR. TROLL you have two options. Either hand me over the money or shut up and never ever come back and troll on WAR forums.
Some people lie so confidently, it amazes me.
and it is sad cause it looks nothing like the glory days of daoc, so no money for you !!!! and i do have to ask, when was this taken ? during beta ?
Yeah TROLLS never accept they are lying or trolling. I proved you wrong but now you will change the direction and take troll bus on different road. Continue. But i proved your OP was nothing but lies.
you didnt prove crap, in fact you made my argument even more valid lmao. , so in what its worth, thanks, i need some pics of what warhammers rvr would be in comparrison lol to that of the old glory days of daoc.
you didnt prove crap, in fact you made my argument even more valid lmao. , so in what its worth, thanks, i need some pics of what warhammers rvr would be in comparrison lol to that of the old glory days of daoc.
OLD GLORY DAYS;; OLD GLORY DAYS you sound a like a nut job or a broken record. I didn't prove crap? you wanted people doing RVR here is the proof. If 200 people in ORVR means nothing than GOD knows what else you want.
Seriously atleast have some self respect and stop trollign now. Or maybe go read your OP once again?
you didnt prove crap, in fact you made my argument even more valid lmao. , so in what its worth, thanks, i need some pics of what warhammers rvr would be in comparrison lol to that of the old glory days of daoc.
OLD GLORY DAYS;; OLD GLORY DAYS you sound a like a nut job or a broken record. I didn't prove crap? you wanted people doing RVR here is the proof. If 200 people in ORVR means nothing than GOD knows what else you want.
Seriously atleast have some self respect and stop trollign now. Or maybe go read your OP once again?
listen, unless you have played what real rvr is like, and from the looks of it , it didnt seem like you had compation to begin with anyways, but if you played daoc before toa, you would take thoese pict and deleat them cause they hurt your case more then help . ask anyone who played daoc back then ,they will tell you.
This game will never match DAoC's RvR, ever. The players have changed since then, unwilling to form 8 man groups and roam, can't organize a solid keep raid beyond zerging as hard as possible, lack of patience and commitment.
Their are issues with the game as well, like the addition of scenarios which pulls players away from world RvR, but I blame the players mostly, they've changed since then perhaps because of WoW.
I find good PvP keep battles back in LoTRO which is surprising considering its a PvE game, theirs more strategy at least, and players seem to cooperate more.
WAR needs reform to correct its RvR issue, start looking at what DAoC did that, and stop trying to follow the path WoW took. mythic seems to be on to that but don't seem to be putting alot of thought or effort into it since they're just throwing in Exp bonuses. Its going to take more than that if you ask me.
People's memory of the past tend to be overly fond of it. That your expectations have risen seems to have distorted the reality of the old days. I'm not saying the daoc was a bad game or bad for rvr, but overall parhaps you'd think it better for mythic to have left out alternative things to do other then rvr and basic pve? daoc with a warhammer skin?
I think scenario's are a problem (mostly because I don't find them fun) but I think the goal was to -not- force people into a type of gameplay. I think Daoc has classic servers, you could play those if you want old school rvr.
End of contest,
Your mother needs her credit card back to buy groceries; not play your heroic game! Did I mention:BIG SMILE!
Have you played the game recently?Im not a fanboy and as a matter of fact i mostly play WoW becasue it holds my interest longer but i do play WAR off and on to pvp and have a tier 4 toon.Since the latest patch that made ORVR xp huge theres constant battles and more people then ever.The devs are listening to the people and making things better.They are by far the best dev team ive ever seen.Everything the community says needs fixing gets fixing.The game is very much alive and well and your littl epost about how it sucks and this and that is not gonna kill the game so stop trying its pathetic.
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