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Wow. I make the simple statement that it isn't just old people that hold these beliefs and I'm jumped on like a piece of steak at an overeaters anonymous meeting...
Someone needs to relax on the crusading.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
I know it's probably a thing hard to comprehend, but people like myself who are still in their twenties happen to believe in this archaic silly thing valled ethics and morality, and don't believe that it's arbitrary.
I understand it's probably lost on people like you...But it'll never die.
Not hard at all. You are what we call, a minority. Only 3 in 10 of 18-29 year-olds voted for McCain. Back of the bus please.
Also that post is humorous, which I know, for a person of your fine upstanding moral character, (tightwad) is hard to comprehend.
Religion =/= The church
Other than that i don't have a problem with gay people. As long as they don't constantly remind me about that little fact like they are special and i should treat them differently. If they do i would communicate less with them like i would communicate less with a guy who talks about his butterfly collection all the time.
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
I know it's probably a thing hard to comprehend, but people like myself who are still in their twenties happen to believe in this archaic silly thing valled ethics and morality, and don't believe that it's arbitrary.
I understand it's probably lost on people like you...But it'll never die.
Not hard at all. You are what we call, a minority. Only 3 in 10 of 18-29 year-olds voted for McCain. Back of the bus please.
Also that post is humorous, which I know, for a person of your fine upstanding moral character, (tightwad) is hard to comprehend.
You mean you were not serious about first contact in 2012???
Damn, I was looking forward to gettin some greenskin gal.
I know it's probably a thing hard to comprehend, but people like myself who are still in their twenties happen to believe in this archaic silly thing valled ethics and morality, and don't believe that it's arbitrary.
I understand it's probably lost on people like you...But it'll never die.
Not hard at all. You are what we call, a minority. Only 3 in 10 of 18-29 year-olds voted for McCain. Back of the bus please.
Also that post is humorous, which I know, for a person of your fine upstanding moral character, (tightwad) is hard to comprehend.
Even in the minority bus you may want to put me at the back of the bus. I didn't vote for McCain. Modern republicans couldn't give a shit about morality.
And your post attempted humor...What's your point? That wasn't hard to comprehend at all really...
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Even in the minority bus you may want to put me at the back of the bus. I didn't vote for McCain. Modern republicans couldn't give a shit about morality.
And your post attempted humor...What's your point? That wasn't hard to comprehend at all really...
In regards to this topic and how it relates to the OP,
what exactly are you trying to tell us?
They want young gays to suffer and suicide like in the old days. They want older gays to feel ashamed and frustrated.
FORGET THEM, LIVE YOUR LIFE.
OP:
Okay here is the deal, It doesn't matter who you want to have a relationship with, your friends family and neighbors do not want to hear about it. It is no different than if you have a relationship with a man, woman, goat.. people don't want to hear the broadcast. I do not care who you have a relationship with, just don't go announcing it to the world. That is what I cannot understand is why you think that your in a closet just because everyone doesn't want to hear about the details of your relationship.
I do no support "gay marriage" but then again I am not too fond of "marriage" period.. but hey that is just me to each his own. I am for removing all benefits of being married so that those who choose to do so marry only for love, commitment , and religious reasons rather than some tax benefits and insurance. I think regardless of whether you are single, straight, gay, married, or whetever you should have the same benefits by law, you should pay the same taxes, be able to put whoever you w ant on your insurance, be able to have anyone listed as "next of kin" and have anyone you choose listed as a beneficiary. These things have nothing to do with marriage.
SO instead of force your gay marriage down the throats of religion, instead take the government out of marriage all together. Why would anyone want to participate in this cruel religious practice that doesn;t believe in the religion themseleves? I mean seriously, they all think your going to hell for being a sinner, so what would be the point in that? I mean They think premartital sex is a sin and we are all going to hell for it anyways.. so why would you want to be a part of that? Maybe it's just me.. but I don't get it. I have read the Bible.. just about everything we do is going to send us to hell. Soo why would you want to surround yourself with that?
What do I want you to do? I could care less what you do? go have fun, enjoy your relationship, and ignore those that hate you for it. Hell people hate me for alot of things.. DO I care? NO. That is their prerogative I do not think anyone should pass laws to make them not hate me, to each his own. You do not "need" to be married to show that you love and care for someone.. if anything marriage puts a strain on relationships anyhow. If it is about tax benefits.. you shouldn't get married to begin with, marriage isn't about money, it is about 2 people becomming one in the eyes of God. If Their religion will never recognize that why would you want to try and force them?
I say go live your life , enjoy your relationship, and quit worrying about what other people think. You do not have to be forced to accept them, and they do not have to be forced to accept you. Life is too short to worry about what others are doing, just enjoy it while it lasts.
If you honestly think that, then you obviously don't know what it means to be a friend, family, or neighbor. I personally WANT to know about the loved ones of those who are close to me, and I don't know of anyone who doesn't want to know how my husband, cats, house, plants, or even my virtual characters are doing. People aren't little pieces of flesh that just exist wholy separate from the rest of the people around them.
They interact. They socialize. They bond. They CARE. Because if they don't, then they're not friends, they're not family, and they're not real neighbors.
You talk about not wanting to hear it "broadcasted," but straight people broadcast their engagements, their birthdays, their weddings, their births, their deaths, and hell... the fact that they stubbed their toe this morning while trying to step into the shower while half asleep. There is NOTHING WRONG WITH HUMAN INTERACTION. And the fact that you have a same-sex partner instead of an opposite-sex partner does not mean that you should be forced to walk through life never talking about the things that are important to you to people you are trying to form relationships with.
You and every other "I just don't want to hear it" people are just shoving your heads into the ground and making excuses in order to not sound like the blazing homophobes you really are. You're no better than the racists who say "Well I don't have a problem with black people, so long as they don't live in my neighborhood or interact with my children or shop at the same places I do."
If you honestly think that, then you obviously don't know what it means to be a friend, family, or neighbor. I personally WANT to know about the loved ones of those who are close to me, and I don't know of anyone who doesn't want to know how my husband, cats, house, plants, or even my virtual characters are doing. People aren't little pieces of flesh that just exist wholy separate from the rest of the people around them.
They interact. They socialize. They bond. They CARE. Because if they don't, then they're not friends, they're not family, and they're not real neighbors.
You talk about not wanting to hear it "broadcasted," but straight people broadcast their engagements, their birthdays, their weddings, their births, their deaths, and hell... the fact that they stubbed their toe this morning while trying to step into the shower while half asleep. There is NOTHING WRONG WITH HUMAN INTERACTION. And the fact that you have a same-sex partner instead of an opposite-sex partner does not mean that you should be forced to walk through life never talking about the things that are important to you to people you are trying to form relationships with.
You and every other "I just don't want to hear it" people are just shoving your heads into the ground and making excuses in order to not sound like the blazing homophobes you really are. You're no better than the racists who say "Well I don't have a problem with black people, so long as they don't live in my neighborhood or interact with my children or shop at the same places I do."
That is the thing, I do not define people by their relationship. I have no problem with human interaction, but do you seriously want to hear about my wrestling in cherry jello or what is in that black box beside my bed? LOL! no, that is just the thing, as human beings we are alot more than "our relationships" LOL I do not shove my head into the ground and act like these people do not exist. I don;t care if your are in a relationship with one person or 50 and they can be male female hemophrite, I don;t care, that is your business, and you should be allowed to do so. So unless you think it is perfectly okay to casually talk about orgies or whatever may have happened last night it is the same thing. LOL! Oh yea .. I'm such a homophobe.. I really get tired of the name calling over this bs,.. if you have a relationship with 5 people your a slut, if even one of those is a gilr your a lesbo, I am not a homophobe by ANY means lol.... apparently you have not read my thoughts on this subject before, because I really get sick of the lesbo, biw homophobe bs lol!. I think that those that think that a relationship has to be between 2 people only are small minded, you need to open your eyes to the whole world, and see that things are not anyone else's business other than their own. If you think it is okay to talk about "johnny stubbing his toe" but not okay to talk about what happened when johnny put on the vibro thong that malfunctioned while jane and jack tried to get it off him .. you have alot to learn about relationships lol.
... C'mon bring some of that small mindedness over here !
"Ok heres the deal"
Friends and family want to know
Co workers want to know
Boss wants to know.
Everyone who has no business in your business, wants to know.
Next...
The institution of Marriage isn't going to change at all anytime soon for any reason especially if it involves removing benefits.
Religion - honestly WTF cares what religion thinks? All these self rightous Christians are out banging their neighbors in numbers just as high as non-Christians.
Reality, it hurts sometimes.
LOL! my friends and family do not want to know what the kiddie pool is doing in my living room with jello everywhere.. my coworkers might want to know but are afraid to ask.. Boss doesn't want to know because his wife would get mad at him for knowing and the instituion of marriage shouldn;t change, that is their business not mine, I could care less what they do, just give everyone equal benefits under law .. pretty simple. I agree about who cares what religion thinks .
If you honestly think that, then you obviously don't know what it means to be a friend, family, or neighbor. I personally WANT to know about the loved ones of those who are close to me, and I don't know of anyone who doesn't want to know how my husband, cats, house, plants, or even my virtual characters are doing. People aren't little pieces of flesh that just exist wholy separate from the rest of the people around them.
They interact. They socialize. They bond. They CARE. Because if they don't, then they're not friends, they're not family, and they're not real neighbors.
You talk about not wanting to hear it "broadcasted," but straight people broadcast their engagements, their birthdays, their weddings, their births, their deaths, and hell... the fact that they stubbed their toe this morning while trying to step into the shower while half asleep. There is NOTHING WRONG WITH HUMAN INTERACTION. And the fact that you have a same-sex partner instead of an opposite-sex partner does not mean that you should be forced to walk through life never talking about the things that are important to you to people you are trying to form relationships with.
You and every other "I just don't want to hear it" people are just shoving your heads into the ground and making excuses in order to not sound like the blazing homophobes you really are. You're no better than the racists who say "Well I don't have a problem with black people, so long as they don't live in my neighborhood or interact with my children or shop at the same places I do."
That is the thing, I do not define people by their relationship. I have no problem with human interaction, but do you seriously want to hear about my wrestling in cherry jello or what is in that black box beside my bed? LOL! no, that is just the thing, as human beings we are alot more than "our relationships" LOL I do not shove my head into the ground and act like these people do not exist. I don;t care if your are in a relationship with one person or 50 and they can be male female hemophrite, I don;t care, that is your business, and you should be allowed to do so. So unless you think it is perfectly okay to casually talk about orgies or whatever may have happened last night it is the same thing. LOL! Oh yea .. I'm such a homophobe.. I really get tired of the name calling over this bs,.. if you have a relationship with 5 people your a slut, if even one of those is a gilr your a lesbo, I am not a homophobe by ANY means lol.... apparently you have not read my thoughts on this subject before, because I really get sick of the lesbo, biw homophobe bs lol!. I think that those that think that a relationship has to be between 2 people only are small minded, you need to open your eyes to the whole world, and see that things are not anyone else's business other than their own. If you think it is okay to talk about "johnny stubbing his toe" but not okay to talk about what happened when johnny put on the vibro thong that malfunctioned while jane and jack tried to get it off him .. you have alot to learn about relationships lol.
... C'mon bring some of that small mindedness over here !
It could be argued that there is a difference between wanting to have a mature adult relationship and wanting to have an orgy in jello.
I don't think the OP's concerned about his rights in that area.
Now what is to determine what a "mature adult relationship " is? who decides that? Do you think that these married people arguing over who let the dog out is a mature adult relationship? LOL! I think it takes more maturity to deal with more people in a relationship than the simpleness of dealing with one partner.
Now what is to determine what a "mature adult relationship " is? who decides that? Do you think that these married people arguing over who let the dog out is a mature adult relationship? LOL! I think it takes more maturity to deal with more people in a relationship than the simpleness of dealing with one partner.
I'm just making the point that the OP's is tired of homosexuality being viewed in the same light as swingers and people who have orgy's in jello. I think he has a valid point.
Well they may not care about what positions you are doing in the livingroom or kitchen...or bedroom...or patio...or...well never mind...
But what I mean is they all take an interest in what the partner is like and who they are. Noisy little bastages everywhere you go. And they DO judge you. Cold hard truth. This is what creates the problem for the gay couple. Everything is all peachy when its a M/F combo but the world turns upside down if its something different.
I agree about equal benefits under the law but disagree with your approach. You suggest taking away benefits from legal marrage which isn't going to happen so...the alternitive is to recognize Gay marrage. That's even simpler.
Now what is to determine what a "mature adult relationship " is? who decides that? Do you think that these married people arguing over who let the dog out is a mature adult relationship? LOL! I think it takes more maturity to deal with more people in a relationship than the simpleness of dealing with one partner.
I'm just making the point that the OP's is tired of homosexuality being viewed in the same light as swingers and people who have orgy's in jello. I think he has a valid point.
Also, when you love one person more than life itself, you will begin to understand the true complexity of human relationships.
I'm just making the point that the OP's is tired of homosexuality being viewed in the same light as swingers and people who have orgy's in jello. I think he has a valid point.
I am tired of people viewing mature relationships as those that are only between 2 people. In fact those are more immature . They are filled with jealously, selfishness, and the narrowminded idea that a person should have to consult someone else before making a decision. I do not see a valid point in any of this. How is a relationship between 2 people more "mature" than a relationship between 3 people? 4 people? it isn't. It takes more understanding, compassion, lack of jealousy, and lack of selfishness to deal with more people than it does to deal with just one. The whole basis for your claim is based on "traditional relationships".
I'm just making the point that the OP's is tired of homosexuality being viewed in the same light as swingers and people who have orgy's in jello. I think he has a valid point.
I am tired of people viewing mature relationships as those that are only between 2 people. In fact those are more immature . They are filled with jealously, selfishness, and the narrowminded idea that a person should have to consult someone else before making a decision. I do not see a valid point in any of this. How is a relationship between 2 people more "mature" than a relationship between 3 people? 4 people? it isn't. It takes more understanding, compassion, lack of jealousy, and lack of selfishness to deal with more people than it does to deal with just one. The whole basis for your claim is based on "traditional relationships".
Ever watched the Jerry Springer show? He tackles these issues all the time!
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
LOL! nah he only has the people who live in trailer parks on the show, he doesn't allow you on unless you have enough lead paint in your diet
Fascinating discussion. Here's the thing though, and what most people who crusade about anything forget: Humans are animals and we are governed largely by Nature. Being thusly tied to Nature and Her Order, we have certain hard-wired ideas and beliefs. The reason that we have these beliefs is that they are necessary bi-products from evolution. In other words, virtually all of what we say and do has a reason.
Marriage, for example: any two people can publicly proclaim that they love one another, they can write it down on paper, they can shout it from the rooftops, they can unite before God....whatever. But that is not the point. There is one point to marriage, and one point only: to legitimize the children produced from the union. I realize some people ascribe much more symbolic meaning to marriage, but that's the bottom line.
Bearing that in mind, we can see that gay marriage has no true purpose beyond making a public affirmation of your affection for another person. I'm not so myopic that I don't realize that there are other, legal concerns regarding marriage; tax breaks for example. However, the reason that those societal benefits are in place is to encourge folks to be married and to legitimize and support their children. Once again, we see that there is no point in extending these benefits to same sex couples.
These are not new issues. Gays have been around since the beginning of time. Society has had milennia to consider gayness. After all of that time, society is still not prepared to recognize gayness as being a critical part of our natural order, therefore, it is not afforded the same treatment as a traditional marriage.
However, marriage is not truly the issue that the OP presented. It was the adoption of children. Let's start with the premise that children emulate their parents: kids do what the parents do. Secondly, we add in the pre-established fact that society is prepared to tolerate, but not protect and encourage homosexuality. Third, homosexuality has no evolutionary value and, therefore, flies in the face of Nature. Taking these factors into consideration (this list is not meant to be exhaustive), it makes perfect, logical sense that gays should not be permitted to adopt children. To allow them to do such would make the children more likely to emulate the parents and become gay, which society and Nature have no interest in.
Last point here: the whole freedom idea is a two-way street. If you have the freedom to be gay, people have the freedom to hate you for it. Frankly, they also have the freedom to struggle to keep you down, just as you have the freedom to attempt to rise above it all. That is the way the world works, this constant strife is what comprises the very essence of Humanity. It is sad that we have sanitized our world to the point where no one can REALLY say or do what they feel anymore; including hating people. It isn't real. Some people get picked on, some people die and are abused, some terrible people succeed where good people fail, PEOPLE GET THEIR FEELINGS HURT: life works that way get used to it.
"Humans are animals and we are governed largely by Nature." The problem with this argument is that you're saying that humans should never evolve beyond being animals. Never rise, never grow, never change. That everything should be based on sex and reproduction. But life isn't that way anymore.
"But that is not the point. There is one point to marriage, and one point only: to legitimize the children produced from the union." From the perspective of gays, marriage isn't about children. Hell, from the perspective of straight couples, marriage isn't always about children. Right now, it's about the recognition that two adults either love each other and want to commit, or that they care enough for each other that they'll be adults and learn to live with each other. Of course, there are forced marriages, but that I think is straying too far from the topic.
Also, drop the whole "gay parents raise gay children." If children are only born from straight couples, then where do all the gays come from? Hm? And a lot of children raised by gay couples grow up straight. The only difference is that they're very unlikely to judge or hate due to sexual orientation. In most circumstances, you are born one way, the other, or both. Parents don't "raise" children to be gay, they just are. Likewise, gay parents don't "raise" children to be straight, they just are. It's like saying that I don't like chocolate because I was raised that way, and then completely ignoring the fact that my parents ADORE chocolate and made fun of me because I was the only one in the family that didn't.
And yes, freedom is a two-way street. But gays are being told they're not even allowed on the street. Thus, they are hated but granted less freedoms than the people who are hating them. Thus, they don NOT have the same freedoms at all. That's what we're fighting for... true freedom for all. Then at least if they're hated, they're still know they have the same rights as everyone else and can walk away from stupid people.
That is BS that they are being told they can't be on the street. What about singles? those who do not want to get married at all? Are they allowed on the street?
The only solution here is to remove "benefits from marriage" not change the rules of marriage itself, that way anyone can live their live the way they want to and everyone receives the same benefits from doing so. pretty simple, I have no idea why people have to get all "EMO" about it lol.
Interesting.
I must say we share some of the exact same views in this statement.
Thank you. I appreciate your statement.
Some of the comments that people have written here sort of speak for themselves. But, I have to admit that most people have written something kind. As scared as I am of the future, reading that some people don't want me and others to disappear off the face of the Earth makes me feel better.
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