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I know it's probably a thing hard to comprehend, but people like myself who are still in their twenties happen to believe in this archaic silly thing valled ethics and morality, and don't believe that it's arbitrary.
I understand it's probably lost on people like you...But it'll never die.
So now I don't have any ethics or morality? Do you see the hole you put us in?
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Religion =/= The church
Other than that i don't have a problem with gay people. As long as they don't constantly remind me about that little fact like they are special and i should treat them differently. If they do i would communicate less with them like i would communicate less with a guy who talks about his butterfly collection all the time.
You treat us special. We simply want to be a part of your society. We want to feel the same welcome you feel when we walk into a room and we want to give to the community we live in instead of feeling like a rebel and outcast all the time.
I want to be a part of your lives and do good things. I don't want to be told how evil I am all the time for the way I was born.
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I talk to my straight married friends and ask how their spouse is doing all the time. I understand that is a big part of their lives.
So, you're basically saying that I should accept the fact that I have to hide the second biggest part of my life, being my partner. The biggest part of my life being my God. I'm told by others that to me, neither one of those mean much. God obviously made me just to be destroyed and sent to hell, and my partner and I have to hide in our home referring to each other as "roommates" so we don't offend anyone.
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Nope, no sympathy here hun. Look .. people are born male, female, or hemophrodite. Their relationships do not define who they are. What they do in life defines who they are. Every person on this planet has their own idea of what is moral, ethical and what not, that isn't even defined by their sexual prefernce, their religion or anything else. Why do you think there are very few christains that actually follow the bible word for word?
The problem here is basic, no one deserves "special benefits" nope, not married couples, not gay couples, not bisexuals, not anyone. remove the benefits, go live your life and quit trying to change everyone around you. Who cares if someone calls me a lesbo? do I ? not really lol. Do I want to go pass laws about it? no, why would I want to do that? it is our life to live, it is up to each and every individual how they want to live , and I don't think we should go around trying to change other peopes beliefs to suit our own.
what we decide to do is our choice, but trying to force others to accept our choice is just nonsense, it is their choice to not want to hear about it.
Wrong to be gay? I was born this way. So, I guess you have a grudge to take up with our creator.
I was born with a predisposition to be mean to people who don't do things in an efficient way...It's a sin whether or not I was born with a predisposition toward it...being born with a predisposition to something does not absolve one from that particular sin.
You may argue that it is a separate issue because it is one that hinges on whether or not you will ever be allowed to love another person in a romantic way that is not sinful...well...I hate to break this to you, but it is entirely reasonable to think that a gay or straight person's lot in life is to be single until the day that they die...it is not our place to make amendments to scripture just because we don't want to face this reality. Is it fair? From a humanistic standpoint - no...but as our Bible says...human wisdom is foolishness before God.
Then I'm just a big dummy who doesn't like to be alone. I love my partner to the point of idiocy, and I'm foolish enough to think that God wants us together as well. I even consider the day we met a blessed day in my life. It turned all my disgust for life and myself completely around. I believe God was there that day and intervened in what could have been a destructive future for me. Now I have someone to share things with and it brings out more love in me than before.
Science will one day prove that being gay is not a choice.
Science has already killed the creator being.
Science will never prove beyond any doubt whether or not it is an absolute choice...it can only prove whether or not there is a biological disposition toward it one way or the other, and it already has, and I already believed that anyway.
As for Science killing the creator being...that's an asenine statement in and of itself, and I don't feel that i should even dignify it with a well thought out response because the argument itself wasn't well thought out.
And as far as my "wealth of human wisdom" that you so woefully commented on...I never said that we should act stupidly...if I am going to write something, I am going to do so in a way that is articulate and eloquent...I am, afterall, an English major
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
No one asked you to hide .. I don;t get that, just you have the option to not discuss it if you don;t want to argue about it. I mean even if they asked about the vibrothing hanging from the ceiling fan doesn;t mean I am going to tell them. God this God that blah blah blah... sorry not buying it. Why don;t we all just go write our own religion and make up the rules? would be just as effective, simply because you cannot pick and choose which parts of the bible you want to follow ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE ITSELF. so you either accept is as a whole or you don't. That is our choice, anything else is just hypocritcal. No you could just tell them hey this is my" love slave", and let them go off... lol what does it matter? your not going to change anyones mind regardless of what you call them. LOL
And people wonder why I hate humanity.
I cannot even believe you people are arguing over this. It boggles my mind that there are people who would try to tell someone else that loving another person is wrong....FOR ANY REASON.
Who fucking cares what gender they are, or what color their skin is? It's none of your business!!! It's not your live, and it's not your right to tell them how to live.
By the way, you zealots....
Woman are voting....even running for office. I bet that pisses your god off real good. But I don't see you trying to pass laws against that, though.
Gay marriage is NO different. It's basic human rights....rights that you think you can deny, based on the fact that your god doesn't think it's right??
Well....FUCK your "god". he/she/it has no place in modern law. The age of superstition has passed. Reason rules the day, and there is NO REASON other than bullshit religious intolerance to tell a person that they cannot marry the person they love...regardless of gender.
I remember back in 1999, folks kept asking me if I was stockpiling food. I always answered, "No, I'm stockpiling ammo and making a list of people who are stockpiling food"
What exactly are hiding from? Are there anti-gay mobs roaming the streets where you live or something?
I'm baffled by your paranoia about this.
God and religion are two completely different things.
Pardon my French but you need to stop your damn whining and grab your balls and if there is a fight, face it. Damn, I've been in more fist fights over stupid sh*t then you can shake a stick at. I've been in several firefights and 2 major tank battles. Yeah its scary so the fuck what. Do what you gotta do.
Stop your damn sniveling and stand the f*ck up for yourself. You've made about 6 or 7 post boo-hooing what other knotheads have written on this page. Your 28 years old for Pete's sake.
This is definitely the wrong place to start in any event.
Wrong to be gay? I was born this way. So, I guess you have a grudge to take up with our creator.
I was born with a predisposition to be mean to people who don't do things in an efficient way...It's a sin whether or not I was born with a predisposition toward it...being born with a predisposition to something does not absolve one from that particular sin.
You may argue that it is a separate issue because it is one that hinges on whether or not you will ever be allowed to love another person in a romantic way that is not sinful...well...I hate to break this to you, but it is entirely reasonable to think that a gay or straight person's lot in life is to be single until the day that they die...it is not our place to make amendments to scripture just because we don't want to face this reality. Is it fair? From a humanistic standpoint - no...but as our Bible says...human wisdom is foolishness before God.
Then I'm just a big dummy who doesn't like to be alone. I love my partner to the point of idiocy, and I'm foolish enough to think that God wants us together as well. I even consider the day we met a blessed day in my life. It turned all my disgust for life and myself completely around. I believe God was there that day and intervened in what could have been a destructive future for me. Now I have someone to share things with and it brings out more love in me than before.
Science will one day prove that being gay is not a choice.
Science has already killed the creator being.
Science will never prove beyond any doubt whether or not it is an absolute choice...it can only prove whether or not there is a biological disposition toward it one way or the other, and it already has, and I already believed that anyway.
As for Science killing the creator being...that's an asenine statement in and of itself, and I don't feel that i should even dignify it with a well thought out response because the argument itself wasn't well thought out.
And as far as my "wealth of human wisdom" that you so woefully commented on...I never said that we should act stupidly...if I am going to write something, I am going to do so in a way that is articulate and eloquent...I am, afterall, an English major
You shouldn't use the word eloquent. It makes you sound gay. j/k.
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Being gay is a right, marriage is not, it is partcipating in a religion. It is a religous belief, if you don;t share those beliefs why the hell would you want to partcipate in this cruel narrowminded practice?
BTW I am a woman lol.
What exactly are hiding from? Are there anti-gay mobs roaming the streets where you live or something?
I'm baffled by your paranoia about this.
God and religion are two completely different things.
Pardon my French but you need to stop your damn whining and grab your balls and if there is a fight, face it. Damn, I've been in more fist fights over stupid sh*t then you can shake a stick at. I've been in several firefights and 2 major tank battles. Yeah its scary so the fuck what. Do what you gotta do.
Stop your damn sniveling and stand the f*ck up for yourself. You've made about 6 or 7 post boo-hooing what other knotheads have written on this page. Your 28 years old for Pete's sake.
This is definitely the wrong place to start in any event.
I have had plenty of friends who "act gay" and have been attacked. I'm not so sure that people realize how often this still occurs. I read the other day that hate crimes of all kind have gone down except for attacks against gays.
FBI: Hate crime down in 2007 but anti-gay crime up
And I'm not whining, I'm stating a fact of life that I hope changes some day. Say you're gay and there are plenty of doors that close for you. Opportunities that you might want you have to make a decision about. I can either be myself, or give up things that I want to strive for.
Maybe this is my way of fighting. With words and questions. I don't believe in physical violence to solve something. War is one thing, I know that a nation has to stand up for itself on ocassion and I am not an anti-war activist. However, I don't think a nation needs to fight from within to solve a problem like this. Especially a nation that was found on personal freedoms and respect for those freedoms.
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so you tell people off telling them they are intolerant for others beliefs yet you are intolerant of their beliefs? interesting.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
What exactly are hiding from? Are there anti-gay mobs roaming the streets where you live or something?
I'm baffled by your paranoia about this.
God and religion are two completely different things.
Pardon my French but you need to stop your damn whining and grab your balls and if there is a fight, face it. Damn, I've been in more fist fights over stupid sh*t then you can shake a stick at. I've been in several firefights and 2 major tank battles. Yeah its scary so the fuck what. Do what you gotta do.
Stop your damn sniveling and stand the f*ck up for yourself. You've made about 6 or 7 post boo-hooing what other knotheads have written on this page. Your 28 years old for Pete's sake.
This is definitely the wrong place to start in any event.
I have had plenty of friends who "act gay" and have been attacked. I'm not so sure that people realize how often this still occurs. I read the other day that hate crimes of all kind have gone down except for attacks against gays.
FBI: Hate crime down in 2007 but anti-gay crime up
And I'm not whining, I'm stating a fact of life that I hope changes some day. Say you're gay and there are plenty of doors that close for you. Opportunities that you might want you have to make a decision about. I can either be myself, or give up things that I want to strive for.
Maybe this is my way of fighting. With words and questions. I don't believe in physical violence to solve something. War is one thing, I know that a nation has to stand up for itself on ocassion and I am not an anti-war activist. However, I don't think a nation needs to fight from within to solve a problem like this. Especially a nation that was found on personal freedoms and respect for those freedoms.
Would you like to post the stats on crimes against women? battery, rape, assault? you have nothing to worry about .. LOL!
Being gay is a right, marriage is not, it is partcipating in a religion. It is a religous belief, if you don;t share those beliefs why the hell would you want to partcipate in this cruel narrowminded practice?
BTW I am a woman lol.
My Christian church does not preach those beliefs. There are different ways of interpreting scripture. My church does not have a website up, but our sister church in Dallas, Texas does. Check it out, I go there everyday for uplifting messages.
Cathedral of Hope
I do agree that the church needs to stay out of the marriage business though. But it isn't going to anytime soon. So the only chance we have for justice and equality under the law is to keep trying to work with what is the reality.
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I don't understand why people thinks that being gay is a choice.
Whoever think this, what is saying is that everyone is bisex by nature (even himself), and we choose at one point of life which sexual orientation we fancy more............
Let's put it simple.
Can a straight guy have an erection looking at an attractive naked man? In my case no, and I believe no straight man can either.
I cannot choose to be gay, because my dick won't respond to male stimulation.........
Can a gay man have an erection looking at Pamela Anderson naked? No they can't
Gay people can't choose to be straight, because their dick won't respond to female stimulation..........
There is also a third way, the bisexuals.
Those are people that can have relationship with both men and women, they can choose who to shag.
If there is a cathegory you can patronise is this one, because they can actually choose.
But gays are not bisexual, it is not the same thing, and should not be treated like sinners because it is not their choice to be like that.
As I said before, the only issue I have with gays is their lifestyle (and here they can choose), which seldom is over the top and in your face.
I believe gays should tone it down a tiny bit, if they want to be accepted by the wider population.
But I have absolutely no problem in men loving other men, getting "married" and having a family, a career and basically a fucking life, like everyone else in this world.
My Christian church does not preach those beliefs. There are different ways of interpreting scripture. My church does not have a website up, but our sister church in Dallas, Texas does. Check it out, I go there everyday for uplifting messages.
Cathedral of Hope
I do agree that the church needs to stay out of the marriage business though. But it isn't going to anytime soon. So the only chance we have for justice and equality under the law is to keep trying to work with what is the reality.
Yes, there are many churches that call themselves "Christians" but unless they follow the Bible word for word, according to the bible itself it is "Blasphemy" looks like only the Amsih are going to heaven here ! LOL
Marraige is the churches business, not the governments. The government should remove all benefits from marriage and give equal benefits to married, single gay doesn;t matter everyone deserves equal rights, and marriage has nothing to do with that.
What exactly are hiding from? Are there anti-gay mobs roaming the streets where you live or something?
I'm baffled by your paranoia about this.
God and religion are two completely different things.
Pardon my French but you need to stop your damn whining and grab your balls and if there is a fight, face it. Damn, I've been in more fist fights over stupid sh*t then you can shake a stick at. I've been in several firefights and 2 major tank battles. Yeah its scary so the fuck what. Do what you gotta do.
Stop your damn sniveling and stand the f*ck up for yourself. You've made about 6 or 7 post boo-hooing what other knotheads have written on this page. Your 28 years old for Pete's sake.
This is definitely the wrong place to start in any event.
I have had plenty of friends who "act gay" and have been attacked. I'm not so sure that people realize how often this still occurs. I read the other day that hate crimes of all kind have gone down except for attacks against gays.
FBI: Hate crime down in 2007 but anti-gay crime up
And I'm not whining, I'm stating a fact of life that I hope changes some day. Say you're gay and there are plenty of doors that close for you. Opportunities that you might want you have to make a decision about. I can either be myself, or give up things that I want to strive for.
Maybe this is my way of fighting. With words and questions. I don't believe in physical violence to solve something. War is one thing, I know that a nation has to stand up for itself on ocassion and I am not an anti-war activist. However, I don't think a nation needs to fight from within to solve a problem like this. Especially a nation that was found on personal freedoms and respect for those freedoms.
Would you like to post the stats on crimes against women? battery, rape, assault? you have nothing to worry about .. LOL!
I agree. I think they're all wrong. So what are WE going to do about it?
I've often thought about how horrible it is that a woman has to be cautious just walking across a parking lot at night. It's something that goes back to the women's rights movment and women have come a long way in showing those ancient beliefs of women being property or second class are wrong.
I'm as much an advocate for women's rights as I am for gay rights. That link I gave you to the Cathedral of Hope has some books on it. There is one written by one of the preachers there named "Gay By God". In the book, he talks about how women used to not be allowed to be in the pulpit and how wrong that was. We recognize discrimination quite well, because we are in the middle of it every day.
If you ask for my help to promote women's rights, I will never turn you down. We've gotten a black president, now how about a woman???
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My Christian church does not preach those beliefs. There are different ways of interpreting scripture. My church does not have a website up, but our sister church in Dallas, Texas does. Check it out, I go there everyday for uplifting messages.
Cathedral of Hope
I do agree that the church needs to stay out of the marriage business though. But it isn't going to anytime soon. So the only chance we have for justice and equality under the law is to keep trying to work with what is the reality.
Yes, there are many churches that call themselves "Christians" but unless they follow the Bible word for word, according to the bible itself it is "Blasphemy" looks like only the Amsih are going to heaven here ! LOL
problem is, how do we know if we are properly following the bible if we havn't been provided with all information from it, look at all the scrolls that we don't get to see, look at all the new ones that have been discovered...hell the translations are still getting fixed since a lot are messed up, the bible is a good thing to read but the problem is it can be taken to mean just about anything.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
What exactly are hiding from? Are there anti-gay mobs roaming the streets where you live or something?
I'm baffled by your paranoia about this.
God and religion are two completely different things.
Pardon my French but you need to stop your damn whining and grab your balls and if there is a fight, face it. Damn, I've been in more fist fights over stupid sh*t then you can shake a stick at. I've been in several firefights and 2 major tank battles. Yeah its scary so the fuck what. Do what you gotta do.
Stop your damn sniveling and stand the f*ck up for yourself. You've made about 6 or 7 post boo-hooing what other knotheads have written on this page. Your 28 years old for Pete's sake.
This is definitely the wrong place to start in any event.
I have had plenty of friends who "act gay" and have been attacked. I'm not so sure that people realize how often this still occurs. I read the other day that hate crimes of all kind have gone down except for attacks against gays.
FBI: Hate crime down in 2007 but anti-gay crime up
And I'm not whining, I'm stating a fact of life that I hope changes some day. Say you're gay and there are plenty of doors that close for you. Opportunities that you might want you have to make a decision about. I can either be myself, or give up things that I want to strive for.
Maybe this is my way of fighting. With words and questions. I don't believe in physical violence to solve something. War is one thing, I know that a nation has to stand up for itself on ocassion and I am not an anti-war activist. However, I don't think a nation needs to fight from within to solve a problem like this. Especially a nation that was found on personal freedoms and respect for those freedoms.
Would you like to post the stats on crimes against women? battery, rape, assault? you have nothing to worry about .. LOL!
I agree. I think they're all wrong. So what are WE going to do about it?
I've often thought about how horrible it is that a woman has to be cautious just walking across a parking lot at night. It's something that goes back to the women's rights movment and women have come a long way in showing those ancient beliefs of women being property or second class are wrong.
I'm as much an advocate for women's rights as I am for gay rights. That link I gave you to the Cathedral of Hope has some books on it. There is one written by one of the preachers there named "Gay By God". In the book, he talks about how women used to not be allowed to be in the pulpit and how wrong that was. We recognize discrimination quite well, because we are in the middle of it every day.
If you ask for my help to promote women's rights, I will never turn you down. We've gotten a black president, now how about a woman???
We solve it by not allowing ourselves to be victims. I do not walk with caution... I have taken self defense courses, I have been shooting since I was a kid. I refuse to be a victim... That is just it, I don;t expect others to take care of me, I expect me to take care of me. We need to stop complaining about the BS, and take responsibility for ourselves . It is our responsibility to defend ourselves, not anyone elses. I could care less the race, gender or hair or eye color of our president, all that matters is policies, if I agree to them and if I do not. I believe our government should only defend and uphold our constitution, and our country from enemies foreign and domestic, not anything else. No, everything else is left up to us. we need to quit complaining and take responsibility for our own lives.
My Christian church does not preach those beliefs. There are different ways of interpreting scripture. My church does not have a website up, but our sister church in Dallas, Texas does. Check it out, I go there everyday for uplifting messages.
Cathedral of Hope
I do agree that the church needs to stay out of the marriage business though. But it isn't going to anytime soon. So the only chance we have for justice and equality under the law is to keep trying to work with what is the reality.
Yes, there are many churches that call themselves "Christians" but unless they follow the Bible word for word, according to the bible itself it is "Blasphemy" looks like only the Amsih are going to heaven here ! LOL
Marraige is the churches business, not the governments. The government should remove all benefits from marriage and give equal benefits to married, single gay doesn;t matter everyone deserves equal rights, and marriage has nothing to do with that.
And which Bible should we follow? Ever gone to buy one lately? There are so many different versions it will make your head spin. And they are very different from one another if you open them up and look. Even those passages that are used to call us abominations are interpreted differently in other versions.
Language is a very tricky thing. And translations are even trickier. That's why the only truth I have is the one that I can find in my life. I know which intepretation fits my life and it brings me close to Christ. I think that's the whole goal of the Bible anyways, isn't it? To accept Christ as our savior and understand he died for our sins.
I wish everyone who thinks that churches like Cathedral of Hope are wrong could attend them just once. They would change their mind completely. Christ is very much there and you can feel him quite strongly.
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I have had plenty of friends who "act gay" and have been attacked. I'm not so sure that people realize how often this still occurs. I read the other day that hate crimes of all kind have gone down except for attacks against gays.
FBI: Hate crime down in 2007 but anti-gay crime up
And I'm not whining, I'm stating a fact of life that I hope changes some day. Say you're gay and there are plenty of doors that close for you. Opportunities that you might want you have to make a decision about. I can either be myself, or give up things that I want to strive for.
Maybe this is my way of fighting. With words and questions. I don't believe in physical violence to solve something. War is one thing, I know that a nation has to stand up for itself on ocassion and I am not an anti-war activist. However, I don't think a nation needs to fight from within to solve a problem like this. Especially a nation that was found on personal freedoms and respect for those freedoms.
Well I'm not advocating you turning into the "gay avenger" all I am saying is sometimes in life you need to stand up for yourself. Did you read my earlier post??? (about a page back)
People can be judgmental dickheads. If its not gay its Black, if its not that its Hispanic or Mexican or Polish or Muslim or Hindu or Asian or Women or, or, or....
The original is all that matters according to the Bible itself, changing the Bible in any way is Blasphemy according to the hebrew version ...
The original is all that matters according to the Bible itself, changing the Bible in any way is Blasphemy according to the hebrew version ...
Then have you read what that Bible says about women?
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so you tell people off telling them they are intolerant for others beliefs yet you are intolerant of their beliefs? interesting.
Intolerant of intolerance. Pretty simple, really.
I remember back in 1999, folks kept asking me if I was stockpiling food. I always answered, "No, I'm stockpiling ammo and making a list of people who are stockpiling food"
Then have you read what that Bible says about women?
sure have.. I have had to not only read the Bible aloud growing up, I had to translate it from Hebrew. I know everything it says and that is why I choose not to follow it. That is my choice, I choose to disagree, not pick it apart and follow what I choose , no I either have to accept it or not, I choose not. Does this make me a bad person? I do not know or care. I do what I feel is right and do not need the threat of an all powerful overlord God to make me do what I feel is right. I am perfectly capable of doing so myself. I have no idea why people can;t just do things because it makes the world a better place to live, why they need "consequences" for not doing so. DO I believe in an afterlife ? sure, not what others may think, I think you are in control of your own future.
why should we help our neighbors? because they need it. pretty simple, do not need anyone to tell me it is right, you just know.