Democratic socialism, which is practiced by MANY countries in the world over democracy, is not Communism. Saying it is doesnt make it so.
They do not vote in China. That is a communist country. They dont own anything save for a few hooked in the government. That is communism. Democratic socialism is where people VOTE and own business, the government just makes it so no one gets super rich on the backs of its citizens, which SHOULD be a government's job. If it were left up to pro-capitalize minds, wed still have Slavery and Child Labor in the US today, cause they don't want to let government have a say in how they run their "own" business.
Enough of this colonial mindset. Those days are slowing dying out. People who think that way are slowing dying out, thank god. The Republican party is still a bunch of rich old musty white guys and thats why they can't win much anymore. They do not represent the true America about to burst in the next 25 years. Soon, this will all be one bad dream and everyone will have equal footing. Free college, free healthcare, jobs no longer shipped to Columbia cause greedy Ceos can't exploit American workers, so they move there to do it. With the government backing there.
WWJD? Hed be a socialist. The bible is way more full of Socialist examples of how to live than capitalistic ones. Become a true Christian and embrace socialism.
Ok, last time I checked history books Optical... Cuba and China were both Communist countries. Or did something change when I wasn't looking? I think the countries like Sweden, France, Canada etc.. are more closer to socialism (democratic socialism) than what you mentioned. And all those countries look just fine to me economically. And the people look FAR happier and healthier and better educated across the population, as opposed to the US.. where we have education in the affluent areas good, in the cornpone towns and big cities.. bad. Not so fair. Dont think you want to be using Cuba as a socialist model. I think youre wrong. China either but now that you mentioned China.. Don't they own an awful lot of our paper? And don't throw religion in this: if you start on that.. those crazy Right wing Republican nutjobs like former jailed Chuck Colsen and company (of Nixon Watergate fame) would kick all the muslims and gays out of the US. I consider myself a Christian and I dont believe half of what they say belongs in a political arena. As the Bible says, we are to be IN this world, not OF it. So keep religion out of government. But now that you mention THAT.. If Jesus were alive hed probably be a socialist. But definitely NOT a capitalist to "capitalize" on others money.
Ill bet you believe corporations pay taxes too.How naive.
BTW American jobs move overseas because we have the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world.
Conservatives give Obama way too much credit. By the sounds of it, they think he can transform the US into a socialist state in 8 years. Thats kinda reaching isn't it? Or... Is he THAT brilliant that he can actually do it? Well, he did graduate #1 in his Harvard class right? Hmm.. I guess it IS possible. I vote for free college and healthcare! Viva Comrades!
You seem to give Obama a lot of credit too. You already have him in the Whitehouse for eight years, when he's only been elected to a four year term. Of course, you and he are on the same page as he indicated in his victory speech when he said he might not be able to get all his changes done in only one term.
It looks like he is shaping up to be our gossip-in-chief. The super-secret, super-cordial meeting at the Whitehouse between President Bush and President-elect Obama got leaked to the press and showed up in the NY Times. It may not have been Obama himself who leaked it to the media, in fact, it almost certainly wasn't. But it sure was leaked by one of his high level officials. Probably Rahm Emanuel.
The companies that are laying off jobs "because Obama became president" are awfully premature and fearful since none of Obama's policies haven't gone into effect yet. But fear is characteristic of republicans, change scares the sh*t out of them.
Nonetheless the main reason why my friends voted for McCain is because they are racist. I ask them if they could ever marry a black person and all these southern guys automatically say no. Go figure.
Not true, anyone who thinks anyone making over 250,000 is filing out their own tax form is naive.
Anyone who thinks a corporation is paying legit taxes on their rate is naive. They have accountants who scrub the hell out of their balance sheets and write a crapload off. Oh, you think Lehmen Bros ran all those golf tournaments cause they were good guys? Man, it was a tax write off. You are naive to think they pay 35% in tax, then gonna spring for sponsoring tourneys. They write everything off, then the Ceos pay themselves crazy money. Have you ever looked at CEO pay scales? I doubt you have.
The smartest thing these guys have done, was convince "joe the plumbers" like you that youll be rich one day. Even though you don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, you support these ideals in the hope that one day, youll be Bill Gates. But the odds are my friend, you probably have a better chance statistically to be a pro NBA player than to be a millionaire. But you keep believing the hype cause you're "special".
Most people work. Most people don't own companies. Most that do are not making over 250K a year. I would wager that half the people pushing this drivel fit in that category. Does this shoe fit on you? Do you make over that? Probably not. If you did, I doubt youd be on these boards posting your economic theories.
The companies that are laying off jobs "because Obama became president" are awfully premature and fearful since none of Obama's policies haven't gone into effect yet. But fear is characteristic of republicans, change scares the sh*t out of them.
Nonetheless the main reason why my friends voted for McCain is because they are racist. I ask them if they could ever marry a black person and all these southern guys automatically say no. Go figure.
Obama is not change. he is bigger government and less freedom. American business would LOVE real change, but since they can see they won't get that with Obama, the economy is tanking even faster than it would have been under McCain.
Why do you have racist friends? I wouln't have a friend who was racist. None of my friends voted on the basis of race, and among them were Obama supporters, McCain Supporters, Ron Paul supporters, Nader supporters, and Barr supporters.
What kind of a person hangs out with people he knows are racist?
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Not true, anyone who thinks anyone making over 250,000 is filing out their own tax form is naive. Anyone who thinks a corporation is paying legit taxes on their rate is naive. They have accountants who scrub the hell out of their balance sheets and write a crapload off. Oh, you think Lehmen Bros ran all those golf tournaments cause they were good guys? Man, it was a tax write off. You are naive to think they pay 35% in tax, then gonna spring for sponsoring tourneys. They write everything off, then the Ceos pay themselves crazy money. Have you ever looked at CEO pay scales? I doubt you have. The smartest thing these guys have done, was convince "joe the plumbers" like you that youll be rich one day. Even though you don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, you support these ideals in the hope that one day, youll be Bill Gates. But the odds are my friend, you probably have a better chance statistically to be a pro NBA player than to be a millionaire. But you keep believing the hype cause you're "special". Most people work. Most people don't own companies. Most that do are not making over 250K a year. I would wager that half the people pushing this drivel fit in that category. Does this shoe fit on you? Do you make over that? Probably not. If you did, I doubt youd be on these boards posting your economic theories.
Let's just say I am retired at 46 on my investments, and I post my economic theories here because it's a fun diversion -- and since I love MMOs and political economy (and theology as well, but that's another story), I engage in conversation with people with similar interests.
I didn't start out rich. I started out totally middle class, then I was poor, now I would be considered rich bu Obama and Biden's standards. Most "rich" people are like that. Most millionaires in America are the first in their families to be that way.
The American dream is very real -- I'm sorry you are not a part of it. Possibly if you were not on the internet posting your theories you would be able to make more money.
my friends say they aren't racist but if they agree that they could never marry a black woman then yes they are closet racist. I'm not gonna drop them from being my friend because most southerners are closet racist. Not much I can do about that. They have racist parents. We just try to avoid politics and race when we hang out, and we can still be friends.
Hell yeah, a lot of southerners are closet racists. They will say anything to act like they arent but the truth is well known.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believe it or not LOL
my friends say they aren't racist but if they agree that they could never marry a black woman then yes they are closet racist. I'm not gonna drop them from being my friend because most southerners are closet racist. Not much I can do about that. They have racist parents. We just try to avoid politics and race when we hang out, and we can still be friends.
Hell yeah, a lot of southerners are closet racists. They will say anything to act like they arent but the truth is well known.
Well I certainly wouldn't be friends with racists no matter where I lived.
my friends say they aren't racist but if they agree that they could never marry a black woman then yes they are closet racist. I'm not gonna drop them from being my friend because most southerners are closet racist. Not much I can do about that. They have racist parents. We just try to avoid politics and race when we hang out, and we can still be friends.
Hell yeah, a lot of southerners are closet racists. They will say anything to act like they arent but the truth is well known.
Well I certainly wouldn't be friends with racists no matter where I lived.
would you marry a black chick? lol (I can't beleive anything you say but go ahead and tell me)
The new rules also call for "a gift ban that is aggressive in reducing the influence of special interests" and an end to transition contributions from federal lobbyists.
In an off-camera briefing Tuesday, Podesta was asked whether potential staff expertise may be lost as the team adheres to these new rules.
He replied, "So be it," reiterating Obama's commitment have the "toughest" rules to "stop the revolving door" in Washington politics.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
They screwed things up so bad, that the US would elect a Black man named Barack Hussein Obama President of the US. At least Republicans can be counted on one good contribution to American History.
Well, actually he's America's first half-white president.
I'm an optimist. The glass is half full.
Last time i checked. Your Race is Determined by your MOTHER So Obama is White and Half black. Unless his mom is also part black...
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
The new rules also call for "a gift ban that is aggressive in reducing the influence of special interests" and an end to transition contributions from federal lobbyists.
In an off-camera briefing Tuesday, Podesta was asked whether potential staff expertise may be lost as the team adheres to these new rules.
He replied, "So be it," reiterating Obama's commitment have the "toughest" rules to "stop the revolving door" in Washington politics.
don't sound bad to me.
Doesn't sound bad to me either but it has nothing to do with what is being discussed.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Man, it is so hard to be optimistic when one reads this level of ignorance. Keep in mind, I'm not calling you stupid, but this is a very ignorant opinion. This country was built by people, not government. The people came first, government followed. And it has been taking our freedoms ever since.
They screwed things up so bad, that the US would elect a Black man named Barack Hussein Obama President of the US. At least Republicans can be counted on one good contribution to American History.
Well, actually he's America's first half-white president.
I'm an optimist. The glass is half full.
Last time i checked. Your Race is Determined by your MOTHER So Obama is White and Half black. Unless his mom is also part black...
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Man, it is so hard to be optimistic when one reads this level of ignorance. Keep in mind, I'm not calling you stupid, but this is a very ignorant opinion. This country was built by people, not government. The people came first, government followed. And it has been taking our freedoms ever since.
i think the reason you cant trust even 75% of what the governemnt does (hey I dont think tax allocation is perfect but it definitely is going to help people). I think the reason you cant trust even 75% of what the government does is beacause you lived a sad youth and were constantly dissapointed. Maybe you were born ugly or something I dunno man. Sorry but, pessism relates to people with no hope or horrible upbringings.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
Guess we have something in common after all Fisherman,
Im retired as well.. State of New Jersey Law Enforcement. But you know the difference?
Im happy with a mortgage paid, retirement bennies and seeing my kids grow. I don't need over 250k a year to achieve that. If you were able to check statistics, youd see law enforcement retire quite comfortably and are among the highest paid in the country. I make all the money Ill need until I die as I live plainly, like most americans. (not the small 250k+ minority).
But the simple point is, Id like every american to get what I got. Good healthcare, decent education and enough food to eat. Im not for everyone getting plasma tvs and computer rigs like I sport. Just the basics which so many in this country do not have cause of corporate greed and bad social messages.
I would gladly pay a 50% tax rate if I knew certain things were in place:
Free healthcare for life for my entire family. Free college for my kids. Good infrastructure and roads that work. More mass transit/light rail. I don't mind democratic socialism. Unlike a capitalist, I think we all are better when no one needs. We would have a lot less crime without capitalist TV messages telling people to consume more and more. Its a no win. Sooner or later, someone is gonna come up to your house and bop you upside your head to get what you got. Spread the wealth.
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Fisherman,
Democratic socialism, which is practiced by MANY countries in the world over democracy, is not Communism. Saying it is doesnt make it so.
They do not vote in China. That is a communist country. They dont own anything save for a few hooked in the government. That is communism. Democratic socialism is where people VOTE and own business, the government just makes it so no one gets super rich on the backs of its citizens, which SHOULD be a government's job. If it were left up to pro-capitalize minds, wed still have Slavery and Child Labor in the US today, cause they don't want to let government have a say in how they run their "own" business.
Enough of this colonial mindset. Those days are slowing dying out. People who think that way are slowing dying out, thank god. The Republican party is still a bunch of rich old musty white guys and thats why they can't win much anymore. They do not represent the true America about to burst in the next 25 years. Soon, this will all be one bad dream and everyone will have equal footing. Free college, free healthcare, jobs no longer shipped to Columbia cause greedy Ceos can't exploit American workers, so they move there to do it. With the government backing there.
WWJD? Hed be a socialist. The bible is way more full of Socialist examples of how to live than capitalistic ones. Become a true Christian and embrace socialism.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Ill bet you believe corporations pay taxes too.How naive.
BTW American jobs move overseas because we have the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world.
LINK
But thats ok lets tax the big evil corporations so we can lose more jobs.Lets tax then even more and make it "fair".
What is your physical limit?
You seem to give Obama a lot of credit too. You already have him in the Whitehouse for eight years, when he's only been elected to a four year term. Of course, you and he are on the same page as he indicated in his victory speech when he said he might not be able to get all his changes done in only one term.
It looks like he is shaping up to be our gossip-in-chief. The super-secret, super-cordial meeting at the Whitehouse between President Bush and President-elect Obama got leaked to the press and showed up in the NY Times. It may not have been Obama himself who leaked it to the media, in fact, it almost certainly wasn't. But it sure was leaked by one of his high level officials. Probably Rahm Emanuel.
The companies that are laying off jobs "because Obama became president" are awfully premature and fearful since none of Obama's policies haven't gone into effect yet. But fear is characteristic of republicans, change scares the sh*t out of them.
Nonetheless the main reason why my friends voted for McCain is because they are racist. I ask them if they could ever marry a black person and all these southern guys automatically say no. Go figure.
Not true, anyone who thinks anyone making over 250,000 is filing out their own tax form is naive.
Anyone who thinks a corporation is paying legit taxes on their rate is naive. They have accountants who scrub the hell out of their balance sheets and write a crapload off. Oh, you think Lehmen Bros ran all those golf tournaments cause they were good guys? Man, it was a tax write off. You are naive to think they pay 35% in tax, then gonna spring for sponsoring tourneys. They write everything off, then the Ceos pay themselves crazy money. Have you ever looked at CEO pay scales? I doubt you have.
The smartest thing these guys have done, was convince "joe the plumbers" like you that youll be rich one day. Even though you don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, you support these ideals in the hope that one day, youll be Bill Gates. But the odds are my friend, you probably have a better chance statistically to be a pro NBA player than to be a millionaire. But you keep believing the hype cause you're "special".
Most people work. Most people don't own companies. Most that do are not making over 250K a year. I would wager that half the people pushing this drivel fit in that category. Does this shoe fit on you? Do you make over that? Probably not. If you did, I doubt youd be on these boards posting your economic theories.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Obama is not change. he is bigger government and less freedom. American business would LOVE real change, but since they can see they won't get that with Obama, the economy is tanking even faster than it would have been under McCain.
Why do you have racist friends? I wouln't have a friend who was racist. None of my friends voted on the basis of race, and among them were Obama supporters, McCain Supporters, Ron Paul supporters, Nader supporters, and Barr supporters.
What kind of a person hangs out with people he knows are racist?
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bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Let's just say I am retired at 46 on my investments, and I post my economic theories here because it's a fun diversion -- and since I love MMOs and political economy (and theology as well, but that's another story), I engage in conversation with people with similar interests.
I didn't start out rich. I started out totally middle class, then I was poor, now I would be considered rich bu Obama and Biden's standards. Most "rich" people are like that. Most millionaires in America are the first in their families to be that way.
The American dream is very real -- I'm sorry you are not a part of it. Possibly if you were not on the internet posting your theories you would be able to make more money.
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my friends say they aren't racist but if they agree that they could never marry a black woman then yes they are closet racist. I'm not gonna drop them from being my friend because most southerners are closet racist. Not much I can do about that. They have racist parents. We just try to avoid politics and race when we hang out, and we can still be friends.
Hell yeah, a lot of southerners are closet racists. They will say anything to act like they arent but the truth is well known.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believe it or not LOL
Well I certainly wouldn't be friends with racists no matter where I lived.
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Well I certainly wouldn't be friends with racists no matter where I lived.
would you marry a black chick? lol (I can't beleive anything you say but go ahead and tell me)
You mean towards a complete socialist state?
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27665871
The new rules also call for "a gift ban that is aggressive in reducing the influence of special interests" and an end to transition contributions from federal lobbyists.
In an off-camera briefing Tuesday, Podesta was asked whether potential staff expertise may be lost as the team adheres to these new rules.
He replied, "So be it," reiterating Obama's commitment have the "toughest" rules to "stop the revolving door" in Washington politics.
don't sound bad to me.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
fishermage.blogspot.com
You mean towards a complete socialist state?
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27665871
...and....the relevance here is?
fishermage.blogspot.com
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
Well, actually he's America's first half-white president.
I'm an optimist. The glass is half full.
Last time i checked. Your Race is Determined by your MOTHER So Obama is White and Half black. Unless his mom is also part black...
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
You mean towards a complete socialist state?
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27665871
The new rules also call for "a gift ban that is aggressive in reducing the influence of special interests" and an end to transition contributions from federal lobbyists.
In an off-camera briefing Tuesday, Podesta was asked whether potential staff expertise may be lost as the team adheres to these new rules.
He replied, "So be it," reiterating Obama's commitment have the "toughest" rules to "stop the revolving door" in Washington politics.
don't sound bad to me.
Doesn't sound bad to me either but it has nothing to do with what is being discussed.
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Man, it is so hard to be optimistic when one reads this level of ignorance. Keep in mind, I'm not calling you stupid, but this is a very ignorant opinion. This country was built by people, not government. The people came first, government followed. And it has been taking our freedoms ever since.
Well, actually he's America's first half-white president.
I'm an optimist. The glass is half full.
Last time i checked. Your Race is Determined by your MOTHER So Obama is White and Half black. Unless his mom is also part black...
Woahhhhh where the heck did you hear that?
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Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Man, it is so hard to be optimistic when one reads this level of ignorance. Keep in mind, I'm not calling you stupid, but this is a very ignorant opinion. This country was built by people, not government. The people came first, government followed. And it has been taking our freedoms ever since.
i think the reason you cant trust even 75% of what the governemnt does (hey I dont think tax allocation is perfect but it definitely is going to help people). I think the reason you cant trust even 75% of what the government does is beacause you lived a sad youth and were constantly dissapointed. Maybe you were born ugly or something I dunno man. Sorry but, pessism relates to people with no hope or horrible upbringings.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
Guess we have something in common after all Fisherman,
Im retired as well.. State of New Jersey Law Enforcement. But you know the difference?
Im happy with a mortgage paid, retirement bennies and seeing my kids grow. I don't need over 250k a year to achieve that. If you were able to check statistics, youd see law enforcement retire quite comfortably and are among the highest paid in the country. I make all the money Ill need until I die as I live plainly, like most americans. (not the small 250k+ minority).
But the simple point is, Id like every american to get what I got. Good healthcare, decent education and enough food to eat. Im not for everyone getting plasma tvs and computer rigs like I sport. Just the basics which so many in this country do not have cause of corporate greed and bad social messages.
I would gladly pay a 50% tax rate if I knew certain things were in place:
Free healthcare for life for my entire family. Free college for my kids. Good infrastructure and roads that work. More mass transit/light rail. I don't mind democratic socialism. Unlike a capitalist, I think we all are better when no one needs. We would have a lot less crime without capitalist TV messages telling people to consume more and more. Its a no win. Sooner or later, someone is gonna come up to your house and bop you upside your head to get what you got. Spread the wealth.
We all do better when we all live better.
"TO MICHAEL!"