They screwed things up so bad, that the US would elect a Black man named Barack Hussein Obama President of the US. At least Republicans can be counted on one good contribution to American History.
Well, actually he's America's first half-white president.
I'm an optimist. The glass is half full.
Last time i checked. Your Race is Determined by your MOTHER So Obama is White and Half black. Unless his mom is also part black...
Woahhhhh where the heck did you hear that?
Was told that by a Highschool Principal. He showed me and my half asian friend it in some government book.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
Lol No but you could Tie the money to the Child and let the parrents Decide where to send them. Its working in some European Countries right now.
Im not complaining that were spending so mutch on them Im complaining about HOW its spent. Public Schools are a Joke, Let them Fire bad teachers and have a reason to try and teach and things will Improve.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
Lol No but you could Tie the money to the Child and let the parrents Decide where to send them. Its working in some European Countries right now.
Im not complaining that were spending so mutch on them Im complaining about HOW its spent. Public Schools are a Joke, Let them Fire bad teachers and have a reason to try and teach and things will Improve.
obama hasnt spent anything on education yet. how do you know he will blow it. I say that 10$ is better than no $. He isnt so corrupt as you think.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
Lol No but you could Tie the money to the Child and let the parrents Decide where to send them. Its working in some European Countries right now.
Im not complaining that were spending so mutch on them Im complaining about HOW its spent. Public Schools are a Joke, Let them Fire bad teachers and have a reason to try and teach and things will Improve.
obama hasnt spent anything on education yet. how do you know he will blow it. I say that 10$ is better than no $. He isnt so corrupt as you think.
He will blow it because everyone else has -- it's socilaism that will fail Obama. It's not his fault. It's a bad system.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
ie governement sucks I disagree with any spending they do - this is how you think right?
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
Lol No but you could Tie the money to the Child and let the parrents Decide where to send them. Its working in some European Countries right now.
Im not complaining that were spending so mutch on them Im complaining about HOW its spent. Public Schools are a Joke, Let them Fire bad teachers and have a reason to try and teach and things will Improve.
obama hasnt spent anything on education yet. how do you know he will blow it. I say that 10$ is better than no $. He isnt so corrupt as you think.
WTH did Obama come from? I'm talking about the school system thats in place and you seem to be fine with. I hope Obama dose inprove it But he wont. Its a faild system in need of a Overhaul. It had Noble Intent. But Like anything the government Keeps its hands in It is failing and will Continue to do so.
Edit and rember there are 2 of us ;p
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
Guess we have something in common after all Fisherman, Im retired as well.. State of New Jersey Law Enforcement. But you know the difference? Im happy with a mortgage paid, retirement bennies and seeing my kids grow. I don't need over 250k a year to achieve that. If you were able to check statistics, youd see law enforcement retire quite comfortably and are among the highest paid in the country. I make all the money Ill need until I die as I live plainly, like most americans. (not the small 250k+ minority). But the simple point is, Id like every american to get what I got. Good healthcare, decent education and enough food to eat. Im not for everyone getting plasma tvs and computer rigs like I sport. Just the basics which so many in this country do not have cause of corporate greed and bad social messages. I would gladly pay a 50% tax rate if I knew certain things were in place: Free healthcare for life for my entire family. Free college for my kids. Good infrastructure and roads that work. More mass transit/light rail. I don't mind democratic socialism. Unlike a capitalist, I think we all are better when no one needs. We would have a lot less crime without capitalist TV messages telling people to consume more and more. Its a no win. Sooner or later, someone is gonna come up to your house and bop you upside your head to get what you got. Spread the wealth. We all do better when we all live better.
If you don't mind democratic socialism, why not go where they offer that, instead of destroying THIS country?
You realize however that everywhere these things that you want exist. they are rapidly becoming bigger and bigger parts of those state's budgets and will someday destroy them? That's how socialism works. It looks good for a luttle while but it is doomed. That is what is destroying our system NOW, the more socialism we add the worse it gets, which leads to more socialism, which makes things worse, which eads to more socialism, which leads to more socialism, which makes things worse....until it blow up in our faces.
This is what is happening in country after country.
If you want to spread the wealth, GIVE. Don't take. That's wrong.
A capitalist is someone who doesn't BELIEVE in staling. A socialist is someone who believes in theft.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
ie governement sucks I disagree with any spending they do - this is how you think right?
No. Since government is force; it is best reserved for those things that we should properly use force to accomplish. Protection of liberty.
Whenever we try, even with the best of intentions, to use the force of government to "help" others, in the long run it fails and makes matters worse.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
ie governement sucks I disagree with any spending they do - this is how you think right?
No. Since government is force; it is best reserved for those things that we should properly use force to accomplish. Protection of liberty.
Whenever we try, even with the best of intentions, to use the force of government to "help" others, in the long run it fails and makes matters worse.
do you mind if I allocate some of my protection of liberty money to help people with health care and education... or is that the exact opposite of liberty in your opinion. Liberty means no taxes and we shuold only help ourselves??? Any tax allocation the government does is horrible and non-helpful??? <that is your opinion and I heard it more than enough over the last year.
bigger government means more help for the people in need, Im for that. If you complain that the government screws up when helping them, then yeah, I think you are just a cynist overall.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
ie governement sucks I disagree with any spending they do - this is how you think right?
No. Since government is force; it is best reserved for those things that we should properly use force to accomplish. Protection of liberty.
Whenever we try, even with the best of intentions, to use the force of government to "help" others, in the long run it fails and makes matters worse.
do you mind if I allocate some of my protection of liberty money to help people with health care and education... or is that the exact opposite of liberty in your opinion. Liberty means no taxes and we shuold only help ourselves??? Any tax allocation the government does is horrible and non-helpful??? <that is your opinion and I heard it more than enough over the last year.
As long as you do it without forcing others, it is fine. Help all the people you want. Don't use force to make others join you though. That is wrong and it fails.
I believe in limited government. Government should do what it is good at, not what it is not good at. It is NOT good at charity. It is not good at health care. It is on;y good at the things worth shooting people over.=, because that is what it is.
do you mind if I allocate some of my protection of liberty money to help people with health care and education... or is that the exact opposite of liberty in your opinion. Liberty means no taxes and we shuold only help ourselves??? Any tax allocation the government does is horrible and non-helpful??? <that is your opinion and I heard it more than enough over the last year.
Why would ever think that government would be the place to send your money to help people? Good god man. Didn't you notice the place is positivly overflowing with crooks? Maybe you would consider giving to a charity, or *gasp* doing something yourself to help someone other than shoveling someone elses cash at the problem and patting yourself on the back for "a job well done".
do you mind if I allocate some of my protection of liberty money to help people with health care and education... or is that the exact opposite of liberty in your opinion. Liberty means no taxes and we shuold only help ourselves??? Any tax allocation the government does is horrible and non-helpful??? <that is your opinion and I heard it more than enough over the last year.
Why would ever think that government would be the place to send your money to help people? Good god man. Didn't you notice the place is positivly overflowing with crooks? Maybe you would consider giving to a charity, or *gasp* doing something yourself to help someone other than shoveling someone elses cash at the problem and patting yourself on the back for "a job well done".
faith in america, I dunno... because taxes have worked in the past, because taxes have always been around and have always been a solution to funding programs/people in need
because Im not a cynic and I dont cry when 2 cents out of a dollar of my tax money doesnt do exactly what they say my taxes are doing...
because Im not a cynic and I dont cry when 2 cents out of a dollar of my tax money doesnt do exactly what they say my taxes are doing...
I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
Edit: I noticed your comment "Faith in America". Newsflash: America is it's people, not it's government.
because Im not a cynic and I dont cry when 2 cents out of a dollar of my tax money doesnt do exactly what they say my taxes are doing...
I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
because Im not a cynic and I dont cry when 2 cents out of a dollar of my tax money doesnt do exactly what they say my taxes are doing...
I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
And when what you think is helping is not, because that 2 cents you paid toward education or healthcare was just made worthless by an hospital or school administrator getting a nice pay raise?
because Im not a cynic and I dont cry when 2 cents out of a dollar of my tax money doesnt do exactly what they say my taxes are doing...
I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
And when what you think is helping is not, because that 2 cents you paid toward education or healthcare was just made worthless by an hospital or school administrator getting a nice pay raise?
For instance: 98 cents goes towards wha you wanted... health care and education for instance... 2 cents gets corrupted... no one knows exactly how all the tax will be allocated but I have enought faith in our system that we are actually reaching towards our goals.
because Im not a cynic and I dont cry when 2 cents out of a dollar of my tax money doesnt do exactly what they say my taxes are doing...
I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
And when what you think is helping is not, because that 2 cents you paid toward education or healthcare was just made worthless by an hospital or school administrator getting a nice pay raise?
For instance: 98 cents goes towards wha you wanted... health care and education for instance... 2 cents gets corrupted... no one knows exactly how all the tax will be allocated but I have enought faith in our system that we are actually reaching towards our goals.
So now you're giving the government the whole friggin' dollar?
And why does noone know exactly where all our tax money goes?
The government is accountable to the people. The people give the tax money. Therefore the government should be providing us with an itemized list and receipts.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
Ok, I don't understand this. I do understand the principle that competition can make private institutions perform better than public ones.
But if education was completely privatized, much of the population would not be able to afford it. How would it do our country or economy any good to suddenly have a generation that can't read? Education gives people life skills that they can use to improve themselves and their community, and makes them more valuable as workers, which can open up the opportunity for new types of industries to establish themselves. I would expect education greatly improves the economy of a country, and removing it would have very disastrous effects.
Maybe the people who could afford it would get a better education than we're getting now, but I would expect the net result to be negative. Besides, if we had no public schools, what would the children of poor parents do all day? Work in coal mines and textile mills like the old days?
I do not understand how anyone can be sure that one way of approaching the diverse problems a country may face is the best one. You keep repeating that free market is best at everything, and eventually you're not making decisions based on what works, but on what's free market. Maybe government intervention has failed you where free market has succeeded, but unless there's some cosmic entity making it so, where's the guarantee that's how it will always be? Having no medicine is better than bad medicine, but good medicine is better than no medicine.
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do you mind if I allocate some of my protection of liberty money to help people with health care and education... or is that the exact opposite of liberty in your opinion. Liberty means no taxes and we shuold only help ourselves??? Any tax allocation the government does is horrible and non-helpful??? <that is your opinion and I heard it more than enough over the last year.
Why would ever think that government would be the place to send your money to help people? Good god man. Didn't you notice the place is positivly overflowing with crooks? Maybe you would consider giving to a charity, or *gasp* doing something yourself to help someone other than shoveling someone elses cash at the problem and patting yourself on the back for "a job well done".
faith in america, I dunno... because taxes have worked in the past, because taxes have always been around and have always been a solution to funding programs/people in need
because Im not a cynic and I dont cry when 2 cents out of a dollar of my tax money doesnt do exactly what they say my taxes are doing...
No it is cynical to think you have to FORCE people to give. YOU are the cynic here.
because Im not a cynic and I dont cry when 2 cents out of a dollar of my tax money doesnt do exactly what they say my taxes are doing...
I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
I agree; so go help them -- no reason to put a gun p everyone else's head and FORCE them to help along with you.
because Im not a cynic and I dont cry when 2 cents out of a dollar of my tax money doesnt do exactly what they say my taxes are doing...
I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
And when what you think is helping is not, because that 2 cents you paid toward education or healthcare was just made worthless by an hospital or school administrator getting a nice pay raise?
For instance: 98 cents goes towards wha you wanted... health care and education for instance... 2 cents gets corrupted... no one knows exactly how all the tax will be allocated but I have enought faith in our system that we are actually reaching towards our goals.
You have faith in force but not in the people you are forcing.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
Ok, I don't understand this. I do understand the principle that competition can make private institutions perform better than public ones.
But if education was completely privatized, much of the population would not be able to afford it. How would it do our country or economy any good to suddenly have a generation that can't read? Education gives people life skills that they can use to improve themselves and their community, and makes them more valuable as workers, which can open up the opportunity for new types of industries to establish themselves. I would expect education greatly improves the economy of a country, and removing it would have very disastrous effects.
Maybe the people who could afford it would get a better education than we're getting now, but I would expect the net result to be negative. Besides, if we had no public schools, what would the children of poor parents do all day? Work in coal mines and textile mills like the old days?
I do not understand how anyone can be sure that one way of approaching the diverse problems a country may face is the best one. You keep repeating that free market is best at everything, and eventually you're not making decisions based on what works, but on what's free market. Maybe government intervention has failed you where free market has succeeded, but unless there's some cosmic entity making it so, where's the guarantee that's how it will always be? Having no medicine is better than bad medicine, but good medicine is better than no medicine.
I don't buy that. Is much of the public unable to buy food? The more we rely on markets, the CHEAPER things are, the MORE people are able to get them.
Force is never the best way to get things to the people -- that is why government fails. Why are provate schools so expensive? Because, like health care, the dominant force in the market is the government.
You ask for guarantees -- there ARE NONE. And government is no better guarantor than the market. Therefore, logic says go with the one that has a better record -=- the market.
That is my point, actually. It is a guarantee that the government will mess it up -- they already have -- no matter how much we spend.
Let us try the way that has always worked best in all times and all places -- let the people be free.
I don't buy that. Is much of the public unable to buy food? The more we rely on markets, the CHEAPER things are, the MORE people are able to get them. Force is never the best way to get things to the people -- that is why government fails. Why are provate schools so expensive? Because, like health care, the dominant force in the market is the government. You ask for guarantees -- there ARE NONE. And government is no better guarantor than the market. Therefore, logic says go with the one that has a better record -=- the market. That is my point, actually. It is a guarantee that the government will mess it up -- they already have -- no matter how much we spend. Let us try the way that has always worked best in all times and all places -- let the people be free.
Food is heavily subsidized, in many ways. There are also safety nets to prevent people from starving. There's enough extra food around that a huge amount of discarded food can be scavenged in a pinch. Even so, plenty of people have trouble maintaining optimal nutrition.
Education is a very different commodity though. It's not essential to immediate survival, so it's more likely to be neglected for short term gain, and it can't be stolen or scavenged (at least not usually). I'm not to clear on the history, but before the public school system, do you think literacy was higher then than it is now? I doubt it. I seem to recall child labor being rather common at some points.
I'd like to go back to my metaphor of medicine. The human immune system has a much, MUCH better record than any sort of artificial medicine. Does that mean we should abandon its study and practice? Get rid of all the doctors and hospitals, since our natural immune system is better?
Usually it's best to just let the body do it's thing, but once in awhile, it messes up and you see the opportunity to set it back on the right track. You take that opportunity, right?
I do not think it's logical to always go with the better record. Where in life is repeating a mantra and always reacting to diverse situations the same way helpful? Isn't it better to gather information about each individual situation and make a rational decision based on the particulars? Make decisions based on the future, not the past.
What DO you think the role of the government is, and why shouldn't that be privatized as well?
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Well, actually he's America's first half-white president.
I'm an optimist. The glass is half full.
Last time i checked. Your Race is Determined by your MOTHER So Obama is White and Half black. Unless his mom is also part black...
Woahhhhh where the heck did you hear that?
Was told that by a Highschool Principal. He showed me and my half asian friend it in some government book.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
Lol No but you could Tie the money to the Child and let the parrents Decide where to send them. Its working in some European Countries right now.
Im not complaining that were spending so mutch on them Im complaining about HOW its spent. Public Schools are a Joke, Let them Fire bad teachers and have a reason to try and teach and things will Improve.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
Lol No but you could Tie the money to the Child and let the parrents Decide where to send them. Its working in some European Countries right now.
Im not complaining that were spending so mutch on them Im complaining about HOW its spent. Public Schools are a Joke, Let them Fire bad teachers and have a reason to try and teach and things will Improve.
obama hasnt spent anything on education yet. how do you know he will blow it. I say that 10$ is better than no $. He isnt so corrupt as you think.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
Lol No but you could Tie the money to the Child and let the parrents Decide where to send them. Its working in some European Countries right now.
Im not complaining that were spending so mutch on them Im complaining about HOW its spent. Public Schools are a Joke, Let them Fire bad teachers and have a reason to try and teach and things will Improve.
obama hasnt spent anything on education yet. how do you know he will blow it. I say that 10$ is better than no $. He isnt so corrupt as you think.
He will blow it because everyone else has -- it's socilaism that will fail Obama. It's not his fault. It's a bad system.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
ie governement sucks I disagree with any spending they do - this is how you think right?
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
Lol No but you could Tie the money to the Child and let the parrents Decide where to send them. Its working in some European Countries right now.
Im not complaining that were spending so mutch on them Im complaining about HOW its spent. Public Schools are a Joke, Let them Fire bad teachers and have a reason to try and teach and things will Improve.
obama hasnt spent anything on education yet. how do you know he will blow it. I say that 10$ is better than no $. He isnt so corrupt as you think.
WTH did Obama come from? I'm talking about the school system thats in place and you seem to be fine with. I hope Obama dose inprove it But he wont. Its a faild system in need of a Overhaul. It had Noble Intent. But Like anything the government Keeps its hands in It is failing and will Continue to do so.
Edit and rember there are 2 of us ;p
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
If you don't mind democratic socialism, why not go where they offer that, instead of destroying THIS country?
You realize however that everywhere these things that you want exist. they are rapidly becoming bigger and bigger parts of those state's budgets and will someday destroy them? That's how socialism works. It looks good for a luttle while but it is doomed. That is what is destroying our system NOW, the more socialism we add the worse it gets, which leads to more socialism, which makes things worse, which eads to more socialism, which leads to more socialism, which makes things worse....until it blow up in our faces.
This is what is happening in country after country.
If you want to spread the wealth, GIVE. Don't take. That's wrong.
A capitalist is someone who doesn't BELIEVE in staling. A socialist is someone who believes in theft.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
ie governement sucks I disagree with any spending they do - this is how you think right?
No. Since government is force; it is best reserved for those things that we should properly use force to accomplish. Protection of liberty.
Whenever we try, even with the best of intentions, to use the force of government to "help" others, in the long run it fails and makes matters worse.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
ie governement sucks I disagree with any spending they do - this is how you think right?
No. Since government is force; it is best reserved for those things that we should properly use force to accomplish. Protection of liberty.
Whenever we try, even with the best of intentions, to use the force of government to "help" others, in the long run it fails and makes matters worse.
do you mind if I allocate some of my protection of liberty money to help people with health care and education... or is that the exact opposite of liberty in your opinion. Liberty means no taxes and we shuold only help ourselves??? Any tax allocation the government does is horrible and non-helpful??? <that is your opinion and I heard it more than enough over the last year.
Bigger government means more people in need, and then bigger government to supposedly help them which just creates more people in need, which leads to more government supposedly to help them which leads to more people in need....
If you want to help people why not just help them, instead of creating a bureacracy that makes matters worse? Why do you need to use the guns of state to confiscate money from one group to another.
I'm not the least but cynical -- in fact, I am the one with faith in people and YOU are counting on guns and force because YOU are the cynic and do not believe people will help one anotther voluntarily, and need to be forced to do so.
I will make sure to turn the other cheek if you ever get hit by a car on the road. Helping people is universal healthcare and better education believ it or not LOL
I guess you don't REALLY believe in helping people then, and just want to pretend you are helping people by advocating bigger government to assuage your guilt for not really wanting to help people. I would rather just help people.
Helping people is getting the state out of health care and education. The longer you study this the more you will come to see this believe it or not.
YES NO HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION IS HELPING PEOPLE. IM SORRY BUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT
If you think the American School system is helping people then your the Idiot here. #1 in cash spent per child and 18th and falling in grades... Glad this is working for you.
and we shouldnt pay more to help kids with education because???????
because its not working right now. not a good enough reason.
because education is something that government is not very good at, and it is best left to the market, which will deliver it better and at a lower cost -- AND most important won't raise the ignorant little socialist 'bots it is currently producing.
If you want people to have a better education -- GIVE THEM ONE. No reason to force others into your plan. Plus, every year we have increased the money for education and it hasn't made it better yet.
ie governement sucks I disagree with any spending they do - this is how you think right?
No. Since government is force; it is best reserved for those things that we should properly use force to accomplish. Protection of liberty.
Whenever we try, even with the best of intentions, to use the force of government to "help" others, in the long run it fails and makes matters worse.
do you mind if I allocate some of my protection of liberty money to help people with health care and education... or is that the exact opposite of liberty in your opinion. Liberty means no taxes and we shuold only help ourselves??? Any tax allocation the government does is horrible and non-helpful??? <that is your opinion and I heard it more than enough over the last year.
As long as you do it without forcing others, it is fine. Help all the people you want. Don't use force to make others join you though. That is wrong and it fails.
I believe in limited government. Government should do what it is good at, not what it is not good at. It is NOT good at charity. It is not good at health care. It is on;y good at the things worth shooting people over.=, because that is what it is.
As you grow you will come to see this.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Why would ever think that government would be the place to send your money to help people? Good god man. Didn't you notice the place is positivly overflowing with crooks? Maybe you would consider giving to a charity, or *gasp* doing something yourself to help someone other than shoveling someone elses cash at the problem and patting yourself on the back for "a job well done".
Why would ever think that government would be the place to send your money to help people? Good god man. Didn't you notice the place is positivly overflowing with crooks? Maybe you would consider giving to a charity, or *gasp* doing something yourself to help someone other than shoveling someone elses cash at the problem and patting yourself on the back for "a job well done".
faith in america, I dunno... because taxes have worked in the past, because taxes have always been around and have always been a solution to funding programs/people in need
because Im not a cynic and I dont cry when 2 cents out of a dollar of my tax money doesnt do exactly what they say my taxes are doing...
I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
Edit: I noticed your comment "Faith in America". Newsflash: America is it's people, not it's government.
I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
And when what you think is helping is not, because that 2 cents you paid toward education or healthcare was just made worthless by an hospital or school administrator getting a nice pay raise?
I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
And when what you think is helping is not, because that 2 cents you paid toward education or healthcare was just made worthless by an hospital or school administrator getting a nice pay raise?
For instance: 98 cents goes towards wha you wanted... health care and education for instance... 2 cents gets corrupted... no one knows exactly how all the tax will be allocated but I have enought faith in our system that we are actually reaching towards our goals.
Ah yes. Faith. Its a wonderful thing, as long as you're able to sustain it...
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I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
And when what you think is helping is not, because that 2 cents you paid toward education or healthcare was just made worthless by an hospital or school administrator getting a nice pay raise?
For instance: 98 cents goes towards wha you wanted... health care and education for instance... 2 cents gets corrupted... no one knows exactly how all the tax will be allocated but I have enought faith in our system that we are actually reaching towards our goals.
So now you're giving the government the whole friggin' dollar?
And why does noone know exactly where all our tax money goes?
The government is accountable to the people. The people give the tax money. Therefore the government should be providing us with an itemized list and receipts.
Ok, I don't understand this. I do understand the principle that competition can make private institutions perform better than public ones.
But if education was completely privatized, much of the population would not be able to afford it. How would it do our country or economy any good to suddenly have a generation that can't read? Education gives people life skills that they can use to improve themselves and their community, and makes them more valuable as workers, which can open up the opportunity for new types of industries to establish themselves. I would expect education greatly improves the economy of a country, and removing it would have very disastrous effects.
Maybe the people who could afford it would get a better education than we're getting now, but I would expect the net result to be negative. Besides, if we had no public schools, what would the children of poor parents do all day? Work in coal mines and textile mills like the old days?
I do not understand how anyone can be sure that one way of approaching the diverse problems a country may face is the best one. You keep repeating that free market is best at everything, and eventually you're not making decisions based on what works, but on what's free market. Maybe government intervention has failed you where free market has succeeded, but unless there's some cosmic entity making it so, where's the guarantee that's how it will always be? Having no medicine is better than bad medicine, but good medicine is better than no medicine.
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Why would ever think that government would be the place to send your money to help people? Good god man. Didn't you notice the place is positivly overflowing with crooks? Maybe you would consider giving to a charity, or *gasp* doing something yourself to help someone other than shoveling someone elses cash at the problem and patting yourself on the back for "a job well done".
faith in america, I dunno... because taxes have worked in the past, because taxes have always been around and have always been a solution to funding programs/people in need
because Im not a cynic and I dont cry when 2 cents out of a dollar of my tax money doesnt do exactly what they say my taxes are doing...
No it is cynical to think you have to FORCE people to give. YOU are the cynic here.
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I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
I agree; so go help them -- no reason to put a gun p everyone else's head and FORCE them to help along with you.
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I don't know. I pretty much prefer that agreements made in written contracts be adhered to. Guess what? When the government writes out what your tax money goes for, and then allocates it to something else entirely, they've breached that contract.
it's better to help someone and lose 2 cents than not help anyone at all.
And when what you think is helping is not, because that 2 cents you paid toward education or healthcare was just made worthless by an hospital or school administrator getting a nice pay raise?
For instance: 98 cents goes towards wha you wanted... health care and education for instance... 2 cents gets corrupted... no one knows exactly how all the tax will be allocated but I have enought faith in our system that we are actually reaching towards our goals.
You have faith in force but not in the people you are forcing.
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Ok, I don't understand this. I do understand the principle that competition can make private institutions perform better than public ones.
But if education was completely privatized, much of the population would not be able to afford it. How would it do our country or economy any good to suddenly have a generation that can't read? Education gives people life skills that they can use to improve themselves and their community, and makes them more valuable as workers, which can open up the opportunity for new types of industries to establish themselves. I would expect education greatly improves the economy of a country, and removing it would have very disastrous effects.
Maybe the people who could afford it would get a better education than we're getting now, but I would expect the net result to be negative. Besides, if we had no public schools, what would the children of poor parents do all day? Work in coal mines and textile mills like the old days?
I do not understand how anyone can be sure that one way of approaching the diverse problems a country may face is the best one. You keep repeating that free market is best at everything, and eventually you're not making decisions based on what works, but on what's free market. Maybe government intervention has failed you where free market has succeeded, but unless there's some cosmic entity making it so, where's the guarantee that's how it will always be? Having no medicine is better than bad medicine, but good medicine is better than no medicine.
I don't buy that. Is much of the public unable to buy food? The more we rely on markets, the CHEAPER things are, the MORE people are able to get them.
Force is never the best way to get things to the people -- that is why government fails. Why are provate schools so expensive? Because, like health care, the dominant force in the market is the government.
You ask for guarantees -- there ARE NONE. And government is no better guarantor than the market. Therefore, logic says go with the one that has a better record -=- the market.
That is my point, actually. It is a guarantee that the government will mess it up -- they already have -- no matter how much we spend.
Let us try the way that has always worked best in all times and all places -- let the people be free.
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Food is heavily subsidized, in many ways. There are also safety nets to prevent people from starving. There's enough extra food around that a huge amount of discarded food can be scavenged in a pinch. Even so, plenty of people have trouble maintaining optimal nutrition.
Education is a very different commodity though. It's not essential to immediate survival, so it's more likely to be neglected for short term gain, and it can't be stolen or scavenged (at least not usually). I'm not to clear on the history, but before the public school system, do you think literacy was higher then than it is now? I doubt it. I seem to recall child labor being rather common at some points.
I'd like to go back to my metaphor of medicine. The human immune system has a much, MUCH better record than any sort of artificial medicine. Does that mean we should abandon its study and practice? Get rid of all the doctors and hospitals, since our natural immune system is better?
Usually it's best to just let the body do it's thing, but once in awhile, it messes up and you see the opportunity to set it back on the right track. You take that opportunity, right?
I do not think it's logical to always go with the better record. Where in life is repeating a mantra and always reacting to diverse situations the same way helpful? Isn't it better to gather information about each individual situation and make a rational decision based on the particulars? Make decisions based on the future, not the past.
What DO you think the role of the government is, and why shouldn't that be privatized as well?
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